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Online jfc

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« 2019-Oct-20, 02:37 PM Reply #325 »
That's clearly not what Bubba meant.

It's hard not to know it was on given the extravagant publicity blitz.

But what else do people know?

Seems to me the majority here don't know what it is.

Do they know that it's fake prize money, fake slot holders and fake consequent exorbitant stud fees?

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« 2019-Oct-20, 03:37 PM Reply #326 »
Bubba - you said this

If you were to ask the non race going public about racing 1/100 would know nothing of the Everest and 80/100 would know of the Cup

I'm telling you while I don't know about Melbourne or other cities, that figure (1/100) would be way out in Sydney. Way, way out. I'd say of the literate adult population in Sydney I'd be surprised if 75/100 didn't know the race was on.
PP7 I will take your superior knowledge of Sydneysiders than myself, however how many literate non racing going AUSTRALIANS do you think know of the Everest against that same group of  AUSTRALIANS knowing about the Melbourne Cup ? If in ten years there is as many in the former as the later you will have won the debate but until then the Everest is coming off a huge back mark.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 03:47 PM Reply #327 »
PP7 I will take your superior knowledge of Sydneysiders than myself, however how many literate non racing going AUSTRALIANS do you think know of the Everest against that same group of  AUSTRALIANS knowing about the Melbourne Cup ? If in ten years there is as many in the former as the later you will have won the debate but until then the Everest is coming off a huge back mark.

Yes. Coming off 80m. But coming nonetheless.

Think I just saw it move past the Caulfield Cup (which has galloped) and the Cox Plate and is coming after the tearaway leader   :biggrin:

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« 2019-Oct-20, 06:34 PM Reply #328 »

..........tangential angles

The posts on this thread are heading in different directions.

The delay, before the commencement of the banking royal commission, is illustrative of the way the world can work slowly when issues are being more sharply defined.

Racing needs an insider 'whistle-blower' to lift the lid on any internals substituting greed for giving the punters a fair go.

There would be some riveting policy papers proposing the payment of prize-money down to 10th -- at both RVL and RNSW.

..... ...... this was greed writ large............ overwhelming the integrity of the product .......... defrauding punters.

The DOJustice in Victoria should be in turmoil about protesting (or not) the renewal of Victorian arrangements allowing rorting.

The ACCC is more 'federal' in its focus but as the pressure builds for a 'please explain' the rorting in the major racing jurisdictions may also build interest in a truly 'national' racing industry policy.

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« 2019-Oct-20, 09:03 PM Reply #329 »
No one wanting to pass on the turnover figures?

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« 2019-Oct-20, 09:58 PM Reply #330 »
I will bite. Some reports are Everest may have surpassed CC in turnover but meeting reports are mixed with Caulfield ahead so not sure what is the truth.

The other issue is that the corporates are also taking a bite too so Tab figures are no longer the end of the saga due to the twists and spins of racing bodies.

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« 2019-Oct-21, 05:26 AM Reply #331 »
No one wanting to pass on the turnover figures?
Try expressing yourself correctly.

And if you want to discuss turnover why don't you table the figures here!

Whereupon you could end up looking stupid.

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« 2019-Oct-21, 06:07 AM Reply #332 »
Come on you two. It was a question I asked about 2 pages back.

No need to jump at shadows. No sinister  motives


Oh, and JFC............
« Last Edit: 2019-Oct-21, 06:11 AM by wily ole dog »

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« 2019-Oct-21, 06:22 AM Reply #333 »
Why haven't you still looked up the turnover for yourself!


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« 2019-Oct-21, 07:29 AM Reply #334 »
Everest expects strong numbers but wagering a tale of two cities

Brendan Cormick
Racing Writer


Wagering turnover may prove to be a tale of two cities, with The Everest meeting expected to again generate strong numbers and some reservations about betting figures on the Caulfield Cup card.

It may take until Tuesday to get a complete picture of TAB and bookmaker turnover and how it compared with recent years when The Everest was run on Caulfield Guineas Day and not Caulfield Cup Day, as it was this year.

The Everest was hailed an extraordinary success by Racing NSW boss Peter V’landys, who applauded the Australian Turf Club for the way they hosted the event. The official attendance of 40,912 — while a fraction down on last year — was more than acceptable.

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At Caulfield, just over 28,000 people experienced four seasons in the day, as compared with in excess of 29,000 last year. With 22,000 attending on Guineas Day and 7000 for Wednesday’s Blue Sapphire Day, overall attendances will be satisfactory.

Melbourne Racing Club chief executive Josh Blanksby said it would be fascinating to see the wagering figures. Guineas Day was down to pre-Everest levels.

“It was a $130m day last year, so we’ll see if having The Everest was a positive or a negative for it,” Blanksby said.

The Melbourne Racing Club entered into a one-year agreement to host a slot in The Everest, the winner of the Schillaci Stakes on October 12 given the opportunity to back up.

Trekking won the Schillaci and finished just under a length from Yes Yes Yes in third place in The Everest. The club shared in $1.24m prizemoney with Godolphin and an MRC member pocketed $50,000 in an owner-for-the-day experience.

“It wasn’t really about the prizemoney but positives associated with the relationship, the PR opportunity and boosting the Schillaci, but we’ll end up making some money out of it,” Blanksby said.

Form guru Gary Crispe said Yes Yes Yes ran to a Timeform rating of 125, which ranks the colt among the very best three-year-old sprinters of the modern era.

“The Everest was an elite Group I standard contest, I don’t think there has been a better sprint race run in the world this year,” Crispe said.

“We have the race’s ‘field strength value’ at a rating of 125 which is higher than the previous two Everests.”

Waller’s training genius cannot be overstated. He admitted to making a mistake preparing Yes Yes Yes for the Golden Rose then urged connections to give the colt his chance in The Everest.

The champion trainer has already prepared the winners of 66 races including five at Group 1 level for stable earnings of $16.6m — and the 2019-20 season is not even three months old.

Yes Yes Yes is likely to return to three-year-old sprints after his brilliant course record-breaking blitz in the world’s richest turf race at Royal Randwick last Saturday.

Trainer Chris Waller and the crack colt’s ownership group including Coolmore Australia will discuss whether to keep Yes Yes Yes in training for at least one more race this spring carnival.

Coolmore’s Rob Archibald said “nothing has been set in stone” for Yes Yes Yes but expects a decision to be made on the colt’s immediate racing future in the next 48 hours.


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/horse-racing/everest-expects-strong-numbers-but-wagering-a-tale-of-two-cities/

They only get 28,000 to the Caulfield Cup these days?

Can someone tell wily, me and Brendan Cormack where we can look up the turnover figures please?

BC seems to be saying they won't be available until tomorrow but JFC is implying they are available now.

The TAB Win Pool holds for NSW were

CC $791,368.80
Ev $1,328,851.70

I would expect Victoria to be the opposite and not sure about other states.

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« 2019-Oct-21, 08:04 AM Reply #335 »
So why didn't you put the Vic figures up!


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« 2019-Oct-21, 09:08 AM Reply #336 »
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 Can someone tell wily, me and Brendan Cormack where we can look up the turnover figures please?

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Thank you

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« 2019-Oct-21, 09:25 AM Reply #337 »
Wily,

you registered here in December 2005.

If you considered yourself wily at that time imagine how much more knowledgeable you are now.

And you ask us to believe you don't know how to look up turnover for yourself, and need others to do it for you!

Now I can't force you or PP7 to disclose Supertab figures but you're not doing yourselves favours by delaying.

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« 2019-Oct-21, 09:29 AM Reply #338 »
Your reading way toooo much into my request  :shy:

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« 2019-Oct-21, 10:00 AM Reply #339 »
Wily,

you registered here in December 2005.

If you considered yourself wily at that time imagine how much more knowledgeable you are now.

And you ask us to believe you don't know how to look up turnover for yourself, and need others to do it for you!

Now I can't force you or PP7 to disclose Supertab figures but you're not doing yourselves favours by delaying.

I couldn't be bothered clearing my cache, deleting cookies and reloading tab.com.au and pretending to be I'm in Victoria

Unless there is another url???

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« 2019-Oct-21, 10:06 AM Reply #340 »
I couldn't be bothered clearing my cache, deleting cookies and reloading tab.com.au and pretending to be I'm in Victoria

Why would anyone want to pretend they are in Victoria? :chin:

Surely it's bad enough actually being there. :tears:

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« 2019-Oct-21, 10:15 AM Reply #341 »
Hope Tabcorp appreciates your testimonial to the intuitiveness of its site.

Bottom left of the Menu panel is a drop-down allowing navigation between NSW VIC ACT.

Evidently they forgotten they bought QLD.

I've spent so much of my life staring at computer screens that my eyes no longer work properly.

And so with my enlarged Zoom that part of the Menu is invisible to me.



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« 2019-Oct-21, 10:41 AM Reply #342 »
Mine is solid green NSW and I cannot change that - if that is what you are talking about.




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« 2019-Oct-21, 11:06 AM Reply #343 »
Wonder why that works for me?

Maybe V'landys got Tabcorp to rig their site so all bets from anywhere get redirected to NSW?

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« 2019-Oct-21, 02:09 PM Reply #344 »
If you are logged in to tab.com.au you can only see the state you are registered in.

However if you open tab.com.au without logging in you get the opportunity to look at different states.

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« 2019-Oct-21, 02:30 PM Reply #345 »
Thanks sobig   emthup

Wow. Talk about transpositions

NSW TAB
CC $791,368.80
Ev $1,328,851.70

Victab
CC 1,351,196.44
Ev 721,529.54

I cannot get the comparative figures because TABCorp only publishes 12 months and the 12 months for Saturday is actually > 12 months by a day or two.

If we were prepared we could get the figures for Derby Day in preparation for the running of the Golden Eagle for the first time.

(The Carbine Club winner went around at Wyong yesterday).




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« 2019-Oct-21, 02:42 PM Reply #346 »

NSW TAB
CC $791,368.80 $1,218,681.40
Ev $1,328,851.70 $1,381,093.10

Victab
CC 1,351,196.44 $1,884,212.31
Ev 721,529.54 $676,485.45

I cannot get the comparative figures because TABCorp only publishes 12 months and the 12 months for Saturday is actually > 12 months by a day or two.

If we were prepared we could get the figures for Derby Day in preparation for the running of the Golden Eagle for the first time.

(The Carbine Club winner went around at Wyong yesterday).
I can.

Presumably I have far more storage than Tabcorp.
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« 2019-Oct-21, 02:44 PM Reply #347 »
I can.

Presumably I have far more storage than Tabcorp.

Well are you going to leave me and wily soaking our own clothes in saliva or publish the data  :what:

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« 2019-Oct-21, 02:56 PM Reply #348 »
Well are you going to leave me and wily soaking our own clothes in saliva or publish the data  :what:
Try looking. I am the one claiming defective eyesight.

Looks like Victoria was damaged.

But NSW could not even improve.

I'm not sure how that furthers racing.

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« 2019-Oct-21, 06:08 PM Reply #349 »
I have myopia and don't have my glasses on me.

Some of the other big betting races in Sydney

Doncaster Hcp Apr 2019 won by Brutal

NSW TAB Win pool $568,294.50 (vs $1,328,851 for Everest)
Vic TAB Win Pool $384,229.33 (vs $751,529 for Everest)


Golden Slipper Mar 2019 won by Kiamici

NSW TAB Win pool $859,606.27 (vs $1,328,851 for Everest)
Vic TAB Win Pool $474,639.94 (vs $751,529 for Everest)


So using (probably) the two biggest betting events run in NSW, The Everest has surpassed them when using both NSW and Victorian punter's betting habits as a measure.

So it follows all those who were bagging the Everest as something that would never work were clearly wrong.

And it would be nice if they acknowledged their error and ate their humble pie here   :lol:


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