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Online westie

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O.P. « 2008-Nov-27, 09:30 AM »


Weekend Hussler is back in training and expected to start fisrt up in the Australia stakes at Moonee Valley on 14 February 2009.  Then the futurity before embarking o/s Dubai (28 March) and Hong Kong 27 April.         


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« 2008-Nov-27, 06:00 PM Reply #1 »
WH carried saddlecloth 14 winning this race, anyone know which race and no I don't know, obviously in Melbourne.

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« 2008-Nov-27, 07:00 PM Reply #2 »
I think it is saddlecloth No 12 Westie which he wore on two winning occasions - 1) his Cranbourne maiden win and 2) victory in the 07 Caulfield Guineas. I guess the photo is of his G1 win.  :xmas_smilie: 

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« 2008-Nov-27, 07:03 PM Reply #3 »
Thanks Santa, have you got a winner for me over Xmas.

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« 2008-Nov-27, 07:07 PM Reply #4 »
I think it is saddlecloth No 12 Westie which he wore on two winning occasions - 1) his Cranbourne maiden win and 2) victory in the 07 Caulfield Guineas. I guess the photo is of his G1 win.  :xmas_smilie: 

Just blew up the saddle cloth and you are correct it was the Caulfield Guineas.

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« 2008-Nov-27, 07:51 PM Reply #5 »
No worries Westie. All the very best to you - hope the site does well and picks up where TNHRCF leaves off.

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« 2008-Nov-27, 07:57 PM Reply #6 »
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Do you mind me asking what you think of the format and do you find it easy to navigate after only three posts.
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« 2008-Nov-27, 07:59 PM Reply #7 »
Forgot to ask what you thought of the pix. I took all the colour out apart from the jockey colours then blurred the background.

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« 2008-Nov-27, 08:05 PM Reply #8 »
One thing I do notice missing is the ability to view all messaage boards at once but otherwise easy to navigate Westie.

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« 2008-Nov-27, 08:06 PM Reply #9 »
One thing I do notice missing is the ability to view all message boards at once but otherwise easy to navigate Westie.

Try this link pjf

http://www.racehorsetalk.com.au/index.php?action=recenttopics;

or click on Recent Topics in the top menu, you will also find a link that allows you to modify what boards you like to view when reading the Recent Topics

 8-)

You underestimate us  :D

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« 2008-Nov-27, 08:17 PM Reply #10 »
Thanks Magic - I have put this page on my Favourite list and will be my point of entry in future.
Again wishing you guys well.

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« 2008-Nov-28, 09:09 AM Reply #11 »
Bit OT but does anyone have a High Res photo of Sunburnt land?

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« 2008-Nov-28, 09:12 AM Reply #12 »
Bit OT but does anyone have a High Res photo of Sunburnt land?

Westie could be the man for that  8-)

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« 2009-Apr-27, 02:38 PM Reply #13 »
Weekend Hussler clan keep to team up
Brad Waters
Monday, 27 April 2009

Pin-up galloper Weekend Hussler could have another trainer alongside his name when he returns for a spring campaign.

Ross McDonald and his son Clinton are about to apply for a training partnership and are hoping to officially join forces at the start of the new racing season in August.

“We are strongly considering (forming a partnership),” Clinton McDonald said. “We virtually do everything together anyway so why not become partners?”

McDonald said they were working through the idea before formally applying to Racing Victoria Limited to be registered as a training partnership.

“There are a couple of things to think about with regard to licence terms and things like that,” he said.

“But it could work really well for us. For example, I hate going to the races but Dad loves it.”

McDonald said Weekend Hussler had all but recovered from his complaints which ruled him out of the autumn after being beaten out of a place behind Apache Cat in the Australia Stakes in February.

“He had a few things wrong with him but was still only beaten three lengths by Apache Cat,” he said.

“Most other horses would have been tailed off so our opinion of him hasn’t change.”

“The major thing that will change for him is he won’t work with a partner that much anymore.

“He just wants to compete so much and he runs the brilliant track times on his own, we never ask him to go quick on the track.

“His trackwork riders can’t believe he runs the times he does because to them he feels like he’s jogging.”

McDonald said the stable was keeping its options open on Weekend Hussler’s spring campaign but he said the Cox Plate was still on the agenda despite the rising five-year-old’s poor Turnbull Stakes run over 2000 metres.

“He didn’t stay the 2400 metres of the Caulfield Cup but he finished alongside Maldivian who won the Cox Plate,” he said.
“If he doesn’t make the Cox Plate we’ll try and look after him the way they look after Takeover Target and keep him fresh.”

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« 2009-Apr-27, 02:50 PM Reply #14 »

“If he doesn’t make the Cox Plate we’ll try and look after him the way they look after Takeover Target and keep him fresh.”

17 starts in his first 3 campaigns (11 as a 3yo), several gutbusters, and occaisionally at unsuitable distances...and now they talk about looking after him and keeping him fresh?  Is it too late for that?

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« 2009-Apr-27, 03:13 PM Reply #15 »
and now they talk about looking after him and keeping him fresh

Never to late for that  ;)

Our old stayer would only have two gallops in the week leading up to 2400m race, and would only go a working gallop over 2 furlong :o

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« 2009-Apr-27, 03:17 PM Reply #16 »
The McDonald's know far more about their horse and training than I do, of course.  But it seems to me that he's maybe a world-class sprinter-miler, yet once again they're going to peak him for 2,000m (+), rather than the big / rich sprints and miles.

Be interested in Allhigh's opinion - what would he do with the horse over the next two years were it his?
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« 2009-Apr-28, 11:51 AM Reply #17 »
The McDonald's know far more about their horse and training than I do, of course.  But it seems to me that he's maybe a world-class sprinter-miler, yet once again they're going to peak him for 2,000m (+), rather than the big / rich sprints and miles.

Be interested in Allhigh's opinion - what would he do with the horse over the next two years were it his?

I don't see why they should not target the mile to 2000 m races in the spring. Realistically, unlike autumn where you get many g1 races at 1600m or less, there are not many in spring at all. Top of my head in Melb, there is only 2 or 3 that qualify as WFA group 1 races in this distance range while the Huss will be handicapped out in the handicap g1s. The huss did win the g1 Underwood and in between his failures, there were some questionable tactical rides. Maybe if he settles further back, it may be giving him a better chance but you may as well find out in the spring rather than the autumn regarding his staying abilities. 
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« 2009-Apr-28, 12:09 PM Reply #18 »
Fair points re the options, Jeunes. 

But I'm not convinced he really gets the 1,800m.  Sounds a stupid thing to say as it was a tough run in the Underwood (1,800m) and he won brilliantly.  But maybe he won it in the same way a class 3yo who can't stay can still win a Derby.  I think the Hussler was at his absolute best that day (and thus the best horse in Oz), and class got him home in the last 100m.  He looked a distressed horse passing the post. 

Two weeks later in the Turnbull he gave nothing from the 400m (ie. 1,600m into the race).  Yes he was 3-wide for quite a while, but so was the winner, Littorio. 

Just my hunch - hope I'm proven wrong as a little more WFA depth over the middle distances would be nice.

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« 2009-Apr-28, 12:16 PM Reply #19 »
It's not the distances of races that they need to be addressing in my opinion,

but the amount of work they pour into the horse in preperation for these distance races  :what:

If a horse is dour and lacks sprint, which I believe WH did last preperation, it is because of the work he was doing in getting ready that was causing him to race this way.

Train him like a sprinter, and race him up to 2000m's and you will see a very different horse, Light Fantastic is a good example   :yes:
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« 2009-Apr-28, 12:30 PM Reply #20 »
But maybe he won it in the same way a class 3yo who can't stay can still win a Derby.

Is this true though, Even when Mahogany was winning  Derbies it is fair to say he was the best stayer in those races.

Can anybody point me to Derby winners who where not the best stayers in those races ?

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« 2009-Apr-28, 12:38 PM Reply #21 »
Is this true though, Even when Mahogany was winning  Derbies it is fair to say he was the best stayer in those races.

Can anybody point me to Derby winners who where not the best stayers in those races ?

Perhaps I overstated that a bit.  More that pure class can carry an animal a little longer than they otherwise might get, naturally.  My theory is that even though he won over 1,800m that day, it doesn't follow that he 'gets 1,800m'.  If that makes sense...which it sort of does when my original point was that he's a sprinter-miler. 

(He'll win the Cup-Cox-Cup treble now I've labored this point!)

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« 2009-Apr-28, 12:40 PM Reply #22 »
Yeh it makes sense, i believe genuine top class horses expand far less energy in running so they can go a heck of lot further if they are up against horses that are not in their own class.

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« 2009-Apr-28, 01:55 PM Reply #23 »
To be honest Magic C nearly all the cox plate, caulfield cup and melbourne cup winners stayed a strong 2000m at least. I am no trainer but sometimes I think training is like coaching a sports side. I used to coach baseball and cricket sides. I treated some players differently due to their abilities and I wonder if McDonald can train stayers as well as Cummings etc. A jockey or trainer change may also benefit the horse.

Bamboo, the best depth we had the entire autumn in a WFA race was the QE stakes. Looking at the field could the huss had beaten them? I don't know but all I know is that the Huss's racing pattern makes it harder to be there at the finish when you are up there in the firing line or 3 deep. He has a devastating sprint but how many human sprinters do you see actually win a marathon gold medal if they don't have the body shape or the fitness for it.


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« 2009-Jun-02, 11:38 AM Reply #24 »
Multiple Group 1 winner, Weekend Hussler is most likely to make his return to the racing in the early part of the spring according to trainer Ross McDonald.

After two disappointing runs in the autumn - by Weekend Hussler's lofty standards - the four-year-old son of Hussonet was sent for a spell.

"He's in the stable and just doing a bit of work in the water treadmill at the moment," McDonald told Sport 927 this morning.

"We'll put a saddle on him in the next week or so and probably start trotting him around.

"We'll bring him along quiet because he comes to hand pretty quick.

"We haven't mapped out a plan for him yet but I'd say he'd be in those early weight-for-age sprint races and we'll go from there," McDonald added.

Weekend Hussler resumed in the J.J Liston Stakes (1400m) last preparation when narrowly defeated by Light Fantastic before winning his next three races.

His failure to win beyond 1800m last spring will once again cast doubt over his superiority, however five months away from the Cox Plate (2040m) Betstar rate Weekend Hussler a $17 chance in their all-in market with the Mark Kavanagh trained Whobegotyou currently favourite at $8.



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