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« 2019-Nov-04, 03:32 PM Reply #400 »
They were on 529 Foxtel.

PP is talking about FTA isn't he?

Correct.

Just checked and it is Channel 078 in the Digital TV selection on my TV and definitely called racing.com

Didn't have the Melbourne races on.

EDIT: I wasn't aware that Channel 10 had the FTA rights and didn't think to check there.
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« 2019-Nov-04, 06:31 PM Reply #401 »
I watched Derby Day all day on racing.com/C78.   It was definitely FTA in Victoria.   I switched back and forth to C10 to see how they were travelling.  Didn't bother with C7.


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« 2019-Nov-04, 06:39 PM Reply #402 »
C78/racing.com will also be covering -

Flemington, Echuca and Morphettville on Tuesday from 10.34am
Flemington, Pakenham and Gawler on Thursday from 11.30am
and Flemington, Geelong, Morphettville & Sha Tin on Saturday from Noon

Maybe its a Foxtel thing.



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« 2019-Nov-04, 07:04 PM Reply #403 »

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« 2019-Nov-04, 08:49 PM Reply #404 »
I watched Derby Day all day on racing.com/C78.   It was definitely FTA in Victoria.   I switched back and forth to C10 to see how they were travelling.  Didn't bother with C7.

My wife wanted to watch what we thought would have been the usual Channel 7 coverage so I tried Channel 7 (who were at Rosehill) then while the 2nd race was being run I tried Ch78 and it seemed to have the same coverage as Channel 7 in NSW. I think they were still showing Adelaide.

I said to her I'll put it on Sky1 but she just wanted to watch the fashions and all that and they had that on 78 so she was happy. I watched Sky1 up in the office.

Ironically they are saying that the Channel 7 coverage outrated the Channel 10 coverage and I reckon that is because a lot of people were expecting Channel 7 to have Melbourne on but these people (like my wife) aren't too fussed and are just happy to watch and listen to Bruce and co. As far as they are concerned the races could have been at Gulargambone and it wouldn't have mattered.

I never have any reason to watch Channel 10 so the advertising didn't reach me. Haven't watched Channel 10 since they ran Number 96 and reruns of Gilligan's Island.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 09:46 PM Reply #405 »
I went to the local tab tonight to place some bets for my family and in-laws. It was not even 9.30 and it was shut. In the old days, Cup eve was 10-10.30pm closure.

I blame it on Vlandys for making the Tab shut early. It is an Everest conspiracy.  :tin:

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« 2019-Nov-04, 09:59 PM Reply #406 »
I went to the local tab tonight to place some bets for my family and in-laws. It was not even 9.30 and it was shut. In the old days, Cup eve was 10-10.30pm closure.

I blame it on Vlandys for making the Tab shut early. It is an Everest conspiracy.  :tin:

  :lol:

When I go up to Port (which is quite often) I can get a bet on at 2 a.m. at the local pub - either the terminal or over the counter.

Very hard for TABs to be competitive with pubs and clubs and corporates, and at the same time be profitable these days. Used to be a licence to print money.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 10:11 PM Reply #407 »
   :lol:  

When I go up to Port (which is quite often) I can get a bet on at 2 a.m. at the local pub - either the terminal or over the counter.

Very hard for TABs to be competitive with pubs and clubs and corporates, and at the same time be profitable these days. Used to be a licence to print money.

Port is nice but south coast is my preference due to less crowds especially if you drive past Batemans etc.

Eden used to have more pubs from memory as last visit was 10 years ago. It was quiet and relaxing.  Merimbula, Tathra , Jervis Bay etc were nice too. Very peaceful drive and beaches everywhere where sometimes you donít see people for a bit. Changed over last few years but still pleasant.

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« 2019-Nov-04, 10:49 PM Reply #408 »
Port is nice but south coast is my preference due to less crowds especially if you drive past Batemans etc.

Eden used to have more pubs from memory as last visit was 10 years ago. It was quiet and relaxing.  Merimbula, Tathra , Jervis Bay etc were nice too. Very peaceful drive and beaches everywhere where sometimes you donít see people for a bit. Changed over last few years but still pleasant.

My elderly father still lives at home by himself in Port - that is why I am up there so often. The pub and the Westport Bowling Club are open until 3 a.m. to accommodate the large tourist element there - lots of international visitors - both older couples and backpackers. Very vibrant place these days. Lots of restaurants which seem to be always full.

Love Ulladulla and Bateman's Bay. Aforementioned father built a holiday house in Ulladulla back in the 60's with two mates and had many a nice time there.

I aspire to live in Forster but wife wants to stay close to the kids so I reckon the best chance I'll have of escaping Sydney will be if one of them moves up to Queensland.

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« 2019-Nov-05, 05:24 PM Reply #409 »
Heard on the radio that crowd at Randwick today for MC day was in excess of 14k. Very good for a weekday. Not much in promotions too otherwise they would have cracked 20k.

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« 2019-Nov-11, 09:56 PM Reply #410 »
The Hunter this weekend seems like a good race if some of the horses nominated run.

Vílandys could be on a winner especially if they can attract the group or listed carnival horses that may go to an easier option than the West especially with $1m on offer with less travel for the horses.

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« 2019-Nov-20, 05:40 PM Reply #411 »
Perfect weather in Sydney today but only 51 runners for the Rosehill midweek meeting which is a bad sign for summer racing in Sydney town

Sydney has had a small field issue for as long as I can remember.  But clearly years and years of V'Landys raising betting taxes and raising prizemoney sky high has done nothing to solve the small field problems in Sydney racing

Waller has been the main beneficiary of the new big trillion dollar races this spring because he has most of the good horses.  He is allowed to control way too many of the good horses.  Stable limits need to come in as per Hong Kong if Sydney racing is to thrive.  The wealth and the equine talent needs to be spread around more

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« 2019-Nov-20, 08:19 PM Reply #412 »

Waller has been the main beneficiary of the new big trillion dollar races this spring because he has most of the good horses.  He is allowed to control way too many of the good horses.  Stable limits need to come in as per Hong Kong if Sydney racing is to thrive.  The wealth and the equine talent needs to be spread around more

You are on the wrong thread Atreus.

The Waller conspiracy theorists reside on the Chris Waller thread

http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/trainer/chris-waller/

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« 2019-Nov-20, 08:46 PM Reply #413 »
Perfect weather in Sydney today but only 51 runners for the Rosehill midweek meeting which is a bad sign for summer racing in Sydney town

Sydney has had a small field issue for as long as I can remember.  But clearly years and years of V'Landys raising betting taxes and raising prizemoney sky high has done nothing to solve the small field problems in Sydney racing

Waller has been the main beneficiary of the new big trillion dollar races this spring because he has most of the good horses.  He is allowed to control way too many of the good horses.  Stable limits need to come in as per Hong Kong if Sydney racing is to thrive.  The wealth and the equine talent needs to be spread around more

Really interesting about the small fields. In Hawkesbury tomorrow , there are 72 runners listed while Moe has 102 runners. Hawkesbury already has 12 scratchings while Moe has 14. Scone running tomorrow has more than 120 listed with 12 scratchings.

Maybe instead of trying to invent new races to compete with the Spring Carnival, there should be more money in the lower end of the spectrum to help the battlers out.

The Everest being $10 million or $14 million does not make a difference. However $2000 extra per country or provincial race will mean better prizemoney for 2000 races instead of 1.

It may increase race fields too in the long run.

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« 2019-Nov-20, 09:25 PM Reply #414 »
I've given up trying to explain the prizemoney concept of The Everest to people like Jeunes and attempting to get them to understand how you cannot just take money off that race and spend it elsewhere.

It's like explaining to my 86 year old father how to use Netbank.

Anyone else want to have a crack?

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« 2019-Nov-20, 09:43 PM Reply #415 »
I've given up trying to explain the prizemoney concept of The Everest to people like Jeunes and attempting to get them to understand how you cannot just take money off that race and spend it elsewhere.

It's like explaining to my 86 year old father how to use Netbank.

Anyone else want to have a crack?

Sometimes, it is hard for me to understand take off means. You start a race with $10 million, then you give it extra and say now that is given, we will give it more in the future.

However if anyone says, donít give anymore  Peteís fans will take umbrage at it. It is going from $10million to $15 million in 2020 with rises since the first inception.

Break it up for me PP as I must be losing it on my calculator. The 12 slot holders pay $600k per slot. First year they contributed 72% of the prizemoney. Now  the prizemoney increase to $15 million in 2020 means they will now only contribute 48% of the prizemoney.









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« 2019-Nov-22, 08:26 PM Reply #416 »
Sometimes, it is hard for me to understand take off means. You start a race with $10 million, then you give it extra and say now that is given, we will give it more in the future.

However if anyone says, donít give anymore  Peteís fans will take umbrage at it. It is going from $10million to $15 million in 2020 with rises since the first inception.

Break it up for me PP as I must be losing it on my calculator. The 12 slot holders pay $600k per slot. First year they contributed 72% of the prizemoney. Now  the prizemoney increase to $15 million in 2020 means they will now only contribute 48% of the prizemoney.

I am still waiting for an explanation how a race that where slotholders paid 72% of a prize pool but now only pay 48% of the pool is fair when the prizemoney increase did not add value as the quality of sprinters were the same.


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« 2019-Nov-22, 08:54 PM Reply #417 »
I am still waiting for an explanation how a race that where slotholders paid 72% of a prize pool but now only pay 48% of the pool is fair when the prizemoney increase did not add value as the quality of sprinters were the same.

This is facile.

You could make that "value" argument about any number of races run around Australia but you hone in on The Everest.

Geez it must really grate you that this race has become the #2 race in Australia so quickly.

One could argue that the quality of the sprinters was better because Yes, Yes, Yes broke the track record beating the current TJ Smith titleholder who also broke his own track record.

The only people still whinging about the race are people who are living in the past and cannot accept that things change.

Move on.

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« 2019-Nov-22, 09:01 PM Reply #418 »
This is facile.

You could make that "value" argument about any number of races run around Australia but you hone in on The Everest.

Geez it must really grate you that this race has become the #2 race in Australia so quickly.

One could argue that the quality of the sprinters was better because Yes, Yes, Yes broke the track record beating the current TJ Smith titleholder who also broke his own track record.

The only people still whinging about the race are people who are living in the past and cannot accept that things change.

Move on.

Címon Peterís Pen, I have always supported. Read my posts but I donít see the point why you would add an extra $5 million to the race when the quality of the sprinters would be the same.

Must really grate you Peterís Pen that people can support a concept but still look at it objectively.

Yet again you duck the question on the value of the extra prizemoney and throw mud as usual as it could ask questions of your mate Peterís judgement.

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« 2019-Nov-22, 09:17 PM Reply #419 »
Címon Peterís Pen, I have always supported. Read my posts but I donít see the point why you would add an extra $5 million to the race when the quality of the sprinters would be the same.

Must really grate you Peterís Pen that people can support a concept but still look at it objectively.

Yet again you duck the question on the value of the extra prizemoney and throw mud as usual as it could ask questions of your mate Peterís judgement.

You are setting up a circular argument that I cannot win.

If I point out the added money going into the regional racing industry, as I have, in races like The Hunter and The Gong, the Country and Provincial Championships and The Kosciuszko, your "bestie" comes on here and froths that it is only for millionaires.

If I point out that there has been a quantum increase in prizemoney for country and provincial racing which has turned former part timers into professionals you will make no comment.

When I pointed out that the increase in prizemoney came from the tax parity issue being fixed and posted a link you and your bestie went mute.

You would have more credibility if your arguments extended outside of NSW but they don't do they.

The fact is it has never been a better time to own a racehorse in NSW and that comes down to the efforts of your worst enemy. That must really hurt.

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« 2019-Nov-23, 05:49 AM Reply #420 »
You are setting up a circular argument that I cannot win.

If I point out the added money going into the regional racing industry, as I have, in races like The Hunter and The Gong, the Country and Provincial Championships and The Kosciuszko, your "bestie" comes on here and froths that it is only for millionaires.

If I point out that there has been a quantum increase in prizemoney for country and provincial racing which has turned former part timers into professionals you will make no comment.

When I pointed out that the increase in prizemoney came from the tax parity issue being fixed and posted a link you and your bestie went mute.

You would have more credibility if your arguments extended outside of NSW but they don't do they.

The fact is it has never been a better time to own a racehorse in NSW and that comes down to the efforts of your worst enemy. That must really hurt.

I have always been a supporter of Peteís method of throwing money back into racing.

I just donít believe the Everest needs more money. We need it more in the country or provincial circuit. I have been an advocate of throwing more money at our current G1s to bring more interstate horses.

Randwick Guineas and Ranvet Stakes are prime examples with the Australian Guineas and Australian Cup attracting better fields. All Star mile horses too will not come to Sydney for awhile too. We need to also get some good quality WFA horses in the spring races too especially after Wink. The WFA ranks in Australia are very thin.

The Everest has guaranteed that we have the best sprinting field running in Sydney every year. This years field had the best group of runners in any race in Australia this year. I have said that previously and will still stand by it. The additional prizemoney is just a boost to the owners and nothing else.

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« 2019-Nov-23, 07:02 AM Reply #421 »

Randwick Guineas and Ranvet Stakes are prime examples with the Australian Guineas and Australian Cup attracting better fields.

Geez you have a knack of chucking in false premise statements that just don't stand up to scrutiny.

Randwick (previously Canterbury) Guineas vs Australian Guineas since 2000

Highlighted ones are my opinion of top class. I would have the Randwick Guineas ahead comfortably.

Year Randwick Guineas Australian Guineas
2019 The Autumn Sun (AUS) 2015 Mystic Journey (AUS) 2015
2018 Kementari (AUS) 2014 Grunt (NZ) 2014
2017 Inference (AUS) 2013 Hey Doc (AUS) 2013
2016 Le Romain (AUS) 2012 Palentino (AUS) 2012
2015 Hallowed Crown (AUS) 2011 Wandjina (AUS) 2011
2014 Dissident (AUS) 2010 Shamus Award (AUS) 2010
2013 Dundeel (NZ) 2009 Ferlax (NZ) 2009
2012 Mosheen (AUS) 2008 Mosheen (AUS) 2008
2011 Ilovethiscity (AUS) 2007 Shamrocker (NZ) 2007
2010 Shoot Out (AUS) 2006 Rock Classic (AUS) 2006
2009 Metal Bender (NZ) 2005 Heart Of Dreams (AUS) 2005
2008 Weekend Hussler (AUS) 2004 Light Fantastic (AUS) 2004
2007 Mentality (AUS) 2003 Miss Finland (AUS) 2003
2006 Hotel Grand (AUS) 2002 Apache Cat (AUS) 2002
2005 Jymcarew (AUS) 2001 Al Maher (AUS) 2001
2004 Niello (AUS) 2000 Reset (AUS) 2000
2003 Fine Society (AUS) 1999 Delago Brom (AUS) 1999
2002 Carnegie Express (NZ) 1998 Dash For Cash (AUS) 1998
2001 Universal Prince (AUS) 1997 Mr. Murphy (AUS) 1997

Both the Ranvet and the Australian Cup have seen better days.

Year Ranvet Australian Cup
2019 Avilius (GB) 2014 Harlem (GB) 2012
2018 Gailo Chop (FR) 2011 Harlem (GB) 2012
2017 Our Ivanhowe (GER) 2010 Humidor (NZ) 2012
2016 The United States (IRE) 2010 Preferment (NZ) 2011
2015 Contributer (IRE) 2010 Spillway (GB) 2010
2014 Silent Achiever (NZ) 2008 Fiorente (IRE) 2008
2013 Foreteller (GB) 2007 Super Cool (AUS) 2009
2012 Manighar (FR) 2006 Manighar (FR) 2006
2011 Zavite (NZ) 2002 Shocking (AUS) 2005
2010 Theseo (AUS) 2003 Zipping (AUS) 2001
2009 Theseo (AUS) 2003 Niconero (AUS) 2001
2008 Tuesday Joy (NZ) 2003 Sirmione (AUS) 2003
2007 Desert War (AUS) 2000 Pompeii Ruler (AUS) 2002
2006 Eremein (AUS) 2001 Roman Arch (AUS) 1998
2005 Grand Armee (AUS) 1998 Makybe Diva (GB) 1999
2004 Sound Action (AUS) 1999 Lonhro (AUS) 1998
2003 Republic Lass (AUS) 1998 Northerly (AUS) 1996
2002 Universal Prince (AUS) 1997 Old Comrade (AUS) 1997
2001 Tie The Knot (AUS) 1994 Northerly (AUS) 1996

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« 2019-Nov-23, 07:20 AM Reply #422 »
Gee, PP again you are being selective and not reading the posts correctly as usual.

My comment was on better fields and not winners. Majority of the time, the fields in Sydney are smaller and less in the quality aspect. Australian Guineas and Australian Cup have attracted better overall fields and bigger fields for open racing fields.

The Ranvet over the years has an average field of 8-10 runners max. The quality is at the top but the depth is not there.

On a side note, Mosheen was the only winner of both according to the results. Dissident won more G1s than Le Romain. I would put Shamus Award up there too as he won the Cox Plate too. Carnegie Express should have won the triple crown if the jockey did not go too early in the Derby. Preferment was underrated compared to a couple. VRC Derby and a few other G1s too. Old Comrade beat Northerly too.

Interesting when you look at the Guineas races, how many of them did not go on to big race wins as 4yo or up.

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« 2019-Nov-23, 07:20 AM Reply #423 »

Randwick Guineas and Ranvet Stakes are prime examples with the Australian Guineas and Australian Cup attracting better fields.

In fact when you think about it the VRC has almost sacrificed the Australian Cup for the All Star Mile.

Trainers of good horses aimed at the ASM are not going to be having their lead up race over 2000m then dropping them back to 1600m.

The Australian Cup is likely to be populated with stayers going to Sydney for the Tancred and Sydney Cup.

ASM horses are more likely to go on to Sydney for the Doncaster and the QE2.

The quality of the Australian up can only suffer with the advent of the All Star Mile.


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« 2019-Nov-23, 07:24 AM Reply #424 »
Gee, PP again you are being selective and not reading the posts correctly as usual.

My comment was on better fields and not winners. Majority of the time, the fields in Sydney are smaller and less in the quality aspect. Australian Guineas and Australian Cup have attracted better overall fields and bigger fields for open racing fields.

The Ranvet over the years has an average field of 8-10 runners max. The quality is at the top but the depth is not there.

On a side note, Mosheen was the only winner of both according to the results. Dissident won more G1s than Le Romain. I would put Shamus Award up there too as he won the Cox Plate too. Carnegie Express should have won the triple crown if the jockey did not go too early in the Derby. Preferment was underrated compared to a couple. VRC Derby and a few other G1s too. Old Comrade beat Northerly too.

Interesting when you look at the Guineas races, how many of them did not go on to big race wins as 4yo or up.

Thank you Peter Mair.

Totally disagree. Field size has nothing to do with quality.

Have you not been watching Winx?


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