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« 2015-Oct-25, 10:31 AM Reply #25 »
Gust of wind doesnt need to be trained any different, shes a top 5 chance for sure in the MC. If they aim her at the QE11 I would be willing to back her pre-post though as she is the genuine stayer out of these.



I should elaborate on that. We haven't seen her at her best yet. Trainer clearly stated, months ago, that there was only one race he was thinking about. What she has done so far has been a bonus and she still isn't screwed down.
Trained to perform over shorter distances next prep, she will be a star at a mile and up

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« 2015-Oct-25, 12:23 PM Reply #26 »
Winx as a very late 3yo, and a 4yo, is a better horse to what we saw prior to that - and she was pretty good then.

Comparing First Seal to the "earlier Winx" is plainly wrong.

Suspect that unless First Seal has improved, she will get trounced by the Winx we have seen this Spring.

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« 2015-Oct-25, 12:26 PM Reply #27 »
I have never understood the love for First Seal.


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« 2015-Oct-25, 01:17 PM Reply #28 »
I should elaborate on that. We haven't seen her at her best yet. Trainer clearly stated, months ago, that there was only one race he was thinking about. What she has done so far has been a bonus and she still isn't screwed down.
Trained to perform over shorter distances next prep, she will be a star at a mile and up

Agree. Classy mare but i think shes best at 200m+ whereas the other two are better at a mile.

I think first seal is an out and out superstar and hope to be proven right. She has the x factor and can burn the candel at both ends. Shes had the hoof injury for over a year yet beat winx twice, once by 3 lengths. Natural improvement argues well for her up to 1600m. From there id say winx could have her measure. But to do what shes been doing with a hoof injury...wish i knew about it but neither did the trainer, shows why she wasnt fully letting down. Happy to be proven wrong but i have first seal as the best 4yo in aus atm


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« 2015-Oct-25, 04:04 PM Reply #29 »
I have never understood the love for First Seal.



Maybe because you follow racing solely for the punting aspect of the game.

Those of us for whom the sporting aspect comes into play know that Winx has met First Seal five times for five times finishing behind her.

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« 2015-Oct-25, 06:23 PM Reply #30 »
No one will much care but with Chautauqua and Winx supreme this weekend give a little cheer for the colonial breds.

Winx traces to Vanity (1846) who was bred by Charles Roberts at Havilah outside Mudgee by the colonial bred Sir Charles (1841) and the imported mare The Giggler.  Vanity was sent to Young Plover (winner of the 1851 AJC St Leger) to produce Deception who was exported to New Zealand. Her grand daughter Pibroch produced the turn of the century NZ champion Menschikoff.

Chautauqua traces to Silver Bell (1877) a daughter of Yattendon ( AJC Derby, Sydney Cup, etc) and full sister to the champion racehorse and sire Chester (VRC Derby, Melbourne Cup, etc).  Silver Bell was bred by Edward King Cox at Fernhill stud (also in Mudgee). The family was exported to New Zealand in 1896 with Campania.

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« 2015-Oct-25, 06:58 PM Reply #31 »
Turns out you were right.  No-one cares much.    :lol:

I do. 

Aussie Aussie Aussie!

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« 2015-Oct-25, 07:59 PM Reply #32 »
Maybe because you follow racing solely for the punting aspect of the game.


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« 2015-Oct-25, 08:22 PM Reply #33 »
No one will much care but with Chautauqua and Winx supreme this weekend give a little cheer for the colonial breds.

Winx traces to Vanity (1846) who was bred by Charles Roberts at Havilah outside Mudgee by the colonial bred Sir Charles (1841) and the imported mare The Giggler.  Vanity was sent to Young Plover (winner of the 1851 AJC St Leger) to produce Deception who was exported to New Zealand. Her grand daughter Pibroch produced the turn of the century NZ champion Menschikoff.

Chautauqua traces to Silver Bell (1877) a daughter of Yattendon ( AJC Derby, Sydney Cup, etc) and full sister to the champion racehorse and sire Chester (VRC Derby, Melbourne Cup, etc).  Silver Bell was bred by Edward King Cox at Fernhill stud (also in Mudgee). The family was exported to New Zealand in 1896 with Campania.

I care!

Great info Tonto - and there is Fernhill Stud - race not named after someone called Fernhill  :)

How unexpected that we should have some new stars emerge. I suppose Chatauqua was well and truly flagged but I do think he has picked up a gear.

As has the subject of this thread, Winx. Both horses would more than hold their own on the world stage IMO.

Press Statement is the other exciting horse to have appeared.

And we haven't even started the VRC carnival yet!

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« 2015-Oct-26, 12:17 AM Reply #34 »
My NSW geography needs a bit of work. 

Fernhill is at Mulgoa, nowhere near Mudgee.

I think it is amazing that colonial bloodlines prevail more than 150 years and 14 or 15 generations down the track particularly when you consider that the colonies hardly imported the best of breed in those days.  It is no coincidence either that those prevailing families have been sustained in New Zealand after having been established in Australia.  It is a very familiar tale.

That colonial bred sires like Yattendon and his sire Sir Hercules (1842) and Sir Charles (1841) feature in both pedigrees is extraordinary because in 1842 New South Wales was still a penal colony, a gaol, and had only just founded its jockey club.  It is also a reminder of the studs of Sydney and the role they played in the foundation of the Australian thoroughbred.


Fernhill Estate, Mulgoa.

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« 2015-Oct-26, 06:35 AM Reply #35 »
Her vs First Seal. Cant wait. Might get a price about First Seal for once. Still think she is better than Winx up to 1600m
You have got to be kidding whispering! With the improvement Winx has shown this prep, the other (handy) mare wouldn't blow wind up her arse. I sincerely hope for your sake you don't punt for a living mate.

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« 2015-Oct-26, 07:38 AM Reply #36 »
You have got to be kidding whispering! With the improvement Winx has shown this prep, the other (handy) mare wouldn't blow wind up her arse. I sincerely hope for your sake you don't punt for a living mate.

Mr 10,000% is going on the Flight Stakes about a year ago.

He doesn't seem to understand that Winx has improved since then.

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« 2015-Oct-26, 10:44 AM Reply #37 »
First seal has had less race starts than winx, is by fastnet who normally has horses that improve with age. Im banking on natural improvement, plus the hoof problem that she has had for 12 months to counter winx. Happy to be proven wrong. If winx can improve why cant first seal. Im forgiving her runs from last spring on as the injury she has has been around since at least then.

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« 2015-Oct-27, 09:41 AM Reply #38 »
I see people are arguing about the merits of the time Winx ran in the The Cleaners thread. Personally I have no time for track records, some less than stellar horses hold track records.

Winx is a superstar of the highest order.

She has tactical speed and she has a superior turn of foot

Her turn of foot it going to get her out of a lot of trouble in her future races. She has the type of top class acceleration that will see her win from near impossible situations much the way Lonhro won his Australian Cup.


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« 2015-Oct-27, 09:05 PM Reply #39 »
My NSW geography needs a bit of work. 

Fernhill is at Mulgoa, nowhere near Mudgee.



Well it's only a slight detour if heading from Sydney over the mountains  :p

They have been running a picnic meeting in the grounds once a year too, normally around this time of year although it seems 2015 was postponed http://www.fernhillestate.net.au/_springracing

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« 2015-Oct-28, 09:47 AM Reply #40 »
I see people are arguing about the merits of the time Winx ran in the The Cleaners thread. Personally I have no time for track records, some less than stellar horses hold track records.

Winx is a superstar of the highest order.

She has tactical speed and she has a superior turn of foot

Her turn of foot it going to get her out of a lot of trouble in her future races. She has the type of top class acceleration that will see her win from near impossible situations much the way Lonhro won his Australian Cup.


Exactly.

Northerly ran 7 seconds slower than Might And Power in winning the Caulfield Cup. Detracts no one iota from his greatness.

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« 2015-Oct-28, 09:32 PM Reply #41 »
It could be as simple as Winx was a late bloomer!!

As an attendee at winter Carnivals for  almost 50 years years Winxs performances up her in May/June were extraordinary up with great mares such asEthereal , Private Steer and Dane Ripper  etc  over the past 20 years who all minted the form subsequently with majors

She is just a great horse and I salute her.Well done to the Tighe family.

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« 2016-Jan-14, 08:06 AM Reply #42 »
Someone has stolen Hughie Bowman from Moonee Valley!

https://www.racing.com/videos/2016-01-12/gone-in-a-winx

There is some CCTV footage of the theft and Racing Victoria are conducting a social media campaign to get Hughie back.

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« 2016-Jan-14, 03:04 PM Reply #43 »
Someone has stolen Hughie Bowman from Moonee Valley!

https://www.racing.com/videos/2016-01-12/gone-in-a-winx

There is some CCTV footage of the theft and Racing Victoria are conducting a social media campaign to get Hughie back.

They should put some effort into finding the rest of the Moonee Valley straight.


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« 2016-Feb-06, 08:21 PM Reply #44 »
Any footage/links to today's gallop?

Apollo Stakes likely resumption point - but not yet confirmed.

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« 2016-Mar-19, 02:22 PM Reply #45 »
So maybe Doncaster into QE.

If she does the double we will need to start comparing her to the legends of the past in this country.

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« 2016-Mar-19, 03:54 PM Reply #46 »
I put her ahead of Sunline now

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« 2016-Mar-19, 04:17 PM Reply #47 »
Surely not.

Sure Winx is good but Sunline won 32 out of 48 starts - including 2 Cox Plates.

Winx will need another dominant season to even go close.

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« 2016-Mar-19, 04:30 PM Reply #48 »
Agree totally.

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« 2016-Mar-19, 04:31 PM Reply #49 »
Also no Northerlies in opposition!


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