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« 2019-Nov-20, 09:56 PM Reply #375 »
...and your answer to my question is.......more obfuscation.

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« 2019-Nov-20, 10:09 PM Reply #376 »
...and your answer to my question is.......more obfuscation.

Do you want me to spell it out for you Peterís Pen.

The ABC should be facing questions why it took so long to report the cruelty. It should be part of any inquiry.

Racing NSWís misleading statement based on ignorance and negligence should be subject to the same inquiry.

I am impartial and letís go after the truth and if jail time comes out of it I can live with that.

At the end of the day, the report exposed cruelty at the abattoirs and negligence on part of the Racing bodies on horses sent to Abattoirs or lack of investigations. Non reporting is cruel too.

Donít you want the real truth and have all cover ups exposed PP or ďcanít you handle the truthĒ?


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« 2019-Nov-20, 10:11 PM Reply #377 »
I think you are grossly overstating any role Racing NSW has in what was uncovered in the Four Corners program.

Even the program itself did not accuse Racing NSW of a lot of the stuff you are saying.

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« 2019-Nov-20, 10:19 PM Reply #378 »
Below was the follow up that was posted by quite a few posters so not sure why you are saying that I am accusing Racing NSW when there is a contradiction of their statements.

My view has never changed. Accountability for all involved.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/racing-nsw-told-about-prohibited-thoroughbred-sales-2018-emails/11633132?pfmredir=sm

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« 2019-Nov-21, 09:12 AM Reply #379 »
Do you want me to spell it out for you Peterís Pen.

The ABC should be facing questions why it took so long to report the cruelty. It should be part of any inquiry.

Racing NSWís misleading statement based on ignorance and negligence should be subject to the same inquiry.

I am impartial and letís go after the truth and if jail time comes out of it I can live with that.

At the end of the day, the report exposed cruelty at the abattoirs and negligence on part of the Racing bodies on horses sent to Abattoirs or lack of investigations. Non reporting is cruel too.

Donít you want the real truth and have all cover ups exposed PP or ďcanít you handle the truthĒ?

I must say itís finally good to hear that from someone🍾.....unless I missed it previously, which is possible

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« 2019-Nov-21, 10:50 PM Reply #380 »
Haven't seen anything from RNSW on the Hardwicke Stud expose sending unwanted stock to the knackery you would think they've checked the story out and if substantiated apply the rules.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2019-Nov-22, 09:54 AM Reply #381 »
Haven't seen anything from RNSW on the Hardwicke Stud expose sending unwanted stock to the knackery you would think they've checked the story out and if substantiated apply the rules.

Giddy Up :beer:


Hardwicke Stud denied "sending unwanted stock to the knackery" a few weeks ago

Drought forced Hardwicke Stud to give their horses away

The Hardwicke Stud says the drought has hit their business so hard they've been forced to give away their horses.

That led to them getting caught up in an ABC investigation into the slaughter of racehorses.

A representative of the Yass stud said they were devastated by the footage and the fact their horses ended up getting killed in a Queensland abattoir.

They denied sending their horses there. Instead it was ones they'd been forced to give away.

An ABC 7.30 report claimed thousands of racehorses were being slaughtered every year for pet and human food.

It's against Racing NSW and Canberra Racing's rules for any horse to be sent to an abattoir or knackery.

The racing industry have said less than one per cent of the 8500 horses that retire every year end up being slaughtered.

Hardwicke Stud was one of a number of studs named in the report whose horses had been killed at the Queensland abattoir.

"We're caught in the middle of a drought," the Hardwicke representative said.

"Basically the market for the middle and lower end of the market for thoroughbreds collapsed last year, and feed prices doubled.

"For about three or four months we kept on feeding them and tried to find as many homes as possible.

"At the end we were giving them away and unfortunately some of them found their way to the abattoir.

"Because of the drought and other circumstances we got out of breeding horses.

"Our options were give them away or destroy them on the place. Neither of them are particularly pleasant choices."

They said older horses could survive tougher conditions, but young horses simply died.

It forced them to give away yearlings worth up to $10,000, ruining their business in the process.

To then see their horses treated the way they were on the report compounded their misery.

"Financially it was disastrous for us. These are the consequences of a drought," they said.

"We have been feeling terrible about this even before we knew they'd gone to an abattoir. It was devastating."


https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6446224/drought-forced-hardwicke-stud-to-give-their-horses-away/

Of course we live in the Age Of Social Media where someone can deny something and the trolls will still just propagate fake news.

Drought affects horse studs as much as it affects other areas of farming.

Of course if you are a rich little ABC reporter living on the North Shore of Sydney who is after a Walkley award the drought is just some material you can use on your next Climate Change story.

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« 2019-Nov-22, 10:00 AM Reply #382 »
I must say itís finally good to hear that from someone🍾.....unless I missed it previously, which is possible

It was like extracting a tooth!!

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« 2019-Nov-22, 10:19 AM Reply #383 »
Below was the follow up that was posted by quite a few posters so not sure why you are saying that I am accusing Racing NSW when there is a contradiction of their statements.

My view has never changed. Accountability for all involved.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/racing-nsw-told-about-prohibited-thoroughbred-sales-2018-emails/11633132?pfmredir=sm

That is real picky that is.

And can I point out the obvious exaggeration

Note the use of the plural - thoroughbreds

There are growing calls for a royal commission into the racing industry after the ABC revealed emails proving Racing NSW was told more than a year ago about the unauthorised sale of thoroughbreds for slaughter at a livestock auction in Camden, NSW.

Then we go to singular

But former trainer Sandra Jorgensen said she reported to Racing NSW in mid-2018 the sale of a branded, one-eyed filly at Camden to a business run by a killbuyer

The subsequent calls for a Royal Commission based on this single event are laughable.

It is a horrible story. And the person at the abattoir who wouldn't sell the filly back is deserving of some form of punishment.

But the over-reach is just out of all proportion. It is one case.

When compared to "God knows how many" extra horses suffered because of the inaction of the ABC, it is trivial.


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« 2019-Nov-22, 11:03 AM Reply #384 »
I don't think there could be anyone who could look any sillier on this topic other than you PPP7.

Up until page 14 on this thread you are talking about only 9 NSW thoroughbreds found at Meramist.

Then you produce a statement from Hardwicke Stud (NSW) that shows that's where all their unwanted stock ended up.......yearlings too! ......are you really trying to support your argument here  :what:

The only thing anyone could take from the fact that there was a penful of Hardwicke stock at Meramist together is that they had been given away together..... to a kill buyer.

Please note Hardwicke Stud "was among a number of studs named in the report"

I hope you also noted the part about the market for the middle and lower thoroughbreds collapsing .......just more evidence about way too many thoroughbreds being produced.
This is the huge problem for the racing industry........like the 7.30 report said "industrial scale"

Please don't make me repeat the horses names again that went through Camden.......nothing singular about it.

I'm fully aware of just how devastating the drought is .......so no lectures on that!
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« 2019-Nov-22, 11:25 AM Reply #385 »
In excess of 100 horses going through the Echuca sales today. Probably heading to the doggers.

Whereís the outrage with that?
Will the ABC stay silent?

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« 2019-Nov-22, 11:56 AM Reply #386 »
It's a horse sale Wily.......nothing outrageous about that .......is there?

I only counted 93 so I'm glad you are not my accountant   :lol:

5 thoroughbreds......all mares and a couple of standardbreds.

Buyers aren't named but the price will generally give you an idea where they've gone.


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« 2019-Nov-22, 12:22 PM Reply #387 »
It's a horse sale Wily.......nothing outrageous about that .......is there?

Well, given they're going to the doggers I would suggest there is a story there but wether that story has enough for the outrage mob........................im not sure :chin:

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« 2019-Nov-22, 01:08 PM Reply #388 »
Well, given they're going to the doggers I would suggest there is a story there but wether that story has enough for the outrage mob........................im not sure :chin:

There will be no "feigned outrage" because it doesn't give them anything to bag Racing NSW about - although I'm sure they'll try and try and twist it that way.

On the actual program the head of Harness Racing NSW was really caught out about promises made regarding standard bred retirements.

But has Jeunes or nemesis even mentioned that part? Of course not. Not once. The program to them presents an opportunity to feign outrage to get at their enemy. They couldn't give a stuff about horse welfare. Neither can the ABC.

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« 2019-Nov-22, 01:13 PM Reply #389 »
I don't think there could be anyone who could look any sillier on this topic other than you PPP7.

Up until page 14 on this thread you are talking about only 9 NSW thoroughbreds found at Meramist.

Then you produce a statement from Hardwicke Stud (NSW) that shows that's where all their unwanted stock ended up.......yearlings too! ......are you really trying to support your argument here  :what:

The only thing anyone could take from the fact that there was a penful of Hardwicke stock at Meramist together is that they had been given away together..... to a kill buyer.

Please note Hardwicke Stud "was among a number of studs named in the report"

I hope you also noted the part about the market for the middle and lower thoroughbreds collapsing .......just more evidence about way too many thoroughbreds being produced.
This is the huge problem for the racing industry........like the 7.30 report said "industrial scale"

Please don't make me repeat the horses names again that went through Camden.......nothing singular about it.

I'm fully aware of just how devastating the drought is .......so no lectures on that!

There is only two P's in PP7.

Twisting the facts yet again I see.

There are so many holes in your post I couldn't be bothered. You have been discredited to the point one can only assume anything you post on this subject is complete and utter bullshit - driven by blind hatred of one man.


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« 2019-Nov-22, 01:38 PM Reply #390 »
That is real picky that is.

And can I point out the obvious exaggeration

Note the use of the plural - thoroughbreds

There are growing calls for a royal commission into the racing industry after the ABC revealed emails proving Racing NSW was told more than a year ago about the unauthorised sale of thoroughbreds for slaughter at a livestock auction in Camden, NSW.

Then we go to singular

But former trainer Sandra Jorgensen said she reported to Racing NSW in mid-2018 the sale of a branded, one-eyed filly at Camden to a business run by a killbuyer

The subsequent calls for a Royal Commission based on this single event are laughable.

It is a horrible story. And the person at the abattoir who wouldn't sell the filly back is deserving of some form of punishment.

But the over-reach is just out of all proportion. It is one case.

When compared to "God knows how many" extra horses suffered because of the inaction of the ABC, it is trivial.
I'm happy to rest my case if you desist in posting here.....this is a subject you have not thought about .......ever!



For the most prolific poster on a subject about horse slaughter you don't even know the difference between an abattoir and a knackery.

Save your outrage for an industry that allows it's yearlings, broodmares and slow stock to end up in that hell hole called Meramist (abattoir)
Doesn't even meet the first regulation about horse slaughter (horses witnessing the killing)....to my understanding.

Burn's Pet Foods (knackery) are under no obligation to sell back the filly......she shouldn't have been there in the first place......what punishment does PPP7 have in mind?..... you don't have to answer!.......nor thank me for a bit of education.
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« 2019-Nov-22, 01:53 PM Reply #391 »
......what punishment does PPP7 have in mind?..... you don't have to answer!.......nor thank me for a bit of education.

Well thank the Lord F. Christ for that.

That froth coming out of your mouth must be clouding the screen - you are still putting three P's in my name.

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« 2019-Nov-22, 02:42 PM Reply #392 »
Well thank the Lord F. Christ for that.

That froth coming out of your mouth must be clouding the screen - you are still putting three P's in my name.
You've got nothing ....have you? PPP7

If you modify your abattoir \ knackery blunder it will just be our secret.

On the basis I don't contribute to your NSW Provincial tips because I don't know anything about it......maybe let that apply to yourself here.

If you start a thread about the level of gloss P V'Landys' likes on his boots, I promise I will take your word for it.  :bye:

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« 2019-Nov-22, 05:00 PM Reply #393 »
You've got nothing ....have you? PPP7

If you modify your abattoir \ knackery blunder it will just be our secret.

On the basis I don't contribute to your NSW Provincial tips because I don't know anything about it......maybe let that apply to yourself here.

If you start a thread about the level of gloss P V'Landys' likes on his boots, I promise I will take your word for it.  :bye:

OK. Replace this sentence

It is a horrible story. And the person at the abattoir who wouldn't sell the filly back is deserving of some form of punishment.

With this

It is a horrible story. And the person at the abattoir knackery who wouldn't sell the filly back is deserving of some form of punishment.

Is that really the best you can do?

Geez I must be way ahead in this argument if you are trawling through the garbage to get at me - not dissimilar to your agreeing for a call for a Royal Commission over a single incident.

Quit while you are only a little bit behind.........



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« 2019-Nov-22, 05:54 PM Reply #394 »
There will be no "feigned outrage" because it doesn't give them anything to bag Racing NSW about - although I'm sure they'll try and try and twist it that way.

On the actual program the head of Harness Racing NSW was really caught out about promises made regarding standard bred retirements.

But has Jeunes or nemesis even mentioned that part? Of course not. Not once. The program to them presents an opportunity to feign outrage to get at their enemy. They couldn't give a stuff about horse welfare. Neither can the ABC.

Here we go again from Peterís Pen.

How about answering a simple question was Racing NSW lying when they said they did not know about Camden sales selling thoroughbreds when they already replied to an email regarding this issue.

Címon Peterís Pen, please answer it.

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« 2019-Nov-22, 08:03 PM Reply #395 »
Jeunes, what are your thoughts on todayís Echuca thoroughbred sales?

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« 2019-Nov-22, 08:17 PM Reply #396 »
Jeunes, what are your thoughts on todayís Echuca thoroughbred sales?

Action should be taken if they are being sold to an abattoir.

Racing bodies cannot sit by and continue to close itís eyes to this issue. The ABC report brought it to the forefront and unfortunately lack of attention will mean in a few months, any follow up reports from any media will hit the industry hard again.

When we have people like Peterís Pen refusing to acknowledge misleading statements by Racing NSW but claims to hate cruelty, shows why animal activists have a field day.

That is the hypocrisy of racing as we have too many people not acknowledging mistakes which makes it easier for those opposing Racing.

Will there be a common approach by Racing bodies in handling this issue. Chances are no as we have too many vested interests.

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« 2019-Nov-22, 08:19 PM Reply #397 »
WOD, do you think Racing NSW misled in itís statement that it knew nothing about the Camden Sales when it previously sent an email acknowledging the racehorse that was sold there?

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« 2019-Nov-22, 08:40 PM Reply #398 »
I wouldnít know mate but what I do know is that of all the poor horses being traded through knackerys etc, bugger all are thoroughbreds but thereís no story in that

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« 2019-Nov-22, 08:49 PM Reply #399 »
I wouldnít know mate but what I do know is that of all the poor horses being traded through knackerys etc, bugger all are thoroughbreds but thereís no story in that

Exactly.

Anyone genuinely concerned about horses would be address this.

Standardbreds were covered in the story but those with an obsession about Racing NSW have turned it into a Peter V'Landy's pile on and the central message that horse lovers want to get across is lost in the politics.


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