Gun! JWH is just throwing out the old fishing line  

 

We all know Super couldn’t go with Vo. From memory it was 1 win to Super in 11 races against the Rogue. All group races so no excuses

Poor old Super is like comparing the roosters to the Rabbitohs.....they are forever in our shadow

   Geoffrey will love being called the modern generation  

I watched them race as a youngish man and I think Super was underrated at times when compared to Bluey, Vo Rogue, Let’s Elope and even Shaftesbury Avenue.

Super won the big Randwick Mile 4 times, most competitive Cox Plate ever and  was even placed in the Cup.

Vo Rogue has the wood on him big time in Melb especially in the Autumn. The Rogue was nowhere as good as that in Sydney though. Unlike Super he ducked Sydney at times.

I’ve got zero doubt that Supers resume reads better but he went to those races rather than take on Vo. Even Freedman admitted that.

He was right to do so considering only 1 win in 11 battles

Both champions, but I've always thought of Super Impose reaching his peak post-Vo Rogue.

Super won his first G1 (his first Doncaster) after Vo Rogue had his final race win.  I'm not sure Freedman would have been too worried about the 7yo Vo Rogue.

Cant agree with that mate. Super was being beaten pointlessly by Vo as a 4 & 5yo. I dont think Super improved from that stage. He chased the Rogues shadow in the 1990 Oz Cup and bear in mind Super last raced in 1992.
Frankly, he was at his best as a 5yo and wasnt as good

Of course they were both wonderful horses and it is always difficult to compare horses- except in this case. The Vo clearly had the wood on Super when they clashed

Who was better where ; who was better at what time of the year; who was better at high tide ete, etc doesn't really matter here. The facts are that they competed DIRECTLY against one another and the Vo had his measure. They simply are facts.

So based on your logic, Nadal is better than Federer or First Seal is better than Winx.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federer–Nadal_rivalry

Hmmmm,

Some tracks in Melbourne really do leaders big favours. Something the over seas jockeys still don't realize for the MC.

Vo shone there for this reason. Was simply outstanding in some races - so far ahead mid race and simply did not come back to them with it.

Fours
ps Super needed them to come back to him.

Exactly Gun.
I play you 11 times in a game of tennis and only win once, I’d suggest you’re better than me

Gee Wily , if you play me 11 times and win once you must be a bloody awful tennis player

fours I must take umbrage at your assessment of Super Impose, he didn't need them to "come back to him" he needed pressure races, WFA races weren't his cup of tea as a rule, Shaftesbury Ave usually beat Super at WFA but Super was Superior in a Handicap cos it was pressure from start to finish, when you are a get back horse in WFA races it is hard to catch a front runner like Vo, very hard to get a cart into the race, If they met in a Big Handicap my money would be on Super every time, regardless of the weight,
Super one the Cox Plate but Vo never could cos the Cox Plate is run like a big Randwick Handicap, it's a pressure all the way type of race,
Vo stuck to his strengths, he actually did what Winx/Black Caviar did, they stayed in their comfort zone,
Super wasn't afraid of any one or anything, he ran in the big randwick miles giving weight and a start to the rest of the field, he ran in Melbourne Cups, he ran in Cox Plates!

Vo/Winx and BC were very good but in my opinion they weren't heroes, Super was a hero, he went "above and beyond" that is what Heroes do, he accepted any Challenge and win lose or Draw he was in for the fight....and I loved him for it
He came from Last to win 4 big Randwick Miles......are you saying 80 odd horses "came back to him"? Would your money be on Vo to do that?

That is exactly what I said, they had different strengths and weaknesses.......but you seem to have missed my point.........as far as their one on one meetings being heavily in Vo's favour as some sort of proof of his superiority......Super went to Vo's "home ground" i.e. his WFA advantage when they met, Vo was never game enough to come to Super's home ground (big fast run handicaps) and meet him where Vo did not have an advantage..........it is like a race between Usain Bolt Wilson Kipsan over 100 yards Proves Bolt was the better athlete
At least Super ran in the races that suited Vo......Super was the Hero, he never ran from a fight, when the going got tough, he got tougher, 4 big miles, placed in a Melbourne Cup and won a Cox Plate, Good as Vo was his record pales in comparison......all of his runs were almost in identical races.........Vo was a great horse but he needed a stacked deck or he wouldn't play!.....Racing needs more Supers!

I must admit I may also be a little biased, I remember being at Randwick, I think it was for his 3rd big mile, I was down about $3000 when Supers big race came up, I had $300 and some change left........I needed to back something that was at least $12, that wiped out all the favs, they were no good to me and there was Super sitting on $14........it was a No brainer......$300 @ $14, on super and he delivered in spades!
I went from minus $3,000 to winning $900 then I think I backed another winner or 2 after that, went from a potential disaster to a great day.........it may have influenced my opinion of him.....but I doubt it