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Offline napes

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« 2020-Jul-17, 10:00 AM Reply #500 »
You need to read the statement from Hardwicke Stud Napes.
It's on here......along the lines of "middle market collapsed" ....."couldn't even give them away"....that makes them unwanted in my book :yes:

I am sure Meramist didn't get them for nothing! Obviously they wanted them! That makes them wanted!  :yes:

They weren't wanted as pets anymore, sadly.

Surely if Meramist is an abbatoir exporting meat for human consumption, they are wanted even more! People need to eat.

I am ok with animals being sent to be slaughtered humanely for human and animal consumption. I am not ok with the hypocrites that protest against racing and the use of animals and then drop in at McDonalds for a Big Mac on the way home.   


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« 2020-Jul-17, 10:53 AM Reply #501 »
Napes you are taking the thread off course......bit like Gintara.
I have no objection to horse meat being exported.
If the horse meat is being sourced from what looked like thoroughbred yearlings, among other untried young horses in the pens at Meramist....well that is a problem......it's not ok.

Not only is it a breach of RNSW welfare rules it would offend most racing folk.
RNSW have a surrender policy :what:.....the truck that delivered these youngsters to Meramist, fromYass in NSW drove straight passed the the Mudgee turnoff where RNSW have a 2000 or so acre racehorse retirement property......does anybody know if it is yet functioning?

Slaughtered humanely????.....are you aware that the first standard for horse slaughter is that horses shouldn't witness the killing......ok with this????
Meramist didn't even meet the first standard......why does it take the ABC to bring about change in this regard.
No one from the racing industry think about having a bit of a check or is it just easier to pretend it isn't happening.

Sadly, it's  views like yours that make horse racing completely unpalatable to many and with so many powerful consumer groups out there .......sponsors will run a mile!
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« 2020-Jul-17, 05:45 PM Reply #502 »
I'm not off course at all, I simply responded to your comment here or did you for forget that? You're the one who's glossed over this and taken off down a different tangent.



You need to brush up on what exactly Meramist is as well.
It's an abattoir which exports horse meat to Europe......not a knackery.




If the horse meat is being sourced from what looked like thoroughbred yearlings, among other untried young horses in the pens at Meramist....well that is a problem......it's not ok.



Leave racing rules aside - why isn't it ok? It's a horse isn't it?  :shrug:

Correct me but you're saying it's ok for 'Clip Clop' from that paddock but not for 'Gun Sprinter x Blue Blood' from the other paddock to be processed?

Please try and walk me through your logic.

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« 2020-Jul-17, 07:29 PM Reply #503 »
I can't really be bothered walking through much with you on this subject Gintara.

Have you watched the program yet?......you were asked a while ago and never responded..... just still getting your information from Sky :no

I was simply responding to Napes who seemed to think the Hardwicke Stud youngsters had gone to pet food....a knackery.....they went to an abattoir......let's at least try to have some accuracy here.

What ever your 2nd point is...... :shrug ......we are talking about the racing industry.....not a meat industry.
For your own credibility on the subject go and watch the program.
Any questions you might have after that.....just refer to the Tara Madgwick link from Breednet I shared......she's from the racing industry.
There is a response from the ABC for every "unsubstantiated" claim from RNSW.
 
If you have any questions after that ......re Reliable Kingdom....get back to me......I'll fill you in.
Let me know what you think when you've seen it  emthup ....and try and take an open mind with you.

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« 2020-Jul-17, 11:22 PM Reply #504 »
You seem very confused.

Set aside the treatment of the animals at that facility - we can all agree that is unacceptable.

If I'm reading right you are fine for a horse to be processed for pet food or human consumption but only if it's not from the racing industry?  :shrug:

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« 2020-Jul-18, 09:04 AM Reply #505 »
This little juvenile attempt at discrediting me won't work, Gintara.

My school holidays were spent on a dairy/ poultry/ hatchery farm....so disposing of unwanted stock was part of my job.
Did I like putting a day old bull calf, who could barely stand in the calf crate out the front of the farm?....no I did not .....I would have done something different.
I did get very efficient at processing chooks.....I have done and seen my bit.

Certainly realistic enough to know that horses get processed too....it's all part of the cycle.

No confusion on my part about the racing industry any more.....I'm disappointed in myself for not understanding the scale of the slaughter earlier.
This is an industry that wants to hide this and that's my issue here.
I sit firmly on the side that says it is not ethical and outside community expectations to  breed, race and kill.
When I saw the the Hardwicke Stud draft at Meramist.....I was horrified....they weren't even given a chance to prove their worth.
So I'll sit towards the front and lend a little voice.
Racing needed to do a lot better and for mine......it can't recover.

The part of me that threw my job in at 19 to go and work with racehorses for basically no pay, will always remain.
I loved it and will always be grateful that I got to ride these magnificent animals.
 

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« 2020-Jul-18, 10:18 AM Reply #506 »
I'm not trying to discredit you, I'm trying to understand the mindset because as I see it, your stance is hypocritical.


I sit firmly on the side that says it is not ethical and outside community expectations to  breed, race and kill.

 

So it's ok to breed, kill & eat?


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« 2020-Jul-18, 10:29 AM Reply #507 »
When I saw the the Hardwicke Stud draft at Meramist.....I was horrified....they weren't even given a chance to prove their worth.

To be fair Hardwicke were quoted saying this


Hardwicke Stud was one of a number of studs named in the report whose horses had been killed at the Queensland abattoir.
"We're caught in the middle of a drought," the Hardwicke representative said.
"Basically the market for the middle and lower end of the market for thoroughbreds collapsed last year, and feed prices doubled.
"For about three or four months we kept on feeding them and tried to find as many homes as possible.
"At the end we were giving them away and unfortunately some of them found their way to the abattoir.
"Because of the drought and other circumstances we got out of breeding horses.
"Our options were give them away or destroy them on the place. Neither of
them are particularly pleasant choices."
They said older horses could survive tougher conditions, but young horses simply died.
It forced them to give away yearlings worth up to $10,000, ruining their business in the process.
To then see their horses treated the way they were on the report compounded their misery.




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« 2020-Jul-19, 10:57 AM Reply #508 »
I'm not trying to discredit you, I'm trying to understand the mindset because as I see it, your stance is hypocritical.

So it's ok to breed, kill & eat?
Breed, kill and eat thoroughbred yearling Gintara?.....complements of the thoroughbred breeding industry, surplus of requirements via the non compliant(at the time) Meramist Abattoir?....not for me thanks.
I don't tell people what to eat but I didn't come from long, lean stock and have carried around a flat stomach all my life.......so I don't need any advice on what to eat either.

Little marketing opportunity for race clubs, who are always looking to attract new punters to the track here, isnt there?  emthup
Little barbecue stall with all the yearling cuts by the front entrance should go down real well.
Sydney Clubs could add 'Home grown' as well to support the local industry.

Full disclosure Gin......that's all people want.....full disclosure.

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« 2020-Jul-19, 11:07 AM Reply #509 »
Itís certainly a dilemma. I understand why horses end up at the sales.

 Iíve got a 20yo broodmare in a paddock costING me $600 a month as the rest of the syndicate have dropped out.
No point getting her in foal again as what do I do with that resulting foal? Itís certainly not commercial so no one will want in on it
It could end up costing me another 10k to 15k. Thatís a shit load of money I donít have to spare🥵

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« 2020-Jul-19, 11:31 AM Reply #510 »
Wily, your dilemma would be a common one.
Make your choice on what should happen to your old girl on what you believe to be right.

Putting her in a horse sale, in an unreserved pen would not be an option that most people would consider right.
If she was in Victoria she could have to endure a 20 hour cattle truck trip to Queensland......non stop.
If she wasn't capable of walking off the truck she could be winched and fork-lifted off as we saw in the 7.30 report.

Where ever you set your standards is all I can offer.

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« 2020-Jul-20, 11:26 AM Reply #511 »
I was simply responding to Napes who seemed to think the Hardwicke Stud youngsters had gone to pet food....a knackery.....they went to an abattoir......let's at least try to have some accuracy here..

Is that the important part? If it is human or animal consumption? You don't think the waste would be sold for animal consumption? Just a distraction to deflect from the hypocrisy of your argument.

Sadly its views like yours that racing is pandering to, the people appalled by the yearling cuts of horse will have a T-bone on the way home and feed their dog a can of kangaroo.

People need to be educated on where their food comes from and how hard farmers have to work to feed them.



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« 2020-Jul-20, 02:26 PM Reply #512 »
Napes, there is absolutely no argument from me about educating people where their food comes from.
Educate yourself as much as you can would be my advice.
If you ever feel like  tucking into a piece of white veal I would strongly suggest you need to see how it is grown :o
Maybe check out if the famous Scottish Restaurant really uses Angus beef and not Dairy Choppers while you are at it :o

Here is the statement again from the CEO of RNSW.
The objective is that no horse that races or is domiciled in NSW- doesn't have to get to a racecourse, but if it is born, bred, domiciled predominately in NSW, we'll need to find it a home
If you can't see why P V'Landys feels the need to talk in this language, then unfortunately you'll never understand the problem horse racing faces.
Horse racing won't go far pinching 30 cents out of every $ people who share your views bet.

Racing doesn't pander to my views either or it wouldn't be providing a place for cheats to thrive by allowing the use of diuretics.
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« 2020-Jul-20, 09:40 PM Reply #513 »
Breed, kill and eat thoroughbred yearling Gintara?.....complements of the thoroughbred breeding industry, surplus of requirements via the non compliant(at the time) Meramist Abattoir?....not for me thanks.
I don't tell people what to eat but I didn't come from long, lean stock and have carried around a flat stomach all my life.......so I don't need any advice on what to eat either.

Little marketing opportunity for race clubs, who are always looking to attract new punters to the track here, isnt there?  emthup
Little barbecue stall with all the yearling cuts by the front entrance should go down real well.
Sydney Clubs could add 'Home grown' as well to support the local industry.

Full disclosure Gin......that's all people want.....full disclosure.

Again you waffle off on a strange tangent.

In one breath you're trying to point out the difference between an abattoir & a knackery, you seem fine if it's for human consumption yet then want to complain about it being a thoroughbred having been bred for racing.

You can't have it both ways  :no:

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« 2020-Jul-22, 11:36 AM Reply #514 »
This Thoroughbred Welfare Initiative is up and about at the moment and it's worth reading.
https://thoroughbredwelfareinitiative.org.au/make-a-submission

I'll be making a submission......I often wondered how hard it is for animals, such as thoroughbreds and standardbreds which carry an identifying brand on their shoulder, being slaughtered at registered businesses, to be accounted for. There is only two horse abattoirs in the country......plenty of knackeries. It's easy to find the cattle, sheep and pig numbers....
The ABC even put them up on Landline......transparency is all people expect.

The 3600 odd foals from the 2014 crop that never entered training, must be a very difficult if not impossible figure to defend in this day and age......let alone all the 'too slow' ones in the crop as well......where do they go? :chin:

Not sure there a lot of help for the committee from the Racenet contributors on the subject.......a lot of scorn though! :shrug:
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/rspca-sees-breeding-as-a-key-in-rv-s-equine-welfare-plan-20200719

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« 2020-Jul-27, 11:23 AM Reply #515 »
Mass hypocrisy is still hypocrisy.

Kangaroos and wild pigs weren't bred for petfood, but ...

People don't want transparency, they want to pretend.

White veal is not to my taste. Neither is Balut but I understand how both are grown and don't vilify anyone for eating it.

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« 2020-Jul-27, 01:08 PM Reply #516 »
The 'pretending' is not coming from the people, Napes.......it's coming from the industries of deception and duplicity.

If I went to my supermarket right now to buy some fish ......spotted a fresh looking fillet of Pacific Dory..... I could be forgiven that the fish I was about to buy had something to do with the Pacific Ocean and possibly was related to the John Dory.....couldn't I?
When in fact it is a piece of freshwater, scaleless bottom feeding catfish.
Would anybody buy it if it was correctly labeled....Mekong River Catfish?.....no, of course not......well, maybe a few.

So now ask yourself, why it is so important the racing industry wants to pretend that they really care about the horses!......because if they told the truth no one would buy it ......well, maybe some
It's just a matter now of how long 'the some' will sustain horse racing and in what form......hardly helped by Saturday's viewing.


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« 2020-Jul-27, 10:14 PM Reply #517 »


The 3600 odd foals from the 2014 crop that never entered training, must be a very difficult if not impossible figure to defend in this day and age......let alone all the 'too slow' ones in the crop as well......where do they go? :chin:



We agree on this one. I said this at the time when people were throw rocks at the greyhound industry - be careful as at least the greyhound industry had life cycle tracking from birth.

There does need to be far better accountability for 'whole of life'


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« 2020-Jul-28, 02:02 PM Reply #518 »
WTF has Nemo got to do with it  :what:

If you thought the Pacific Dory was from the Pacific Ocean with Product of Vietnam written underneath it then you could not be forgiven.

So is it ok as long as the meat is labelled as horse meat? Or does it need its racing name attached?

The 3600 foals that never entered racing ended up in a lot of different places, quite a few in petfood along with Skippy, Porky and Bugs. Get over it.

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« 2020-Jul-28, 08:03 PM Reply #519 »
Racing NSW boss never saw Ďdefamatoryí show
LANE SAINTY Courier Mail report
 

NSW racing boss Peter Vílandys has never seen the episode of 7.30 he is suing over and may watch it for the first time as a judge scrutinises his reaction in court, his lawyer says.

Mr Vílandys, the chief executive of Racing NSW and NRL chairman, is suing the ABC and journalist Caro Meldrum-Hanna for defamation over the October 2019 broadcast he says painted him as a liar and someone who ďcallously permitted the wholesale slaughterĒ of horses.

The program, titled The Final Race, made serious allegations about retired thoroughbreds meeting a cruel end at knackeries in NSW and Queensland. Mr Vílandys gave an interview to the program, which he complains was spliced with graphic footage of horses being mistreated.

In a hearing before Justice Michael Wigney on Monday, ABC barrister Clarissa Amato said: ďHeís claiming damages for hurt feelings when heís never seen the program.Ē The trial is scheduled for September.

 
Hurt feelings is that all there is Peggy Lee
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=peggy+lee+is+that+all+there+is+song&view=detail&mid=3FA3F78D2981372BA7883FA3F78D2981372BA788&FORM=VIRE0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dpeggy%2blee%2bis%2bthat%2ball%2bthere%2bis%2bsong%26cvid%3d6688e879fc2f45cdb0e09516528146b9%26pglt%3d547%26FORM%3dANNTA1%26PC%3dU531

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2020-Jul-29, 10:42 AM Reply #520 »

The 3600 foals that never entered racing ended up in a lot of different places, quite a few in petfood along with Skippy, Porky and Bugs. Get over it.
That's quite a statement......isn't it Napes?

Especially when it precedes a post where the CEO of RNSW is in court for ??? ......well, I'm not sure.....is he suggesting he doesn't know what's going on?
You know what's going on ......I now know the extent of what's going on.....but the word from the industry is Shsss!

If you add the horses leaving the track to your statement, you'll be vindicating the whole basis of the 7.30 program.
Just proving the accuracy of it as well .  :yes:

As far as Nemo goes.....next time you order fish with an odd name, at an eatery .....ask the waiter 'where is the fish sourced from'?
Odds on they won't know and those in the kitchen who do know, won't be telling ......Shsss!

It's all about deception!



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« 2020-Jul-30, 09:32 AM Reply #521 »
Your random wanderings are starting to sound like another well known contributor.

Your post about Dory was you going to the supermarket to buy fish. There are laws that state the origin of the product must be displayed under the fish!

If you are at a restaurant and they don't know where there produce is coming from, go somewhere else.

What relevance has that to do with people in Europe eating our ex-racehorses?

I am vindicating the slaughter of animals for human and animal consumption.

I am calling out the hypocrites   :yes: who carry on like pork chops and then go home and eat one.

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« 2020-Jul-30, 10:27 AM Reply #522 »
Little point with you, Napes......I suppose you have met and spoken to these 'pork chops' have you?..... or do you just hear about them on Sky :yes:

My 'random wanderings' have absolutely nothing to do with the slaughter of animals for human consumption.
Solely about the deception of the racing industry......if you want to be deceptive, you will at some point be caught.

Rules and laws are only effective if there is someone there to enforce them.
Far too easy to skirt the food industry standards as well.

You just enjoy tucking into those 'flathead tails'.......surely they could only come from from our own Dusky or Sand flathead?.......surely! :no:
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« 2020-Jul-31, 11:02 AM Reply #523 »
Sounding more and more like Mr Mair, the racing industry deceptively hides all the winners from him.

If you are smart enough to work out where all the fish comes from, why can't everyone else?


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« 2020-Jul-31, 01:30 PM Reply #524 »
Is this your 3rd or 4th attempt to set the anti PM chorus on to me?

I've got some news for you.......I would doubt very much, even on here, you'll find much support for your, 'telling it like it is' regarding the 3600 foals from the 2014 crop.
I've got a bit more news for you.......people just want their food labeled correctly.

Boy, I don't blame you for trying to summon up support......you desperately need it!  :bye: :bye:


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