Author Topic: Waiting for the weights (Read 5600 times)

wily ole dog · « 2018-Sep-12, 02:53 PM **Reply #50** »

Quote from: Authorized on 2018-Sep-12, 12:51 PM

I do not think you are capable of answering my question.

If you are able to answer it you should be able to do so in the same post as your idiotic question.

The winner and price of said winner does not prove anything about a race and its running as a whole.

The price of the winner proves that you and Mair are wrong.

The price, with favourites dominating, proves that those races DO NOT provide “ROUGH” results as you and Mair are dishonesty claiming

It’s a fact. You do yourself no service by fighting the facts. Frankly I’m disappointed that a respected forum member like yourself would avoid honest debate.

I expect it from a Mair, not you

wily ole dog · « 2018-Sep-12, 02:57 PM **Reply #51** »

As to your question it bares no relevance to what we are discussing and I haven’t answered as I don’t know what your banging on about

It’s a totally seperate issue. I was hoping the penny would drop for you

Authorized · « 2018-Sep-12, 04:57 PM **Reply #52** »

How the hell is it a separate issue ?

You want to get flustered and rude yet can not answer a very important question that is 100% related to you nonsense.

Dave · « 2018-Sep-12, 05:28 PM **Reply #53** »

Auth when the weights were released for Fiorente's Cup.....or Carbines Cup for that matter are about as relevant as the weather on the Moon, who freakin' cares? tell me why it is relevant? no don't you are as convoluted as Pete and you always have been, I don't want to get a headache....

The inference that I take from Pete's original Post is that Horses are not trying to win....obviously you and Pete think they could win and would win if only they tried......but didn't want to.....not much point in saying something that stupid about a horse that had none from the start is there?....,

So you Pete and nemisis should name some names of horses that should/could have won on the day but didn't try? I must have missed them

The bottom line is put up or SHUT UP!!!!!

Authorized · « 2018-Sep-12, 05:49 PM **Reply #54** »

There has always been a cynical thought process that some horses were not trying prior to cup weights being released.

The fact you do not care when the release of weights was changed from earlier in the spring to a fortnight or so later simply suits your own arguement.

It is fine you are not cynical about some results and efforts by horses. Fine but that does not mean those who are cynical are absolutely incorrect.

Now that weights are released there is no reason all those in WFA races will not be giving their all. There will be rough results along the way.

I do not care how you read the form, a horse like Monaco Consul should not get anywhere near winning a group 2 WFA race even at the goat track.

As I said earlier, if Mair said the Earth was a globe you'd be going bezerk rudely trying to prove it was flat.

I doubt it within either you Dave or Wily to respond in a civilised tone.

Authorized · « 2018-Sep-12, 05:52 PM **Reply #55** »

Really, one last thing, I really only got involved in this debate because I am sick of you, willy and a few others being absolutely rude in your responses to Mairs postings.

Jeunes · « 2018-Sep-12, 06:22 PM **Reply #56** »

Quote from: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Sep-12, 12:39 PM

No it's not.

It's in the eating.

True. The taste depends on the type of pudding and if you have any accompaniments.

https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/collections/top-10-pudding-recipes

wily ole dog · « 2018-Sep-12, 07:14 PM **Reply #57** »

Quote from: Authorized on 2018-Sep-12, 04:57 PM

How the hell is it a separate issue ?

You want to get flustered and rude yet can not answer a very important question that is 100% related to you nonsense.

You need to get your head around the facts. I’m not flustered or rude.

Both Mair and now you claim that the results of the Memsie & the Feehan (Dato) (ave been rough)

They have not!!!!!

As to your other concerns about horses having practice runs we can discuss that later.
The fact is that the results of the Memsie and Feehan have NOT been Roughas you and Mair contest

Get your bloody head around that fact and then we can broaden the discussion re what you seem to believe are “practice runs”

It’s not bloody hard to get the gist is it

wily ole dog · « 2018-Sep-12, 07:28 PM **Reply #58** »

Quote from: Dave on 2018-Sep-12, 05:28 PM

So you Pete and nemisis should name some names of horses that should/could have won on the day but didn't try? I must have missed them

The bottom line is put up or SHUT UP!!!!!

They won’t put up. Especially Mair & Authorized. They don’t have the balls.

They have taken a philosophical position about Australian racing and wont accept the facts and are inventing (lying) to suit their preordained view. Mair for self serving reason and author cus he has a racing cultural cringe.

The Feehan & Memsie do not produce rough results like they claim.
To continue to claim that makes a liar of both

Dave · « 2018-Sep-12, 08:18 PM **Reply #59** »

Auth I disagree with you a lot....but you are entitled to have a (wrong) opinion, I respect that right even if I don't agree your actual opinion most of the time....But Pete is telling downright Lies with no evidence to support him....and he knows he is lying.........
Now you have also taken to telling lies just so you can disagree with wily and me...who you know are 100% correct.......so don't get on your high horse, have the guts to back up your statements that horses weren't trying and tell us which ones you are talking about....at least Nemesis did name names, I respect him for that........, You can't can you??

I will say again.....Put up or Shut up.............Pete can't "Put up".....and he won't shut up..........

I suspect one of you are the Ghost of Donald Trump....what colour is your hair??.......and what colour is your face?

nemisis · « 2018-Sep-12, 08:44 PM **Reply #60** »

A couple of years ago Dave I asked you why you had left the forum.

You replied with something along the lines of the personal attacks.......I'm not going to search for it because I can't be bothered.

Then you go and post this garbage above.

Since I've been here I have found there are half a dozen excellent contributors on this forum of whom Authorized is one.

You might want to just reflect on your comments sometime.

wily ole dog · « 2018-Sep-12, 08:56 PM **Reply #61** »

Nemesis,
seeing as Mair and authorized won’t comment what’s your view about their claim that the Feehan and Memsie are rife with ROUGH RESULTS .

2 things to consider before you provide your answer.

1. The historical data that shows it is not the case! As proven in my previous posts

2. The claim of ROUGH RESULTS is totally different to what you are saying about SOME horses being under done or not trying it these races

Authorized · « 2018-Sep-12, 09:08 PM **Reply #62** »

Wily you are nothing but rude with Mair in every thread he starts. You are never remotely civilised.

nemisis · « 2018-Sep-12, 09:11 PM **Reply #63** »

Wily as I said earlier the thread title is "Waiting for the weights" and that is what I was commenting on.

When I took punting much more serious than I do now my first rule was that WFA races were the best and safest to bet on because It was not always that difficult to find the best horse.

The little proviso I had was be careful in early season WFA races in the Victorian spring.

Humidor was in fact $40.00 in some place in this year's Memsie but I'm ok with that because I generally have something on him because I have always liked him.

Authorized · « 2018-Sep-12, 09:12 PM **Reply #64** »

NOW, wily answer my question.

When were weight released for the Fiorente cup. It is absolutely part of the point.

wily ole dog · « 2018-Sep-12, 09:14 PM **Reply #65** »

Quote from: Authorized on 2018-Sep-12, 09:08 PM

Wily you are nothing but rude with Mair in every thread he starts. You are never remotely civilised.

You’ve said that a few times and you are wrong.
I tried to engage Mair in discussion but he refuses

wily ole dog · « 2018-Sep-12, 09:17 PM **Reply #66** »

Quote from: Authorized on 2018-Sep-12, 09:12 PM

NOW, wily answer my question.

When were weight released for the Fiorente cup. It is absolutely part of the point.

I’ve answered that unlike you who has refused to answer my question.
Just leave it and move on if you don’t have the balls.

Now before you bang on about being rude again, there’s enough history here to show you’re no without guilt in that same regard

Authorized · « 2018-Sep-12, 09:21 PM **Reply #67** »

You have dragged this thread and everybody engaging into the gutter.

wily ole dog · « 2018-Sep-12, 09:22 PM **Reply #68** »

No you and Mair have by being too pathetic to answer my simple question.
Get off your fecking high horse

Peter Mair · « 2018-Sep-12, 09:31 PM **Reply #69** »

The sense of this thread will become clearer as the spring unfolds.

.................. I would be inclined to lay Humidor.

Authorized · « 2018-Sep-12, 09:32 PM **Reply #70** »

You have lied and made out that I agree with him 100%.

I have said I agree with his premise.

There is a big difference.

Now stooping to your childish behaviour, I asked my question first, now answer it.

wily ole dog · « 2018-Sep-13, 08:37 AM **Reply #71** »

Quote from: Authorized on 2018-Sep-12, 09:32 PM

You have lied and made out that I agree with him 100%.

I have said I agree with his premise.

There is a big difference.

You have agreed with him.
He claimed these races results were ROUGH. You AGREED despite being given evidence to the contrary

Authorized · « 2018-Sep-13, 11:10 AM **Reply #72** »

Quote from: wily ole dog on 2018-Sep-13, 08:37 AM

You have agreed with him.
He claimed these races results were ROUGH. You AGREED despite being given evidence to the contrary

Answer my question.

Gintara · « 2018-Sep-13, 12:24 PM **Reply #73** »

Quote from: Peter Mair on 2018-Sep-12, 09:31 PM

.................. I would be inclined to lay Humidor.

Thanks scoop, when did the last top weight win? Makybe Diva in 2005? Before that it might be Think Big in 1975

It's not like top weights have a good record

Authorized · « 2018-Sep-13, 01:10 PM **Reply #74** »

Quote from: Gintara on 2018-Sep-13, 12:24 PM

Thanks scoop, when did the last top weight win? Makybe Diva in 2005? Before that it might be Think Big in 1975

It's not like top weights have a good record

I think he was saying for the rest of the spring which would be pretty brave.

Talking about top weights, Greg Carpenter has made it a self fulfilling prophecy that horses carrying 58+ kgs can not win the Cup. None run in it.