The more we pander to these beat ups the more ground we lose.
:thumbsup:
I'd love someone to stand up and say it like it is. Yes some horses end up at the knackery, yes we try to minimize it from the industry by XYZ etc. but as long as the animals are dealt with ethically then where's the problem? Push it back and say deal with it.
It's time we pushed back against the 'over reach' into peoples lives.
What a load of crap.
If you go home to a steak tonight then don't carry on about horses being killed.
If you have a dog or cat you feed, don't carry on about horses being killed.
If you have ever set a mouse trap, don't carry on about horses being killed.
The more we pander to these beat ups the more ground we lose. Until the :crap: hits the fan and we end up with someone like Trump in power.
:thumbsup:
I'd love someone to stand up and say it like it is. Yes some horses end up at the knackery, yes we try to minimize it from the industry by XYZ etc. but as long as the animals are dealt with ethically then where's the problem? Push it back and say deal with it.
It's time we pushed back against the 'over reach' into peoples lives.
In think you misinterpreted Jeunes.
Absolutely we need to do & be seen to be doing the right thing, there is not place for cruelty.
That said what we define as cruelty isn't the same as the 'activists' as their definition is horse racing it's self! We could put in worlds best practice for after career care and they still wouldn't be happy until the racing industry is closed down. :shutup: These are the same people who think greyhounds are forced to run :wacko:
Hence the need to stand up and point out what is happening, it's lawful, it's best practice - deal with it. That will win the court of public appeal when you point out the flaws in the 'activists' message.
Bets practice huh?
You have got to be kidding.
Did you watch the footage closely?
And by the way, it is enquiring "overreach" as you put it, that has stopped many foul evil things happening, all through time and everywhere.
The absolutely ridiculous racing administration's position on this matter is obviously a joke...
Simply deregister as a racehorse, then kill the bugger a week or two later (even if he has won you and your mates thousands).
Good look ain't it..
So, the answer is honesty hey, push back huh?...perhaps big banners on Melb cup day stating warning "the racehorse you fall in love with this arvo may or may not be killed in a month if it fails or gets injured."
That will help...a disclaimer, so we are all clear about things and harden the xxck up..
No idea.
If you want to slaughter a NSW racehorse then all you need to do is deregister it.
Perhaps on sell it to a slaughterer just to be safe.
You're comfortable with that?
If so, maybe you also live in the duo's Fantasyland.
Note, that both Racing Australia, as well as the Breeders Association concur with me.
So why haven't they already implemented one?Who knows?
It's not like we didn't know this was coming .....
I'm fully entitled to have a beef against him, but I stick to valid criticism based on facts.
We saw him less than comfortable during a lengthy interview.
But urged on by his partner of their mutual admiration society he spun a web of fantasy.
I saw the 7.30 way different than you.
I imagine no footage of animals being slaughtered can look pretty and I'm not sure I saw any malpractices on the show. But I don't know nearly enough about the process.
Pretty sure what was described as kicking a horse's head was not some act of wanton cruelty, rather the safest way of preforming the pedoeuvre.
Caro Meldrum-Hanna, reporter, re footage of the racehorse War Ends being killed in an abattoir: “Bolting complemented by kicks to the head”.
— Andy Gorfman (@AndyGorfman) October 18, 2019
That sounded like criticism. Two points:
1) The horse was dead.
2) Presumably the horse's head had to be moved.https://t.co/DzJvzthPUg
Anyone...anyone ...who has any interest, involvement or even half baked idea regards this industry knows this exact thing has been going on forever.
It is our dirty little secret.
The second horse I ever raced 'disappeared'...when he was no good...arranged by trainer...
We all know there are no well supervised slaughtermen, well designed facilities, professional staff or process.
We all know these nags are apparent at every country horse sale...
We all know "the doggers" circle and pounce on the pound of flesh when it becomes cheap enough
We all know the numbers bred can never be absorbed by recreational industry, nor would you want that anyways after being trained so restrictively as a racehorse.
The answer if we want to continue racing and grow?
Highly regulated breeding and racing industry...breeding numbers down to 3000 or so....add 50 grand to price of every horse for after career care...which is what it takes for every horse on average...
Financially viable?
Probably not.
Still..it is supposed to be the sport of kings, right?
The most disturbing thing in the show to me was the treatment of the animals from the point they left the racing industry, particularly at the abattoir.
The most disturbing thing in the show to me was the treatment of the animals from the point they left the racing industry, particularly at the abattoir.
Author?
Thought it might be this SNAG but he's instead fretting about foul language in slaughterhouses.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing-gone-to-the-dogs-in-appalling-self-sustaining-circle-of-cruelty-20191018-p53225.html
Author?
Thought it might be this SNAG but he's instead fretting about foul language in slaughterhouses.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing-gone-to-the-dogs-in-appalling-self-sustaining-circle-of-cruelty-20191018-p53225.html
What a load of crap.
If you go home to a steak tonight then don't carry on about horses being killed.
If you have a dog or cat you feed, don't carry on about horses being killed.
If you have ever set a mouse trap, don't carry on about horses being killed.
The more we pander to these beat ups the more ground we lose. Until the :crap: hits the fan and we end up with someone like Trump in power.
After 15 minutes I thought I was watching a well deserved expose of the Abattoir industry.
Shogun I suggest you take a few deep breaths and reread what I said.
Yes it is over reach in the biggest possible way, wanting something banned by meddling in the lives of others (law abiding citizens) simply because you don't like it will never get you anywhere. :bulb:
Can we at least put aside the inherent hatred of Peter V'Landys for a minute and acknowledge that Racing NSW and Racing Victoria actually set aside part of the prizemoney for animal welfare?If you didn't watch it how on earth can you comment on it ?
This is the prizemoney for yesterday's Everest
Of $14,000,000.1st $6,050,000, 2nd $2,140,000, 3rd $1,240,000, 4th $900,000, 5th $680,000, 6th $450,000, 7th $400,000, 8th $400,000, 9th $400,000, 10th $400,000, 11th $400,000, 12th $400,000, Welfare Fund $140,000.
Every race sets aside 1% of prizemoney for the horse's welfare.
I didn't see the program.
Did the ABC acknowledge that? Or did PVL have to point it out?
Racehorses in Australia must be the most privileged animals in the world.
How many animals get CAT scans? Get visits from chiropractors?
The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists. The same sort of people who think it is OK to perform home invasions on farmers they deem to be evil.
The ABC has become a vehicle of lies and half truths.
My advice to people is not to watch it.
If you didn't watch it how on earth can you comment on it ?
The whole story on the ABC was an attack on the racing industry and the fact that it exists. It’s real motivation was not about animal welfare. That is the stick being used on the ignorant public.
First point of question is, Can someone tell me what’s actually wrong with horses being processed for meat consumption?
Where did I comment on the program?
....How is that not a comment on the program!
The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists. The same sort of people who think it is OK to perform home invasions on farmers they deem to be evil.
The ABC has become a vehicle of lies and half truths.
My advice to people is not to watch it.
The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists. The same sort of people who think it is OK to perform home invasions on farmers they deem to be evil.
The ABC has become a vehicle of lies and half truths.
My advice to people is not to watch it.
The whole story on the ABC was an attack on the racing industry and the fact that it exists. It’s real motivation was not about animal welfare. That is the stick being used on the ignorant public.
First point of question is, Can someone tell me what’s actually wrong with horses being processed for meat consumption?
How is that not a comment on the program!
No one is interested in your semantics antics.
And if you must toss grenades you should at least be prepared to revisit them to deal with the consequences.
I don’t think that is the issue WOD re horses being processed for meat or we will all be vegetarians.
Can't agree mate. It may be with racing types like you and me but the way that story was "pieced together" it wasn't about us. It was Joe Average and it wanted to paint a picture, an incorrect & dishonest one, about the racing industry. Joe A wouldn't have a clue how many horses are bred to race they just saw horses abused and ampotion blame....wrongly.
Much to the delight of the "welfare mob"
I can't recall, did the story say how many of those horses were actually ex racehorses?
It is more to do with the fact that we are breeding racehorses for racing and discarding them like garbage.
Again, these are seperate issues. 3 in fact.
1; Personally I dont think we breed to many.
2; Discarding or watage or whatever term wanted is okay by me, we do it with so many other animals. That leads to the 3rd point
3; The tyreatment of those animals was disgusting. That joint should be fined and frankly, those turds who were employees should be imprisioned and their crimian records thoroughly vetted. You know the type that they are
It does not help the ratbags in the programme were also mistreating them at their end too.
I bet nothing happens to them. it appears to me the welfare mob are silent on the criminal individulas
As a society we seem to get very upset when we see cruelty against animals especially when it seems it is a deliberate act.
Not sure we do. wheres the outrage of the bloke who ran over wombats...deliberatley a few weeks back, for example
Horses live for a long time so not sure what the right solution is but a small tax similar to a GST on every foal sold or bred etc would reduce a bit of the angst and provide for the future.
There is but I Totally agree. Not with the $50-K that shogie was asking for :o
The story lumped all of these aspects in together and it is no an all or nothing situation and cant be treated as such
Once again with vague ennui:
The reason I didn't watch the program is that I saw it as the ABC's backing for ratbag left wing animal activists. The same sort of people who think it is OK to perform home invasions on farmers they deem to be evil.
The ABC has become a vehicle of lies and half truths.
My advice to people is not to watch it.
Gintara,
you seem to stain anyone leaning one way as those activists disrupting innocent farmers' property or causing those insane massive traffic disruptions (again punishing innocents).
In fact this is a very wide spectrum.
I was amazed at how civilised the Randwick protest was.
If you were to read the RSPCA's or that earlier mentioned group's manifestos my bet is you would find little about which to disagree.
The National Register is in the process of being implemented. And everyone seems to agree that's necessary.
You should not try to be damaging that move by trying to disunite this fragile country further.
Once again with vague ennui:
In just that segment there are 3 boldified references to the program.
Why are you persisting with this! Everyone has better things to do than wallow in such inconsequentiality.
I happen to be sick to death of the ABC's degenerating wank.
So barring shows like Landline and Hard Quiz I avoid it.
As to the program, it wasn't a monologue but an attempt to be balanced.
I don't recall seeing anyone there from the ratbag fringe.
V'landys was given plenty of air time. He did himself no favours.
Perhaps the program could have been better, but only those who watched it are entitled to judge.
And, as yet, you ain't.
I still don't buy your semantics but will try to move forward.
I don't recall seeing any of those ratbags on the show.
Nor anyone trying to ban racing.
Not even the extremely sensible move of reducing breeding.
And considering that V'landys has censored the media so The Everest propaganda gets no scrutiny, it is highly desirable to broadcast dissent, so as to provide balance.
In summary your prejudice about the program is wrong, and if you want to disagree you need to view it, rather than tilt at imaginary ratbags.
PP, you are now taking a potshot at ABC for delaying the reporting and having a dig at the Everest and also the number of horses being killed because of the delay etc.
At one time I tried reporting dubious practices to the ASX, ASIC and other so-called watchdogs.
Never again!
Almost to a person they bent over backwards to let the shonks off!
My bet is animal welfare watchdogs are equally ineffective and untrustworthy and contacting them prematurely is a great way to ensure nothing gets fixed.
Unapologetically yes I am.
They prepare a story with creepy music and show shocking footage of horses being slaughtered and maintain something needs to be done.
Well I think my questions are quite valid and I'll repeat them.
Question: Did the ABC, or the activists contact the police or racing authorities as soon as they found out about this?
Or were the ABC prepared to let additional racehorses be slaughtered so they could run the story two days before The Everest?
If there was a delay in notifying the authorities, how many extra horses died because of the ABC and will they accept responsibility for this?
If I get a chance I'll post them on one of the ABC's social media feeds.
If they did delay the public knowledge of this so they could run it two days before The Everest they are no better than the parties they are accusing.
My bet is animal welfare watchdogs are equally ineffective and untrustworthy and contacting them prematurely is a great way to ensure nothing gets fixed.
PP, you are now taking a potshot at ABC for delaying the reporting and having a dig at the Everest and also the number of horses being killed because of the delay etc.
Classic case of shooting the messenger.
Jeunes, it is but surely if they truly cared about the animals they would have? You and I know that a couple of minutes of footage doesn't make the story they craved.
Two wrongs don't make a right :bulb:
News Corp had below article on their website. What do you think of below article on the day of the Big Chase? Should'nt they have published it earlier too?
Anger over Australia’s ‘disappeared’ greyhounds
Analysis has raised questions about Australia’s missing greyhounds, with animal rights groups estimating more than 4000 dogs a year have disappeared.
PP7, Gintara and Wily will not be happy until the racing industry are bought to their knees.
And if those 3 are representative of Racing as a whole it will fully deserve it.
Auth I have no idea what you mean? :shrug:
My comments on the program
Sadism and Animal Cruelty
The person hitting horses with polypipe and the ratbags mistreating the horses should be charged with animal cruelty under existing laws.
If the Qld authorities do not do this then the ABC, if they are genuine, should ask questions why this has not been done.
In fact there is a strong argument that the Caboolture abattoir should be closed immediately pending investigation for animal cruelty.
But we know the ABC will not follow up. They have done all they are going to do.
The people filmed are sadists and should not be let near animals.
Unapologetically yes I am.
They prepare a story with creepy music and show shocking footage of horses being slaughtered and maintain something needs to be done.
Well I think my questions are quite valid and I'll repeat them.
Question: Did the ABC, or the activists contact the police or racing authorities as soon as they found out about this?
Or were the ABC prepared to let additional racehorses be slaughtered so they could run the story two days before The Everest?
If there was a delay in notifying the authorities, how many extra horses died because of the ABC and will they accept responsibility for this?
If I get a chance I'll post them on one of the ABC's social media feeds.
If they did delay the public knowledge of this so they could run it two days before The Everest they are no better than the parties they are accusing.
PP7, Gintara and Wily will not be happy until the racing industry are bought to their knees.
And if those 3 are representative of Racing as a whole it will fully deserve it.
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Wiles keeps rabbitting about my supposed silly or outragous 50,000 bond,
WTF has setting a mouse trap got to do with what we saw last night.?
All sentient beings are up for grabs hey?
A cow is a horse is a mouse is a who cares?
Joe Public will not think like that.
After I looked up "sentient", my next query is, who decides which sentient being is worthy of outrage?
Think about that mouse who gets stuck in that trap and slowly dies or chews its leg off to get free. Is it less worthy of your indignation than the horse? Is a cow that is bred for slaughter less worthy? Is the kangaroo you feed to your dog less worthy than your dog? Who decides the order of worthiness now we have taken it away from natural selection?
Joe public is an hypocrite who sits down to watch the ABC in indignation whilst chewing on a Tbone and feeding Pal to his labradoodle and whiskas to his persian.
C'mon Wiles, that's what you pick up on?
Pedantic approach mate..
I will state it again...50 grand is what would be required...say 15 years at $3500 per annum.
My ex racehorse, now 17 years old, would cost me that...lucerne now $37 per bale at local CRT store!
Good article link below...
Note suggestion regards lifelong tracking via blockchain technology...interesting.
Lee Freedman seems depressed by it all...croc tears or ignorant? You decide....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-19/racehorses-slaughter-melbourne-cup-the-everest-racing-industry/11618590
See also https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-18/jockey-laura-cheshire-says-she-failed-after-horse-slaughtered/11618258
Joe public is an hypocrite who sits down to watch the ABC in indignation whilst chewing on a Tbone and feeding Pal to his labradoodle and whiskas to his persian.
A brief re-run tonight on 7.30 Laura Cheshire... Chris Waller appeared in person Lloyd Williams by text and Ian from a stud who buys back any horses from his farm rather than see them slaughtered .....no shows from the so called leaders of the racing industry who were all unavailable.
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/7-30.......story starts around 10.56 minutes
Giddy Down :thumbsd:
The reason Racing NSW didn't appear is probably due to this:
Despite repeated requests from Racing NSW, the ABC has not returned Racing NSW calls so that Racing NSW could correct some of the incorrect facts that were subsequently aired and to provide any evidence so that Racing NSW can successfully investigate and prosecute breaches of the Rules of Racing. This information included evidence that one horse the ABC claimed was destroyed in a knackery was alive and well and that the ABC was aware of such.
https://www.racingnsw.com.au/news/announcements/racing-nsw-response-to-abc-7-30-report/
So Racing NSW are saying that one of the horses claimed to have been destroyed by the ABC is still alive and kicking.
Furthermore, the ABC was in possession of that knowledge when the show was aired. They (the ABC) chose to be dishonest and not correct the error.
You sort of lose credibility when you do something like that.
Typical ABC. Never acknowledge their mistakes. Then they just go mute when confronted with them. emthdown
And added to that they refuse to provide evidence so the matters can be investigated.
As I asked yesterday, how long was the 7.30 report sitting on this story? Surely they were duty bound to provide the RSPCA with evidence as soon as they came into possession of it so that no animal suffered any further.
On the surface of it, it looks like they sat on the story for many months while other horses suffered, especially at the hands of that sadist in Queensland who I hope has been removed from that role and is sent for a psychiatric assessment.
Reprehensible behaviour by the reporter and the ABC if that is the case.
This topic has a long way to run Peter.
The dogged pursuit of this matter has run its course -- the charges are apparently overblown -- a beast up?
...... spare a thought for the Bambis, Bessies and BaaBaas that only ask to be killed softly.
Today I announced an urgent inquiry into the treatment of retired racehorses and animal welfare concerns in dealing with retired racehorses at Queensland abattoirs. #qldpol @MarkFurnerMP @StirlHinchliffe pic.twitter.com/LvkHJG6IuY
— Annastacia Palaszczuk (@AnnastaciaMP) October 22, 2019
Any mistreatment of animals is abhorrent --- but the idea that every racehorse bred gets a pension is daft.True enough and hundreds don't even get an apprenticeship.
The good old ABC seems to be following up on this investigation much closer than the one where the police officer stoned a wombat to death a few weeks ago!
It mustn't have had a name!!
Guys, no one is “shooting the messenger”. Such a cliche is used to shut people down who have different views
The message was the problem. It was a constructed political lie.
I’m happy to have a discussion about the real issues. No one has denied things can be done differently. I have agreed to that that already but it seems to be ignored going by the above posts
The second you were in possession of footage showing such cruelty to animals, and if you were genuinely concerned for the animal's welfare, you would turn the footage over to the RSPCA and get them to act.
But not if you are an "investigative" ABC reporter after fame and fortune.
No. In that case you hang on to it of two years and tell everyone it was "two years in the making".
Then by coincidence, the two years is up two days before The Everest.
The ABC must think we are all fools.
What a disgraceful act of "proxy" abuse of animals.
The ABC should be investigated as part of a wider investigation into the animal cruelty displayed by hidden camera at Caboolture.
There is no evidence of inhumane suffering of animals at Luddenham, although the creepy music might give you the impression that there was.
Even so, under the rules ex NSW racehorses should not end up at Luddenham and Racing NSW have said they will investigate it.
..... time for time out on this thread
I am still waiting for those who are critical of the ABC to give a summation of the News Corp story I posted. Exactly the same scenario but on the day of the Big Chase. So stop being hypocritical and face upto the facts of the wastage issue and stop wasting time on criticising the messenger.
Are you really that simple?
They may be just simple questions but they are also stupid ones.
That's pretty much what Bill Shorten said when people asked him to cost his climate change initiatives :lol:
Of course it was his way of getting out of answering the question.
I've been critical of News Corp quite often.
But this thread is specifically about the sensationalist 7.30 report.
I've got two questions - would appreciate specific answers and not generalizations and obfuscations.
i) Why was this shown 2 days before The Everest?
ii) If you want to report animal cruelty, shouldn't you report it as soon as the evidence presents itself to immediately prevent further cruelty?
Simple questions really.
The ABC is promoting
......... a compulsory birth-to-natural-death entitlement to care for all racehorses enforced by the federal government
The beat up is out of hand!
..... time for time out on this thread
Will the welfare mob or the ABC be at the Echuca sales today......I doubt it
Will the welfare mob or the ABC be at the Echuca sales today......I doubt it
Why the ABC? Did not realise it was their role to monitor this.Wily it doesn't sound like understand much of what goes on at Echuca.
I’m sure it’s not in their interest given there’s over 100 horses being slaughtered with only 2 being thoroughbreds
I thought we were all against horses being sold, potentially to the doggers :chin:
What part of the doco stated majority of slaughtered horses in Aus were racehorses?
The Eucha Sales catalogue today has pictures and some details of breeding for the thoroughbreds and standardbreds on offer the few I looked at were in very poor condition neglected and in need of vet attention.
Giddy Up :beer:
Shogun, sometimes it is a waste of time with pointing the bleeding obvious as the ABC has shown.
People choose to attack the messenger as it is much easier than to criticise Racing bodies and execs such as Vlandys. The fact that they bring politics etc in shows a closeted mind.
It looks like the Racing Bodies decided to follow a leftist media report.
The ABC haters must be having a fit as some of the other media chose to ignore the issue and until they got the go ahead to promote the welfare aspect of Racing.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/superracing/racing-bodies-unite-to-stamp-out-horse-cruelty/news-story/2fb44cc35343c57b38ba8aab7b06d2f9
#cominoutofthewoodwork !
Lloyd calls for whips to go, totally.
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/lloyd-williams-calls-for-whips-to-be-outlawed-20191023
Shogun
I don't believe I have criticized you at all. Your treatment of your horses are your decisions and no-one should have the right to criticize that decision.
As no-one should have the right to criticize those who choose to farm their animals in a humane manner to achieve maximum benefit.
I myself prefer to house my horses in a useful manner with people who love them and care for them and ride them for pleasure, but I am realistic enough to realize all horses aren't suitable to be re-homed.
What I am saying EXACTLY is that any person who thinks that every ANIMAL deserves a paddock and feed for the rest of their natural life is an unrealistic wierdo.
What I am saying exactly is giving an animal a name shouldn't change its status.
What I am saying is instead of pandering to Joe Public and his hypocrisy, educate him as to where his food comes from.
The more rights you give up the less rights you have.
I am still waiting for those who are critical of the ABC to give a summation of the News Corp story I posted. Exactly the same scenario but on the day of the Big Chase. So stop being hypocritical and face upto the facts of the wastage issue and stop wasting time on criticising the messenger.
Shooting the messenger is a cliche that doesn't apply here.
Try and look at it this way.
You are an Investigative reporter who loves animals.
You have seen several horses sold at the Camden sales being loaded on to a truck and you follow it to Luddenham.
What do you do?
Me. I'd be on the phone to the RSPCA asking them to use their powers to stop the slaughter because I love the horses and don't want to see them slaughtered.
What did the actual reporter with the upper class hyphenated surname do?
From what we can tell, sweet fanny adams.
She wasn't going to lose her "story" for anything. She is guilty of animal abuse by her inaction. I hope she sleeps well at night.
Those that I refer to as the general public have already forgotten about it and moved on.
Those on the fringe of the industry and the dishonest welfare mob are the only voices of dissent.
The smart people in the industry will put some systems in place. Sensible systems not hand whringing nonsense
Jeunes I'm fairly sure I responded to that article and I simply dismissed it as it's flawed in the most basic sense. T
he author implied that adoption numbers don't match the number bred. He made zero allowance to any dog retained or homed by the owner of which the vast majority would be. He implied that ever dog that finished racing would go through GAP. It also failed to mention that GRNSW have whole of life tracking, did he bother to check this?
It was a poorly researched piece based on simplistic maths written by someone who has zero understanding of the industry. Pretty much how the McHugh report was formed really :shutup:
Those that I refer to as the general public have already forgotten about it and moved on.Not sure if this is based on something you heard on Macquarie radio, read in the Murdoch press or just your gut feel but Racing Administrators certainly won't be dismissing the threat here.
Those on the fringe of the industry and the dishonest welfare mob are the only voices of dissent.
The smart people in the industry will put some systems in place. Sensible systems not hand whringing nonsense
My cousins a surf life saver and hasn’t a brain in his head
Why on gods name should their opinion matter....especially when it’s wrong.....in my humble opinion
Not sure if this is based on something you heard on Macquarie radio, read in the Murdoch press or just your gut feel but Racing Administrators certainly won't be dismissing the threat here.
I'm sure Racing Vic will be disappointed in the crowd today......no Winx will be the call but turnover and sponsorships will determine racing's future.
#cominoutofthewoodwork !
Lloyd calls for whips to go, totally.
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/lloyd-williams-calls-for-whips-to-be-outlawed-20191023
Lifelong National tracking, better computers, more compliance officers...no..I repeat ...no slaughter at knackery..ever ever.
That's what's happening.
What about the timing, Gin? The ABC was lambasted by some as trying to spoil the Everest.
Any views why the News Corp article appeared on the day of the Chase?
News Corp had below article on their website. What do you think of below article on the day of the Big Chase? Should'nt they have published it earlier too?
Anger over Australia’s ‘disappeared’ greyhounds
Analysis has raised questions about Australia’s missing greyhounds, with animal rights groups estimating more than 4000 dogs a year have disappeared.
news.com.au
October 18, 20195:21pm
Tonight the “world’s richest dog race” — the TAB Million Dollar Chase — will be run in Sydney but for some, the focus will be on the greyhounds who didn’t make it to the track.
Troubling analysis released today has raised questions about Australia’s missing greyhounds, with animal rights groups estimating more than 4000 dogs a year have disappeared just in NSW.
The Coalition for the Protection of Greyhounds believes thousands of greyhounds are still being killed every year.
A previous report from the Special Commission of Inquiry into the Greyhound Racing Industry in NSW highlighted the number of missing dogs could be as high as 80,721 over 12 years.
But since the report was released in 2016, dogs have continued to disappear, according to the Coalition for the Protection of Greyhounds.
The coalition estimates about 4000 greyhounds were unaccounted-for in 2017/18 and a similar amount in 2018/19.
“Nothing has changed,” Coalition vice president Dennis Anderson told news.com.au.
“The business model of the greyhound racing industry relies upon killing the dogs that are no longer profitable,” he said.
“It’s appalling, it’s absolutely appalling.”
The statistics are a sharp contrast to the emotional “Poetry in Motion” ad campaign released to promote tonight’s $1 million race, which celebrates the grace and beauty of the dogs.
Greyhound racing in NSW has been a controversial topic ever since ABC a exposed “live bait” scandal and former NSW Premier Mike Baird attempted to ban the industry in 2016. He backflipped on the decision after a backlash from the industry and community.
Since then the industry has tried to overhaul its practices and image but Mr Anderson believes the missing dogs had likely been killed.
“About 3500 greyhounds were whelped (or born) last financial year but there’s not 3500 people in NSW putting their hand up to adopt a greyhound,” he said.
“If you had 3500 people every year putting their hands up to adopt, obviously the industry wouldn’t destroy the dog.
“But the owners and trainers won’t keep feeding the dogs if they are not profitable. The whole industry is about profit.”
‘WHERE ARE THEY?’
Mr Anderson said confidential documents suggested about 40 per cent of greyhounds weren’t fast enough for the racetrack so of the 4415 greyhounds born in 2015/16, and 3056 in 2016/17, more than 1000 dogs each year should have been adopted.
Added to this should be the greyhounds that were retired.
Assuming they were retired after four years, the coalition believes about 4000 dogs should have been retired bringing the total number of greyhounds available for adoption in 2017/18 to 5810 dogs, and 5605 in 2018/19.
Yet only 1810 were rehomed in 2017/18 by Greyhound Adoption Program NSW and other private rehomers, according to the Greyhound Racing NSW 2018 Annual Report.
“This leaves 4000 unaccounted-for. Where are they?” Mr Anderson said.
‘SANCTIONED ANIMAL CRUELTY’
Animal welfare supporters are expected to protest on Friday night at Glebe’s Millard Reserve when the world’s richest greyhound race, the TAB Million Dollar Chase worth $1 million in prize money, is run.
Animal Justice Party MP Emma Hurst has described the greyhound industry as “government sanctioned animal cruelty”.
“Greyhound racing is a cruel industry built on the backs of thousands of suffering animals,” Ms Hurst said.
“Over the past year the Greyhound Welfare and Integrity Commission has reported over 1300 greyhounds have been injured on the racetrack. That is almost 20 per cent of all dogs who make it to race.
“The reality is this number is likely even higher.”
More than 1000 dogs are injured every year. Pictu Dylan RobinsonSource:News Corp Australia
She said there were no public statistics about how many young dogs were killed because they were considered too slow to win.
“This is an industry lacking in transparency, and integrity,” she said.
“What is very clear is that the number of dogs injured on the racetrack is growing. According to the Commission’s own data, injury incidents have been on the rise since 2016, and this trend is looking to continue.
“These statistics have shocked and outraged the NSW community. Their reaction has made it clear that the cruel greyhound racing industry no longer has a social licence to operate in our state.”
Ms Hurst believes the NSW Government needs to rethink its position on greyhound racing.
The coalition is calling for the industry to fund a sanctuary for greyhounds to live because there are not enough people to adopt them.
It would also like the recommendations of a University of Technology Sydney study done on greyhound racetrack design to be implemented.
The study said tracks should be redesigned to be straight, and not curved, and that the number of racing dogs should be reduced to six, to reduce injuries.
Despite the study being released in 2017, there has been no action so far.
“The industry is failing in its welfare responsibilities and they’re expecting private individuals to clean up the mess created by the industry,” he said.
News.com.au contacted Greyhound Racing NSW for comment but it was unable to respond before deadline.
This thread has gone nuts
........ there is no moral significance in the sale of 'thoroughbred' horse-meat.
The apparent sanctification of any horse deemed 'thoroughbred' is a nonsense -- in this horseless-carriage day and age most horses bred would be 'thoroughbreds'.
Nemesis, the sad part of this debate is the focus by the ABC critics on its reporter than taking umbrage on the Racing bodies for not doing their job properly.
They are all out on the offensive against the reporter for being cruel to the horses.
PP, why is it when people mention Racing bodies, you turn it as against Racing NSW and Vlandys?
Is it a guilty conscience or playing the victim cards or Racing NSW the centre of the universe for you?
Why are you making it personal?
It has nothing to do with me.
I'm asking reasonable questions like:
i) Why did the reporter not report the case of animal cruelty to the RSPCA as soon as she became aware of the shocking case of "horse sadism" displayed at the Queensland abattoir (Qld is not in NSW for those who are not aware)
ii) Why does the ABC not co-operate with Racing NSW to clear up the outstanding 2 horses (out of 10,000 retired racehorses) that seem to be unaccounted for? Is it perhaps because they are more interested in creating a political issue rather than being genuinely concerned for the welfare of horses?
iii) Why does the ABC not correct their error in reporting one horse as having been slaughtered when it was not?
These are specific questions that are not unreasonable, and require specific answers.
If you do not want to answer the questions then fair enough.
But your last response appears to be an attempt to "not" answer the questions by going after me. To paraphrase your own term - don't shoot me I'm just the messenger.
It is the ABC investigative team that should have a guilty conscience if they genuinely love horses as I do.
But their actions indicate that they have no concern for these beautiful animals. Any concerns they do display are disingenuous.
The ABC line is that the show reported that Tahitian Black and the other alive and well horses were reported to have 'ended up at the knackery' but they didn't actually report the horses had been killed.
Pathetic .... the manipulative intent of the reporting is obvious. As obvious as the emotionally manipulative way the show was put together.
The ABC is going down the toilet right behind journalism which was flushed some time ago.
And this doesn't mean the racing industry doesn't have a case to answer about the welfare of horses.
Good points from most today.Jeunes, there is not 3 horses in question.
ABC has a case to answer in regards to the 3 but then again they got the others right and got the debate around the wastage going.
Racing bodies need to answer a few questions including the breeding issue. Some of them have some made good plans for the future which they did not legendary entertain till the ABC report and the disgust of the general public.
To appease everyone we should have an inquiry. This way we hear everyone’s opinion and let the general public decide.
As the Banking Royal Commission showed, it is good to air all sides and if the racing bodies or ABC have nothing to hide, they all will be vindicated.
Jeunes, there is not 3 horses in question.
The ABC story is coming up 2 weeks now and if Tahitian Black and Next of Kin were indeed in the land of the living we would have heard something from RNSW or the D Pfieffer stable.
There is a photo of Reliable Kingdom.....brand and timestamped.
If Tahitian Black and Next of Kin had been identified at point of sale and been sold privately the sale-yards could have notified RNSW of their whereabouts.
Some sellers go to some lengths with info about the horse at sale-yards but most are just dumped there.
In the most recent 7.30 story, the reporter Caro Meldrum-Hanna was advised by owners, breeders and trainers that horses Tahitian Black, Next of Kin and Reliable Kingdom were alive and well.
This was before the airing of the show. She failed to acknowledge these claims.
:chin: :chin: :chin:
Are 'all racehorses' to be well looked after until they die naturally?
The nonsense of this is so clear as to defy extended comment that might legitimize the concept
Mercifully .... ........along the way this thread has degenerated into the irrelevant and trivial bickering and backbiting that defined the culture in 6th class at St Shelia's in the 1960s.
....... Will pope Francis be asked to follow Caligula and make horses human?
You are being nothing more than a pest here Peter.
Are 'all racehorses' to be well looked after until they die naturally?
The nonsense of this is so clear as to defy extended comment that might legitimize the concept
Mercifully .... ........along the way this thread has degenerated into the irrelevant and trivial bickering and backbiting that defined the culture in 6th class at St Shelia's in the 1960s.
....... Will pope Francis be asked to follow Caligula and make horses human?
This thread has gone nuts
........ there is no moral significance in the sale of 'thoroughbred' horse-meat.
The apparent sanctification of any horse deemed 'thoroughbred' is a nonsense -- in this horseless-carriage day and age most horses bred would be 'thoroughbreds'.
Napes, if you think Mr Trump represents some majority, I stand by my probably rude statement...are you, or your world view really that simple? Sorry for playing the man, how about a statement like "anyone buying into the story that Donald Trump represents a majority of Americans is simple in their world view and simple in their apparent inability to analyse plain facts"
Secondly, if you can settle and re read my little Duke story , I was alluding to the very hypocracy that you have your knickers in a knot about...suggesting that was generally what us humans do....we have funny, sometimes silly delineation between some species, or indeed, same species..
Now, how about these revelations proving Racing NSW knew.....errr....busted!
Now a bloody Royal Commision is coming maybe....
Just to clear up the last known whereabouts of Tahitian Black.
The ABC were told by some of the former owners they did not know where he had ended up.
One former owner put in writing that the horse had been put through the sales........it's pretty safe to say then that the horse who was identified through his brand as Tahitian Black at Burn's Pet Foods was Tahitian Black.
Took me 5 minutes to find that out......google Tahitian Black.....The Land......racehorse slaughter.
RIP Tahitian Black And Next of Kin.
In the most recent 7.30 story, the reporter Caro Meldrum-Hanna was advised by owners, breeders and trainers that horses Tahitian Black, Next of Kin and Reliable Kingdom were alive and well.
This was before the airing of the show. She failed to acknowledge these claims.
:chin: :chin: :chin:
So not to be rude folks but is it dead or not.Wily?
Race record below.
https://m.racingzone.com.au/horse/695744/tahitian-black
So Wily, is there proof to say the two Nemesis mentioned are still alive?Why is the silence so deafening on this one?
Funny that some of our biggest breeders namely John Messara, Gerry Harvey and Alan Jones are usually such vocal types.....not a word on this just some criticism of the ABC.
https://www.rsn.net.au/horse-wastage-breeders-you-can-fix-this/?fbclid=IwAR0jYnB_nny8wabdVn-2kWEs9oGS3Rczkj7x154i249Gp-YxtEzekEQhxlQ
One of the images in the 7.30 report that stuck in my mind was that pen full of frightened young horses at Meramist.
The ABC apologists just refuse to discuss or answer the highlighted bit.
The ABC and their "investigative" team couldn't give a stuff about horse cruelty.
So here is a question for the ABC attackers and apologists, do you think we should have an inquiry?
It is a simple question.
Then we should put questions to everyone including the ABC reporters and the racing bodies. The questions of wastage, breeding numbers, non reporting of cruelty etc could be answered.
Now we can work out who is willing to look at all angles or those who want a cover up.
I would be interested to see what the response to an inquiry would be now.
Where does the '16 out of 10,000' figure come from?
I know the ABC found around 16 in places they weren't supposed to be in a very short space of time.......don't tell from here.
P V'Landys has the figure at 1% but somehow you've managed a figure of 0.16%.
Racing won't be going far but I can see it being in a reduced form.
People might even get the Mel Cup they desire because if the money not there internationals won't come.
On greyhounds, if someone here would like to do the pup's whelped, dog's named, dog's retired and dog's re-homed figures that would be good.....we can make an allowance for some trainers who keep their dogs.
The figures look decidedly rubbery to me.
So you use industry figures to support your claim.....Truly?....in another world that's called propaganda.
The more you speak about this it just becomes more clear, you have absolutely no idea!
I'll give you credit for your form pieces you put up here.....I don't read them but they might be good.
Don't write stuff about a subject that you have not researched.
Simply by asking me about that 1% you continue to show your complete lack of knowledge on this subject.
It was the basis of the whole 7.30 report.
Don't quote me RNSW figures.....they are total BS.
On greyhounds, if someone here would like to do the pup's whelped, dog's named, dog's retired and dog's re-homed figures that would be good.....we can make an allowance for some trainers who keep their dogs.
The figures look decidedly rubbery to me.
We should put V’landys, AJ, ABC, VRC head Amanda, Lloyd Williams, Michelle Payne, Peter Fitzsimmons on an episode of Play School or Sesame Steet version of a MC.
Would be interesting to see what happens and who wins.
Pirate Pete either wouldn't show up for fear of being exposed or he's nobble everyone so he'd clean up with his dodgy 'facts'
From many years of experience I can tell you, whoever is the blue horse is gunna win.
What is the paranoia than any anti Racing or ABC report supporters are all against V’Landys only. ....Either you work for him or his publicist that any critics of racing must be targeting him.
If it trends, Vlandys will have a fit.
Meanwhile consider V'landys' effort as reported by one outlet under his control.
Who is stupid enough to swallow his crap about being under resourced!
Jones and V'landys in their fantasy world.
No, I'm explaining V'landys' cop out.
The worst part of the whole issue is the perception of some racing enthusiasts and administrators, it is a beat up by the activists and ABC.
The racing industry including Racing NSW have lived in an insular world ....
Vlandys better get used to the hard questions as there will be a follow up report and he will not be able to control it.
The reason this was added was to stop RNSW doing exactly what they are saying that these are not NSW horses.
P V'Landys was being challenged on his 1% figure and that's why he looked so uncomfortable because he knows it's BS......let's not even mention J Dumesny feeble effort.
V'landys was given plenty of air time. He did himself no favours.
If Racing NSW is concerned about one horse being alive what about the other horses and the general question of do they track all the horses etc.
Thanks for posting that article PP
I couldn't agree more
PP, after reading the article from Nick Cater and then reading your post re V’Landys, I don’t get it.
What is the paranoia than any anti Racing or ABC report supporters are all against V’Landys only.
You have no idea PP7.
RNSW in their welfare policy state that only 1% of racehorses 'that leave the track' go to slaughter.
They also state that no racehorses can be put through unauthorised sales.......Racing Vic do not make these claims and nor do Queensland.
The ABC in no time at all completely blew those ridiculous claims out of the water......and for that P V'Landys deserves to be criticised.
You have no idea PP7.
RNSW in their welfare policy state that only 1% of racehorses 'that leave the track' go to slaughter.
They also state that no racehorses can be put through unauthorised sales.......Racing Vic do not make these claims and nor do Queensland.
The ABC in no time at all completely blew those ridiculous claims out of the water......and for that P V'Landys deserves to be criticised.
Any objective person reading this thread would be hard pressed to find evidence of hatred directed at P V'Landys.
The only hatred on here is directed at the ABC and one post here (was subsequently modified) was absolute hatred towards the reporter.
Your big thumbs up I suppose means you must have liked it and I did wonder if you had seen it in it's original form.
Considering it was based on a total bull shit story in the Courier Mail......well, says a lot.
Are you suggesting that a camera set up at Luddenham or Burns Pet foods is going to show thoroughbreds getting treated much differently.......a bolt misfired or a bullet a bit wide of the mark?
Don't even mention saleyards because it is clear you haven't been near one and don't speak to people that have.
The figures from the Cup carnival will tell the tale of what is acceptable in the eyes of the public.
How are we going to pay for P V'landys grand plans? ......surely a question floating around the corridors at RNSW.
I can't be bothered answering your stupid questions......
You noting this down Jeunes :lol:
If I may. The beef is that bugger all seems to be pinned on RQ, The ABC, Qld Government, The abattoir or the fithly criminal turds beating the shutout of animals
The worlds going to hell in a hand basket and according to most here it’s PV’s fault🤮
Over to PP to explain it more eloquently
Another interesting viewpoint from both sides. Life is changing.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/the-melbourne-cup-hit-by-protests-after-horse-deaths/news-story/f9948e85ad3a3b68cde5d197292e65f2
Then all of a sudden we have 6 deaths in 6 years??
Groupthought hey?
I knew someone would find a way to align the Catholic church with the Racing industry.
Poor old mistakenly maligned organisations, hey?
Dear oh dear.
Reply #266.
PP's list of issues he thinks we are all being told how to react to, by that nasty group called the rational majority.
He calls us "groupthinkers"...
Reads like a list from Sky news program...suprise surprise.
It was a great article and I must try and get time to read the book "The Madness Of Crowds" by Douglas Murray.
I read a book over a decade ago by Shelly Gare called "The Rise and Rise of the Air Heads" that was a portent to some of the stuff we are seeing with "Groupthink".
Sanctimonious people telling you the "correct" way to think on all sorts of issues - animal activism, Climate Change, coal mining, electric cars, transgender, Israel Folau, Gay Marriage, gender equity, George Pell, black armband history, disingenuous apologies, Donald Trump, Brexit, The Big Banks, The Catholic Church, acceptable language...I could go on.
Scratch the surface of a Groupthinker and there is usually a hypocrite underneath.
I had to go back and look that one up.
And what a gem of wisdom it was too :angel:
I think the irony is that Group Thinkers are perceived to be hypocrites while the opposing views don’t see themselves in that way.
The only cure for that is having a fist fight we can bet on the outcomes. :lol:
Aaaah...another ole straw man argument...thats right, no-one can have an opinion on climate change unless they live
in a cave and subsist on native grasses and have no phone.
PP, I concur with you but it is both sides of the politics in this.
We gave Morrison taking aim at activism but we have lobby groups who spruik for banks, mining companies, insurance companies, gambling agencies etc. The lobbyists hide behind an impressive name with Council or Authority or Body as part of it to give it a perceived official or regulatory authority.
The activists on the other hand are either a rabble or not wealthy enough to be like that so they use social media or physical status for their actions.
Don’t get me started on media balance too as there is usually no middle political coverage. I am using a 50/50 or even a 40/60 coverage of one side. Media and journalists like ABC, AJ, Bolt etc may criticise their sides at times but rarely ever credit the opposing view on a equal basis as they do their own.
We have ministers who have criticised the Chinese influence but are happy to take their money and allow their students in. They are either stupid or weak depending on your point of view. It is like fighting with a relative but happy to take their money. Not fair for China either way to be hypocritical.
Hypocrisy is real in the world.
What’s going on PP, we are agreeing with each other at times.
I do have a soft spot for Leicester but my team is chasing their first title in 30 years so pardon me if I hope all the teams behind the Reds fail.
Liverpool will come down with the Xmas decorations. Remember my words. :biggrin:
The Foxes are poised for another title. Treated Arsenal with contempt and we were very unlucky not to get a draw at Anfield a few weeks back.
How are Queens Park Rangers going nowadays
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Last time I watched English soccer Phil Parks was in goal and Stan Bowles & Terry Vennables we’re on fire
What a shabby effort by RNSW after 3 weeks of pondering time.
Discrediting your accuser is a tired, worn out line of defense.
Why not came up with something like....."in 2016 there were 5000 thoroughbred foals born and we can account for X many.
Our OTT farms employ X amount of people and we have re-homed X amount of racehorses.
We have employed a full time welfare compliance officer and so on.".......That's a proper line of defense
Whatever the figure was then it would be up to people to make up their own minds of what's acceptable.
I think it needs to be a little bit of column A & column B Nemisis.Gintara , I'm quite happy to concede that the reporter doesn't like racing.......my grand daughter gives me a hard time too if she catches me watching it......and she's 8
I like what racing NSW has done, it certainly brings in question the motives and lack of objectivity from Caro Meldrum Hanna :bulb: but they now need to follow up with their own facts to set the record straight and push back, wave it under the ABC's nose and ask why they failed to report the truth. :tin:
Now the usual conservatives and Racing NSW supporters on the bandwagon.
Gintara , I'm quite happy to concede that the reporter doesn't like racing.......my grand daughter gives me a hard time too if she catches me watching it......and she's 8
The questions Caro Meldrum Hanna posed deserved answers.
There is nothing in that response from RNSW that would bother the ABC around fairness.
This day has been coming for a long time and racing chiefs should have been fully prepared for it.
Having the answers to some pretty obvious questions around wastage would have been a good start.
What is the truth you are talking about?
You can't blame anyone for not embracing greyhound racing when tying a piglet to an arm is all in a day's work to some......nor watching racehorses getting the fur whupped off them.
It looks a cruel industry to many.
The article on the Racing NSW website has more detail about the discredited ABC report than is in the newspaper articles
https://www.racingnsw.com.au/news/announcements/summary-of-complaint-by-racing-nsw-chairman-russell-balding-ao-to-david-anderson-abc-managing-director/
It is disappointing that neither the ABC nor other parties involved in the two-year period of putting the program together apparently saw fit to report to authorities, when they became aware of the cruelty. While not within the ambit of this complaint, it is a matter for the ABC, as a public agency with integrity responsibilities, to consider. If the ABC has any evidence of abuse of thoroughbreds within the jurisdiction of Racing NSW, we would expect that such evidence be brought to Racing NSW’s attention as soon as possible.
Nemisis I think you're missing the point - I'm in no way defending 'racing' I'm on record for handing back my ATC membership over PV's actions during the greyhound ban, he was dancing on the grave instead of rallying to another codes defence.Gintara, the ABC did a story about the huge number of racehorses going to slaughter......contrary to what the industry wants to tell everybody.
I pointed out then that their day will come and wastage will be the issue.
Still the release today is direct & to the point asking questions & pointing out failings, the program was a hatchet job and spun with little chance of defence from the industry. The casual observer with little knowledge now believes racing is evil & cruel :bulb:
From a mob who is meant to be our national broadcaster it's a travesty that such twisted stories are allow to air with little to no balance. emthdown
Gintara, the ABC did a story about the huge number of racehorses going to slaughter......contrary to what the industry wants to tell everybody.
So the balance here is for the industry to prove that they don't......and so far they can't.......and those reasons are obvious.
So what do they do then?......attack the credibility of the ABC......just as greyhound people did.......won't work!
As far as the timing of the 7.30 report goes......what's a good time or the right time as far as you are concerned?
The hypocrisy is that the Racing media are covering Racing NSW’s response in great detail but gave fleeting mention to the horse wastage issue previously.
By the way has everyone noticed there is no mention of defamation at all. Wonder why if Racing NSW and Vlandys feel they have been misrepresented. If I was represented as unfairly as they think they have, you would believe a court victory will be vindication.
Some would have you believe It's all about the animals PP :shutup:
There is no hypocrisy.
As stated by Racing NSW
Yet there is no effort by the program to explain that Racing NSW has no association with, or control over, Queensland’s Meramist Abattoir or was aware of the atrocities occurring at that facility. Further, no substantive evidence of these serious and unfounded allegations are presented on the program.
So the question is why in your post are you not mentioning Racing Qld or Racing Victoria? Why are you even mentioning Racing NSW?
In fact you and nemisis do not seem to know that Meramist is in Queensland? Or that animal cruelty is covered by the Queensland state legislature and has nothing to do with RQ? It certainly has nothing to do with Racing NSW.
Yet the program quite clearly tried to put the blame on Racing NSW for everything that was shown.
nemisis will carry on about racehorses in abattoirs conveniently ignoring the fact that NSW is the first state to have banned racehorses being sent for slaughter in this state.
14 cases out of 10,000 retired racehorses is not a systemic issue.
In fact if the ABC co-operated the 14 cases could be cleared up.
But they are not. They do not care about horses. It is all about "the story" - one which has been sensationalized to the point it is inaccurate. emthdown
So V’Landys thinks he should be given a list of questions prior to an interview and not be ambushed.
Is this a joke? I do hope he gets used to unprepared questions when the NRL media go after him.
He must be used to the fawning Racing media and AJ etc if he thinks he should get a free ride.
I think this is an ego issue. I laughed at reference to the tweets etc. They got people for that but not for going to horse sales in Camden or even the nous to check ABNs properly.
In reference to the bandwagon, the ABC haters go straight into reduce funding etc. I for one will protest that as I do like the British shows on there.
But in a serious note, ok I lie, it is hilarious to see that V’Landys declined to go on a media conference but decides to go on AJ’s show. However when the ABC reporter refers question to her head, it is not ok. Vlandys is a CEO.
Then we have people criticising the ABC reporter for breaching her social media policy but majority of these people support Folau’s breach of his social media policy.
The hypocrisy is amazing but due to the blinkers, people cannot see it.
The ABC has a case to answer with the delays etc. I think that should be the forefront of the inquiry.
I hope the defenders of Racing NSW are going to ask for the banning of a urrent affair and all unscripted interviews anywhere.
Vlandys win at all cost attitude is hilarious. NRL clubs are going to have some fun times. If he gets one complaint proven and rest rejected will still be a win for him once the spin doctors get ahold of it.
Oh PP, it is hilarious to see how much any criticism of V’landys annoys you. He is the CEO of Racing NSW. The buck stops with him as he is the CEO. We see it all the time in business world and in government. That is why the CEOs get paid the big bucks.
Unlike you, I can also see both sides of V’landys. I give praise and criticise where I think is warranted.Thus if you go through some of my posts on V’landys topics, you will see that.
However I do doubt if you can do that. I might be maligning you but if you could quote 10 of your posts taking a stand against Vlandys on any issue I would issue an unreserved apology that you are a V’landys apologist.
This debate reminds me of politics. Each side refusing to acknowledge middle voters and saying, if you are not for me, you are against me. No difference between conservatives and activists when it comes to that. The closeted mind but they will preach far and wide how open they are and the other side does not respect their views.
I fear the V’landys debate is just that. It is one side or the other. No objectivity from his apologists or critics.
The Final Race was shown on TV on 17th October the ABC response in the link posted by nemisis is dated 24th October...... RNSW complaint to the ABC was dated 14 November the question is was RNSW aware of the follow up ABC report of 24th October...... likely to be more correspondence if the ABC considers there are issues not responded to previously.
I imagine Hardwick stud would have been visited by this if RNSW was aware of it being named in the 24th October response.
Giddy Up :beer:
Don't follow RNSW lead with the character assassination of the reporter, instead offer some ideas around improving the lot of racehorses.
It's a game of inches Nemisis and no doubt racing needs to take steps forward but remember - two wrongs don't make it right. :bulb:14,000 horses being bred into an industry that needs 9,000 is not a game of inches.
Caro Meldrum will probably win an award for this but like she did with the greyhounds, she stood by while others suffered all in the name of her 'story'
How anyone can be ok with that is mind numbing. emthdown
14,000 horses being bred into an industry that needs 9,000 is not a game of inches.
PP, why do you stick with the figure of 14? My understanding is the ABC report was based on a coverage of 22 days so if the 14 you are referring to could be over just 22 days. Is there any evidence to support that it was 14 over a whole year?
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-18/slaughter-abuse-of-racehorses-undermines-industry-animal-welfare/11603834?pfmredir=sm
14,000 horses being bred into an industry that needs 9,000 is not a game of inches.!
Below is a link that Arsenal posted which contradicts V’landys and Racing NSW knowledge of Camden sales.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/racing-nsw-told-about-prohibited-thoroughbred-sales-2018-emails/11633132?pfmredir=sm
It allegedly contradicts V'Landys.
What happened to the one eyed filly wouldn't have happened if they banned horses being slaughtered in abattoirs.
Racing NSW told Ms Jorgensen it could not act because the business is in Victoria, but there is a business with an almost identical name belonging to the owner of NSW knackery Burns Pet Foods
Are you saying that Racing NSW is lying? Is there not a business in Victoria with a similar name that could have been deliberately involved to flout the laws by deception? Do you know this for sure?
And be very careful supporting people like Mehreen Faruqi calling for Royal Commissions.
If she has her way there will be no horse racing any more.
And can I once again labour the very point made by Racing NSW in their complaint
Yet there is no effort by the program to explain that Racing NSW has no association with, or control over, Queensland’s Meramist Abattoir or was aware of the atrocities occurring at that facility. Further, no substantive evidence of these serious and unfounded allegations are presented on the program.
The purpose of creating a false narrative where Racing Victoria and Racing Queensland are excluded from any discussion is part of the "pile on".
This discredits a lot of critics and it is getting to the point you just have to conclude that a lot of this is driven by their hatred of one person rather than a genuine concern for animal welfare.
So when Racing NSW said in a statement they had no knowledge of Camden Sales but Racing NSW has sent a letter advising Ms Jorgensen they could not act, who is telling the “alleged” truth or which “truth” from Racing NSW we should believe. PP, I like you to advise which “alleged truth@ to believe?
The other issue is that Racing NSW could not put two and two together after they were advised of the pet food supplier name etc. it is like someone saying in because there are people with similar names, it is too hard to dig further. That is not compliance, it is laziness
If that is Racing NSW way of handling investigations, there is a big issue especially as the response was within 24 hours.
Honest questions.
Can you point me in the direction of the relevant legislation where it says Racing NSW is responsible for cruelty to animals and racehorses being slaughtered in NSW abattoirs?
And just so we don't perpetuate the false narrative about this being a Racing NSW issue alone (NSW has led the way in horse welfare), do you know what the responsibilities are of Racing Queensland and Racing Victoria in respect of horse welfare?
This is the link for NSW Prevention of Cruelty To Animals Act.
I looked but I couldn't see where it says Peter V'Landys is responsible for the welfare of every racehorse in NSW
https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdb/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/poctaa1979360/
Looking forward to your answers emthup
So when Racing NSW said in a statement they had no knowledge of Camden Sales but Racing NSW has sent a letter advising Ms Jorgensen they could not act, who is telling the “alleged” truth or which “truth” from Racing NSW we should believe. PP, I like you to advise which “alleged truth@ to believe?
The other issue is that Racing NSW could not put two and two together after they were advised of the pet food supplier name etc. it is like someone saying in because there are people with similar names, it is too hard to dig further. That is not compliance, it is laziness
If that is Racing NSW way of handling investigations, there is a big issue especially as the response was within 24 hours.
14,000 horses being bred into an industry that needs 9,000 is not a game of inches.
I understand early Wednesday is horse kill day at Meramist and I can't see how footage from this week will look a lot better than what we saw in the 7.30 report.
Your disdain for the reporter has been obvious from the start here and on any other threads that her name gets a mention.......unfortunately!
Nemisis by game of inches I mean moving forward. You can expect racing to suddenly be perfect, it takes time to establish and importantly police the correct policies.
You're correct and she deserves every bit of disdain too. I my eyes she's an agenda driven activist who twists what she can to suit her spiel. If she told me the sky was blue I'd go out and check - that's how much I believe her 'facts' emthdown
If you read all my posts, you would see all the Racing bodies have a responsibility. The difference is Queensland is having an inquiry while Racing Victoria are starting dialogue moving forward. Those bodies chose not to attack ABC but handle the root cause which causing the non racing public and sponsors issues.
Yeah they are not attacking the ABC because they weren't attacked in the first place and aren't falsely being portrayed as the devil in all of this. They are way behind NSW in horse welfare.
"Racing Victoria are starting dialogue moving forward"
:lol:
... while Racing Victoria are starting dialogue moving forward.
I notice that you said you were working in Melbourne.
Do you work for the Victorian public service Jeunes?
That's the sort of thing people say when they are doing nothing :shutup:
Nice try Peter’s Pen. I said I was in Melbourne for the weekend but then again your attention to detail is similar to your pal Peter. :lol:
Like your pal, you have failed to answer the questions asked of you. The only difference is you have been given ample opportunities and yet failed to come out and answer the question.
Peter’s Pal, I am a Sydneysider through and through. Love Sydney and unlike you, I don’t have an agenda.
Your agenda is to protect Peter at all costs so do you work for Peter or is it another question you cannot answer?
I'll immediately start a dialogue on your questions moving forward..........
Peter Pen will be aghast and attack this but here goes.
The TAB is impacted as much as the corporates which is why they are closing down their rewards system.
The problem we have is this year for the first time racing bodies funding will reduce because turnover decreased.
My suspicion is their reaction will be to increase the fees to bookies to make up for this shortfall. The bookies will then pass this impost in to the punter in the form of worse prices and turnover will further decrease because of less recycling.
All of this is exasperated in NSW as a result of money wasted on the back of providing these stupid high prize money races so millionaires like Nev Morgan and battlers such as the blue team and Waller slot holders can get more money.
Peter’s Pen, I knew you would ignore certain aspects etc to push Peter’s point of view.
I never said Vlandys was in strife or his job under threat. You acknowledged it in one of your paragraphs then made your conclusion as usual by implying that his job is under threat and that was the “flavour” of my post.
His job is not under threat. My point was there are some people in the racing industry in NSW not happy with him. Big difference, Peter’s Pen.
I also noticed there was no comment from you why some of our more prominent industry figures did not come in support of Racing NSW’s stance against the ABC.
It is like politics, you are never going to get everyone to like you or agree with all your decisions. The art is how you sell your decisions.
The consumption tax is an interesting animal in itself. Short term it has boosted prizemoney, infrastructure etc. Long term, I am not sure as people on this forum have debated both sides including drops in turnover.
Racing like many sports have lower attendance in the last 5-10 years. Winx and the Everest arrested the flow to some extent. The challenge for all Racing Bodies and yes, Peter’s Pen is how to attract the crowd on a regular basis without spending too much on marketing or music artists after the races.
Also I stand to be corrected but some of the farms of Racing NSW and Victoria which were supposed to host ex racehorses are still not operational. The upkeep of them for the racing bodies will be a few $ and we all know that if any media organisation did a story next year on it, there will be more scrutiny.
Mate can I respectfully point out that you are rambling. It is becoming difficult to read your posts.The only person here who rambles is you.......Jeunes is a well-considered guy.
Re-read what you are about to post before you hit the Post button and remove any wasted words. Makes for a better read emthup
Hatchet job or not at least it has made racing jurisdictions more accountable now evidenced by WA buying a farm to home and retrain former gallopers.That is a good thing.
The only person here who rambles is you.......Jeunes is a well-considered guy.
This is a subject that only become of interest to you a few days after it's airing.
I repeat every time you post something here you demonstrate how completely clueless you are.
When a horse is in the killing chute about to go into knock box at Meramist you seem to think there is someone you can call to "rescue" it.
Understand this .....both Victoria and RNSW do not pull horses off Peter Loffell's truck, even when made aware of some of the cargo, and once aboard and deposited in what ever condition they reach Caboolture in, they are friendless (as are all the horses there).....no rescue.....no nothing!
Can you tell me how The Everest is bad for turnover as you imply?
How much did Ladbrokes hold on The Everest this year? How much in the first year? How much 10 years ago - oh hang on they didn't have it then.
There has been a quantum increase in prizemoney on the ground in both NSW and Victoria with a lot more going back to the battling trainer with initiatives like paying down to 10th place. The Highways. Country Championship. The Kosciusko. It doesn't just go to the millionaires as you imply. Cathleen Rode who won the Country Championship a few years back is no millionaire. What you say is parroting a false narrative.
In fact there has never been a better time (statistically) in our history to be a racehorse owner - at least in NSW and Victoria.
Australia is far more egalitarian than any other country. Of course there are rich racehorse owners - like Lloyd Williams, Godolphin. It has always been like that. What makes you think it was any different in the past? You would never have had owners like the owners of Redzel in the past.
You speak of margins for the bookmaker.
From where I sit the turnover in racing is dropping because the period of flagrant over promotion performed by Corporates in order to get business when they first entered the Australian market has come to end.
William Hill, Luxbet, Tom Waterhouse, bookmaker.com, Crown and a stack of others. All gone.
There was a golden period where it was pretty hard to lose as a punter. I can remember William Hill paying you a bonus bet if your horse finished in the first half of the field!! How can you possibly lose?
And now they are broke. Wonder how that happened?
Of course turnover was going to plateau. And then when the dust settled and we are left with two main Corproates plus TAB (probably still one to fall off the perch yet) the promotions are wound down. Subsequently the turnover falls.
Then along comes the South Australian government with the brainstorm of a Point Of Consumption tax which other states follow suit. That exacerbates the problem.
But how has that got anything to do with The Everest, The Hunter or any other race?
This madness brought in by Corporate bookmakers was always going to end in tears. Don't you dare go blaming someone else!!
PP
Everest isnt bad for turnover its great and a great product from a bookies point of view. However it isn't great for racing as it isnt yet providing enough turnover to pay for itself. SO the punter pays for it. The other new races are a collossal waste of money.
You are guessing that the turnover issue is promotions but I know that it margin that is killing turnover. On a day a large corporate loses they may turn over 30% more than when they win because the punters have money to keep betting.
A 3% rise in margin which is what has happened across the board over the industry has seen in the last 18 months is killing turnover because the bookies are winning to quickly.
We are in a vicious spin, raise prizemoney, racing bodies charges bookies more to pay for it, so the bookies charge clients more to pay the increased fees.
This model has worked for many years, we have now reached the point where what the bookies are charging the punters in the form of bad pricing is killing recycling and thus turnover.
Regardless of where we have come from, it is the next move on funding that will either push Racing down the path PVL led harness racing (by doing nothing) alternatively some initiative is shown and the model is tweaked.
Lets revisit this in two years and see who is correct.
Mate can I respectfully point out that you are rambling. It is becoming difficult to read your posts.
Re-read what you are about to post before you hit the Post button and remove any wasted words. Makes for a better read emthup
Does this mean Peter’s Pen that you will answer questions asked of you before you ask any questions?
No it means I am getting bored reading the same stuff re-hashed.
I find it much more interesting talking to fours about Mongolian coal.
Racing NSW released a statement advising they did not know racehorses were sent to Camden sales even though they were alerted to it previously and responded to it saying the horse was sold to owners not in NSW. So was the statement a lie?
Were Racing stewards not competent when they looked at the ABNs concerned and said one of them was in Victoria and not looking at the other one which was for a company linked to a NSW pet food maker. This was after the general public alerted them to it.
PP, please stop putting words in people’s mouths regarding if it is ok for the report to have taken two years etc and cruelty aspects..
I have consistently asked for an inquiry so that the ABC, Racing bodies including your hero Vlandys can face questions.
The questions should include why it took so long to report the cruelty and questions for all Racing bodies regarding tracking etc.
Vlandys can answer the questions you have refused to answer previously ie did Racing NSW know about Camden Horse Sales considering they had a person write to them and they responded back so why the denials. Also how come they could not do a simple ABN search as alluded in some of the stories posted by others.
Below is a link that Arsenal posted which contradicts V’landys and Racing NSW knowledge of Camden sales.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/racing-nsw-told-about-prohibited-thoroughbred-sales-2018-emails/11633132?pfmredir=sm
Everyone is accountable for this mess including the ABC and Racing Bodies so let’s find the truth. I think having everyone under the microscope and having people finally respond to questions under oath will give an inclination to the public that no one is above facing scrutiny.
...and your answer to my question is.......more obfuscation.
Do you want me to spell it out for you Peter’s Pen.
The ABC should be facing questions why it took so long to report the cruelty. It should be part of any inquiry.
Racing NSW’s misleading statement based on ignorance and negligence should be subject to the same inquiry.
I am impartial and let’s go after the truth and if jail time comes out of it I can live with that.
At the end of the day, the report exposed cruelty at the abattoirs and negligence on part of the Racing bodies on horses sent to Abattoirs or lack of investigations. Non reporting is cruel too.
Don’t you want the real truth and have all cover ups exposed PP or “can’t you handle the truth”?
Haven't seen anything from RNSW on the Hardwicke Stud expose sending unwanted stock to the knackery you would think they've checked the story out and if substantiated apply the rules.
Giddy Up :beer:
I must say it’s finally good to hear that from someone🍾.....unless I missed it previously, which is possible
Below was the follow up that was posted by quite a few posters so not sure why you are saying that I am accusing Racing NSW when there is a contradiction of their statements.
My view has never changed. Accountability for all involved.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/racing-nsw-told-about-prohibited-thoroughbred-sales-2018-emails/11633132?pfmredir=sm
It's a horse sale Wily.......nothing outrageous about that .......is there?
Well, given they're going to the doggers I would suggest there is a story there but wether that story has enough for the outrage mob........................im not sure :chin:
I don't think there could be anyone who could look any sillier on this topic other than you PPP7.
Up until page 14 on this thread you are talking about only 9 NSW thoroughbreds found at Meramist.
Then you produce a statement from Hardwicke Stud (NSW) that shows that's where all their unwanted stock ended up.......yearlings too! ......are you really trying to support your argument here :what:
The only thing anyone could take from the fact that there was a penful of Hardwicke stock at Meramist together is that they had been given away together..... to a kill buyer.
Please note Hardwicke Stud "was among a number of studs named in the report"
I hope you also noted the part about the market for the middle and lower thoroughbreds collapsing .......just more evidence about way too many thoroughbreds being produced.
This is the huge problem for the racing industry........like the 7.30 report said "industrial scale"
Please don't make me repeat the horses names again that went through Camden.......nothing singular about it.
I'm fully aware of just how devastating the drought is .......so no lectures on that!
That is real picky that is.I'm happy to rest my case if you desist in posting here.....this is a subject you have not thought about .......ever!
And can I point out the obvious exaggeration
Note the use of the plural - thoroughbreds
There are growing calls for a royal commission into the racing industry after the ABC revealed emails proving Racing NSW was told more than a year ago about the unauthorised sale of thoroughbreds for slaughter at a livestock auction in Camden, NSW.
Then we go to singular
But former trainer Sandra Jorgensen said she reported to Racing NSW in mid-2018 the sale of a branded, one-eyed filly at Camden to a business run by a killbuyer
The subsequent calls for a Royal Commission based on this single event are laughable.
It is a horrible story. And the person at the abattoir who wouldn't sell the filly back is deserving of some form of punishment.
But the over-reach is just out of all proportion. It is one case.
When compared to "God knows how many" extra horses suffered because of the inaction of the ABC, it is trivial.
......what punishment does PPP7 have in mind?..... you don't have to answer!.......nor thank me for a bit of education.
Well thank the Lord F. Christ for that.You've got nothing ....have you? PPP7
That froth coming out of your mouth must be clouding the screen - you are still putting three P's in my name.
You've got nothing ....have you? PPP7
If you modify your abattoir \ knackery blunder it will just be our secret.
On the basis I don't contribute to your NSW Provincial tips because I don't know anything about it......maybe let that apply to yourself here.
If you start a thread about the level of gloss P V'Landys' likes on his boots, I promise I will take your word for it. :bye:
There will be no "feigned outrage" because it doesn't give them anything to bag Racing NSW about - although I'm sure they'll try and try and twist it that way.
On the actual program the head of Harness Racing NSW was really caught out about promises made regarding standard bred retirements.
But has Jeunes or nemesis even mentioned that part? Of course not. Not once. The program to them presents an opportunity to feign outrage to get at their enemy. They couldn't give a stuff about horse welfare. Neither can the ABC.
Jeunes, what are your thoughts on today’s Echuca thoroughbred sales?
I wouldn’t know mate but what I do know is that of all the poor horses being traded through knackerys etc, bugger all are thoroughbreds but there’s no story in that
Here we go again from Peter’s Pen.
How about answering a simple question was Racing NSW lying when they said they did not know about Camden sales selling thoroughbreds when they already replied to an email regarding this issue.
C’mon Peter’s Pen, please answer it.
That is real picky that is.
And can I point out the obvious exaggeration
Note the use of the plural - thoroughbreds
There are growing calls for a royal commission into the racing industry after the ABC revealed emails proving Racing NSW was told more than a year ago about the unauthorised sale of thoroughbreds for slaughter at a livestock auction in Camden, NSW.
Then we go to singular
But former trainer Sandra Jorgensen said she reported to Racing NSW in mid-2018 the sale of a branded, one-eyed filly at Camden to a business run by a killbuyer
The subsequent calls for a Royal Commission based on this single event are laughable.
It is a horrible story. And the person at the abattoir who wouldn't sell the filly back is deserving of some form of punishment.
But the over-reach is just out of all proportion. It is one case.
When compared to "God knows how many" extra horses suffered because of the inaction of the ABC, it is trivial.
I answered it already
Trivial nitpicking.
No-one was lying. There was a mix up with the name of two companies who had the same name. Totally plausible.
And certainly not worth paying lawyers hundreds of thousands of dollars for a Royal Commission over one horse.
Your contention that there needs to be some sort of reparations over a single horse is bordering on the absurd.
Perhaps you, like Mehreen Faruqi in that link you posted, think we should have an RC every time someone is accused of lying.
Retrospectively perhaps we should have an RC into Julia Gillard telling us there would be no Carbon Tax on a government she would lead.
Ridiculous suggestion.
A Racing Royal Commission would end up like most RC's........ expensive and accomplish very little.
The power of social media. It can never be underrated.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/couple-charged-with-animal-cruelty-after-footage-caught-them-dragging-horse/news-story/cbda889ec2edb60f18f93389fb494d0c
Stand by for someone to blame PV, racing nsw and us horse owners for that. We’re all evil
So can anyone here tell me the answer to this question..?
What percentage of the 14000 odd thoroughbreds born every year make it to age 15?
All you apologists never wanna go near that one.
Just checking how blinkered your views really are....
I will say it again, an open inquiry into the roles of ABC, the Racing bodies and RSPCA in this sorry saga.
Transparency and action, then we can all move on. I still want to get without feeling like a leper with some of the non racing folk.
Could we be comfortable that there would be transparency?
After the snow job the dogs copped I get a bit uneasy that you'd end up with another screw effort. :unsu
Anyway this little bit jumped out at me when scanning over the story on those hypocritics the RSPCA
Hidden cameras showed that in just 22 days, more than 300 racehorses - winners of a combined $5million in prize money - were killed in the abattoir.
Not sure those figures match what has been said elsewhere nor how did the know about the prizemoney? Did the have every brand? From my take they were lucky to name a handful yet here we are speaking with certainty of the amount of money they all won. :shrug:
Could we be comfortable that there would be transparency?6 weeks on Gintara and you trot out this?
After the snow job the dogs copped I get a bit uneasy that you'd end up with another screw effort. :unsu
Anyway this little bit jumped out at me when scanning over the story on those hypocritics the RSPCA
Hidden cameras showed that in just 22 days, more than 300 racehorses - winners of a combined $5million in prize money - were killed in the abattoir.
Not sure those figures match what has been said elsewhere nor how did the know about the prizemoney? Did the have every brand? From my take they were lucky to name a handful yet here we are speaking with certainty of the amount of money they all won. :shrug:
What is the relevance to the amount of money they won?
from the fact animals are killed for human and pet consumption every single day.
I fail to see what the problem is with that
I fail to see what the problem is with that
Also did the RSPCA not charge these individuals? If not why?
What a shocking read about Sandaney......by Redoute's Choice from an Irish mare bred by The Aga Khan.....owned by Arrowfield.
Driven with an unapproved whip for 400 metres until the 2 yr old collapses, doesn't bear thinking about......all this just 7 days after entering Rick Worthington's stable.
Surely more to this especially after his yearling X-rays turned away any buyers.
13 1/2 months disqualification for only one player seems hardly adequate.
R.I.P. Sandaney.
In the third case, Warwick Farm track rider Patrick Shanahan was disqualified for 13.5 months for committing an act of cruelty when he rode Sandaney in a manner that contributed to it collapsing and suffering a catastrophic injury, breaking both its front legs.
Shanahan was found not to have followed the instructions of trainer Rick Worthington to slowly work Sandaney on the polo fields on December 30. Instead he worked the horse on the polytrack at “faster than slow work” for two laps.
The distress of the horse was clear before it collapsed in front of trainers and Warwick Farm trackwork supervisor John McGarr, who all gave evidence during the inquiry.
Shanahan was found to have use a non-approved whip “unreasonably and/or excessively” in the final 400 metres of the unapproved work, which was deemed an act of cruelty. He was also fined $500 for using the unapproved whip.
Does anyone else read that and see more questions than answers?
Jeunes , not sure if you have read the full steward's report for Sandaney on Racing NSW website.
https://www.racingnsw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Sandaney-Stewards-Report.pdf
I agree with Gintara.......smells very dodgy.
It's interesting the stewards use the term 'humane euthanasia' because there was nothing humane leading up to his demise.
So PP7 who has given us the great classics such as "there is no evidence that C Waller uses drugs" a couple of years after the trainer publicly states " I use Lasix and believe in it" thinks that some members here need to 'get' something.
So do you guys get it now??
Or are you still going to carry on with your anti Racing NSW politics, as the ABC were doing on the eve of The Everest.
(Cue - personal insults)
Nemesis, find a link below to the farm etc but I don’t know rates of success. The properties look good.
https://teamthoroughbred.com.au/our-facilities/
Nemesis, find a link below to the farm etc but I don’t know rates of success. The properties look good.Thanks for the link Jeunes.
https://teamthoroughbred.com.au/our-facilities/
In doing so, Mr V'landys will argue the ABC behaved "dishonestly" and did not give him a chance to explain that Racing NSW has no jurisdiction over Queensland, where most of the racehorses in the program were from.
Some people on this thread still don't get this point in spite of it being pointed out on over half a dozen occasions. :whistle:
My money is on the ABC lawyers paying out before it gets to court. It is after all taxpayers money, not theirs.
I'm certain the ABC will relish the opportunity to defend themselves on this one.
Not so sure about that nemisis. Surely all the evidence gathered and time lines of when & if will come into question, mightn't portray the ABC in the greatest light and the whole agenda that was driven.
I returned my ATC membership because of PV but I'm with him on this one.
Yes I'm dying to see the ABC explain the paradox of showing a program to protect the welfare of horses, but elongating the suffering at Meramist because they didn't notify the RSPCA immediately just so they could hold off running the show until the eve of The Everest.
They are going to look like evil people who put their journalistic narcissism ahead of the welfare of horses.
I reckon they will settle before it gets into the public courts to save face.
Not so sure about that nemisis. Surely all the evidence gathered and time lines of when & if will come into question, mightn't portray the ABC in the greatest light and the whole agenda that was driven.Have you actually 'sat through' the complete program yet, Gintara.
I returned my ATC membership because of PV but I'm with him on this one.
The ABC will do as they have always done. Whatever is politically best for the ALP.
The ABC will do as they have always done. Whatever is politically best for the ALP.
My mistake. I am sure they will continue with their completely unbiased commentary :lol: