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Offline nemisis

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« 2019-Nov-03, 08:40 AM Reply #250 »
Simply by asking me about that 1% you continue to show your complete lack of knowledge on this subject.

It was the basis of the whole 7.30 report.

Don't quote me RNSW figures.....they are total BS.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 09:26 AM Reply #251 »
Simply by asking me about that 1% you continue to show your complete lack of knowledge on this subject.

It was the basis of the whole 7.30 report.

Don't quote me RNSW figures.....they are total BS.

If they (the Racing NSW figures) are bullshit, then what is the correct figure? What is the basis for your figure?

10,000 racehorses retiring over 3 years does not appear "complete bullshit" on the face of it.

Where are you getting this stuff from?

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« 2019-Nov-03, 10:00 AM Reply #252 »
I'm guessing all this means the special Melbourne Cup episode of Play School will never again see the light of day.  :wavecry:

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« 2019-Nov-03, 11:49 AM Reply #253 »
We should put V’landys, AJ, ABC, VRC head Amanda, Lloyd Williams, Michelle Payne, Peter Fitzsimmons on an episode of Play School or Sesame Steet version of a MC.

Would be interesting to see what happens and who wins.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 12:27 PM Reply #254 »


On greyhounds, if someone here would like to do the pup's whelped, dog's named, dog's retired and dog's re-homed figures that would be good.....we can make an allowance for some trainers who keep their dogs.

The figures look decidedly rubbery to me.

Nemisis - dogs are tracked from birth to death, you can't fart without having to notify the authorities in NSW.  :/

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« 2019-Nov-03, 12:29 PM Reply #255 »
We should put V’landys, AJ, ABC, VRC head Amanda, Lloyd Williams, Michelle Payne, Peter Fitzsimmons on an episode of Play School or Sesame Steet version of a MC.

Would be interesting to see what happens and who wins.

Pirate Pete either wouldn't show up for fear of being exposed or he's nobble everyone so he'd clean up with his dodgy 'facts'

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« 2019-Nov-03, 12:37 PM Reply #256 »
Pirate Pete either wouldn't show up for fear of being exposed or he's nobble everyone so he'd clean up with his dodgy 'facts'

I think the winner could be AJ or Fitzsimmons. They both have good staying power. The rest could do with some blinkers and maybe a tongue tie to help focus.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 12:47 PM Reply #257 »
From many years of experience I can tell you, whoever is the blue horse is gunna win.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 12:49 PM Reply #258 »
I imagine the episode will be quietly wiped from existence and disappear from all box sets, compilations and repeat schedules.

Considering the shows demographic, I'd imagine that that episode would have been many peoples first introduction to the wonders of the Cup and horse racing in general.
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« 2019-Nov-03, 12:54 PM Reply #259 »
From many years of experience I can tell you, whoever is the blue horse is gunna win.

V’landys wears blue jackets at times. Fitzsimmons is a red bandanna type of guy while AJ has a wide variety of colours but wears a nice blue jacket at times.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 06:06 AM Reply #260 »
Dark vegans won’t take a punt on the human race

NICK CATER

Caution precludes the naming of a winner but the prize for this year’s least appealing Melbourne Cup party is as good as won.

“Unite with the Anti-Speciesist Action Collective and Vegan ACT to protest the Melbourne Cup,” reads the invitation.

The venue chosen for this gathering of the po-faced is suitably bleak: Thoroughbred Park, Lyneham, ACT, a paddock on the edge of nowhere, a 20-minute tram ride away from the nearest thing our national capital has to a pub.

The Melbourne Cup has been officially declared “problematic” by Guardian Australia, which on Saturday added Race 7 on Tuesday to the growing list of things that were fine until the day before yesterday but of which we should now be utterly ashamed.

Writer Calla Wahlquist declared that the race had “lost its hold on the nation”, and had the evidence to prove it.

“Dozens of people Guardian Australia spoke to,” she writes, “many previously neutral or mildly positive towards the race, say they plan to boycott the office sweep this year.”

The people to whom Guardian Australia speaks may or may not be a representative sample, but their minds are made up. A recent ABC 7.30 program on the fate of retired racehorses was a “tipping point”, Wahlquist tells us.

Like almost all of today’s protests, shunning the office sweepstake is symbolic and costs you nothing, distinguishing it from the civil rights movements of old. They are not fighting to relieve ­oppression but fighting to demonstrate to others that they feel the pain of the oppressed.

The great irony, as Douglas Murray writes in an important new book, The Madness of Crowds, is that the loudest protests against social injustice are usually heard in the most socially just countries.

There is always room for improvement, but to portray a free and democratic nation like ours as infested with bigotry, hatred and oppression is at best partial and at worst nakedly hostile, writes Murray. “It is an analysis expressed not in the manner of a critic hoping to improve, but an enemy eager to destroy,” he concludes.

We have long since given up looking for consistency in the behaviour of protesters whose presumption of superior moral standing makes them immune to charges of hypocrisy.

Last week two climate protesters in Melbourne were arrested for assaulting a police horse.

Tomorrow many of their fellow protesters will be making a nuisance of themselves at Flemington protesting against cruelty to race horses.


There is nothing to be achieved through discussion and still less through appeasement. We know how the narrative will run.

First there is a demand that we “start a conversation”, then a call for transparency and accountability. Next come safeguards, regulations and a demand for harsher penalties. From there it moves on to plain packaging and health warnings, then an outright ban, and pretty soon we’re munching cauliflower burgers wrapped in a hemp and cucumber bun.

The poor manners of modern activists, whether in social media or on the street, is further evidence that these are not serious people in search of civic agreement.

A campaign to persuade Melbourne car drivers that they are warming the planet, for example, would not begin with random protests that paralyse the CBD. Miners will not be dissuaded from despoiling the Earth, if that’s what you think they are doing, by being spat upon.

Murray makes the same point by describing the tactics of the trans rights movement. No sensible campaign for the greater ­acceptance of trans people would begin by insisting that men, transitioning or not, be allowed to breach the privacy of women’s toilets or that children should be allowed to chemically block their puberty without telling mum and dad.

It is the road to division, not consensus. Which may be why even some of the wokest of folk appear reluctant to follow Guardian Australia’s lead by declaring the Melbourne Cup “not OK”.

For Australiana it is in every sense a sacred occasion, unique to the Western world.

“The hoof-strokes roar like a mighty drum” were being celebrated by Banjo Paterson in The Bulletin a dozen years before the first Victorian Football League grand final, albeit in an uncomfortably un-woke verse.

Recently arrived Uber drivers quickly learn that the only acceptable way to start a conversation after ten past three on the first Tuesday in November is “how did you go?”

It is harder to imagine a finer representation of the Australian principle of the fair go, as I wrote in my book The Lucky Culture. Hope rides on each of the 24 runners at the starting gate, not because the horses or their riders are equal, but because everything possible has been done by the organisers to ensure they have an equal chance.

This spirit of egalitarianism, the thread running through our social fabric, is anathema to the people to whom Guardian Australia talks, the educated elite with bachelor of arts degrees who imagine they see the world in clearer terms than the rest of us.

To protest for climate justice, trans rights or a kinder, anti-spec­iesist vegan world is to demonstrate that you are a cut above the bogans at Flemington.

This much is clear from Wahlquist’s article. Deep down it is not the way people treat animals that appals her sample but the people themselves.

Even before they watched the 7.30 program, the people who spoke to Guardian Australia “were already appalled by the cultural cringe of seeing dozens of well-dressed adults vomiting into port-a-loos at 2pm, describing the spectacle of horse racing as both insufferably stuffy and unbearably gauche”.

People who spoke to Guardian Australia appear, at best, to be only moderately comfortable in the presence of their fellow citizens and happier talking among themselves.


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/dark-vegans-wont-take-a-punt-on-the-human-race/

Well I'm off to join the Anti-Speciesist Action Collective and subscribe to The Guardian, and will be boycotting the Office Sweep on The Cup.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 06:18 AM Reply #261 »
The crux of that article was the disingenuous behaviour of activists as highlighted by Douglas Murray in his book The Madness Of Crowds.

A campaign to persuade Melbourne car drivers that they are warming the planet, for example, would not begin with random protests that paralyse the CBD. Miners will not be dissuaded from despoiling the Earth, if that’s what you think they are doing, by being spat upon.

i.e. if you were genuinely concerned about planet warming by cars, and you wanted to encourage people not to use cars, why would you start off by making those people angry by blocking traffic?

And the second example highlights the problems Bill Shorten faced. He was trying to appease coal miners by saying "even though we will stop coal mining, we will get you jobs in other industries".

Then along comes the disingenuous protester, who has no intention of working with coal miners and who spits on them.


Similarly with the ABC.

If they were genuine in their concern for animal welfare, why would they sit on information about cruelty to horses until two days before the Everest?

Why wouldn't you just act immediately? You could still run your show whenever you wanted and it wouldn't have made much difference.

But they displayed how disingenuous they were by sitting on that information.

Same as those who spit on coal miners (and then first thing they do when they get home is to recharge their mobile using electricity generated by coal).


The bottom line is that these disingenuous people are only out to divide the community. They have no real care for the cause they are allegedly acting for.


So those potting Peter V'Landys because of their hatred of the man, and using the ABC as a vehicle, maybe you should carefully consider your bedfellows.


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« 2019-Nov-04, 06:50 AM Reply #262 »
PP, after reading the article from Nick Cater and then reading your post re V’Landys, I don’t get it.

What is the paranoia than any anti Racing or ABC report supporters are all against V’Landys only. There was no reference in the article against him but more about the activists in Melbourne.  Either you work for him or his publicist that any critics of racing must be targeting him.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 07:49 AM Reply #263 »
Thanks for posting that article PP
I couldn't agree more

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« 2019-Nov-04, 08:02 AM Reply #264 »

What is the paranoia than any anti Racing or ABC report supporters are all against V’Landys only. ....Either you work for him or his publicist that any critics of racing must be targeting him.

There is no paranoia nor am I working for him.

I am responding to forum member comments that mention Racing NSW and V'Landys.

You guys are the ones that keep bringing Racing NSW and PVL into this discussion - not me. So don't try and twist it around to make out I'm some kind of sycophant to reduce the value of my contribution.

Back on topic, the shocking footage from the abattoir was sourced in Queensland.

Yet I am struggling to see any comment related to Racing Qld on this thread - from yourself, nemesis or jfc who I've quoted from below.

If it trends, Vlandys will have a fit.


Meanwhile consider V'landys' effort as reported by one outlet under his control.

Who is stupid enough to swallow his crap about being under resourced!


Jones and V'landys in their fantasy world.


No, I'm explaining V'landys' cop out.


The worst part of the whole issue is the perception of some racing enthusiasts and administrators, it is a beat up by the activists and ABC.

The racing industry including Racing NSW have lived in an insular world ....

Vlandys better get used to the hard questions as there will be a follow up report and he will not be able to control it.



The reason this was added was to stop RNSW doing exactly what they are saying that these are not NSW horses.

P V'Landys was being challenged on his 1% figure and that's why he looked so uncomfortable because he knows it's BS......let's not even mention J Dumesny feeble effort.



V'landys was given plenty of air time. He did himself no favours.


If Racing NSW is concerned about one horse being alive what about the other horses and the general question of do they track all the horses etc.


...and that is only on the first few pages.


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« 2019-Nov-04, 08:21 AM Reply #265 »
Thanks for posting that article PP
I couldn't agree more

It was a great article and I must try and get time to read the book "The Madness Of Crowds" by Douglas Murray.

I read a book over a decade ago by Shelly Gare called "The Rise and Rise of the Air Heads" that was a portent to some of the stuff we are seeing with "Groupthink".

Sanctimonious people telling you the "correct" way to think on all sorts of issues - animal activism, Climate Change, coal mining, electric cars, transgender, Israel Folau, Gay Marriage, gender equity, George Pell, black armband history, disingenuous apologies, Donald Trump, Brexit, The Big Banks, The Catholic Church, acceptable language...I could go on.

Scratch the surface of a Groupthinker and there is usually a hypocrite underneath.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 08:34 AM Reply #266 »
You have no idea PP7.

RNSW in their welfare policy state that only 1% of racehorses 'that leave the track' go to slaughter.

They also state that no racehorses can be put through unauthorised sales.......Racing Vic do not make these claims and nor do Queensland.

The ABC in no time at all completely blew those ridiculous claims out of the water......and for that P V'Landys deserves to be criticised.

Any objective person reading this thread would be hard pressed to find evidence of hatred directed at P V'Landys.
The only hatred on here is directed at the ABC and one post here (was subsequently modified) was absolute hatred towards the reporter.

Your big thumbs up I suppose means you must have liked it and I did wonder if you had seen it in it's original form.
Considering it was based on a total bull shit story in the Courier Mail......well, says a lot.


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« 2019-Nov-04, 08:37 AM Reply #267 »
PP, after reading the article from Nick Cater and then reading your post re V’Landys, I don’t get it.

What is the paranoia than any anti Racing or ABC report supporters are all against V’Landys only.

You have no idea PP7.

RNSW in their welfare policy state that only 1% of racehorses 'that leave the track' go to slaughter.

They also state that no racehorses can be put through unauthorised sales.......Racing Vic do not make these claims and nor do Queensland.

The ABC in no time at all completely blew those ridiculous claims out of the water......and for that P V'Landys deserves to be criticised.


Nuff said.....

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« 2019-Nov-04, 08:50 AM Reply #268 »
You have no idea PP7.

RNSW in their welfare policy state that only 1% of racehorses 'that leave the track' go to slaughter.

They also state that no racehorses can be put through unauthorised sales.......Racing Vic do not make these claims and nor do Queensland.

The ABC in no time at all completely blew those ridiculous claims out of the water......and for that P V'Landys deserves to be criticised.

Any objective person reading this thread would be hard pressed to find evidence of hatred directed at P V'Landys.
The only hatred on here is directed at the ABC and one post here (was subsequently modified) was absolute hatred towards the reporter.

Your big thumbs up I suppose means you must have liked it and I did wonder if you had seen it in it's original form.
Considering it was based on a total bull shit story in the Courier Mail......well, says a lot.

So I'm trying to get my head around your logic.

You are saying that, in spite of the worst footage being shot in Queensland, you are not commenting on things like the sadistic treatment of horses at the Meramist abattoir because Racing NSW state that no (thoroughbred) horse can be put through unauthorized sales, and that RQ and RVL have not made such claims.

Have I got that right?

The statement that "no (thoroughbred) horse can be put through unauthorized NSW sales" is essentially correct.

The ABC has found evidence to the contrary. There are perhaps 14 or 16 horses that were.

I don't think anyone is disputing this.

Racing NSW are investigating in spite of the fact that the ABC refuses to hand over evidence that would assist that investigation.

So what is your problem?

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« 2019-Nov-04, 10:21 AM Reply #269 »
Are you suggesting that a camera set up at Luddenham  or Burns Pet foods is going to show thoroughbreds getting treated much differently.......a bolt misfired or a bullet a bit wide of the mark?
Don't even mention saleyards because it is clear you haven't been near one and don't speak to people that have.
The pens at Meramist were full of thoroughbreds........many from NSW and that was the issue that was put to P V'landys.

The figures from the Cup carnival will tell the tale of what is acceptable in the eyes of the public.

How are we going to pay for P V'landys grand plans? ......surely a question floating around the corridors at RNSW.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 01:11 PM Reply #270 »
You noting this down Jeunes   :lol:

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« 2019-Nov-04, 01:30 PM Reply #271 »
Are you suggesting that a camera set up at Luddenham  or Burns Pet foods is going to show thoroughbreds getting treated much differently.......a bolt misfired or a bullet a bit wide of the mark?

So you are saying what here. That because a hypothetical camera set up at the two NSW abattoirs might show a bolt misfired or someone missing (is that what you are saying?) then there is no need to discuss Qld or Victoria cruelty e.g. Meramist, Darren Weir.



Don't even mention saleyards because it is clear you haven't been near one and don't speak to people that have.


I have never been to abattoirs. Been to plenty of sales but not where the doggers are present.

So you are claiming expertise because your experience is...... :what: (you left that bit out).


The figures from the Cup carnival will tell the tale of what is acceptable in the eyes of the public.


What does this even mean? Are you saying that you are predicting that there will be some wagering figures that will reflect your view of the world? I'm only guessing. It is such a vague statement. Can you expand please mate.


How are we going to pay for P V'landys grand plans? ......surely a question floating around the corridors at RNSW.

What is the point in us conversing if you do not even read what I take the trouble to post.

This question was answered yesterday complete with excerpts and links (taxation parity)

You just seem to move on from one anti NSW rant to the next.

How about taking a spell for a while and when you do post be clear and precise in what you are trying to communicate.

Whatever it is you are trying to communicate is missing the mark and what is coming through is hateful rants.

There's a good boy then.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 02:02 PM Reply #272 »
 I can't be bothered answering your stupid questions.......bringing up Darren Weir.....last time I looked you were defending him.

By all means have it noted that the welfare of racehorses is of paramount importance to me......always has been.

What any objective person would note about you is your first offering here......'I haven't watched it but I sure have something to say about it, make sure you all listen up now.'...pure brilliance.

Sadly for me it only came second to this classic  'racing is cleaner than ever'......what an incredibly perceptive mind. :bye:
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« 2019-Nov-04, 03:29 PM Reply #273 »
I can't be bothered answering your stupid questions......

Yeah you've made it obviously clear that you don't answer any reasonable questions put to you.

Asking you your experience around abattoirs and saleyards, when you clearly imply that you have a good deal of experience, is a "dumb" question is it?

Yeah right.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 04:26 PM Reply #274 »
You noting this down Jeunes    :lol:

Ok. So it seems the beef from you  is with others referring to Vlandys or have I missed the point?


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