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Offline Jeunes

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« 2020-Nov-16, 07:35 AM Reply #625 »
The 'independent' racing-media corp is at it again

..... we do not need this bullshit!

The Hunter meeting matches Sydney turnover

The wagering figures for The Hunter card were strong enough to suggest punters would be happy to have more opportunities to bet on the Newcastle track as the main Saturday meeting.

The meeting, in concert with a feature meeting from Sandown, held similar numbers to a normal Saturday in Sydney and will continue to grow in coming years.


Gelded Purple Sector looks for The Gong

John Thompson is enjoying .... Purple Sector ... hopes he can deliver another $1 million prize in The Gong at Kembla Grange on Saturday.




Once in awhile, I agree with you PM and this is one of those times.

Other than boosting the profile of Newcastle and Kembla, the turnover mentioned in other posts show that feature race prizemoney is too much compared to the benefits.

I donít think it will make one iota of a difference if you give $500k in prizemoney than $1m as the field would be the same.

The Bondi is another race where prizemoney wonít make much of a difference.

I think if you up the prizemoney in the Metropolitan or even some Autmn races, we would be seeing higher quality fields.

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« 2020-Nov-16, 07:26 PM Reply #626 »
Atreus does not post often,

........................... he is 'on the money' .............but up against the real whizz kids in a clique of masked marauders, that I call the 'kennel-klub-kids'  .......... these kids are unbeatable in reading the form and finding long-shot winners............. and telling us every Sunday.


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Quote from: Peter Mair ........... The worst result was in the feature race ...the Hunter F4 paid some $35k .............. who wants to risk being 'gonged' at Kembla next week?



You see bad results, others see opportunity. A large even field racing on a track that provides chances to everyone  :bulb:

I had the 1st four across the line, just not in the right order


..... nonsense of this ilk crowds out any sensible effort to bring defective racing to account.



 

I was going to call you a moron but that's just being insulting to morons  :stop: so either your comprehension skills are pretty ordinary or the meds have warn off  :chin:

I didn't collect anything you flip, I needed the 2nd horse Special Reward for a decent collect but as I said, I had the wrong order.  :bulb:

I rarely take first 4s but the very nature of an even field means the likelihood that we'll get a big dividend  :bulb: so races like last week, the Caulfield, Melb Cup, Epsom etc are great races usually to have a throw at the stumps.  :whistle:

Yet instead you just bitch and moan about expecting racing in lanes and it handed to you on a platter.  emthdown

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« 2020-Nov-17, 04:02 AM Reply #627 »
Quote attributable to Bill Wyman, Sydney Morning Herald: "Compensation is when a person, feeling insecure about oneís abilities in a certain area, compensates by talking loudly about oneís prowess in it. ".

The Rolling Stones bass player works for the Sydney Morning Herald?

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« 2020-Nov-17, 08:34 AM Reply #628 »
The Rolling Stones bass player works for the Sydney Morning Herald?

Multi-talented. Wouldn't surprise if he pops up doing the mounting yard for Grafton today.

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« 2020-Nov-17, 01:27 PM Reply #629 »
P V'Landys is so full of bluster you would think the only book he has read is The Art of the 'Con' by The Trumpster.

A couple of days before a very in depth study about just how painful the whip is to a horse is published, Pete suggests the public just needs to be educated that "The whip doesn't hurt
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/12/horse-whip-humans-feel-same-pain-study-finds

Pete has gone a bit silent now, no doubt greatly comforted in the knowledge that no-one from from the Sydney Racing Press would dare challenge him. :no:
« Last Edit: 2020-Nov-17, 03:30 PM by nemisis »

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« 2020-Nov-17, 02:35 PM Reply #630 »
ABC report on same report.

My friends who are not horse racing regulars contend whip use is cruel. Vílandys who has done a lot of good for racing did not help when he said whips donít hurt. As one of my mate said, Pete should strip to undies and get a kid to whip him (weight proportionate to horse /jockey) and see if it hurts. It was a hilarious discussion but underlined what problems Racing will face in the future and my mates are not greenies.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-12/study-shows-horses-feel-pain-from-whipping-like-humans/12871496

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« 2020-Nov-17, 03:11 PM Reply #631 »


Other than boosting the profile of Newcastle and Kembla, the turnover mentioned in other posts show that feature race prizemoney is too much compared to the benefits.

I donít think it will make one iota of a difference if you give $500k in prizemoney than $1m as the field would be the same.


Considering we are only in year 2 and basically no one on course I think it's way to early to call, the races are perfectly placed, just need time to grow.  :bulb:

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« 2020-Nov-17, 03:28 PM Reply #632 »
ABC report on same report.

My friends who are not horse racing regulars contend whip use is cruel. Vílandys who has done a lot of good for racing did not help when he said whips donít hurt. As one of my mate said, Pete should strip to undies and get a kid to whip him (weight proportionate to horse /jockey) and see if it hurts. It was a hilarious discussion but underlined what problems Racing will face in the future and my mates are not greenies.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-12/study-shows-horses-feel-pain-from-whipping-like-humans/12871496
I'm sure your mate wasn't the only one thinking that Jeunes.
Yet that's how easy it would be for V'Landys to prove his point......no sensible person would need to watch, because we know what the results would be.
I'd be interested to know how many days the welt marks remained.

Pete has probably dodged a bullet by the Uni's only taking skin samples from the thighs of the TB horses at the abattoir ........the brands could tell a whole new story! :what:

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« 2020-Nov-17, 08:26 PM Reply #633 »


'Let me have a go' ------------ about padded whips do not hurt

Circa 2010, after starting the 'padded whips' thread while in Canada in 2009, I was in the company of a leading Sydney jockey.

I explained that, in 2009, I went from the press room at Randwick to the jockeys room ...  borrowed a padded-whip ..... and, giving myself a couple of decent whacks on my leg, said it was preferable to my school experience with both some little-sisters-of-no-mercy and some un-christian brothers.

This leading jockey's reply was .......... let me have a go........... it does...... hurt.

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« 2020-Nov-18, 07:08 AM Reply #634 »
Considering we are only in year 2 and basically no one on course I think it's way to early to call, the races are perfectly placed, just need time to grow.  :bulb:

I am not sure if it is that well placed. I personally think that we need to attract more interstate horses for these races. I personally think we should run a series like these leading upto the Villiers and maybe even the Summer Cup etc. We may get some Doncaster hopefuls get an automatic run if they win the Hunter or Gong or Villiers.

The depth is not there unless you keep upping the prizemoney as the good G1 runners prefer the vic G1 races or in Sydney the Epsom and the Eagle. Automatic qualifications for Doncaster and even Epsom the next year will increase depth and quality every year.

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« 2020-Dec-15, 11:35 AM Reply #635 »
I wonder what Vílandys will say about it as he stated whips donít hurt in the past if the quote attributed to him are correct and Victoria trialling a non whipping series.

If Victoria trial it and then starts to implement it over the next 12 months, by the time the Everest comes around, there will be huge protests from the animal welfare lobby. Usually Vílandys leads the way with his ideas and others do catch up but not sure what his position is going to be.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/a-series-of-whip-free-races-could-be-trialled-in-victoria-over-summer-20201214

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« 2020-Dec-15, 03:51 PM Reply #636 »
'Like East Berlin in the 1980s': Trainer appeals ban over V'landys tweets
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December 15, 2020 ó 12.01am

A bush trainer who was officially warned three times by Racing NSW stewards to stop posting inflammatory comments about the governing body and its chief executive Peter V'landys has appealed her penalty.

Debbie Prest fronted the Racing NSW Appeals panel on Monday in a bid to be cleared of two charges relating to Australian Rule 228 (c), which concerns making improper and insulting comments about the governing body and V'landys.

Debbie Prest arrives at the Racing NSW offices on Monday.




Debbie Prest arrives at the Racing NSW offices on Monday.Credit:Peter Rae/SMH

Prest, who describes herself on Twitter as a "big old country sheila who pulls no punches", landed in hot water for 11 tweets aimed at Racing NSW and a further 29 tweets that were ruled to be personal attacks on V'landys. Her lawyer, Adam Casselden SC, however, argued that most of the posts were responses to V'landys' role in rugby league, not racing.

Casselden, who represented Israel Folau at his disciplinary hearing with Rugby Australia last year, said Racing NSW's crackdown on Prest for "a few tweets about legitimate matters" that were not "offensive or abusive" was reminiscent of "East Berlin in the 1980s".

Casselden was assisted on Monday by solicitor Darren Kane, who is a columnist for the Herald.

Chief steward Marc Van Gestel said Prest had certain responsibilities as a registered trainer and had last year been given a suspended $5000 fine on the condition she did not offend again.

Van Gestel added Prest had begun a "sustained campaign" against V'landys after Racing NSW implemented a "jogging ban" in 2017, aimed at ending the practice of trainers conditioning their horses by leading them while driving a vehicle.

A series of tweets posted by Prest between March and August this year was read out at the three-hour hearing, which was later adjourned for the three-person panel, chaired by Leo Vellis, to consider its verdict. A decision is expected before Christmas.

Van Gestel said Prest's claims that there was one set of rules for "top-end big boys" and a different set for bush battlers was "simply wrong and offensive".

In one post, Prest, who has been involved with racing for more than 40 years and a trainer for 33 years, retweeted quotes from a newspaper article in which former Victorian premier Jeff Kennett labelled V'landys a "silver medallist - and not a good one at that". "Go Jeff Kennett, my new hero," Prest wrote in a post that Van Gestel said was "insulting".

In another, responding to a league story about Sonny Bill Williams being allowed back into the NRL despite having a Super League contract, Prest tweeted: "Welcome to governance V'landys style ..."

On another occasion, she asked a Racing NSW board member if he was "happy with the decision to allow a FULL TIME CEO to do a 'little' job at the ARL?"

Casselden said the social media posts had not been widely read, adding: "With no disrespect to my client ... if you look at the likes or retweets, there is no engagement whatsoever.

"It's not like it has gone viral. It's not like Israel Folau posting a tweet - that tweet goes viral and the commercial partners [of Rugby Australia] are saying. 'You have to do something'."

Casselden said the posts were not "improper and insulting", which was needed to satisfy the charges.

Van Gestel disagreed, saying the posts were exactly that, adding that the league tweets "always turned back into issues about racing" and that others contained factual inaccuracies.

He said V'landys was not some "cadet steward or junior clerk", adding: "We're talking about the CEO of an organisation."

He said the fact Prest had "failed to heed the three previous warnings" - in September 2017, in May 2018 and in October last year, when she was handed a suspended fine - had made it impossible for stewards to turn a blind eye again.


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Pretty harmless opinions IMO  and not defamatory ...wonder how his defamation case is going..... :what:...... crikey Jeff Kennett thinks PV'L is a  "silver medallist - and not a good one at that". that's Kennett for you ........problem the panel has is her antecedents....the stewards were obliged to take action .....possibly a light rebuke no serious penalty.

Giddy Up :beer:



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« 2020-Dec-15, 04:29 PM Reply #637 »
The problem with this one is I have never heard of this trainer and neither probably the majority of the racing public or punters. Now by this action, it is just publicly displaying the comments to a vastly larger audience. Some people might find the comments quite funny especially south of the border.

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« 2020-Dec-15, 05:01 PM Reply #638 »
Debbie Prest was prominent in the 4 Corners episode discussed here earlier.

As was V'landys.

We, in NSW, own the Tote, which is continuing to ail and appears to be getting sold off.

That failure will (in part) be chalked up to V'landys.



https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/off-track/9960642

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« 2020-Dec-16, 07:31 AM Reply #639 »
Whoís the tote being sold off to?

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« 2020-Dec-17, 05:56 AM Reply #640 »
I took at look at Debbie Prest's twitter.......her description of herself as an outspoken old country sheila would be accurate.
Certainly won't be dictated to.

The strongest language I saw was directed squarely at Richie Callander as boss of the Trainers Assoc.....and it was strong.......who could blame her for that?
Imagine being a country trainer and having to have your messages delivered via Richie......how did he qualify for that position? :what: :no:


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« 2020-Dec-17, 06:35 AM Reply #641 »
Below is Richieís latest column. He is having another dig at Racing Victoria. From memory, Waller and Waterhouse called him out regarding his letter to Racing Australia regarding horse safety. The comments below the column are hilarious at times.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/there-s-a-few-things-out-of-control-down-south-20201215

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« 2020-Dec-17, 07:40 AM Reply #642 »
I go straight to the comments.....just to see what Racenet allow......plenty of contributors there are right onto Richie.

Just like Ray Thomas, Richie could be V'Landys press secretary......what a way to go through your life emthdown

Peter V'Landys is a fail for mine......his poorly considered "welfare rules" are proof enough and I'm taking jfc's word on his "tote failings"
He should be paying very close attention to the class action going on in world rugby......that day is coming for league :yes:
Some real leadership will be required then.

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« 2020-Dec-17, 08:43 AM Reply #643 »
Whoís the tote being sold off to?

If what Iím hearing is true, Peter Mair may soon have another reason to moan about News Ltd.


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« 2020-Dec-17, 10:16 AM Reply #644 »
If what Iím hearing is true, Peter Mair may soon have another reason to moan about News Ltd.

Does PM have a point with News Corp owning Racenet and Richie plus Ray Thomas never seeming to criticise Racing NSW? Is the racing media independence there?

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« 2021-Feb-12, 09:47 AM Reply #645 »
P V'Landys just can't seem to keep out of court.
Now he's taking RSL LifeCare to court.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/racing-nsw-rsl-in-court-battle-over-re-training-of-ex-racehorses-20210208-p570l6.html

Hopefully won't come up behind a paywall.
On what Adam Pengilly has produced here I'm believing LifeCare.
It's interesting that the author, who is also employed by Sky Racing, throws in a fair bit of promotion for the "good work" RNSW is doing around welfare.
Sad journalism once again from an "independent" newspaper! emthdown

V'Landys looks all over a Bully Boy. :yes:

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« 2021-Feb-12, 11:10 AM Reply #646 »
Nem, it will be interesting to see who owns the property and the arrangements around that. I am surprised that both sides could not mediate and solve this prior to court.  The lawyers are the real winners here.


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« 2021-Feb-12, 12:47 PM Reply #647 »
Jeunes, the property is not that far from me.
I've always thought it was the original Lomar Stud.....happy to be corrected.

RSL LifeCare have owned it for a while and run the Spur Equine program there.
It was a horse therapy place run by veterans for veterans.
https://rsllifecare.org.au/veterans-services/spur/
I did point out on the 7.30 Final Race thread that it looked to me that RNSW wanted to align themselves with an existing program.
More recently it looks like RNSW are using it for their public relations......I don't think it was ever intended as racehorse re-homing place.

Probably need to be careful what I say or I'll end up in court myself, but this doesn't appear to reflect well on RNSW......wanting to take possession of it????

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« 2021-Feb-12, 04:18 PM Reply #648 »
Nem, to be honest I have never heard of RSLLifecare till I saw your post. I assumed it is connected with the RSL but according to below, I canít see any links other than the name.

https://rsllifecare.org.au/about-us/

Vílandys has done a great job with league coming back and racing not stopping through Covid19.

We can speculate but then again until it goes to court, we wonít know the full details unless a settlement is made. RSLLifecare looks to be a lot smaller than Racing NSW so it will be interesting how this plays out in the media too.




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