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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Dec-05, 11:30 AM Reply #425 »


from the fact animals are killed for human and pet consumption every single day.


I fail to see what the problem is with that

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« 2019-Dec-05, 03:25 PM Reply #426 »

I fail to see what the problem is with that

  emthup  As long as they are treated ethically I can't see the issue.

I don't want to eat 'Winx' but I'm not going to judge those who do.

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« 2019-Dec-05, 03:59 PM Reply #427 »

I fail to see what the problem is with that

I don't have a problem with it either. As I don't have a problem with anyone eating horse, cat, dog or guinea pig. Not to my palate, but to each their own.

As Gintara says treat them ethically and move on.

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« 2019-Dec-05, 05:42 PM Reply #428 »
I think the taste depends on how it is cooked too.  If you are going to eat something different, do you cook it almost plain like to see what it tastes like or do you add spices / herbs to mask the taste if you are squeamish?

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« 2019-Dec-05, 07:36 PM Reply #429 »
The devastating drought and backlash from an ABC 7.30 report will culminate in excess horses being euthanised after Friday's equine auction in Echuca.

The biggest horse saleyard in Australia is anticipating more than 200 horses of all breeds to be up for sale on Friday, with truckloads arriving from Queensland and NSW due to the drought and horses having no water to live off.

Less than 10 per cent of the horses for sale are expected to be thoroughbreds, with the majority quarter horses, paint horses and Clydesdales.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/racing/drought-and-welfare-backlash-to-culminate-in-mass-horse-euthanisation-20191205-p53h69.html

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« 2019-Dec-06, 10:16 AM Reply #430 »
No story there Wily, Caro hyphen knows she's lose public opinion if she started on farmers.

It's the fact of life that when times are tough, livestock gets sent off to the sales to recoup some outlay whilst reducing your overheads.


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« 2019-Dec-06, 10:52 AM Reply #431 »
Looking at the sale mate its staggering the number of quarterhorses and clydesdales that are there.

yep, no milage in attacking those breeders :chin:

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« 2019-Dec-31, 05:02 PM Reply #432 »
Racing NSW response to my email on Hardwicke Stud received yesterday:-

"At the time of the interview Racing NSW was not aware of any of the allegations in respect to Hardwicke Stud.
 
Racing NSW has requested the ABC provide details and vision of NSW horses they allege were sent to Meramist. At this point in time that information has not been provided.
 
Our investigations are ongoing.
 
Yours Sincerely,

Marc Van Gestel
General Manager – Integrity
Chairman of Stewards
Racing NSW
Level 7, 51 Druitt Street, Sydney NSW 2000
Phone: 02 9551 7546 Mobile: 0412 933941 Fax: 02 9551 7551
Website: www.racingnsw.com.au"

I'll send them the link to the  Canberra Times story posted by PP7 as it should assist the investigation.


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« 2019-Dec-31, 05:41 PM Reply #433 »
Thanks Arsenal.

I wonder if they were the same stewards who could not do a proper ABN search?


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« 2020-Jan-21, 08:06 PM Reply #434 »
Conclusion Of Horse Welfare Inquiries

Please be advised of the following welfare inquiries that have recently been completed by Racing NSW Stewards.

1. Ballesteros – Injury and subsequent euthanasia (Stewards report here)

On Tuesday 14 January 2020, Racing NSW Stewards conducted an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding an injury sustained by Ballesteros trained by licensed trainer Mr Paul Robbins, which resulted in the horse being euthanaised on 19 October 2019. The following charges and penalties were issued.

Trainer Mr Paul Robbins - pleaded guilty to a charge under AR231(1)(b)(iii) for failing to provided veterinary treatment to the horse where such treatment is necessary during the period 9 October 2019 to 19 October 2019. Mr Robbins was disqualified for a period of 12 months (18 months reduced to 12 months for guilty plea, co-operation with Stewards and good record)

Foreperson Mrs Susan Robbins pleaded guilty to a charge under AR227(b) for being a party to Mr Robbins breaching AR231(1)(b)(iii) for failing to provided veterinary treatment to the horse where such treatment is necessary during the period 9 October 2019 to 19 October 2019. Mrs Robbins was disqualified for a period of 12 months (12 months reduced to 8 months for guilty plea, co-operation with Stewards and good record)

Both Mr and Mrs Robbins have lodged appeals to the Racing NSW Appeal Panel.

2. Snippet Assured – Breach of LR114(5)(e) (Stewards Report here)

On Wednesday 15 January 2020, Racing NSW Stewards conducted an inquiry into a report that the racehorse Snippet Assured had been disposed of at a knackery. The following charges and penalties were issued.

Trainer Mr Ian Symons – pleaded guilty to a charge under LR114(5)(e) in that once a decision was made to retire the racehorse Snippet Assured, he did during the month of August 2018, directly transport Snippet Assured to a knackery to be disposed of. Mr Symons was disqualified for a period of 2 years reduced to 18 months for his guilty plea.

Stablehand Ms Rachel Wotzlaw – pleaded guilty to a charge of improper conduct under AR228(b) in that she did deliberately and improperly provide information on 8th October 2018 to lessees of the racehorse Snippet Assured via Facebook Messenger, that Snippet Assured had been rehomed in retirement when she knew at that time that Snippet Assured had been delivered to a knackery to be disposed of. Ms Wotzlaw was disqualified for a period of 6 months reduced to 4 months for her guilty plea.

3. Sandaney – Catastrophic Injury and subsequent euthanasia (Stewards report here)

Racing NSW Stewards on 20 January 2020 conducted an inquiry into the collapse and catastrophic injury sustained by Sandaney at Warwick Farm trackwork on 30 December 2019, that resulted in the gelding being euthanaised on that morning.

Stablehand Rider Mr Patrick Shanahan – pleaded guilty to a charge under AR231(1)(a) in that he committed an act of cruelty on the morning of 30 December 2019 in that he rode Sandaney in a manner that contributed in Sandaney collapsing and sustaining fractures to both foreleg sesamoids and subsequently being euthanaised. Mr Shanahan was disqualified for a period of 18 months reduced to 13-1/2 months for his guilty plea. In assessing penalty Stewards found his actions contributed to the injury being sustained by the gelding. Mr Shanahan was also fined the sum of $500 under AR132(1) for using a whip not approved by Racing Australia.

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« 2020-Jan-22, 10:19 AM Reply #435 »
What a shocking read about Sandaney......by Redoute's Choice from an Irish mare bred by The Aga Khan.....owned by Arrowfield.

Driven with an unapproved whip for 400 metres until the  2 yr old collapses, doesn't bear thinking about......all this just 7 days after entering Rick Worthington's stable.

Surely more to this especially after his yearling X-rays turned away any buyers.

13 1/2 months disqualification for only one player seems hardly adequate.

R.I.P. Sandaney.

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« 2020-Jan-22, 03:52 PM Reply #436 »
There's obviously more to that story  :chin:

Seems very light otherwise  :what:

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« 2020-Jan-22, 04:44 PM Reply #437 »
An interesting question posed to me years ago when the greyhound saga was on was why does the racing industry in general allow people back after cruelty to animals in their care?

I could not answer that.

My question is something not just for Racing NSW but all Racing bodies is what stage do we disbar people for life. Aquanita is one example for Symonds but not anyone else.

Corruption or cruelty or abuse in some industries or vocations means you can never come back.

Also  did the RSPCA not charge these individuals? If not why? Maybe the Racing bodies in general needs to work in hand with them to protect the industry as these cases just give ammunition to people who detest horse racing. There are many people in the industry who love the horses and would never ever do that.


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« 2020-Jan-22, 09:33 PM Reply #438 »


Also  did the RSPCA not charge these individuals? If not why?

The cynic in me says that would mean work. These days they seem for more interested in headlines and donations than actually looking after animals  :dry:

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« 2020-Jan-22, 09:48 PM Reply #439 »
What a shocking read about Sandaney......by Redoute's Choice from an Irish mare bred by The Aga Khan.....owned by Arrowfield.

Driven with an unapproved whip for 400 metres until the  2 yr old collapses, doesn't bear thinking about......all this just 7 days after entering Rick Worthington's stable.

Surely more to this especially after his yearling X-rays turned away any buyers.

13 1/2 months disqualification for only one player seems hardly adequate.

R.I.P. Sandaney.

Agree. It is hard to imagine a horse being ridden to death with a whip in this day and age on a public racecourse.

Well done on the other two charges.

Let's hope it all the horses identified in the program are sorted as well as some sort of deterrent   emthup

Would have been nice if the ABC would have co-operated but as we noted they obviously are more interested in Walkley Awards rather than horse welfare.

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« 2020-Jan-23, 09:38 AM Reply #440 »
I'm hard pressed to think of anything more cruel than this and there is plenty of cruelty in horse racing......and it does beg the question....where is the RSPCA and police here when animal cruelty is a criminal offence?

Disappointing to see it only reported in The Herald in the on-line version.

While RNSW deserve some credit for dealing with this quickly the fact that Sandaney was owned by Arrowfield shows how racing is too easily conflicted.

I'm not sure if Alan Jones went to study the great works of Pooh in 'une Galerie d'art' in Soho this year but one would hope  when he gets back to work he will get right on to this and seek some justice for Sandaney.

"Horses are like part of the family" he stated publicly only a couple of months ago.

Racing had better hope there is no footage of this in these days of information sharing.

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« 2020-Jan-23, 01:50 PM Reply #441 »
More information on the steward's reports from Fairfax. I could not find any information in any News Corp articles but probably looked in the wrong area. The incident described of the death of the 2yo is pretty confronting when you consider what the poor animal was subject to as it seems more than "400 Metres"



Quirindi trainer disqualified from racing for taking horse to knackery

Chris Roots

By Chris Roots

 January 22, 2020 — 6.59pm


A Quirindi horse trainer has been disqualified for 18 months after being found guilty of taking a racehorse to a knackery.

Racing NSW stewards discovered the fate of seven-year-old Snippet Assured – which had run 20 times without a win – during an audit of Ian Symons' stable in December. Symons eventually admitted he had taken the horse to the knackery after its final start in August.

Racing NSW has disqualified five licencees on charges relating to horse welfare this week.

He was given a six-month discount on a two-year ban after pleading guilty to the charge and co-operating with stewards.

It was also found the stable had misled the owners of Snippet Assured, telling them the horse had been rehomed on October 8.

Stablehand Rachel Wotzlaw was given a four-month disqualification for providing the information on Facebook messenger, “when she knew at that time that Snippet Assured had been delivered to a knackery to be disposed of.”

Horse welfare was brought into the public arena when the ABC's 7.30 reported on the treatment of racehorses on October 17 last year. The report focussed on horses being killed at abattoirs and was broadcast only days before the running of Australia’s richest race, The Everest.

The Symons case was one of three horse welfare inquiries this week, which have seen five licensees disqualified from the sport.

Chief steward Marc Van Gestel said horse welfare had always been paramount to Racing NSW and Snippet Assured’s death was discovered in a routine stable audit.

“It is disappointing that we still find cases like these, but the procedures are in place to follow horses during their career and beyond,” Van Gestel said. “We have rules in place to deal with these cases and the penalties are severe for those breaching the rules.”

In an other case, Murwillumbah trainer Paul Robbins was disqualified for 12 months “for failing to provided veterinary treatment to a horse where such treatment [was] necessary” after Ballesteros had to euthanised on October 19.

Stewards found Robbins had not provided the necessary care after Ballesteros showed signs of soreness in the 10 days leading up to its death. The trainer plead guilty to the charge.

His foreman, Susan Robbins, was also found guilty and given an eight-month disqualification.

In the third case, Warwick Farm track rider Patrick Shanahan was disqualified for 13.5 months for committing an act of cruelty when he rode Sandaney in a manner that contributed to it collapsing and suffering a catastrophic injury, breaking both its front legs.

Shanahan was found not to have followed the instructions of trainer Rick Worthington to slowly work Sandaney on the polo fields on December 30. Instead he worked the horse on the polytrack at “faster than slow work” for two laps.

The distress of the horse was clear before it collapsed in front of trainers and Warwick Farm trackwork supervisor John McGarr, who all gave evidence during the inquiry.

Shanahan was found to have use a non-approved whip “unreasonably and/or excessively” in the final 400 metres of the unapproved work, which was deemed an act of cruelty. He was also fined $500 for using the unapproved whip.

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« 2020-Jan-23, 06:20 PM Reply #442 »

In the third case, Warwick Farm track rider Patrick Shanahan was disqualified for 13.5 months for committing an act of cruelty when he rode Sandaney in a manner that contributed to it collapsing and suffering a catastrophic injury, breaking both its front legs.

Shanahan was found not to have followed the instructions of trainer Rick Worthington to slowly work Sandaney on the polo fields on December 30. Instead he worked the horse on the polytrack at “faster than slow work” for two laps.

The distress of the horse was clear before it collapsed in front of trainers and Warwick Farm trackwork supervisor John McGarr, who all gave evidence during the inquiry.

Shanahan was found to have use a non-approved whip “unreasonably and/or excessively” in the final 400 metres of the unapproved work, which was deemed an act of cruelty. He was also fined $500 for using the unapproved whip.

Does anyone else read that and see more questions than answers?

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« 2020-Jan-23, 07:10 PM Reply #443 »
Does anyone else read that and see more questions than answers?

When I originally read Arsenal’s stewards report, I thought he whipped the horse too much. But after Root’s article, it said he seemed to ride the 2yo around “faster than slow work”. I don’t know what that means in reality as it really leaves a lot to your imagination.

The question is will there be a focus on his suspension being adequate considering the current climate if certain other interests jump on the bandwagon.

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« 2020-Jan-23, 08:14 PM Reply #444 »
Jeunes , not sure if you have read the full steward's report for Sandaney on Racing NSW website.

https://www.racingnsw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Sandaney-Stewards-Report.pdf

I agree with Gintara.......smells very dodgy.

It's interesting the stewards use the term 'humane euthanasia' because there was nothing humane leading up to his demise.

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« 2020-Jan-23, 08:35 PM Reply #445 »
Jeunes , not sure if you have read the full steward's report for Sandaney on Racing NSW website.

https://www.racingnsw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Sandaney-Stewards-Report.pdf

I agree with Gintara.......smells very dodgy.

It's interesting the stewards use the term 'humane euthanasia' because there was nothing humane leading up to his demise.

Thanks Nemesis. It is an interesting read. The fact this horse went around “faster than slow work” over 2 laps of 1700m is intriguing as well as the horse had injury issues in the past. Not sure what the level of experience of the track work rider is and why he disobeyed the instructions?

 Or are we trying to create a story of a tragic miscalculation of judgement?



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« 2020-Feb-05, 01:50 PM Reply #448 »
It is all Peter V'Landys fault......

</sarcasm>

While the ABC was trying to turn this into an anti Racing NSW thing on the eve of The Everest, there were a lot of people (including myself) asking why they didn't report the cruelty as soon as they came into that knowledge.

Of course we all know it is because the Sydney based reporter living on the North Shore wants a Walkely. The ABC could not care less about horse welfare.

The bulk of the footage displayed cruelty in Queensland, and had nothing to do with Racing NSW.

Yet I was kept being called an apologist for PVL without people actually addressing my direct questions about why the focus was on PVL and not on Qld.

Then we find out this:

After notifying the RSPCA of the horrific scenes, the matter was handed to Queensland’s Department of Agriculture.

Locals then started feeding the starving horses themselves with Marjorie Pagani, from Australian Farm Animal Rescue Matters, funding most of the recovery.

But in a post on January 22, Ms Marsh claimed they were told to stop feeding the horses.

“We have been told by Biosecurity to cease feeding the remaining horses as we are interrupting their investigation,” she wrote on Facebook.

“They issued a post today saying the horses are being fed appropriately. Really? Since when are sheep pellets and sorghum stubble appropriate?”

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“Despite public outrage and nearly 2500 emails to the Minister of Agriculture, there still appears to be very little action from Biosecurity Queensland to protect the remaining eight horses at a property near Toowoomba, where over 30 horses have already starved to death,” the two organisations said.

ALQ’s Executive Director Chay Neal lashed the government organisation said the action of concerned neighbours had saved the eight horses.

“Kind neighbours have been giving the horses small amounts of extra food over the last week or so, as they have been monitoring the feeding routine by the owner, who has only been attending once per day. The food being supplied by the owner has been low quality, wet straw. The action by these neighbours has meant that no further horses have died,” Mr Neal said.


https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/fury-as-pictures-of-starving-and-dead-horses-on-queensland-farm-go-viral/

So do you guys get it now??

Or are you still going to carry on with your anti Racing NSW politics, as the ABC were doing on the eve of The Everest.

(Cue - personal insults)

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« 2020-Feb-05, 04:47 PM Reply #449 »
PP, two wrongs don’t make a right.

I have never wavered from my belief that all should be held accountable. Check all the posts.

Racing NSW and V’Landys lodged a complaint but the ABC found no case of bias etc.

Now up to Racing NSW and a V’landys to take it further to ACMA. I wonder if they will or was the complaint to ABC a symbolic issue as it was done with a lot of fanfare. The subsequent ABC complaint was hardly covered at all by the same media that covered the complaint.

ACMA could be the saviour for Racing NSW and V’Landys.



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