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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2019-Nov-03, 01:55 AM Reply #375 »
All reports, crowd today was not flash. Plenty of room and not many queues was the general consensus from some of my mates who went today.

Horses were good especially Pierata and Kolding. The cup field was disappointing compared to the prizemoney offered.

Not sure where they expect the Golden Eagle to be in a few years as my mates got the tickets for free from their TAB account. Then another mate managed to get them members on the day.

They did enjoy the day but also said was too hot and will not be back next year. Atmosphere was ok but nothing like the Slipper at the “Hill”.

I think in general the racing has been excellent this Spring. The Golden Eagle field was of high quality, with the Epsom winner beating triple G1 winner and MM winner Sunlight (hands up those who weren't cheering her on when she hit the front). Of the beaten brigade there was a Doncaster winner, the champion from the West and 3 overseas 4YOs. Apart from Mystic Journey, was there any other significant 4YOs missing?

Crowd shots showed unoccupied seats but this is only the first year and the race never got the publicity of The Everest.

Conceptually, a championship race for 4YOs is a winner IMO. Deserves consideration on whether it would be better off in the Autumn...not convinced either way but it would be a good fit on the Saturday after the All Aged.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 06:01 AM Reply #376 »
I am posting this at the unearthly hour on Sunday morning because I cannot sleep as I fell down some stairs at home the other day and fractured a couple of ribs, so here I go...
Now that Vlandys has now thrown all his eggs into the basket to distract attention away from the Melbourne Spring Carnival to The Everest, The Golden Eagle and a few other races should we  now assess how his attempted sabotage of the Melbourne Carnival has gone?
TAB turnover on Sydney races in  NSW has gone through the roof, in other states it has also increased much to the detriment of Caulfield Cup Day, on Derby Day I have yet to see turnover figures.
On Everest day the attendance at Randwick was far more than the previous year on the same meeting, however on Golden Eagle meeting is was nothing to write home about if one is to take into account all the freebies that were handed out.
In Melbourne the attendance on Caulfield Cup Day was down , however with terrible weather 80,000 + attended Derby Day. The VRC carnival is not only about racing but fashion, socialising, networking etc, if one is to have a look at the amount of resources companies put into marketing and their marquees at the VRC carnival it would double the prize money of all the Sydney races. I doubt what ever Vlandys pulls out of his hat nothing will have any impact on the VRC carnival, you cannot buy tradition by throwing prize money around like confetti,
This is the first running of those races in Sydney, so to be fair, their long term affect is still open to debate, but for the present the Caulfield Cup Day is vulnerable, but Cup Week is untouchable.
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« 2019-Nov-03, 07:55 AM Reply #377 »
Bubbs, in years to come Mackinnon stakes day will grow. Hopefully it takes over from the farcical Cox plate.
I anticipate many of the Eagle 4yo will go to the Mackinnon in the coming years

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« 2019-Nov-03, 08:20 AM Reply #378 »
There was an interesting article below from James McDonald below.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/mixed-emotions-for-james-mcdonald-heading-into-saturday-20191101

I think it sums up many in the industry. Like politics, racing seems to be split. I just did not think the publicity was there for the Golden Eagle compared to Derby Day.

Unfortunately, I don’t know what the answer is. Derby Day is my favourite racing day but it was usually accompanied by mediocre racing. Having the Eagle and Redzel Stakes was a good accompaniment. Big call but Pierata was the best effort yesterday for me.

However for many non race goers, there is no wow factor. The Everest and Melbourne spring carnival does. I was there for the first year of the championship and there was a good buzz but now that has faded too with crowds well off it’s peak. The spring carnival is the same at times but dwarfs Sydney crowds.

Racing NSW quite rightly expects a huge crowd with the Everest but I have not seen anything where they have expressed the wishes for the crowd for the Bondi and the Eagle. The provincial races would be close to full capacity I think.


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« 2019-Nov-03, 01:45 PM Reply #379 »
Rosehill crowd for yesterday was 20,756.

TV audiences: Derby on channel 10 234,000
                     Eagle on channel 7 255,000

                   

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« 2019-Nov-03, 02:16 PM Reply #380 »
Rosehill crowd for yesterday was 20,756.

TV audiences: Derby on channel 10 234,000
                     Eagle on channel 7 255,000

                 

That is not a bad crowd for Sydney at all. Derby day was in the 80s but then again it is Melbourne.    :lol:  

Melbourne Cup crowd at Randwick will be much bigger though.

TV ratings are surprising but I wonder how many like me thought Derby Day was on 7. They are both crap coverages with more on fashion than horses.

The actual race coverage itself is good from all angles including a jockey.
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« 2019-Nov-03, 03:23 PM Reply #381 »
Rosehill crowd for yesterday was 20,756.

TV audiences: Derby on channel 10 234,000
                     Eagle on channel 7 255,000

                 

What I found interesting is that the Melbourne races weren't on the FTA racing.com channel.

Were they on the digital channel?

NSW Punters betting on Vic Races Derby Day - win pools approx

2018 $3,500,000
2019 $2,544,000

Decrease 27.3%

NSW Punters betting on Sydney races Derby Day - win pools approx

2018 $1,457,000
2019 $2,501,000

Increase 71.6%

Given that the jurisdiction "putting on the show" now gets a cut of the action from other states, this might put into focus the purpose of V'Landys trying to repatriate the punting dollars.

Some people are of the erroneous opinion that this is a Racing NSW "ego thing", especially Victorians.

It is all to do with money. It has always been about the money. Money makes the world go around.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 04:14 PM Reply #382 »
Melbourne races were on 529.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 04:19 PM Reply #383 »
Not sure about that logic PP.

All jurisdictions have different fees but about 4% of wagering turnover goes back to the governing body.

Across the Golden Eagle  and the Redzel there was 8.5 million extra prize money on offer from the year prior.

That means they would need to grow turnover across all Wagering Service Providers by over $210 million.

My guess is they may have got 20 million growth, that a hole of over 7.5 million.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 04:50 PM Reply #384 »
Do any of the figures quoted include Corporates and TAB fixed odds?

Not sure what the real figures as fixed odds and corporate betting has decimated the Tab figures with most corporates now offering best of 3 totes.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 04:54 PM Reply #385 »
The figures quoted are TAB win which is how I have estimated total turnover growth would be 20 million give or take.

20 million is in the vicinity of 800k revenue to the governing body

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« 2019-Nov-03, 05:11 PM Reply #386 »
The figures quoted are TAB win which is how I have estimated total turnover growth would be 20 million give or take.

20 million is in the vicinity of 800k revenue to the governing body

So in other words, some of the new races will never pay for itself.

However will the extra sponsorship and crowds offset this?

That is the question otherwise it is an nightmare for Racing NSW in the long run.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 07:16 PM Reply #387 »
Progress is doing something for $1 million that used to cost $10 million. 

The Everest and Golden Eagle were good races but they were worthy of total prizemoney of only 1.5 million.  In the past races like the TJ Smith has had fields on a par with the Everest for much less prizemoney and much less promotional cost

The advertising bill for the Everest and the Golden Eagle would be huge and has to be added to the huge prizemoney cost

My guess is that Racing NSW will start selling racecourses soon just like Harness racing in NSW sold Harold Park

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« 2019-Nov-03, 08:38 PM Reply #388 »
It seems everyone is avoiding the elephant in the room.

The question that no one has asked.

Okay then I will take up the job...

Bubba.
Were you drinking when you fell?
Whatever the answer I'm sure all here  join with me in wishing you a speedy recovery.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 08:58 PM Reply #389 »
So in other words, some of the new races will never pay for itself.

However will the extra sponsorship and crowds offset this?

That is the question otherwise it is an nightmare for Racing NSW in the long run.

The majority of the money for the new races comes from the new "tax parity" policy of the NSW Government.

Up until recently, the NSW racing industry was giving back to the government far in excess of what any other state was.

Tax rates on racing bets in NSW will be brought into line with Victoria's to boost the industry's competitiveness and make NSW the premier racing state. ... The new racing tax scheme begins on 1 January 2016. It will involve a five-year step-down in the Government's take on bets to reach parity with Victoria in 2019-20.

https://www.justice.nsw.gov.au/Pages/media-news/media-releases/2015/tax-parity-make-nsw-premier-racing-state.aspx

Your rhetorical question that "the races will never pay for themselves" can be applied equally to Victoria or any other state. The exception being The Everest, The Magic Millions and the Inglis series of races.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 09:00 PM Reply #390 »
Not sure about that logic PP.

All jurisdictions have different fees but about 4% of wagering turnover goes back to the governing body.

Across the Golden Eagle  and the Redzel there was 8.5 million extra prize money on offer from the year prior.

That means they would need to grow turnover across all Wagering Service Providers by over $210 million.

My guess is they may have got 20 million growth, that a hole of over 7.5 million.

See tax parity post.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 09:02 PM Reply #391 »
It seems everyone is avoiding the elephant in the room.

The question that no one has asked.

Okay then I will take up the job...

Bubba.
Were you drinking when you fell?
Whatever the answer I'm sure all here  join with me in wishing you a speedy recovery.

Yes.

All the best for a speedy recovery Bubba.

I actually think Bubba fell over when he heard PVL suggesting that the date of the Melbourne Cup be moved.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 09:05 PM Reply #392 »
Melbourne races were on 529.

Mate I hope I'm not showing my ignorance, but what is 529? Sounds like an AM radio frequency down the left hand side of the dial.

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« 2019-Nov-03, 09:33 PM Reply #393 »
Mate I hope I'm not showing my ignorance, but what is 529? Sounds like an AM radio frequency down the left hand side of the dial.
come on PP7 529 is the foxtell channel

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« 2019-Nov-04, 06:18 AM Reply #394 »
JWH & PP7  thanks for your thoughts on my broken ribs.
A. I was walking downstairs, without the lights on and tripped and fell and I had not being drinking. Nothing like an old fool.  :lol:
B. Having broken ribs is not fun. I can take a limited amount of pain killers but sleeping at night is difficult. I now sleep in an armchair where I am restricted in my movement.
C. The doctor said it can take up to 6 weeks to heal, so I guess I will turn on the lights in the future when navigating stairs.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 06:42 AM Reply #395 »
JWH & PP7  thanks for your thoughts on my broken ribs.
A. I was walking downstairs, without the lights on and tripped and fell and I had not being drinking. Nothing like an old fool.   :lol:  
B. Having broken ribs is not fun. I can take a limited amount of pain killers but sleeping at night is difficult. I now sleep in an armchair where I am restricted in my movement.
C. The doctor said it can take up to 6 weeks to heal, so I guess I will turn on the lights in the future when navigating stairs.

Hope u get well. On bright side, you can spend more time in front of the tv for cup week.   :lol:

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« 2019-Nov-04, 07:53 AM Reply #396 »
It seems everyone is avoiding the elephant in the room.

The question that no one has asked.

Okay then I will take up the job...

Bubba.
Were you drinking when you fell?
Whatever the answer I'm sure all here  join with me in wishing you a speedy recovery.

Yes i agree abd BUBBA, don't be an old fuddy duddy and refuse the endone

It will help

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« 2019-Nov-04, 08:05 AM Reply #397 »
come on PP7 529 is the foxtell channel

Mate who uses the channel numbers on Foxtel any more   :lol:

Thank you for the clarification. I might punch those numbers in if I can remember how to do it.

I did check out the racing.com channel on Foxtel and the Melbourne races were definitely not on.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 02:15 PM Reply #398 »
They certainly were PP and I watched most of them there.


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« 2019-Nov-04, 03:17 PM Reply #399 »
They were on 529 Foxtel.

PP is talking about FTA isn't he?


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