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Offline arthur

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« 2019-Oct-19, 12:22 PM Reply #50 »
Sir Laponac  :beer:

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« 2019-Oct-19, 06:11 PM Reply #51 »
What a load of crap.

If you go home to a steak tonight then don't carry on about horses being killed.

If you have a dog or cat you feed, don't carry on about horses being killed.

If you have ever set a mouse trap, don't carry on about horses being killed.


The more we pander to these beat ups the more ground we lose. Until the  :crap: hits the fan and we end up with someone like Trump in power.

 I am guessing you did not watch the program ?


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« 2019-Oct-19, 06:14 PM Reply #52 »
After 15 minutes I thought I was watching a well deserved expose of the Abattoir industry.

Yes it was more a blight on that industry than racing but racing being a billion dollar industry putting on million dollar races must do better.

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« 2019-Oct-19, 06:17 PM Reply #53 »
Shogun I suggest you take a few deep breaths and reread what I said.

Yes it is over reach in the biggest possible way, wanting something banned by meddling in the lives of others (law abiding citizens) simply because you don't like it will never get you anywhere.  :bulb:


Actually I think it got us to where we are today.


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« 2019-Oct-20, 07:37 AM Reply #54 »
Wow, this issue is a vexing one.
The lack of suggestion, debate, thoughts here....from such a large community of supposed horse lovers, really surprises me.
The Big secret....like masturbation in the 50's...we just don't like talking about it, do we?
 

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« 2019-Oct-20, 08:01 AM Reply #55 »
Can we at least put aside the inherent hatred of Peter V'Landys for a minute and acknowledge that Racing NSW and Racing Victoria actually set aside part of the prizemoney for animal welfare?

This is the prizemoney for yesterday's Everest

Of $14,000,000.1st $6,050,000, 2nd $2,140,000, 3rd $1,240,000, 4th $900,000, 5th $680,000, 6th $450,000, 7th $400,000, 8th $400,000, 9th $400,000, 10th $400,000, 11th $400,000, 12th $400,000, Welfare Fund $140,000.

Every race sets aside 1% of prizemoney for the horse's welfare.

I didn't see the program.

Did the ABC acknowledge that? Or did PVL have to point it out?

Racehorses in Australia must be the most privileged animals in the world.

How many animals get CAT scans? Get visits from chiropractors?

The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists. The same sort of people who think it is OK to perform home invasions on farmers they deem to be evil.

The ABC has become a vehicle of lies and half truths.

My advice to people is not to watch it.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 08:07 AM Reply #56 »
The whole story on the ABC was an attack on the racing industry and the fact that it exists. It’s real motivation was not about animal welfare. That is the stick being used on the ignorant public.

First point of question is, Can someone tell me what’s actually wrong with horses being processed for meat consumption?



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« 2019-Oct-20, 08:35 AM Reply #57 »
Can we at least put aside the inherent hatred of Peter V'Landys for a minute and acknowledge that Racing NSW and Racing Victoria actually set aside part of the prizemoney for animal welfare?

This is the prizemoney for yesterday's Everest

Of $14,000,000.1st $6,050,000, 2nd $2,140,000, 3rd $1,240,000, 4th $900,000, 5th $680,000, 6th $450,000, 7th $400,000, 8th $400,000, 9th $400,000, 10th $400,000, 11th $400,000, 12th $400,000, Welfare Fund $140,000.

Every race sets aside 1% of prizemoney for the horse's welfare.

I didn't see the program.

Did the ABC acknowledge that? Or did PVL have to point it out?

Racehorses in Australia must be the most privileged animals in the world.

How many animals get CAT scans? Get visits from chiropractors?

The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists. The same sort of people who think it is OK to perform home invasions on farmers they deem to be evil.

The ABC has become a vehicle of lies and half truths.

My advice to people is not to watch it.
If you didn't watch it how on earth can you comment on it ?

The program had to be well researched because of the noise that would come back from the so called power people within the racing industry.

The 1% welfare fund was reported  as was "The Farm"

What welfare plans do Messara, Gerry Harvey and Alan Jones have for all the unwanted stock they bring into the world?.....not a lot I think.

The racing industry can no longer pretend it is not much more at times than a meat industry and nor should it.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 08:44 AM Reply #58 »
If you didn't watch it how on earth can you comment on it ?


Where did I comment on the program?

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« 2019-Oct-20, 08:55 AM Reply #59 »
The whole story on the ABC was an attack on the racing industry and the fact that it exists. It’s real motivation was not about animal welfare. That is the stick being used on the ignorant public.

First point of question is, Can someone tell me what’s actually wrong with horses being processed for meat consumption?




I don’t think that is the issue WOD re horses being processed for meat or we will all be vegetarians. It is more to do with the fact that we are breeding racehorses for racing and discarding them like garbage. It does not help the ratbags in the programme were also mistreating them at their end too.

As a society we seem to get very upset when we see cruelty against animals especially when it seems it is a deliberate act.

Horses live for a long time so not sure what the right solution is but a small tax similar to a GST on every foal sold or bred etc would reduce a bit of the angst and provide for the future.

The fact is that harness racing would be much worse as they don’t have the same prize money to fund much.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 10:03 AM Reply #60 »
Where did I comment on the program?

I make a few posts today and there you are stalking away just like it was in the past ready to lay in with whatever I post.

What's happened.

Cat got your tongue stalker?

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« 2019-Oct-20, 10:26 AM Reply #61 »
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The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists. The same sort of people who think it is OK to perform home invasions on farmers they deem to be evil.

The ABC has become a vehicle of lies and half truths.

My advice to people is not to watch it.
How is that not a comment on the program!

No one is interested in your semantics antics.

And if you must toss grenades you should at least be prepared to revisit them to deal with the consequences.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 10:28 AM Reply #62 »

The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists. The same sort of people who think it is OK to perform home invasions on farmers they deem to be evil.

The ABC has become a vehicle of lies and half truths.

My advice to people is not to watch it.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  :clap2:

I haven't sat through it, I've only caught news snips & online cuts but having endured the greyhound ban in NSW I know exactly what it would have been like. Twist, lie & make out it's the norm while the vast majority of good people don't get a voice and are just shouted at and down by these activists. Eventually the tide will turn with time as the silent majority are heard and the truth will come forward.

None of this absolves the industry of the need for change, something I flagged during the greyhound ban that this was coming but the horse industry were too smug to see it.  :bulb:

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« 2019-Oct-20, 10:38 AM Reply #63 »
The whole story on the ABC was an attack on the racing industry and the fact that it exists. It’s real motivation was not about animal welfare. That is the stick being used on the ignorant public.

First point of question is, Can someone tell me what’s actually wrong with horses being processed for meat consumption?

WOD that's a point I make a lot, these ferals rant and rage yet they expect to hold an industry to higher standards than what society is judged by or accepts.

They think racing in itself is cruel  :bulb: As I said early in the thread you cannot reason with these people as they want racing stopped, it's black and white to them, when the rest of us live in the grey area of the middle. Hence the need for someone to stand up and push back, shout from the roof tops the changes and welfare being put in place and then tell them to suck it up. They may hate it which is their right but they have no rights in saying how you, I or the industry operates.

As for meat processing, the fact it's legal is lost on these people  :bulb: The only thing that might have been broken here is RNSW rules if a NSW horse is sent to the 'farm'

That doesn't mean better controls and whole of life tracking isn't needed but it's no reason to shut an industry. Still this is asking for higher standards than what the general public is judged by.  :shrug:


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« 2019-Oct-20, 10:41 AM Reply #64 »
I think we all have to stop shooting the messenger and the vehicle of the messenger.

I work with people who say they like feedback positive or negative. However when they are given negative feedback, they either make excuses, fightback, start crying etc.

Some of the points made during the argument are valid. Farrell still makes his argument only 34 horses are killed this way each year.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 10:48 AM Reply #65 »
Gintara,

you seem to stain anyone leaning one way as those activists disrupting innocent farmers' property or causing those insane massive traffic disruptions (again punishing innocents).

In fact this is a very wide spectrum.

I was amazed at how civilised the Randwick protest was.

If you were to read the RSPCA's or that earlier mentioned group's manifestos my bet is you would find little about which to disagree.

The National Register is in the process of being implemented. And everyone seems to agree that's necessary.

You should not try to be damaging that move by trying to disunite this fragile country further.



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« 2019-Oct-20, 11:35 AM Reply #66 »
How is that not a comment on the program!

No one is interested in your semantics antics.

And if you must toss grenades you should at least be prepared to revisit them to deal with the consequences.

That is a comment on the ABC. Not a comment on the program. I made no specific comment in relation to the program and mainly commented on the welfare of horses.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 12:12 PM Reply #67 »
I don’t think that is the issue WOD re horses being processed for meat or we will all be vegetarians.

Can't agree mate. It may be with racing types like you and me but the way that story was "pieced together" it wasn't about us. It was Joe Average and it wanted to paint a picture, an incorrect & dishonest one, about the racing industry. Joe A wouldn't have a clue how many horses are bred to race they just saw horses abused and ampotion blame....wrongly.
Much to the delight of the "welfare mob"
I can't recall, did the story say how many of those horses were actually ex racehorses?



 It is more to do with the fact that we are breeding racehorses for racing and discarding them like garbage.

Again, these are seperate issues. 3 in fact.
1; Personally I dont think we breed to many.
2; Discarding or watage or whatever term wanted is okay by me, we do it with so many other animals. That leads to the 3rd point

3; The tyreatment of those animals was disgusting. That joint should be fined and frankly, those turds who were employees should be imprisioned and their crimian records thoroughly vetted. You know the type that they are


It does not help the ratbags in the programme were also mistreating them at their end too.

I bet nothing happens to them. it appears to me the welfare mob are silent on the criminal individulas


As a society we seem to get very upset when we see cruelty against animals especially when it seems it is a deliberate act.

Not sure we do. wheres the outrage of the bloke who ran over wombats...deliberatley a few weeks back, for example


Horses live for a long time so not sure what the right solution is but a small tax similar to a GST on every foal sold or bred etc would reduce a bit of the angst and provide for the future.

There is but I Totally agree. Not with the $50-K that shogie was asking for :o


The story lumped all of these aspects in together and it is no an all or nothing situation and cant be treated as such




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« 2019-Oct-20, 12:19 PM Reply #68 »

The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists. The same sort of people who think it is OK to perform home invasions on farmers they deem to be evil.

The ABC has become a vehicle of lies and half truths.

My advice to people is not to watch it.
Once again with vague ennui:

In just that segment there are 3 boldified references to the program.

Why are you persisting with this! Everyone has better things to do than wallow in such inconsequentiality.

I happen to be sick to death of the ABC's degenerating wank.

So barring shows like Landline and Hard Quiz I avoid it.

As to the program, it wasn't a monologue but an attempt to be balanced.

I don't recall seeing anyone there from the ratbag fringe.

V'landys was given plenty of air time. He did himself no favours.

Perhaps the program could have been better, but only those who watched it are entitled to judge.

And, as yet, you ain't.





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« 2019-Oct-20, 01:03 PM Reply #69 »
SMH article today.

How is horse racing cruel?
A recent investigation puts animal welfare in the spotlight while activists have been saying horse-racing is cruel for years – but exactly how? And what do the industry and experts say in response?
By Simone Fox Koob
October 18, 2019

For a long time, it was about having a punt, checking out the fashion, maybe scooping the office sweep. But there’s a markedly different kind of conversation around this year’s spring racing carnival.
An investigation by the ABC’s 7.30 program has seen the billion-dollar thoroughbred racing industry again forced to confront issues of animal welfare after it found that thousands of discarded racehorses were being slaughtered in knackeries and abattoirs in New South Wales and Queensland.
Add to that the deaths of horses at successive Melbourne Cups, high-profile doping scandals and exposés into alleged animal cruelty, and it’s clear that animal welfare issues are in the spotlight.
Activists have been saying horse-racing is cruel for years – but exactly how? And what do the industry and experts say in response?


Is there an oversupply of racehorses?
Thoroughbred racehorses generally race for only two or three years before they retire – but they can live for up to three decades.
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Most horses bred in Australia are intended to become competitors in the thoroughbred racing industry here, where $651 million in prize money is at stake every year and annual wagering turnover is more than $19 billion.
In the year to May 1, 2018, Racing Australia has estimated 14,197 foals were born, up from 13,823 the year before. However, numbers have been dropping for the past decades – in 2008-09 there were 17,792 foals born.
The number of races has remained relatively consistent, around 19,000.
After their career in racing, horses go into breeding or recreational activities or they are sent to a new home – or to knackeries, which sell the meat as animal food, or abattoirs, which export the meat for human consumption.
The process of horses leaving the racing industry is known as “wastage”.
In 2014, national regulations made it compulsory for thoroughbred owners to notify Racing Information Services Australia when their horse was retiring. But there is no compulsory mechanism to track the animal to the end of its life.
Studies are scarce. A 2004 study from the University of Sydney, funded by the RSPCA, found that about 6 per cent were sent directly to knackeries. Another study, prepared for Racing Victoria and released in 2014, followed a foal crop from 2005 and found that when they retired, 40 per cent of horses were “re-homed”, 20 per cent went into breeding, 19 per cent had died for unspecified reasons, 5 per cent were still racing and 5 per cent were sold overseas. The fate of the remaining 11 per cent was not known.

Racing Victoria disputes that many horses are killed after they finish racing, saying their statistics from last year show that almost 90 per cent are re-homed directly to the equestrian, pleasure or breeding industries, 6 per cent are euthanised, 4 per cent die naturally and just 1 per cent end up in abattoirs.
The 7.30 report found that around 300 racehorses had been killed in one Queensland abattoir alone in just 22 days, raising questions about how many horses do end up being slaughtered.
If you’re a horse, you know what your great-great-grandmother did, their prize money, their racing records … incredibly more detailed than most humans know about their family … and after that, up until recently, it was a black hole.
Animal welfare organisations hold serious concerns about the welfare of the horses who retire.
“We do know that we see ex-racehorses and thoroughbreds that end up in really dire situations,” says the RSPCA Victoria’s chief executive Liz Walker.
“I think the thing is, there is no transparency and data and what we think is essential is the mandatory collection and publication of life-cycle statistics from birth to death.”
She says horses are one of the only species of domestic animals that don’t have an official register. The RSPCA has seen a rise in reports of cruelty to horses, she says.

Racing Victoria’s head of integrity, Jamie Stier, says the organisation supports the creation of a National Horse Traceability Register. “That would be advantageous not only to racing but to the whole equine population and not only on a strictly injury or location basis to the use of horses but also the other benefits that aren't as easily identifiable, which are welfare-related.
“It gives us a good opportunity that should there be a disease outbreak, we would be able to manage and control that.”
This knowledge is urgently needed and “long overdue”, says Professor Phil McManus, a Professor of Urban and Environmental Geography specialising in human-animal relations and author of The Global Horseracing Industry.
“If you’re a horse, you know what your great-great-grandmother did, their prize money, their racing records, where they raced, how often they won as two-year-old. Those details are incredibly more detailed than most humans know about their family. We know all that stuff and after that, up until recently, it was a black hole,” he says.
“That’s why the wastage issue is really complex, there is a lack of reliable information ... A horse could be out in a paddock in Cranbourne or Pakenham and then a truck pulls up in middle of night and it’s taken to slaughterhouse. We have to go beyond that first destination, microchip every horse, identify it.
“It’s about trying to improve outcomes and thinking about it not just when the horse retires, we have to think about it at the very beginning and a lot of people have to take responsibility.”

What about the use of whips?
One of the most contentious welfare issues in racing worldwide is the use of whips.
Those who believe the device should be used argue it is necessary for safety – to control the horse – and to encourage the horse. Those who oppose its use say it is an instrument of cruelty and hurts horses for what is, essentially, entertainment.
The Australian Racing Board made padded whips mandatory in 2009, saying the “best scientific advice” was that these types of whips did not inflict pain or injury.
Whips cannot cannot be used in an “excessive, unnecessary or improper manner”, nor near a horse’s head, nor if a horse is not responding and not when horse and rider are past the winning post.
The racing board mandated in 2009 that the whip cannot be used more than five times before the 200-metre mark. This changed again at the end of 2015, restricting riders to five strikes with the whip before the 100-metre mark of every race. From that point on, it’s up to the rider’s discretion.
If these rules are breached, jockeys face penalties ranging from fines to suspensions, imposed by stewards.
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The RSPCA wants whips banned. They say whips have the “potential to inflict pain and injury” and cannot be justified because “performance is influenced more by genetics, preparation and rider skill”.
They quote research from a 2012 study from the University of Sydney’s Faculty of Veterinary Science, in which leading equine specialist Paul McGreevy found that the “unpadded section of the whip made contact on 64 per cent of impacts, demonstrating that padding the whip does not necessarily safeguard a horse from possible pain”.
It also found that many jockeys were breaching the whip rules and stewards were not effectively policing them.
In the Melbourne Cup last year, quite a number of jockeys were fined for the overuse of the whip and the penalties were immaterial compared to what the jockeys stand to make from achieving a good result.
“In the Melbourne Cup last year, quite a number of jockeys were fined for the overuse of the whip and the penalties were immaterial compared to what the jockeys stand to make from achieving a good result,” says the RSPCA’s Ms Walker.
In the 2018 Melbourne Cup, six jockeys, including the first three across the line, were penalised for flouting whip rules. Winner Kerrin McEvoy was fined $3000 for using his whip nine times before the 100-metre mark (four more than allowed). First-place prizemoney was $4 million, 5 per cent of which would customarily go to the jockey, which means he would have won about $200,000.
“I think there is a growing community awareness about it … The industry is going to need to adjust.”
The RSPCA also doesn’t condone the use of spurs – the metal in the back of riding boots – or tongue ties, a piece of material wrapped around the tongue and tied to the lower jaw to keep the tongue in place during a race.
Racing Victoria’s position is that there is no credible scientific research, including the studies put forward by the RSPCA, that proves the padded whips cause pain.
“We are not seeing any physical evidence of injuries to the horse on race day and all the horses are looked at by our team of veterinary surgeons,” says Mr Stier.
However, his personal view is that there is “certainly room for consideration of applying a rule that allows a number of permitted uses of the whip throughout the race” and he is conscious of overseas reforms.
In Norway, whips have been banned since the introduction of animal welfare legislation in 1982. More recently, the whip was banned for the first time in the United States at the Santa Anita Park in southern California after a number of horse deaths.
What injuries do racehorses face and why are they sometimes killed on track?
Gastric ulcers are common in athletic horses due to diet, exercise, housing or stress, and horses can also suffer from muscle tear, most commonly in the rump or hamstrings of the hind limbs.
Then there are exercise-induced pulmonary haemorrhages (EIPH), also known as bleeding in the lungs, which can occur during strenuous exercise.
When galloping, horses have a high cardiac output, pushing blood through the body and creating high pressure in the capillaries. These can rupture and release blood into the lungs.
To an extent, EIPH is an “inevitable consequence” of the extremely high cardiac output required by racehorses, say vets at the U-Vet Werribee Equine Centre, which is funded by the University of Melbourne, Racing Victoria and the state government.
Just over half (55.3 per cent) of starters had some degree of EIPH on post-race examination, a University of Melbourne study of Victorian racecourses found, making it a “serious condition in racehorses and prevention or reduction of its incidence is an important issue”.
It’s a condition animal welfare groups are particularly concerned about.
“Statistics should be collected around injuries and reported per race track and for types of racing too, and analysis needs to be done on the different trends,” says the RSPCA’s Ms Walker.
The industry insists this work is already going on.
Australia has the lowest injury rate in the world, says Professor Chris Whitton, from the U-Vet Werribee Equine Centre. But he acknowledges that the nature of racing means some horse injuries can be extremely serious.
“Racing Victoria are doing a lot, they have one of the biggest research programs into injuries in the world. There is always the opportunity to do more and we are dealing with animals and have to do our best for them,” he says.
The Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses has created an annual “deathwatch” tally, which found that 122 horses were killed on track in the year to July 31.
There are significant limitations given the type of fractures they get on the racetrack: explosive, shattered bones ... For us to fix a fracture it needs to be a relatively simple one we can repair … We’ve gotten better.
When euthanasia is the best option for a horse, Racing Victoria says the procedure must be performed efficiently, humanely and with no anticipatory stress. Professor Whitton says there are a number of reasons horses are put down.
“Firstly, a horse needs to be able to stand on all four legs immediately after any procedure we do to fix an injury,” he says.
“There are significant limitations given the type of fractures they get on the racetrack: explosive, shattered bones that would be very difficult to repair, that’s why it’s limited ... For us to fix a fracture it needs to be a relatively simple one we can repair and immediately take the weight on that leg.
“We’ve gotten better and that’s why more horses are taken off the track for assessment,” he says.
Racing Victoria say they “take very seriously the care and wellbeing of our horses and have a track record of showing that”.
“There are risks associated with horse racing as there are with all sports but we work our hardest to identify risk and take appropriate action to minimise that risk,” says Mr Stier.
Some animal welfare groups, including Animals Australia and the Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses, also say horses are at greater risk of injury when they start racing aged two.
However, vet Professor Whitton says he has done a lot of research in this area and evidence has shown the “earlier you start a horse the less injury it has and the longer its career”.
“You need to introduce high speed, work it in carefully and gradually, but there are a number of studies which have shown the younger you start a horse, the longer its career and fewer injuries it has,” he says.

How are horses treated outside the track?
Hundreds of thousands of jobs nationally are tied to thoroughbred racing, and it’s generally accepted that most within the industry have a deep connection and love for the animals.
Successful horses, in particular, are generally extremely well cared for, with millions spent on their welfare. What is the life of a racehorse like compared to other horses?
“Compared to life in the wild, some of the horses and particularly the best racehorses do have a longer life, and the reason being, in the wild they don’t get medical care, they possibly could be attacked by another animal, they can fight amongst each other,” says Professor McManus.
“It’s tough, say in the Snowy Mountains, and it’s not as comfortable as a clean stable with fresh hay. Successful horses in terms of a racing career or potential breeding are very well looked after and it’s in an owner and trainer’s interests to do that, generally.
“There are concerns, though,” he says.
These include the racehorse’s diet, which Professor McManus says can be different to a natural diet and lead to ulcers.
There are also concerns around socialisation, given that horses are herd animals and can end up in stables around lots of horses the same age, with no leadership or herd mentality.
The heart rate goes up massively because that’s how they perform and their physiology is designed to enable them to be amazing athletes. How you determine what’s stress and what isn’t is very difficult to tease out.
It’s also, basically, impossible to know whether a horse likes to race.
“I don’t know anyone knows,” says vet Professor Whitton.
“Their instinct is to run. That doesn’t mean they enjoy it. Having an instinct to run and doing it doesn’t mean you enjoy it. It’s an impossible question to answer. People who say they enjoy it don’t know, and people that say they don’t enjoy it don’t know. It’s unanswerable.”
“The heart rate goes up massively because that’s how they perform and their physiology is designed to enable them to be amazing athletes. How you determine what’s stress and what isn’t is very difficult to tease out.”
Ms Walker from the RSPCA says while there is no doubt there is a “great affection” for horses in the equine industry that doesn’t mean that there are not entrenched animal welfare issues.
From an industry point of view, events such as the 10-month investigation by Victoria Police and Racing Victoria into the alleged use of jiggers (electric shock devices) by top trainer Darren Weir, who has been charged with animal cruelty and conspiracy offences, show that industry bodies are prioritising compliance.
“I think, without doubt, the racehorses are generally considered to receive the highest standard of care … that’s not to say that some individuals don’t behave as we expect them to behave,” says Racing Victoria’s Mr Stier.
“Any evidence or indication of inappropriate behaviour is addressed swiftly and firmly.”
How is the conversation about animal rights and ethics changing the racing industry?
In September, the ACT became the first jurisdiction in the country to recognise animal sentience, passing laws to recognise that animals can feel and perceive the world around them, and deserve to have a quality of life that "reflects their intrinsic value".
The greyhound racing industry has been overhauled in many states after serious animal welfare issues were uncovered, causing outrage.
What does the changing conversation around animals mean for racing?
“There will always be some out there who don’t wish to see horse racing take place – we have to acknowledge that – but what we are focused on [is] considering community expectation,” says Racing Victoria’s Mr Stier.
Professor McManus says it will be a test for the industry in the years to come to maintain its social licence to operate.
“If you whip a horse 18 times in the last 100 metres on a racetrack, it’s OK. If you did the same out in the street, you’d be charged with animal cruelty,” he says.
“It [racing] has a special status at the moment and I think that special status is what conflicts with changing expectations about animal welfare – and those things don’t align at the moment.”

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« 2019-Oct-20, 01:33 PM Reply #70 »
Gintara,

you seem to stain anyone leaning one way as those activists disrupting innocent farmers' property or causing those insane massive traffic disruptions (again punishing innocents).

In fact this is a very wide spectrum.

I was amazed at how civilised the Randwick protest was.

If you were to read the RSPCA's or that earlier mentioned group's manifestos my bet is you would find little about which to disagree.

The National Register is in the process of being implemented. And everyone seems to agree that's necessary.

You should not try to be damaging that move by trying to disunite this fragile country further.

jfc I am talking about the rabid hand wringers, you'll find a vast, vast majority of people sit in the middle without a leaning one way or another, once the hysteria dies down, the carnival is over that group don't have an opinion either way as it doesn't effect them - this was evident during the greyhound ban and once the truth slowly gets heard you'll find the tide will swing your way.

As for the RSPCA, while my arse points to the ground I give no credibility to anything they say or do, they have long lost their charter under Coleman and are now just a branch of activism pointing everyone to the 'donate' button. So spare me anything that comes out of the frauds mouth.

Btw - don't take this as any defence for the racing industry, I'm on record as handing my 15 + year membership to the ATC (formerly STC) over V'Landys comments during the greyhound ban. I was vocal that they shouldn't throw too many rocks when their own house isn't in order, in fact it was well behind the greyhound industry but instead of standing as a united racing industry 'self interest Pete' was happy to dance on the grave of the greyhounds.

So unlike the rabid hand wringers who will stop at nothing but the end of racing, I'm pragmatic, there needs to be changes so let's get on with it and promote how good we can be  :bulb:

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« 2019-Oct-20, 01:57 PM Reply #71 »
Once again with vague ennui:

In just that segment there are 3 boldified references to the program.

Why are you persisting with this! Everyone has better things to do than wallow in such inconsequentiality.

I happen to be sick to death of the ABC's degenerating wank.

So barring shows like Landline and Hard Quiz I avoid it.

As to the program, it wasn't a monologue but an attempt to be balanced.

I don't recall seeing anyone there from the ratbag fringe.

V'landys was given plenty of air time. He did himself no favours.

Perhaps the program could have been better, but only those who watched it are entitled to judge.

And, as yet, you ain't.

Lord help me  :angel:

The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists.

This is an explanation on why I didn't watch the program - not a comment on the program itself.

I made a judgement prior to the show, based on discussion about the show, and the fact it was being shown two nights before The Everest, that the ABC would be backing their left wing vegan ratbag mates - the same ones who have scared off Taylor Swift from appearing at the Melbourne Cup.

So I decided not to watch it. I won't be wasting my time watching ABC left wing propaganda.

If you cannot understand and accept the above then you probably need to see a psychiatrist.

My advice to people is not to watch it.

My advice not to watch "it" refers to the ABC i.e. don't watch the ABC.

Are there any other prepositions, nouns, verbs, etc that need to be explained  :what:

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« 2019-Oct-20, 02:28 PM Reply #72 »
I still don't buy your semantics but will try to move forward.

I don't recall seeing any of those ratbags on the show.

Nor anyone trying to ban racing.

Not even the extremely sensible move of reducing breeding.

And considering that V'landys has censored the media so The Everest propaganda gets no scrutiny, it is highly desirable to broadcast dissent, so as to provide balance.

In summary your prejudice about the program is wrong, and if you want to disagree you need to view it, rather than tilt at imaginary ratbags.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 02:36 PM Reply #73 »
I still don't buy your semantics but will try to move forward.

I don't recall seeing any of those ratbags on the show.

Nor anyone trying to ban racing.

Not even the extremely sensible move of reducing breeding.

And considering that V'landys has censored the media so The Everest propaganda gets no scrutiny, it is highly desirable to broadcast dissent, so as to provide balance.

In summary your prejudice about the program is wrong, and if you want to disagree you need to view it, rather than tilt at imaginary ratbags.

OK. I wasn't going to watch the f. thing but I guess I'll have to now.

If I'm not back here making a comment in half an hour the ABC probably sent me to sleep.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 03:39 PM Reply #74 »
My comments on the program

Sadism and Animal Cruelty

The person hitting horses with polypipe and the ratbags mistreating the horses should be charged with animal cruelty under existing laws.

If the Qld authorities do not do this then the ABC, if they are genuine, should ask questions why this has not been done.

In fact there is a strong argument that the Caboolture abattoir should be closed immediately pending investigation for animal cruelty.

But we know the ABC will not follow up. They have done all they are going to do.

The people filmed are sadists and should not be let near animals.

The Slaughter Of Animals

The images of horses being destroyed is disturbing to someone not used to seeing such vision.

But it would be just as disturbing watching lambs, cows and pigs being slaughtered.

And the number of horses being slaughtered pales into insignificance when compared with that of other animals.

So are people who are disturbed by the images going to stop eating meat and become vegan? The thought did cross my mind about the reporter Caro Meldrum-Hanna and her attitudes to veganism. Whaddya know. She is a Loreto girl who ended up doing Law at UTS - same as my youngest girl.

Racing NSW Horses

Obviously the ABC has determined that there is a transgression of the law as relates to NSW horses and I'm sure PVL will do something about it. Sales like the one at Camden shouldn't happen.

However.....

Question: Did the ABC, or the activists contact the police or racing authorities as soon as they found out about this?

Or were the ABC prepared to let additional racehorses be slaughtered so they could run the story two days before The Everest?

If there was a delay in notifying the authorities, how many extra horses died because of the ABC and will they accept responsibility for this?


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