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Offline nemisis

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« 2019-Nov-28, 11:02 AM Reply #450 »
How's the way he says that the spike in betting turnover is due to racing.com!!

And then he goes on to say the reason is that Sky reaches only 24% of the population compared to 98% for FTA.

Can someone quote me the ratings for racing.com? Last time I looked you cannot because they hide it from the public - we can only assume the reason being that it is so hideously low they don't want advertisers to see it.

https://oztam.com.au//documents/2019/OzTAM-20191110-A1MetTTVShrCons.pdf

He briefly mentions the real reason for the spike - competition among Corporates & TAB.

Talk about ingratiating yourself with the hosts    :lol:
2KSKY dropped out of radio ratings in 2003......the only advertisers they had were the TAB, a couple of loan sharks, an erectile dysfunction company and Dynamic Syndications.  :lol:  

Mike Symons is employed by Racing.com.

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« 2019-Nov-28, 02:18 PM Reply #451 »
While its ratings are very low sky sports radio in Sydney is included in all ratings reports.

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« 2019-Nov-28, 02:20 PM Reply #452 »
2KSKY dropped out of radio ratings in 2003......the only advertisers they had were the TAB, a couple of loan sharks, an erectile dysfunction company and Dynamic Syndications.  :lol:  

Mike Symons is employed by Racing.com.

We can actually test Mike Symon's theory about racing.com being the reason for the spike in betting.

There should be a similar rise in turnover on South Australian racing when their racing product moved to racing.com.

In fact it should be even more because their digital product is still available on tab.com.au for those of us who like to be able to access replays via that web site.

Without looking I'm going to confidently say that there has been no similar increase in betting on SA racing.

In fact the main players in SA racing look like they cannot get out quick enough and move interstate - principally Victoria.



The spike in turnover was a false economy caused by the competition between Corporate bookmakers and TAB.

As I was saying at the time, "enjoy it while it lasts".

What we are seeing is a fallback to the original projections before the introduction of Corporate bookmakers to the market.

As is often the case in modern society, alarmists and alarmism get more copy than they deserve.

It is not the end of the earth. Peter V'Landys is not some sort of "Lex Luthor" character out to destroy racing.

Corporate bookmakers have only their collective selves to blame for the drop in turnover.

The attempt to blame others is bordering on the pathetic. Reminds me of the days post Racefields High Court decision where they were claiming victory in spite of having their arses handed to them.



And the attempts to discredit Racing NSW via "unsustainable" prizemoney increases when in fact the increases come from Tax Parity - what can I say.

Where were these critics when the Victorian TAB was set up with an interest in poker machines given to them as "compensation"? Other states were given no such golden goose. Where were the people complaining about "unsustainable prizemoney increases" - as I was at the time - when Victoria was racing ahead of the rest of Australia and gloating about it?

People have very short, selective memories when it comes to the history of prizemoney increases in Australian racing.

Now that that goose is cooked and the worm has turned we get all this bitch moaning about races like The Everest.

RVL now faces a cashed up interstate competitor and must fund their own prizemoney increases out of their own pocket to keep up.

At the same time they must fund their own TV station which we all know from TVN days is not cheap. The commercial relationship they had with Channel 7 was never disclosed but the fact that the Melbourne Cup carnival was switched to Channel 10 (another fantastic decision) suggests that they might fully fund it.

They had the option of getting paid for the broadcast rights by TAB or going it alone. In retrospect I wonder how that decision looks now?

In fact some of the stupid and wasteful "pro corporate" decisions taken by the egos on the board of RVL when the rivers of gold flowed led to the Minister effectively sacking the entire board.



My predictions?

I'd be very surprised if racing.com isn't owned by the TAB within 5 years.

There will be (at most) two corporates plus TAB.

Because of the new wagering model, the larger racing states of NSW and Victoria will grow at the expense of other states - been saying that for a while for anyone who cares to listen. From the perspective of an Australian Racing advocate, that is the big issue facing our collective Racing industry. I have been expressing concern for the health of the Queensland racing industry for some time on this forum citing this very reason. The corporates entering the market have facilitated this two state model.

The issue is not who has the bigger dick - NSW or Victoria. Not Peter V'Landys putting on a set of horns and trying to destroy Victoria. And I do not care for the whinging and whining of big punters who get rebates and didn't have to do the form guide study the rest of us do to make a buck. Nor do I care for their bookmaking buddies with their fanciful stories about "regular" punters turning over $162 million in a year making out they are the norm.

My advice? Suck it up or f. off.

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« 2019-Nov-28, 02:21 PM Reply #453 »
2KSKY dropped out of radio ratings in 2003......

Where did you get that from?

They were 2KY, then became something else - Racing Radio I think it is now known as.

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« 2019-Nov-28, 02:33 PM Reply #454 »
Where did you get that from?

They were 2KY, then became something else - Racing Radio I think it is now known as.
https://www.radioinfo.com.au/news/2sm-pulls-out-sydney-ratings

Please read the whole thing!

Don't pay them any attention anymore, so apologies if I missed their re-entry.

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« 2019-Nov-28, 04:10 PM Reply #455 »
https://www.radioinfo.com.au/news/2sm-pulls-out-sydney-ratings

Please read the whole thing!

Don't pay them any attention anymore, so apologies if I missed their re-entry.

So your googling turned up a document that is 16 years old with outdated information.

I couldn't manage that if I tried so well done.

Took me about 2 seconds to locate the latest ratings so not sure how you could have "missed their re-entry" and posted a 16 year old document instead.

https://mumbrella.com.au/sydney-radio-ratings-alan-jones-holds-onto-breakfast-crown-despite-controversy-600578

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« 2019-Nov-28, 04:52 PM Reply #456 »
So your googling turned up a document that is 16 years old with outdated information.

I couldn't manage that if I tried so well done.

Took me about 2 seconds to locate the latest ratings so not sure how you could have "missed their re-entry" and posted a 16 year old document instead.

https://mumbrella.com.au/sydney-radio-ratings-alan-jones-holds-onto-breakfast-crown-despite-controversy-600578
Is this your gotcha moment?  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

All I remember way back then was 2KSKY didn't accept what the ratings were telling them, so they opted out.

Like I said I don't pay them any attention anymore and couldn't care less......more relevant would be.......when and why they came back?

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« 2019-Nov-29, 06:18 AM Reply #457 »
I listen to them every day😟

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« 2019-Nov-29, 09:38 AM Reply #458 »
Came across these programs on YouTube.


The first was recorded in 1997 . Do John Kennedy & Sean Bartholomew still bet at the track ?

In the second you can see Peter Vlandy's aggressive , confrontational style even back in those days when he was a much younger CEO at Harold Park, which since then has been sold off for housing development.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq2gEAqWcfY




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgRJekh2Cs

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« 2019-Nov-30, 05:02 AM Reply #460 »
P V'Landys was looking a real action hero until Christian Cullen rained on the parade.

Such a consistent theme around racing........even when things are going well, there is always a scandal on the doorstep.

So well named Christian Cullen because both he and the rugby player were fantastic movers.

It was hard to miss the cameo of the Jones' boy........I didn't know Alan was into the trots.
He was well known for keeping company with "fine young men" and everybody looked a lot younger then.

With the self proclamation of "Greek God" by PVL.......I'm glad I wasn't in the building when those world's met. :what:


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« 2019-Dec-03, 08:57 PM Reply #461 »
Heard that the ATC had their Christmas party at Luna Park last nite. Not sure if true or not but a damn good place to have it if true.

I attended a party there years ago as a guest of my mate. Nice view especially after dark.

Only reason I bring up the party is that the NRL execs are hoping V’landys is in a festive mood as he has to decide on a $1m bonus to be shared amongst them. Clubs are unhappy with the figure while the execs will be unhappy if not the full figure. Feel sorry for him as he is in a no win situation. Another inherited issue to deal with.

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« 2019-Dec-04, 06:19 AM Reply #462 »
“The Deck”, the restaurant at Luna Park, is very good. A great Sunday arvo lunch leading into dinner  :lol:

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« 2019-Dec-04, 07:10 AM Reply #463 »
“The Deck”, the restaurant at Luna Park, is very good. A great Sunday arvo lunch leading into dinner   :lol:  

Heard it was the Palais as some other company had the big one.

Still a great venue.

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« 2019-Dec-08, 08:20 PM Reply #464 »
British mate sent below to me. Good to see Sydney racing getting publicity in Britain. It may attract more visitors to Sydney racing without the advertising costs.   :lol:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10502668/mass-brawl-erupts-horseracing-australia/

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« 2019-Dec-08, 08:43 PM Reply #465 »
British mate sent below to me. Good to see Sydney racing getting publicity in Britain. It may attract more visitors to Sydney racing without the advertising costs.     :lol:  

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10502668/mass-brawl-erupts-horseracing-australia/

Apologies for posting this at Tontonan beat me to it.

He is very right too in why no local Press coverage of this. I did see a Max Presnell article somewhere on this.

This is one of the many reasons why Sydney racing after second last is fraught with danger at times.
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« 2019-Dec-08, 08:59 PM Reply #466 »
As mentioned on the other thread the UK report credits the tele.

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« 2019-Dec-08, 09:07 PM Reply #467 »
Pretty sure I saw it on Twitter last night was a link to the Telegraph

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« 2019-Dec-08, 09:13 PM Reply #468 »


Racing is secretly funded -- and 'free money' is always in high demand


................ it is a political thing ......... shifting city-money to rural-racing electorates............. confused and hidden by 'gifting' racing tax takes to state racing administrators with no control by parliaments.

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« 2019-Dec-09, 06:25 AM Reply #469 »
I saw the Tele article today. I had some fun with my mate and sent him some British racing fights too.

Call me old but I just don’t understand why you goto the races in your finest and have fights with a severe security and police presence in recent years.

Carnival times at Sydney or Melbourne has one of the largest police presence in any sports.

Alcohol does play a part but unlike most sports, you usually don’t dress up so it is ridiculous. More and more, I see the fairer sex involved.

I cannot blame any administrators for people’s stupidity especially as alcohol prices are so high at the races.

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« 2019-Dec-09, 06:37 AM Reply #470 »
You only need to look at the bloke who is in the thick of it so see the answer as to what sort of low life gets involved in this stuff

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« 2019-Dec-09, 08:30 AM Reply #471 »
To think, someone had given that bunch of roses to that damsel and she used them in that manner, A bunch of red roses could have cost $ 15, what a waste.  :biggrin:

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« 2019-Dec-09, 10:29 AM Reply #472 »
A bunch of red roses could have cost $ 15, what a waste.   :biggrin:

Been a long time since you've bought flowers . . .  :whistle:

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« 2019-Dec-09, 10:43 AM Reply #473 »
Gunna post the same but then thought that might have been regarded as rude. :shutup:

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« 2019-Dec-09, 11:21 AM Reply #474 »
Casting nasturtiums could be regarded as rudeness  :chin:


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