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Offline F50_Aircraft

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O.P. « 2020-Jun-02, 11:21 PM »
Hi everyone,

I'm new on here. I just joined the site. I am interested in Timeform ratings. However I don't know how to work out the Timeform ratings.

The questions that I have a

1. Is there a formula?

2. What is the formula?

3. Are there any other factors used in working out/assessing a horse's performance in terms of a Timeform rating?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks very much.

Offline fours

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« 2020-Jun-02, 11:31 PM Reply #1 »
Hi there,

A jaundiced view is that they are highly biased.

To fix the bias take quite a few points off the British horse ratings, slightly less off the USA ratings and add a whole heap to the Aussie horse ratings and also the Japanese horse ratings.

Lots of controversy on the ''correct" rating for Deep Impact for example.

To give you some idea some of our okay sprinters, but not top line, go over to England and thrash their so called top liners..... take advantage of the overs accordingly.

Fours
« Last Edit: 2020-Jun-03, 12:10 AM by fours »

Offline F50_Aircraft

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« 2020-Jun-03, 11:05 AM Reply #2 »
Hi there,

A jaundiced view is that they are highly biased.

To fix the bias take quite a few points off the British horse ratings, slightly less off the USA ratings and add a whole heap to the Aussie horse ratings and also the Japanese horse ratings.

Lots of controversy on the ''correct" rating for Deep Impact for example.

To give you some idea some of our okay sprinters, but not top line, go over to England and thrash their so called top liners..... take advantage of the overs accordingly.

Fours


Ok but do you know the formula for working out a Timeform rating?

Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2020-Jun-03, 11:08 AM Reply #3 »

Ok but do you know the formula for working out a Timeform rating?

I don't think there is a formula F50.

It is someone's subjective opinion.

In Australia, Gary Crispe's opinion forms the basis of a Timeform rating. Happy to be corrected.

I wouldn't be using Timeform as the basis for any betting system. My opinion anyway.

You'd be better off buying an informed opinion i.e. ratings, or using some of the publicly available ones.

Offline F50_Aircraft

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« 2020-Jun-03, 12:43 PM Reply #4 »

Ok but do you know the formula for working out a Timeform rating?

No i dont know the formula for Timefoem ratings. But if anyone does, let me know.

Offline Wenona

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« 2020-Jun-03, 06:00 PM Reply #5 »
The subjective part would be the class rating for the race.

After that I think it's pretty straight forward - Class + Wt over some allocated figure - margin times a lb figure that would fluctuate depending on the distance + an allowance for age (Inc hemisphere of breeding) which varies depending on date and distance  (don't think  they add for gender but could be wrong).  Not sure if a jockey figure is included.

Apart from that I think the variations are minor.

If you are looking to calculate them yourself you won't be able to because of the subjective class figure.

Racing Post provides rating that I've found pretty good in the past.

I think the best advise about ratings is to buy them rather than calculate them and then understand fully how they are determined. You can then use them in conjunction with your own opinion.


« Last Edit: 2020-Jun-03, 06:01 PM by Wenona »

Offline F50_Aircraft

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« 2020-Jun-03, 10:34 PM Reply #6 »
The subjective part would be the class rating for the race.

After that I think it's pretty straight forward - Class + Wt over some allocated figure - margin times a lb figure that would fluctuate depending on the distance + an allowance for age (Inc hemisphere of breeding) which varies depending on date and distance  (don't think  they add for gender but could be wrong).  Not sure if a jockey figure is included.

Apart from that I think the variations are minor.

If you are looking to calculate them yourself you won't be able to because of the subjective class figure.

Racing Post provides rating that I've found pretty good in the past.

I think the best advise about ratings is to buy them rather than calculate them and then understand fully how they are determined. You can then use them in conjunction with your own opinion.


Maybe i should check the Timeform website


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