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Online nemisis

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« 2020-Feb-06, 02:21 PM Reply #450 »

So do you guys get it now??

Or are you still going to carry on with your anti Racing NSW politics, as the ABC were doing on the eve of The Everest.

(Cue - personal insults)
So PP7 who has given us the great classics such as "there is no evidence that C Waller uses drugs" a couple of years after the trainer publicly states " I use Lasix and believe in it" thinks that some members here need to 'get' something.

Do you 'get' the difference between a knackery and an abattoir yet?

The only thing that any fair minded person would' get'  from your contributions here are......put shit on the reporter, slag off at the ABC and promote P V'Landys.

My information is that P V'Landys has 'got' something because he has appointed an officer to go to horse sales........long time coming but he could have saved himself from some embarrassment on national TV.

Meanwhile what's changed at Meramist since the cruelty was exposed?......  apart from extra security in the holding pens to stop any errant cameras from identifying thoroughbreds and standardbreds from all states....well nothing.

One look at the on-line racehorse sales shows the problem.......too many horses and not enough buyers.......and very little interest in the OTT's.

If you can post some info re the success of the 3 rehoming farms in NSW.........that would be useful.......seems to be hard info to 'get'
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« 2020-Feb-06, 04:26 PM Reply #451 »
Nemesis, find a link below to the farm etc but I donít know rates of success. The properties look good.

https://teamthoroughbred.com.au/our-facilities/

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« 2020-Feb-06, 08:40 PM Reply #452 »
Nemesis, find a link below to the farm etc but I donít know rates of success. The properties look good.

https://teamthoroughbred.com.au/our-facilities/

There you go nemesis - not so hard to get after all.

So you obviously don't like commenting on horse cruelty matters in Qld but are an expert in NSW racing.

Where do you live again?

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« 2020-Feb-09, 11:43 AM Reply #453 »
Nemesis, find a link below to the farm etc but I donít know rates of success. The properties look good.

https://teamthoroughbred.com.au/our-facilities/
Thanks for the link Jeunes.

I'm more than happy to be corrected  but it appears only the Taree farm is taking thoroughbreds.
It has a capacity of 50 and only when one is re-homed does it accept another.

Capertee and Princes farms are not yet functioning and they are not going to be strictly re-homing facilities.

The other 2 at Picton and Muswellbrook would seem to be more already established welfare type programmes that RNSW has aligned itself with.

It was good to see that Ecuador has found a home after racing.
Anyone who thinks it would be acceptable for this high performing, million dollar plus earning  horse to be sent off for meat when he leaves the racetrack must live in la-la land.

Racehorse welfare got a run in yesterday's herald with this initiative below.

https://thoroughbredwelfareinitiative.org.au/?fbclid=IwAR16WPllYW0eHh6MP79CRc-xIC7nbtlqf49MgK5MLYkPiGnsbem5aVPOCpI

Worth looking at who is supporting it........can't see Arrowfield anywhere and not a lot from Gerry Harvey.

Like I said info hard to find and gladly be corrected.

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« 2020-Feb-09, 02:46 PM Reply #454 »
Nem, I agree with you as I could not find statistics. I know a couple of parks were not open at time of the 7.30 report as either they were recently bought or being brought upto speed.

Racing NSW is headed in the right direction but I do think it should not just be them alone. It should be other Racing bodies, gambling operators and breeders too. The extent of what their contribution is another story.

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« 2020-Feb-10, 09:31 AM Reply #455 »
Absolutely ridiculous!

I would like someone to work out the sustainability of keeping alive every racehorse in the world for the rest of their natural lives.

Wouldn't be too hard to calculate the greenhouse effect of hundreds of thousands of horses every year.

Apparently there are 13000 racehorses slaughtered every year in Australia. For how long will this window dressing be sustainable??

Throw into the calculations the loss of pet food that will have to come from somewhere else.

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« 2020-Feb-10, 04:26 PM Reply #456 »
The issue Napes is an emotive one.

Most people in Australia do not give a damn about racing. Their argument is the industry breeds horses and then slaughters them when they are of no use. That does not sit well with many. The fact that some are cruelly des patched makes it even tougher for people to swallow.

I am yet to meet anyone who can tell me the difference between a caged hen egg or free range eggs. Try substituting them and people will eat them although my family had threatened homicide on me for doing that as a test.

The fact is economically, it is not feasible to keep every racehorse alive after racing, That is the quandary and in a world of social media and pressure, there will be a time when companies will bend and decide not to be involved in it.

Before people say who cares and stuff the animal liberation etc, donít forget they do vote and they also spend. Some companies will recover from bad press and sponsorship but it takes time. Racing will bounce back. Majority of people in racing want change but economics is a reality of life.

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« 2020-Feb-10, 05:47 PM Reply #457 »
Change needed in Qld racing: report
Monday 10 February, 2020
Sonia Kohlbacher
WHEN A RACEHORSE LEAVES THE TRACK
* Some Thoroughbreds and Standardbreds become stock used to breed potential future winners

* A small number of horses will be rehomed and become pets or hacks for pony club, while others become showjumpers or dressage horses

* Others are sent to slaughter to become human or pet food

* In 2019 footage emerged of workers at the Meramist abattoir north of Brisbane mistreating horses sent there to be killed and processed

SHOCKWAVES AND REACTION
* The allegations of animal cruelty appalled the Australian public

* Racing industry bodies spoke out against the treatment

* In Queensland, the government launched an investigation of the accusations led by retired District Court judge Terry Martin SC

THE VERDICT
* That probe found the management of racehorses as a disposable commodity was unethical and not aligned with community expectations

* It also found the racing industry could not be held accountable for the lifelong welfare of retired horses once their careers were over

* It found that were was no adequate animal welfare monitoring at slaughterhouses

WHAT WILL CHANGE?
* Two industry bodies will set up a rehoming scheme
* But owners will need to make two genuine attempts to rehome the horse, and put it to the rehoming scheme

* If that fails, the horses can be killed or sent to an abattoir

* The Queensland government has been told to prioritise animal welfare

* Resting periods are recommended where horses are being brought from other states to be slaughtered in Queensland

* Cameras should be installed to capture what happens at "critical animal welfare points" and provided to state government officials

* The state government has left the door open to new agreements with abattoirs, or new laws

ENDS

Nothing much more they could have done still should hopefully lead to more humane treatment when there's no other option than slaughter.


Giddy Up :beer:


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« 2020-Feb-10, 08:00 PM Reply #458 »


Horses are not special

Lets talk turkey  -- we are all open to being 'sacked' -- most animals are routinely killed once they have lived their useful life.

The wave of nonsense about 'pension for life' race-horses is just  plain nonsense.

....... any suggestion that the public-purse might be raided to fund a pension scheme for horses, is plain nonsense.

....... this nonsense has to stop!


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« 2020-Feb-11, 04:54 PM Reply #459 »
Exactly.
The real problem that the industry has is transparency, huh.
When the stats come in..then the public can decide.
When we are all open that say 40% of racehorse foals do not make 7 years we will then see what a wonderful world we live in

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« 2020-Feb-11, 06:16 PM Reply #460 »
CCTV for Qld abattoirs after cruelty probe
Tuesday 11 February, 2020
 
The Queensland government has accepted some recommendations of a probe into animal cruelty.
Cameras will be installed at Queensland abattoirs to capture how retired racehorses are treated in the wake of an animal cruelty probe.
The new rule among dozens of recommendations about how the state government and racing industry can better take care of Thoroughbreds and Standardbreds once their careers are over.
Animal welfare groups estimate thousands of horses are slaughtered every year.
An investigation was launched after footage aired last year showing workers at the Meramist abattoir north of Brisbane tormenting horses before they were killed.
It found there is no adequate animal welfare monitoring at knackeries, and made clear using racehorses as a disposable commodity was unethical.
However, it also found the racing industry was not responsible for the lifelong care of retired horses.
CCTV will be installed to film what happens at "critical animal welfare points" with Biosecurity Queensland to review the footage.
This and other measures accepted by the state government will be rolled out via agreements or legislation.
Another new rule will require owners to make multiple attempts to rehome their racehorses before they can consider putting them down.
ENDS

Giddy Up :beer:



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« 2020-Feb-12, 10:01 AM Reply #461 »
We live in a world where 99% of cows don't make 7 years. 99% of pigs don't make 7 years. 99% of chickens don't make 7 years.

We live in the REAL world.


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« 2020-Feb-12, 12:09 PM Reply #462 »
7.30 Report  had a piece on the recommendations last night.

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/7-30/series/0/video/NC2001H022S00

Starts at 21.45.

It looks like the Australian Breeding Industry has finally realised what their industry is facing........all down hill!

Breed less......a lot less might help deal with the massive over supply of stock  because as the good judge from Queensland stated "only a small number will be re-homed"

I always wondered why there is always so much un-tried stock at thoroughbred sales.

Imagine being in the room when Alan Jones and Arrowfield Stud are told that Snitzel  will be restricted to 100 mares and they can only make $20 mil......won't happen so the problem will never go away.

Worth repeating......" the management of racehorses as a disposable commodity was unethical and not aligned with community expectations"
The Queensland probe just vindicates the accuracy of the original 7.30 Report.

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« 2020-Feb-12, 12:50 PM Reply #463 »
Will be interesting when "community expectations" are that we can't eat meat or use animal products.

Will happen eventually, hopefully not in my time.

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« 2020-Feb-19, 04:51 PM Reply #464 »
From Bloodstock.com.au:

"New group bid for horse welfare strategy"

Melbourne

Saturday 8 February 2020, 12:52pm

Former Victorian premier Dr Denis Napthine will head an independent working group of industry groups to develop a national horse welfare strategy.

Thoroughbred Breeders Australia, the Australian Trainers' Association, the Australian Jockeys' Association, race clubs, studs and big-name owners and trainers are behind the initiative to review the current welfare landscape in Australia.

The working group will focus on horses exiting the thoroughbred industry, whether as retired racehorses or unraced animals, through to end-of-life management.

Horse welfare became a national focus following the airing of a report on the ABC's 7.30 Report on the eve of Australia's richest race, The Everest, last year.

Independence is the cornerstone of the review with expertise deliberately drawn from outside the racing and breeding industries.

Joining Dr Napthine will be Dr Bidda Jones, chief science and strategy officer for RSPCA Australia, Dr Ken Jacobs, a director of the Australian Veterinary Association, and Jack Lake, a senior advisor on agriculture in the Hawke, Keating and Rudd governments.

TBA chief executive Tom Reilly said the challenges of welfare, rehoming, retraining and end-of-life for thoroughbreds was a national issue.

"Too often our industry is fragmented along state lines," Reilly said.

"This initiative will facilitate a national discussion with the aim of finding national solutions.

"Everybody who I have asked for support have been happy to give it and get behind this."

A steering committee that includes leading trainer Chris Waller will sign off on the terms of reference for the group, expected later in the year.

"This initiative is an opportunity to start building a national approach to welfare in racing and all industry players should grab it," Waller said.


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« 2020-Feb-19, 06:20 PM Reply #465 »


Feel-good nonsense -- let us give priority to people scrapped by the system


The working group will focus on horses exiting the thoroughbred industry, whether as retired racehorses or unraced animals, through to end-of-life management.


How about a proper focus on people no longer considered employable?

Will the national parliament  focus on people exiting the workforce, whether as retired  or disabled or prematurely displaced by technology, through to end-of-life management.

"This initiative is an opportunity to start building a national approach to welfare........ all players should grab it,"

People first -- horses also run on their merits!


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« 2020-Feb-20, 06:56 AM Reply #466 »
Peter, we do have such a system...it was called social security.
Of course, these days it is called  Centrelink, and we are obsessed with denying people Disability support pension, disregarding medical evidence, because we love kicking the welfare recipient and keeping them under immense pressure on Newstart pittance.
Stupidest thing is that  it is much more expensive enforcing Newstart rules and attached compliance nonsense than just paying people an increased payment and letting them get on with it.
Ever since Johnny Howard we have attacked Centrelink recipients...
You only need to read the comments here against me, because I get $50per week.

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« 2020-Feb-20, 07:49 AM Reply #467 »
I donít think Disability Pension or Newstart Allowance qualifications are the issue on majority of the cases.

I know someone who works in the employment services industry for the unemployed. He said in his area, there are around 20 services that focus on unemployed and people with disabilities. He said some are one person operations while others have a few staff.

My question is how do you expect quality service from some of these places when you only have one person. If I walked into a single operator retail store, the range of goods will be smaller than a large retail store. Maybe the single operator will offer better service but the variety or experience will be limited.

The other issue is with so many providers, the infrastructure costs will eat into the services provided too because of duplication. Reality is they are all using taxpayer money to survive through fees etc.

The government is better off having a few agencies so they can help people get jobs etc.

The government should focus more on catching business tax cheats rather than focus on welfare only. Robodebts showed how flawed the government thinking or understanding of the tax and welfare systems.

As a tax payer, I get tired of not getting concessions as certain small businesses do. I needed a plumber for work, called him up and after paying callout and hourly fee, I paid him through our invoices. He was happy and I said sorry it was not cash. He goes donít worry about as I need invoices at times too. He has negligible income for last 5 years. He told me his accountant wipes all his bills including lunches and dinners etc for work. His last holiday with his family was a conference. He also drives a brand new dual cab and his wife a BMW as a director of his company.

That is the flaw with the tax system of Australia. Too many concessions to businesses but not to wage earners. My receptionist pays $50 a week in transport to come to work but canít write off for tax as some people do with an ABN. She has an old computer while we have small businesses who operate at a ďlossĒ able to manage new cars, furnishings and electronics each year.



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