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Offline Gintara

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O.P. « 2018-Dec-05, 12:27 PM »
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/racing/racing-nsw-announce-7-5m-golden-eagle-at-rosehill-20181205-p50ka0.html

Racing NSW announce $7.5m 'Golden Eagle' at Rosehill


By Chris Roots






Racing NSW has extended the Golden brand of Rosehill announcing the $7.5 million Golden Eagle over 1500m for four-year-olds, to be run on November 2 next year.

The race will be part of a $5 million bonus series with the Golden Slipper and Golden Rose.

A $1 million race for three-year-olds, to be named the 'Bondi Stakes' and run over 1600m, was also announced for October 26 - Cox Plate day.

Of the $7.5 million prizemoney on offer in the Golden Eagle, 10 per cent will be donated to charity.


The connections of each runner will nominate a charity that has been accredited with Racing NSW and that charity will receive 10 per cent of the prizemoney won by their horse.

Racing NSW Chief Executive Peter V'landys said he is delighted "the Eagle has landed" in western Sydney.

"The Golden Eagle will be entirely funded by new revenues to the NSW Racing Industry," said Peter V’landys said. "I am delighted that this enables The Golden Eagle to be added as an important feature race at Rosehill and will also distribute $750,000 to charities."

“Now having the third richest race on turf in the world behind The Everest and the France’s Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe, Sydney’s west has the perfect day to celebrate."

The two-year-olds haven't been forgotten, with the $1 million Golden Gift over 1100m to be run at Rosehill on November 9. First and second place in the Gift will also grant entry into the Golden Slipper.

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« 2018-Dec-06, 05:46 PM Reply #1 »
Interesting concept but does Australia have the quality of horses to compete at both carnivals?

Also QE in the autumn seems to have been forgotten in the carnival war. If I was the VRC, I would have their $5m mile race a week before the Doncaster. That will rule out a lot of top milers out of the Doncaster.

Why do I get the feeling the big winners of this prize money will be the big end of the trainers / owners/ breeders etc?

The other more interesting concept would be the crowd size. Eposm Day with G1s struggled because of all the publicity regarding the Everest. I cannot see party goers supporting 4 Saturdays in a row after the initial hype. The Flemington carnival runs for a week with its 4 days.

All V’landys needs to do is get racing a public holiday like Melbourne. Then crowds are almost guaranteed.



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« 2018-Dec-06, 06:21 PM Reply #2 »
Interesting concept but does Australia have the quality of horses to compete at both carnivals?

Also QE in the autumn seems to have been forgotten in the carnival war. If I was the VRC, I would have their $5m mile race a week before the Doncaster. That will rule out a lot of top milers out of the Doncaster.

Why do I get the feeling the big winners of this prize money will be the big end of the trainers / owners/ breeders etc?

The other more interesting concept would be the crowd size. Eposm Day with G1s struggled because of all the publicity regarding the Everest. I cannot see party goers supporting 4 Saturdays in a row after the initial hype. The Flemington carnival runs for a week with its 4 days.

All V’landys needs to do is get racing a public holiday like Melbourne. Then crowds are almost guaranteed.

A public holiday, !! Pigs might  fly,

 V'Landys  has no hope of competing with the Melbourne Spring Carnival, an iconic carnival for horses, fashion and corporate entertainment. Creating races with absurd prizemoney cannot buy tradition.
The non NSW racing public still have never heard of The Everest, now V'Landys has come up with the Golden Eagle & the Bondi Stakes, what will he come with next the Double Bay Stakes ?

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« 2018-Dec-06, 06:30 PM Reply #3 »
A public holiday, !! Pigs might  fly,

 V'Landys  has no hope of competing with the Melbourne Spring Carnival, an iconic carnival for horses, fashion and corporate entertainment. Creating races with absurd prizemoney cannot buy tradition.
The non NSW racing public still have never heard of The Everest, now V'Landys has come up with the Golden Eagle & the Bondi Stakes, what will he come with next the Double Bay Stakes ?

Then non NSW racing public might have forgotten the Everest exists but they would have heard about it.

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« 2018-Dec-06, 06:42 PM Reply #4 »
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/racing/vrc-slams-racing-nsw-s-decision-to-run-7-5-million-race-on-derby-day-20181206-p50koy.html

VRC slams Racing NSW's decision to run $7.5 million race on Derby Day

By Peter Ryan
6 December 2018 — 6:09pm

VRC chair Amanda Elliott has slammed Racing NSW's decision to schedule a new $7.5 million race at Rosehill on Derby Day, describing it as one that shows little regard for or interest in "the bigger picture".

She said scheduling three feature races in Sydney on consecutive Saturdays - from Cox Plate day to the final day of the VRC calendar - without due consideration of the impact the decision would have on racing's participants was a process foreign to the VRC.

In addition to the Golden Eagle, which is a set-weight race for four-year-olds on Derby Day, Racing NSW has also scheduled the Bondi Stakes, a $1 million race for three-year-olds over 1600 metres, at Randwick on Cox Plate day while the Golden Gift, a $1 million race for two-year-olds over 1100 metres, will be run at Rosehill on the final day of the Flemington carnival. The decision will test the depth of quality horses available to contest the card of group races on Derby Day and force jockeys to make tough decisions on where they spend their Saturdays during spring.

"The VRC has always taken its responsibility for Cup week very seriously, in part because of the benefits it brings to the national racing landscape," Elliott said."It not only sits comfortably amongst the top two or three racing events in the world, importantly, it drives investment into our thoroughbred racing industry for all participants, whether they be owners, trainers, jockeys, breeders, punters, or small country race clubs.
"Significantly, it is the single biggest economic contributor to the national economy of any sporting event."What I find baffling, is the seeming lack of understanding of the importance of this as evidenced by recent decisions of RNSW – the lack of understanding of the importance of racing patterns and the rhythm of the calendar for all participants.

"Nothing about the conduct of those north of the border suggests that they have any interest whatsoever in the bigger picture. "Throwing money at 'initiatives' in an isolated parochial way, with no sense of respect nor apparent interest in any impact to these crucial foundations and drivers of our industry, seems foreign to us at the VRC."

Racing Victoria has itself acted unilaterally, announcing last month it was introducing the All-Star Mile to be run over 1600 metres in the autumn carnival next year, a decision it announced before gauging the reaction of Racing NSW. This was widely seen as a response to Racing NSW's $13 million sprint, The Everest, which was first run in 2017.

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« 2018-Dec-06, 09:10 PM Reply #5 »
Then non NSW racing public might have forgotten the Everest exists but they would have heard about it.
I asked a couple of non racing friends if the have ever heard of the Everest, they call came up with that it is the tallest mountain in the world, none knew of the horse race.

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« 2018-Dec-06, 09:36 PM Reply #6 »
They were oblivious to the Opera House controversy ?

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« 2018-Dec-07, 06:51 AM Reply #7 »
They were oblivious to the Opera House controversy ?
Yes, it made the news on one night, which they may have missed. As a racing person I was all over it but they must have been unaware of the controversy and of course they , like most of millenniums , do not read newspapers,
BTW if controversy ,such as a light display on the Opera House , is the only reason non racing people are to be aware of  a horse race it cements the tradition the Melbourne Spring Carnival will always have over V’Landry’s attempts to undermine the carnival.

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« 2018-Dec-07, 07:09 AM Reply #8 »
Isn't it a bit rich of Elliott to be squealing about the insular thing by NSW programmers?

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« 2018-Dec-07, 08:49 AM Reply #9 »
Isn't it a bit rich of Elliott to be squealing about the insular thing by NSW programmers?

Yes

This is the state in which races are run to time regardless of whether a delay of a minute or two would enable punters to punt on and view an inadvertently late-running race in another state.

Selfish pricks. emthdown



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« 2018-Dec-07, 08:50 AM Reply #10 »
No,she makes a good point.  How would RNSW feel if the VRC put on a race worth $x+ millions on Golden Slipper Day, the only day's racing in NSW that creates interest outside of NSW ?
In reality I do not think RNSW has any hope of taking away the tradition and glamour attached, not only to Derby Day. but Cup Week as a whole.

Where does RNSW get all this money,,,,as V'Landys says "The Golden Eagle will be entirely funded by new revenues to the NSW Racing Industry" that is code for "from  punters with their punitive PoCT "....I say no more  :rant: After all V'Landys once said punters would not know whether they bet into a pool with a 20%  or 5% deduction rate.
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« 2018-Dec-07, 08:12 PM Reply #11 »
V’landys has generated good and bad publicity over past few years with the Everest, Championship, Opera House light show etc.

The issue will be the crowds. Punters will bet on anything so having new rich races will always increase turnover.

The old Sydney traditional races are falling by the wayside in marketing etc. I went to the Slipper and Epsom days this year and the room in the members and public was surprising as Winx was also running.

I am also amazed at the much heralded Championship is taking a back seat in the spring carnival wars.

Other than the money, I doubt if anyone from o/s do give a damn about the new races. Racing NSW will be hard pressed to ensure any group status of the races due to the war. Thus the money will be the only attraction for o/s interests.

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« 2018-Dec-07, 09:00 PM Reply #12 »


Nice guys finish last -- especially when they are stupid

RNSW has no intention of ever making 'crowds' a benchmark KPI --- Sydney has beaches and iPhones.

What did RVL think would happen when they abandoned quality racing across the board -- no least destroying the integrity of their major races?

RNSW knew what would happen and has stolen the national racing agenda from RVL.

It did take RNSW 20 years to wake up that 'always wet' Easters made 'always fine' Springs the best time to spend their money.

........   nice Victrorians need to realize that people in NSW are absolute bastards -- will pick up anything left lying on the ground-- and poor old Queenslanders are duttons, always left wondering why the rest of us will simply not do what they demand.

Incidentally, the issues have nothing to do with 'crowds' -- why does anyone think that RNSW rebuilt Randwick with no intention that 'crowds' would ever be there (except modestly when they hand out free tickets to the members stand on Everest days).

RVL is living in a lost world -- just tune in to racing.com for the always smiling clown-show while their racing franchise collapses.

........can we have the Melbourne Cup in the first weeks of March?


 

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« 2018-Dec-07, 09:02 PM Reply #13 »
  How would RNSW feel if the VRC put on a race worth $x+ millions on Golden Slipper Day, the only day's racing in NSW that creates interest outside of NSW ?


  :lol:

The scary part is I think you actually believe what you write  :shutup: It's Peter Mair like when it comes to Victorian racing from you.   :lol:

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« 2018-Dec-07, 09:14 PM Reply #14 »

I would love it -- lets have some kick back

RNSW is making a mockery of the RVL franchise

.......while concerned about 'too much' money being put up for a few races, the prospect of qualifying for a run in those races spills back into the lead-ups making the form more reliable.

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« 2018-Dec-09, 11:01 AM Reply #15 »
Jon Anderson has a weekly column in the Melbourne press titled" Hot Barometer Not'
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In the Not barometer is "Sydney Racing" with Anderson's  comments " A pack of try-hards thinking money can buy history and relevance."'

Touche !!!!
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« 2018-Dec-09, 05:29 PM Reply #16 »
He forgot the rent a party crowd with a marquee and socialites plus the free loaders to make the race day more successful.

Unfortunately from now until the spring, we will see the usual over promotion of horses from the NSW media scribes.

We have some great Sydney races in spring that continues to be overlooked. Another million for each of them will attract the quality etc too.

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« 2018-Dec-09, 08:24 PM Reply #17 »
He forgot the rent a party crowd with a marquee and socialites plus the free loaders to make the race day more successful.

Unfortunately from now until the spring, we will see the usual over promotion of horses from the NSW media scribes.

We have some great Sydney races in spring that continues to be overlooked. Another million for each of them will attract the quality etc too.

There was an example of that yesterday on Sky channel 528  coverage of the WA races where the two NSW based hosts ( Dufficy &  Radley ) were talking up The Golden Eagle as a race that Arcadia Queen should be set for in the spring of 2019. Of course there was  no mention of the Caulfield Cup or  the Cox Plate in the same conversation.

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« 2018-Dec-11, 05:50 AM Reply #18 »
V’landys is unhappy. No mention of below in news Corp articles. It will be very interesting how Sky now promotes the race.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/tabcorp-drops-support-for-rosehill-s-7-5million-golden-eagle-20181210-p50l9v.html


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« 2018-Dec-11, 09:46 AM Reply #19 »
V’landys is unhappy. No mention of below in news Corp articles. It will be very interesting how Sky now promotes the race.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/racing/tabcorp-drops-support-for-rosehill-s-7-5million-golden-eagle-20181210-p50l9v.html
Oh yes there was, on page 53 of Monday's Herald Sun in Melbourne.


TAB plucks Golden Eagle deal
MATTHEW BENNS

GIANT wagering operator TAB has pulled its sponsorship from Sydney’s new $7.5 million Golden Eagle race after pressure from Victoria’s racing bosses.

The new race at Rosehill prompted a furious reaction when it was announced last week because it clashes with Derby Day at the start of Melbourne Cup week.

“I’m in shock that they have shunned Sydney’s west to protect the Melbourne establishment,” Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys said.

“In one breath the Victorians say they are not concerned about the Golden Eagle and try to be condescending about the race, but then they are putting pressure on TAB not to sponsor the race.”

The sponsorship was believed to be worth almost $500,000.

“TAB should be acting in the best interests of their shareholders not the Melbourne establishment, especially considering their NSW wagering division is their most profitable,” V’landys said.

“TAB is a national company not a Victorian company and it wants to be careful not to destroy its relationships with every other states’ racing industry and interstate governments to protect Victoria.”

The Golden Eagle 1500m race for four-year-olds was criticised by VRC chairman Amanda Elliott.

“What I find baffling is the seeming lack of understanding of the importance of (the economic impact of Cup week) as evidenced by recent decisions of RNSW — the lack of understanding of the importance of racing patterns and the rhythm of the calendar for all participants,” Elliott said last week.

A Tabcorp spokesman said: “We cannot comment on commercial negotiations.”
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« 2018-Dec-11, 05:55 PM Reply #20 »
Thanks Bubba. I usually go to the news.com.au website as they don’t need a subscription and cover racing well.

V’landys should be careful of bagging the TAB too much especially with Sky.

Their coverage and promotion of NSW racing has made V’landys job of selling his concepts a lot easier. If Tab had the choice of promoting NSW or Vic spring carnivals, I know what they would pick. V’landys is lucky that Racing.com exists.


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« 2018-Dec-11, 06:33 PM Reply #21 »


Hit by a rainbow

V’landys is lucky that Racing.com exists.


With the exception of Brent Zerafa, the racing.com team of presenters are unwatchable.

No doubt decent youngish men and very well presented in suits and ties -- and then it turns to some parody of the stepford wives club.

........ the rdc  'guidelines for presenters' would be worth reading instead of an enema............ they are turning those selected into insatiably-smiling clowns, apparently unable to see the racing they present turned into tripe with inflated fields.


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