Author Topic: The Final Race 7.30 (Read 18256 times)

Jeunes · « 2019-Nov-22, 08:54 PM **Reply #400** »

Quote from: Jeunes on 2019-Nov-22, 05:54 PM

Here we go again from Peter’s Pen.

How about answering a simple question was Racing NSW lying when they said they did not know about Camden sales selling thoroughbreds when they already replied to an email regarding this issue.

C’mon Peter’s Pen, please answer it.

Still waiting....

PoisonPen7 · « 2019-Nov-22, 09:09 PM **Reply #401** »

I answered it already

Quote from: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Nov-22, 10:19 AM

That is real picky that is.

And can I point out the obvious exaggeration

Note the use of the plural - thoroughbreds

There are growing calls for a royal commission into the racing industry after the ABC revealed emails proving Racing NSW was told more than a year ago about the unauthorised sale of thoroughbreds for slaughter at a livestock auction in Camden, NSW.

Then we go to singular

But former trainer Sandra Jorgensen said she reported to Racing NSW in mid-2018 the sale of a branded, one-eyed filly at Camden to a business run by a killbuyer

The subsequent calls for a Royal Commission based on this single event are laughable.

It is a horrible story. And the person at the abattoir who wouldn't sell the filly back is deserving of some form of punishment.

But the over-reach is just out of all proportion. It is one case.

When compared to "God knows how many" extra horses suffered because of the inaction of the ABC, it is trivial.

Trivial nitpicking.

No-one was lying. There was a mix up with the name of two companies who had the same name. Totally plausible.

And certainly not worth paying lawyers hundreds of thousands of dollars for a Royal Commission over one horse.

Your contention that there needs to be some sort of reparations over a single horse is bordering on the absurd.

Perhaps you, like Mehreen Faruqi in that link you posted, think we should have an RC every time someone is accused of lying.

Retrospectively perhaps we should have an RC into Julia Gillard telling us there would be no Carbon Tax on a government she would lead.

Ridiculous suggestion.

Jeunes · « 2019-Nov-23, 05:40 AM **Reply #402** »

Quote from: PoisonPen7 on 2019-Nov-22, 09:09 PM

I answered it already

Trivial nitpicking.

No-one was lying. There was a mix up with the name of two companies who had the same name. Totally plausible.

And certainly not worth paying lawyers hundreds of thousands of dollars for a Royal Commission over one horse.

Your contention that there needs to be some sort of reparations over a single horse is bordering on the absurd.

Perhaps you, like Mehreen Faruqi in that link you posted, think we should have an RC every time someone is accused of lying.

Retrospectively perhaps we should have an RC into Julia Gillard telling us there would be no Carbon Tax on a government she would lead.

Ridiculous suggestion.

Again not dealing with the issue. Camden sales were advised but not looked into. It was an omission of fact to paint Racing NSW in the best light possible.

Yes, let’s have an inquiry into Julia if you want to bring politics into it. Maybe we should also do an inquiry into the “ children overboard” saga too.

I think you maybe the type who is still annoyed about the RC into Banking industry and also the investigations into the church. I fervently hope not as you seem a decent person even though you seem to like Peter too much.

Let’s get an inquiry into the horses etc. Act on any recommendations and go back to punting. This way we can stand up for our sport. Greyhound racing had severe pain before it could move on. Transparency is the key.

napes · « 2019-Nov-23, 10:39 AM **Reply #403** »

Yeah great way to create transparency, pay a million lawyers a shitload of money!!

Spend millions on arguing about horses and then adjourn for a steak lunch.

How about spending some money on educating the dribblers where their food comes from.

Do the maths on the amount of carbon produced by keeping thousands of horses alive for 20+ years.

Educate people on the food chain. Are their dogs and cats vegan?

Why hasn't the ABC done an expose on hunting or fishing?

Why is it ok to cull feral horses from the air? Why are they less worthy of your outrage, because they have never been named?

Lets point out the blatant hypocrisy of these people attacking racing instead of falling over and giving up.

nemisis · « 2019-Nov-23, 11:55 AM **Reply #404** »

You can educate away Napes.

What have we learned so far......we know that the beef, lamb, pork and racing industries send their yearlings to slaughter......safe to call them meat industries.
We also know that breeding stock and unwanted stock from all of the above go to slaughter as well......no difference.

The obvious problem here that only the CEO's of both NSW and Victoria racing industry use words like " there is a home for every horse" and " we need to find a home for"
Why do they speak in this language?........well the answer is obvious!

That's the lack of transparency that's been exposed.

A Racing Royal Commission would end up like most RC's........ expensive and accomplish very little.

wily ole dog · « 2019-Nov-23, 06:45 PM **Reply #405** »

No Nem, they speak in those all compassing phrases as it’s 2019 and they have to to cover their arses from the narks which have taken over our society.
It’s the era of the “gotcha” moment and this is a result of it

It’s time for people to stand their ground and tell these holier than thou

to ferk off

PoisonPen7 · « 2019-Nov-24, 07:58 AM **Reply #406** »

Quote from: nemisis on 2019-Nov-23, 11:55 AM

A Racing Royal Commission would end up like most RC's........ expensive and accomplish very little.

Well we agree on something!!

From that Jeunes link looks like the Senator has other ideas

NSW Senator Mehreen Faruqi has told the ABC the emails are "absolutely damning".

"The industry is completely unaccountable and not transparent at all," Senator Faruqi said.

"The self-regulation of the industry has to end today.

"Now is the time to dig deeper in this industry, now is the time to set up a royal commission, to expose this industry and see what it actually says and what it actually does are two different things."

The industry is "completely unaccountable" and "not transparent at all"???

Which industry is she talking about? Politics??

You'd think someone with a Civil Engineering degree with a Masters in Engineering Science would think more like an engineer instead of some woke virtue signaller advocating a big pay day yet again for lawyers.

PoisonPen7 · « 2019-Nov-24, 08:02 AM **Reply #407** »

Mind you if they ever had a Royal Commission there is only really one choice for Commissioner.

This lady moves in the right circles and could use her partner as unofficial counsel for matters she might need to be abreast of.

And I know she would get unanimous support from all those who contribute to this forum

Jeunes · « 2019-Nov-29, 06:43 AM **Reply #408** »

The power of social media. It can never be underrated.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/couple-charged-with-animal-cruelty-after-footage-caught-them-dragging-horse/news-story/cbda889ec2edb60f18f93389fb494d0c

wily ole dog · « 2019-Nov-29, 07:59 AM **Reply #409** »

Quote from: Jeunes on 2019-Nov-29, 06:43 AM

The power of social media. It can never be underrated.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/couple-charged-with-animal-cruelty-after-footage-caught-them-dragging-horse/news-story/cbda889ec2edb60f18f93389fb494d0c

Stand by for someone to blame PV, racing nsw and us horse owners for that. We’re all evil

Shogun Lodge · « 2019-Nov-29, 04:23 PM **Reply #410** »

So can anyone here tell me the answer to this question..?
What percentage of the 14000 odd thoroughbreds born every year make it to age 15?
All you apologists never wanna go near that one.
Just checking how blinkered your views really are....

Jeunes · « 2019-Nov-29, 04:34 PM **Reply #411** »

Quote from: wily ole dog on 2019-Nov-29, 07:59 AM

Stand by for someone to blame PV, racing nsw and us horse owners for that. We’re all evil

Why?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

wily ole dog · « 2019-Nov-30, 07:19 AM **Reply #412** »

Quote from: Shogun Lodge on 2019-Nov-29, 04:23 PM

So can anyone here tell me the answer to this question..?
What percentage of the 14000 odd thoroughbreds born every year make it to age 15?
All you apologists never wanna go near that one.
Just checking how blinkered your views really are....

Shogie, do you know the answer?
I don’t

napes · « 2019-Dec-02, 09:10 AM **Reply #413** »

Can anyone tell me how many dogs, cats, cows, sheep, pigs, non-thoroughbred horses or any other animal get to 15?

No apologies here!

Do any of the hypocrites have the answer to these and other irrelevant questions?

At least we don't have a one eyed blinker.

wily ole dog · « 2019-Dec-03, 10:24 AM **Reply #414** »

I just came across this. It may have been posted already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMkDvU3Pm5k&feature=share

napes · « 2019-Dec-03, 05:26 PM **Reply #415** »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7733227/RSPCA-admits-sends-NSW-thoroughbreds-slaughterhouses-shocking-claims-racing-cruelty.html

The greatest of all the hypocrites the RSPCA comes clean with its procedures.

Silence from the ABC. Reported by the UK Daily Mail.

wily ole dog · « 2019-Dec-03, 06:26 PM **Reply #416** »

Thanks napes.......faking turds🤮

The RSPCA has admitted for the first time it sends broken-down racehorses to slaughterhouses in New South Wales where their carcasses are processed into pet food.

The animal welfare body has been one of the strongest critics of thoroughbreds being sent to abattoirs and knackeries once they are retired from the racing industry.

RSPCA New South Wales told Daily Mail Australia it sometimes sent stock including thoroughbreds for commercial slaughter if no other option was available.

'On occasion the only mechanism for disposing of very diseased, unwell or aged stock animals is via abattoir or knackery facilities,' a spokeswoman said.

'RSPCA NSW has in the past sent stock to abattoir, and continues to do so in a variety of circumstances.'

One of the knackeries RSPCA NSW has used in the past is Burns Pet Foods in Sydney which featured in a recent ABC expose alleging thoroughbreds were being slaughtered on an industrial scale.

wily ole dog · « 2019-Dec-03, 06:30 PM **Reply #417** »

Oops, of course.what a weak as puss organisation

It took RSPCA NSW almost a month to respond to questions about whether it ever sent animals - particularly thoroughbreds - to knackeries.

A statement was eventually provided with input from the RSPCA inspectorate, which investigates allegations of animal mistreatment, and the body's own legal counsel.

A spokeswoman stressed she could speak on behalf of only RSPCA NSW and not the other state branches of the organisation which all operate independently.

While confirming it sometimes disposed of stock through abattoirs and knackeries RSPCA NSW did not say how often it did so.

Asked to clarify if 'stock' included thoroughbreds, RSPCA NSW cited the Department of Primary Industries' use of the word.

'RSPCA NSW uses the DPI definition of stock - so that includes horses of all descriptions, including thoroughbreds,' it said.

Jeunes · « 2019-Dec-03, 08:50 PM **Reply #418** »

I will say it again, an open inquiry into the roles of ABC, the Racing bodies and RSPCA in this sorry saga.

Transparency and action, then we can all move on. I still want to get without feeling like a leper with some of the non racing folk.

Gintara · « 2019-Dec-03, 10:16 PM **Reply #419** »

Quote from: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-03, 08:50 PM

I will say it again, an open inquiry into the roles of ABC, the Racing bodies and RSPCA in this sorry saga.

Transparency and action, then we can all move on. I still want to get without feeling like a leper with some of the non racing folk.

Could we be comfortable that there would be transparency?

After the snow job the dogs copped I get a bit uneasy that you'd end up with another screw effort. :unsu

Anyway this little bit jumped out at me when scanning over the story on those hypocritics the RSPCA

Hidden cameras showed that in just 22 days, more than 300 racehorses - winners of a combined $5million in prize money - were killed in the abattoir.

Not sure those figures match what has been said elsewhere nor how did the know about the prizemoney? Did the have every brand? From my take they were lucky to name a handful yet here we are speaking with certainty of the amount of money they all won.

PoisonPen7 · « 2019-Dec-03, 11:58 PM **Reply #420** »

Quote from: Gintara on 2019-Dec-03, 10:16 PM

Could we be comfortable that there would be transparency?

After the snow job the dogs copped I get a bit uneasy that you'd end up with another screw effort. :unsu

Anyway this little bit jumped out at me when scanning over the story on those hypocritics the RSPCA

Hidden cameras showed that in just 22 days, more than 300 racehorses - winners of a combined $5million in prize money - were killed in the abattoir.

Not sure those figures match what has been said elsewhere nor how did the know about the prizemoney? Did the have every brand? From my take they were lucky to name a handful yet here we are speaking with certainty of the amount of money they all won.

Funny how the "sentence parsing politically correct", like at the ABC, don't pick up on their own stuff.

winners of a combined $5million in prize money

So they won an exact $5 million did they?

The accuracy of the figure is not the point.

It is the sloppiness in the reporting that is the point.

How hard would it have been to come up with an accurate figure? Or even report it as "just under $5 million" or the like.

And as we have shown there is sloppiness all throughout the report, as well as evil actions in hiding information that could have saved horses from further suffering just so they could run the report two days before The Everest.

I would urge Racing NSW that if the ABC do not provide a satisfactory answer to this point in their complaint:

It is disappointing that neither the ABC nor other parties involved in the two-year period of putting the program together apparently saw fit to report to authorities, when they became aware of the cruelty. While not within the ambit of this complaint, it is a matter for the ABC, as a public agency with integrity responsibilities, to consider. If the ABC has any evidence of abuse of thoroughbreds within the jurisdiction of Racing NSW, we would expect that such evidence be brought to Racing NSW’s attention as soon as possible.

that they refer the matter to the NSW Police for investigation in relation to the NSW Cruelty To Animals Act 1979, and lay charges if appropriate.

nemisis · « 2019-Dec-04, 09:06 AM **Reply #421** »

Quote from: Gintara on 2019-Dec-03, 10:16 PM

Could we be comfortable that there would be transparency?

After the snow job the dogs copped I get a bit uneasy that you'd end up with another screw effort. :unsu

Anyway this little bit jumped out at me when scanning over the story on those hypocritics the RSPCA

Hidden cameras showed that in just 22 days, more than 300 racehorses - winners of a combined $5million in prize money - were killed in the abattoir.

Not sure those figures match what has been said elsewhere nor how did the know about the prizemoney? Did the have every brand? From my take they were lucky to name a handful yet here we are speaking with certainty of the amount of money they all won.

6 weeks on Gintara and you trot out this?

If you had taken time out to "sit through" the 7.30 report you would have noticed at the end was a list of racehorses put through Meramist........a long list!

I would guarantee that if you put the names through Racing Australia......$5 million would be on the mark.......no-one is going to be that sloppy.

If some on here had put the time they've spent slagging off at the ABC into checking the facts we would all be better off!

A couple of names I was familiar with ......War Ends and Startreusse........I get $504,063.......the doubters can do the rest!

napes · « 2019-Dec-04, 09:58 AM **Reply #422** »

What is the relevance to the amount of money they won?

Do the hypocrites now suggest that only horses that win prizemoney deserve protection?

Gintara · « 2019-Dec-05, 09:02 AM **Reply #423** »

Quote from: napes on 2019-Dec-04, 09:58 AM

What is the relevance to the amount of money they won?

Napes my point was they struggled to come up with names yet the report above can categorically state 'over 300' horses in 22 days.

I'm sure we've all seen footage of trucks being unloaded at sale yards or abattoir, considering they would need the brands and this was convert surveillance - think groups of animals herded down a race and footage from a distance, how can they be sure?

They simply can't

napes · « 2019-Dec-05, 09:57 AM **Reply #424** »

Agreed Gintara, they can't.

But the more we argue about the irrelevant facts of name, money won etc, the more we get away from the fact animals are killed for human and pet consumption every single day.