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Offline Jeunes

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« 2019-Dec-24, 06:59 AM Reply #500 »

He can’t. Politis has already taken a franchise over there so they can “claim” some more juniors

Don’t worry Politis will win another comp in next few years if not 2020. He knows how to get value out of the salary cap where mere mortals struggle.

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« 2019-Dec-24, 11:21 AM Reply #501 »

He can’t. Politis has already taken a franchise over there so they can “claim” some more juniors

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« 2019-Dec-27, 12:06 AM Reply #502 »
Interesting tidbit from Richie re V’landys in his column near the end. Looking at V’landys and his track record, I will not be surprised if he does not juggle everything as he is a workaholic. But I also do think the jobs he is doing now is very stressful to say the least especially the NRL gig.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/where-are-all-the-naysayers-now-20191224

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« 2020-Jan-02, 06:33 AM Reply #503 »

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« 2020-Jan-14, 10:54 PM Reply #504 »
It seems the ABC has investigated the complaint by V’landys and Racing NSW. The end result is the complaints had no basis and it stated the complaint itself contained erroneous statements and claims according to Racenet and Australian.

The question is will Racing NSW and V’landys go the next step and lodge a complaint with ACMA or lick their wounds?

In my opinion ACMA could find some adverse findings against ABC however they could also criticise Racing NSW and / or V’landys too if they had made incorrect submissions or statements.

Tough call for Racing NSW and V’landys. ACMA also take their time too which means a result could also fall in carnival time too.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/abc-probe-clears-abc-report-into-horse-cruelty-20200114

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« 2020-Feb-23, 04:29 PM Reply #505 »
V’Landys has floated an idea of another Brisbane team as part of the new Television deal.

I think it is a no brainer to have another Brisbane side. However do they get rid of Gold Coast or bring a 18th side as 17 sides means a bye each week. I also think broadcasters prefer an extra game if they have to pay a lot extra too.

The issue of an 18th side from Perth, Central Coast or another extra side from Qld or NZ is complicated. V’Landys needs to bring extra money as previous tv deals have gone up and up. However setting up a NRL side from scratch with no drafts plus a couple of basket cases in current NRL sides is going to be difficult.

I also think Storm are going to have difficulties in a few years if not sooner as they have managed to hold onto fans by winning constantly and having a good coach. This cannot be maintained forever so I will be intrigued to see how it plays out.

But kudos to V’Landys for pushing the expansion plan as it was too hard for some.



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« 2020-Feb-24, 04:00 AM Reply #506 »
V’Landys has floated an idea of another Brisbane team as part of the new Television deal.

I think it is a no brainer to have another Brisbane side. However do they get rid of Gold Coast or bring a 18th side as 17 sides means a bye each week. I also think broadcasters prefer an extra game if they have to pay a lot extra too.

The issue of an 18th side from Perth, Central Coast or another extra side from Qld or NZ is complicated. V’Landys needs to bring extra money as previous tv deals have gone up and up. However setting up a NRL side from scratch with no drafts plus a couple of basket cases in current NRL sides is going to be difficult.

I also think Storm are going to have difficulties in a few years if not sooner as they have managed to hold onto fans by winning constantly and having a good coach. This cannot be maintained forever so I will be intrigued to see how it plays out.

But kudos to V’Landys for pushing the expansion plan as it was too hard for some.

I read it is pretty much a certainty for a fourth Qld team.

The three candidates are the Brisbane Bombers consortium, Ipswich or Redcliffe.

I like the idea of Redcliffe coming into the NRL. As you said Jeunes, it is pretty tough starting a team from scratch and Redcliffe are a household name even in NSW. You cannot put a value on that sort of recognition.

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« 2020-Feb-24, 08:43 AM Reply #507 »


A racing-forum is for racing -- not thugby-league

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« 2020-Feb-24, 09:57 PM Reply #508 »
A racing forum is for those that care about racing rather than self interest

Mair is a failure  :lol:   :lol:

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« 2020-Feb-28, 12:40 PM Reply #509 »
From SMH today


Opinion

V'landys' secret Murdoch meeting as Greenberg future grows murky


Andrew Webster

February 27, 2020 — 6.00pm


Rugby league executives have been clocking up the frequent flyer points in the past two weeks, jetting from one side of the world to the other.

NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg was in the UK last week for the Roosters’ successful World Club Challenge campaign, while ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys and chief commercial officer Andrew Abdo were in the US this week.

V’landys refused to comment on the secret trip with Abdo when this column contacted him, but it can be revealed he met with Fox Corp executive chairman Lachlan Murdoch in Los Angeles.

He and Abdo then headed to San Francisco where they met with the likes of Google, Facebook and Amazon — presumably about the looming broadcast negotiations when such streaming services will be used by the NRL as leverage for a fatter deal.



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V’landys was even less inclined to discuss Greenberg’s two-year contract extension, which was supposed to be signed before Christmas, then early in the new year, then when V’landys returned from holidays in late January, then early February, then the end of this month …

The pair are expected to meet late on Friday, after the annual general meeting, to discuss the deal. But it wouldn’t surprise if negotiations dragged on until the start of the season.

V’landys and Greenberg say there’s nothing to see here, but the reality is there's a considerable power play happening behind the scenes as V’landys stamps his authority on the code.

If V’landys had complete faith in his chief executive, surely the extension — which was one of the loose conditions of former chairman Peter Beattie standing aside in October last year — would have been signed off by now.

As one club boss said this week: “In this game, your chairman and chief executive need to be so close that you can’t fit a cigarette paper between them”.



V’landys has consistently denied theories about him wanting Greenberg’s job, although his remarks at a Carbine Club lunch at the Magic Millions racing carnival in early January about juggling his day job as Racing NSW chief executive while ruling rugby league stirred plenty of chatter in both sports.

“I'll decide in the next 12 months,” V'landys told the room, according to several people at the function. “If I see that I can't do both, I will have to make a decision.”

V’landys’ contract with Racing NSW ends at the end of this year, having taken over as chief executive in 2004 and fought — and won — many, many battles.

Rugby league is a different beast, though. In racing, V’landys owns the room. In rugby league, he remains an outsider.

He runs racing through fear and has adopted a similar approach at League Central, promising to sack anybody who leaks sensitive information to the media.

He also made it very clear at his introductory media conference as chairman that he will live and die by the size of the next broadcast deal.

 He promised a “better result” than the current deal of $1.8 billion with Channel Nine (publisher of this masthead) and Fox Sports.

This coming season is the third of a five-year deal, but negotiations have been cranked up early because the NRL is wrestling with the idea of expanding its so-called “footprint” from 2023. If new teams are to be part of the next broadcast deal, they will need to be set-up sooner than later.

V’landys tripped himself up last year when he declared in The Courier-Mail he wanted a second team in Brisbane, in a 17-team competition, with Perth to be snubbed because it's an AFL city.

Many within the game considered the interview to be grandstanding. At the very least, it caught a lot of people off-guard. Why he would make such bold statements about what “the footprint” would look like without first consulting its key stakeholders?

His trip to the US with Abdo and not Greenberg has been interpreted by some club bosses as a sign that V’landys wants to cut Greenberg out of the broadcast deal. It’s no secret that V’landys is a huge supporter of Abdo.

Greenberg attended the WCC after Roosters chairman Nick Politis complained about the lack of any NRL officials at last year’s match against Wigan. He also met with key Super League stakeholders, as well as Australian High Commissioner to the UK, George Brandis, about the Kangaroo tour at the end of this season.

Abdo was supposed to be on the same trip but was a sudden withdrawal before being redirected to the US with V'landys.



(For the purposes of transparency, this column covered the Roosters’ WCC campaign as a guest of the NRL).

ARL Commission sources say the board has been split about Greenberg’s contract being extended. Is Greenberg the right man for the game’s most thankless job — even if it does pay upwards of $1.2 million a year plus bonuses?

The announcement on Thursday of a $30m profit for last season suggests he’s doing OK, although club chief executives will grill him at the annual general meeting about the game’s costs.


There’s still a belief, certainly among the clubs and the states, that Greenberg is more worried about surviving than having vision; about perception and optics.



He’s made some mistakes but had several wins, and at the very least the game cannot really afford to sack another chief executive and find a new one, especially this close to the start of the season. Better the devil you know and all that.

Should he survive, it will be compelling viewing as he goes about his business for the next two years with V’landys sitting on his shoulder.

They are two different types of sports administrators: Greenberg is a slick media performer who also has the ear of Premier Gladys Berejiklian. V'landys loathes ceremony, avoids a microphone at all costs, and works brilliantly in the shadows.


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« 2020-Feb-28, 09:39 PM Reply #510 »


Jeunes -- this is a racing forum -- if you want a thugby forum, start another thread headed 'thugby'.

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« 2020-Feb-28, 10:03 PM Reply #511 »

Jeunes -- this is a racing forum -- if you want a thugby forum, start another thread headed 'thugby'.

What is “thugby”? I have never seen it.

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« 2020-Feb-28, 10:22 PM Reply #512 »
Jeunes I wouldn't be surprised if V'Landys has already decided to get rid of Greenberg.

They are poles apart.

V'Landys is an ideas man. Greenberg is an arch conservative who does anything and everything according to the rule book.

Everything TG does seems to be done with the intent of not offending anyone - and especially the media.

V'Landys is hated by the Victorian media and he thrives on that.

I cannot see the two working together and PVL perhaps may even have someone in mind to bring in with him most likely someone from NSW racing or TAB.

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« 2020-Feb-28, 10:24 PM Reply #513 »

Jeunes -- this is a racing forum -- if you want a thugby forum, start another thread headed 'thugby'.

Peter,

Peter V'Landys has been appointed commissioner to the NRL and is taking over the leadership role that Peter Beattie had (if you can call that leadership). He continues as the head of Racing NSW.

It is quite relevant to be discussing his new NRL role on this thread.

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« 2020-Feb-28, 11:18 PM Reply #514 »
Jeunes I wouldn't be surprised if V'Landys has already decided to get rid of Greenberg.

They are poles apart.

V'Landys is an ideas man. Greenberg is an arch conservative who does anything and everything according to the rule book.

Everything TG does seems to be done with the intent of not offending anyone - and especially the media.

V'Landys is hated by the Victorian media and he thrives on that.

I cannot see the two working together and PVL perhaps may even have someone in mind to bring in with him most likely someone from NSW racing or TAB.

I think V’Landys is on the right track except for have big 17 teams. Even means no bye.

Greenberg has done nothing wrong but personally I don’t think he has the ideas as much as V’Landys does.

Rugby League has not changed much in teams etc over the past decade. There have been rule changes, usual errors and excitement but no big plans.

Expansion or new markets is the key. I would even argue with 18 teams that there should be divisions to encourage more buy in for rivalries.

Racing NSW would be crazy not to sign V’Landys again but saying that 16 years is a long time for both parties. He won battles that others did not want to fight.

I am however intrigued why he would want NRL CEO instead of Chairman. CEO gets paid more but they can be sacked by the Chairman.

Also the NRL clubs can be self centred too which is an issue at times. However if the Coronavirus comes to Australia in a big way, he will have some bigger issues.

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« 2020-Feb-29, 06:23 PM Reply #515 »

Greenberg has done nothing wrong

As a Roosters fan, I can tell you one thing he did very, very wrong back in 2015 or 2016 - cannot remember the exact year.

We came last that year and it was all down to a mistake admitted a few years by Todd Greenberg.

Mitchell Pearce had a few too many to drink and foolishly went to a stranger's house.

Someone was filming him secretly in a closet and the hosts were goading him into doing stupid things. One was to simulate having sex with the family dog - fully clothed mind you.

It lasted about 2 seconds and was clearly done as a joke.

Next thing, these scum sold their video to Channel 9 (more scum) for $250,000 which allowed 9 to advertise for A Current Affair that night that they had footage of an NRL start having sex with an animal.

Todd Greenberg over-reacted and insisted that Easts suspend him for 9 weeks and send him to rehab in the US.
 
Two years ago, Greenberg publicly apologized to Pearce for what he did. He must be a decent bloke who was living with this guilt for all those years.

But Easts fans will never forget it.

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« 2020-Feb-29, 07:31 PM Reply #516 »
As a Roosters fan, I can tell you one thing he did very, very wrong back in 2015 or 2016 - cannot remember the exact year.

We came last that year and it was all down to a mistake admitted a few years by Todd Greenberg.

Mitchell Pearce had a few too many to drink and foolishly went to a stranger's house.

Someone was filming him secretly in a closet and the hosts were goading him into doing stupid things. One was to simulate having sex with the family dog - fully clothed mind you.

It lasted about 2 seconds and was clearly done as a joke.

Next thing, these scum sold their video to Channel 9 (more scum) for $250,000 which allowed 9 to advertise for A Current Affair that night that they had footage of an NRL start having sex with an animal.

Todd Greenberg over-reacted and insisted that Easts suspend him for 9 weeks and send him to rehab in the US.
 
Two years ago, Greenberg publicly apologized to Pearce for what he did. He must be a decent bloke who was living with this guilt for all those years.

But Easts fans will never forget it.

You would not have got Cronk if Pearce was a good boy and / or the video was not shot.    :lol:  

So you owe Greenberg 2 premierships.   :lol:  
« Last Edit: 2020-Feb-29, 08:02 PM by Jeunes »

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« 2020-Mar-01, 08:46 AM Reply #517 »
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« 2020-Mar-03, 09:47 AM Reply #518 »
V'Landys sues the ABC for defamation arising out of their conduct towards him in the 4Corners exposure of the Final Race .

"By reasons of the matter complained of, the Applicant has been greatly injured and his business, personal and professional reputation has been, continues to be and will be brought into public disrepute, ridicule and contempt," court documents state."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/v-landys-sues-abc-for-defamation-over-racehorse-cruelty-expose-20200302-p5460b.html

ENDS

Hard to imagine he would be appointed to replace the Hon. Peter Beattie as head of the NRL if his reputation was in doubt or damaged ...still the ABC didn't come clean but I for one think none the less of him....admittedly he has his detractors but he got things moving in NSW and has made sensible comments on the future of the NRL ..and shaved his beard off .....looks much more presentable.

Giddy Up :beer:

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« 2020-Mar-12, 08:53 AM Reply #519 »



.....a delicious irony


Betfair is holding out on the NRL .... until it gets a fair go...........  the karma fairy strikes.

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« 2020-Mar-14, 10:45 AM Reply #520 »
With racing and league going behind closed doors after this weekend, things are going to be very interesting in the future.

I think V’Landys is one of the few sports administrators in Australia who can actually fight for their sports to get compensation or funding from the governments.

NRL Clubs will lose at least 5-10 million in ticket sales, merchandise, hospitality sales etc every week due to no crowds. This is based on  an average round total crowd figure of 100k.

Racing has it’s big Easter and Championship coming up so it is a significant hit coming up especially with the big marquee and sponsorship packages plus marketing and merchandise already made.

Let’s not even talk about the advertising bookings already made to promote the races and league. The other issue is the possibility of all the events are suspended as broadcasters may want a refund etc. There is a possibility of people not returning when things get back to normal.

The only upside is if no suspension, there will be more people staying home, more chances of higher audiences etc. This may result in higher advertising or sponsorship of teams etc.

The flip side too if people don’t go to the races or races suspended, no gambling revenue coming back too.

V’Landys fought hard on the Papal visit and race fields so he will do his best to fight hard for his sports. However trying times ahead for him.

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« 2020-Mar-15, 09:49 AM Reply #521 »
Watched V’Landys and Greenberg press conference this morning. Big issue for them I can see is to sell a compensation scheme for the government to bail them out.

Most bon sports lovers and there are many of them will take umbrage that NRL and players getting paid compensation over someone who is working at a local shop etc.

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« 2020-Mar-15, 08:34 PM Reply #522 »
Agreed Jeunes.

It's hard to take him serious when he sits there with a smug look on his face asking for a hand out. Pretty sure the general population would prefer hospitals etc to be looked after before a football comp.  :shutup:

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« 2020-Mar-15, 09:59 PM Reply #523 »
My in-laws saw the press conference and said that V’landys seemed ignorant of other needs by his entitlement views. They felt that after all the money given to them with the stadiums, it just seems rich for him to keep demanding.

One point they made is that it is only sport and they should be back at the queue after the hospitals, aged care etc. Why should the taxpayer pay millions for an organisation that already got more than a billion for their stadiums. They could cancel rebuilding of one of the two stadiums and play out of one stadium  only. That is still better than bankruptcy.

It is pure economics and unfortunately I think sport will suffer as it is in every other country that has suspended operations. Most people will continue to have issues that we can’t get enough medical equipment or workers get paid etc.

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« 2020-Mar-16, 11:12 AM Reply #524 »
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall it being the NRL screaming out for new stadiums (stadia)


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