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Offline Draven39

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« 2016-Mar-19, 04:32 PM Reply #50 »
I put her ahead of Sunline now

Winx is great, but she has got a long way to go until you can put her in front of Sunline.

I mean, prior to today, how many times has First Seal beaten her in the past?  ;)

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« 2016-Mar-19, 05:03 PM Reply #51 »
You're all correct on her resume but I'm talking more about my eye.  I reckon she's at least the equal on sheer ability but that's always got potential too turn into a fight  :lol:

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« 2016-Mar-19, 06:49 PM Reply #52 »
If they couldn't get close today how and who is going to challenge her over further?
The way Bowman pushed the button early to get her in a striking position, and then go again up the straight...only greats can do that.
Also I think we can put to bed the discussion about First Seal v Winx for a while.

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« 2016-Mar-19, 09:53 PM Reply #53 »
An amazing mare, had to tough it out today,

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« 2016-Mar-19, 10:04 PM Reply #54 »
How long before Yoshidas buy her?

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« 2016-Mar-20, 11:47 PM Reply #55 »
Chris Waller still refusing to afford his mighty mare Winx champion status

CHRIS Waller still can’t bring himself to rank Winx a champion — but for the rest of the racing world the mighty mare has nothing more to prove.

Winx is a phenomenon and her win in the George Ryder Stakes on a memorable Golden Slipper day was the best thing to happen to The Championships at Royal Randwick in two weeks.

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Waller has said if Winx wins another Cox Plate this year he will afford her racing’s ultimate ranking. But if Winx can win the ­Doncaster-Queen Elizabeth double, surely even Waller will label her a champ.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/nsw-racing/chris-waller-still-refusing-to-afford-his-mighty-mare-winx-champion-status/news-story/7ebcd1e3dfc874fea53b652faea402c1

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« 2016-Mar-21, 12:00 AM Reply #56 »
World Timeform Ratings

As At 8th March i.e before Winx won on the weekend.

Ironically she is rated the same as the other female on everybody's lips - the US 3yo filly Songbird.

Ranking Horse Trainer Rating
1 Beholder Richard Mandella, USA 131
2 Able Friend John Moore, Hong Kong 130
3= Highland Reel Aidan O'Brien, Ireland 129
3= Jack Hobbs John Gosden, GB 129
3= Mecca's Angel Michael Dodds, GB 129
3= Order of St George Aidan O'Brien, Ireland 129
3= Solow Freddie Head, France 129
8 Air Force Blue Aidan O'Brien, Ireland 128p
9= Flintshire Chad Brown, USA 128
9= New Bay Andre Fabre, France 128
9= Peniaphobia Tony Cruz, Hong Kong 128
9= The Grey Gatsby Kevin Ryan, GB 128
13= Aerovelocity Paul O'Sullivan, Hong Kong 127
13= A Shin Hakari Masanori Sakaguchi, Japan 127
13= Chautauqua Michael & Wayne & John Hawkes, Australia 127
13= Criterion David Hayes & Tom Dabernig, Australia 127
13= Effinex James Jerkens, USA 127
13= Exosphere (AUS) John O'Shea, Australia 127
13= Fascinating Rock Dermot Weld, Ireland 127
13= Runhappy Laura Wohlers, USA 127
13= Vazirabad Alain de Royer Dupre, France 127
22= Songbird Jerry Hollendorfer, USA 126p
22= Winx Chris Waller, Australia 126p
24= California Chrome Art Sherman, USA 126
24= Ertijaal (IRE) Ali Al Raihe, UAE 126
24= Gold-Fun Richard Gibson, Hong Kong 126
24= Limato Henry Candy, GB 126
24= Maurice Noriyuki Hori, Japan 126
24= Mongolian Khan Murray Baker, New Zealand 126
24= Postponed Roger Varian, GB 126
24= Undrafted Wesley Ward, USA 126

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« 2016-Mar-21, 06:51 AM Reply #57 »
Chris Waller still refusing to afford his mighty mare Winx champion status

CHRIS Waller still can’t bring himself to rank Winx a champion — but for the rest of the racing world the mighty mare has nothing more to prove.

Winx is a phenomenon and her win in the George Ryder Stakes on a memorable Golden Slipper day was the best thing to happen to The Championships at Royal Randwick in two weeks.

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Waller has said if Winx wins another Cox Plate this year he will afford her racing’s ultimate ranking. But if Winx can win the ­Doncaster-Queen Elizabeth double, surely even Waller will label her a champ.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/nsw-racing/chris-waller-still-refusing-to-afford-his-mighty-mare-winx-champion-status/news-story/7ebcd1e3dfc874fea53b652faea402c1

He does talk her down a lot. It appears to me he has a higher opinion of others but she keeps surprising him

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« 2016-Mar-21, 09:24 AM Reply #58 »
I think she just down plays here to ease the pressure a l;ittle. As she keeps on winning you can see each time he is interviewed that he is relieved that she keeps doing it.

Every time they step out they have to keep proving themselves. You could see the relief on Peter Moody when ever Black Caviar won and the same is happening with Waller now.


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« 2016-Mar-21, 12:14 PM Reply #59 »
Would you run the great mare in the Doncaster ?

I have added a poll to this thread.

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« 2016-Mar-21, 12:15 PM Reply #60 »
Many rivers to cross.  It is a long way to the top but Winx has done extremely well to even make to this board.



RECORD WINNING SEQUENCES
Qualification : Sequence must contain at least one stakes race
Hall of Fame horses in bold
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
25BLACK CAVIAR (unbeaten)
19GLOAMING (NZ)
DESERT GOLD (NZ)
18AJAX
17MAINBRACE (NZ)
15CARBINE
BERNBOROUGH
14PHAR LAP
STYLISH LORD (1982)
13LIMERICK
12TULLOCH
11KINGSTON TOWN
EURYTHMIC
10DEFAULTER
PROUD MISS (2yo)
KINDERGARTEN
RACONTEUR
SURROUND
GAY LUNGI (1952)
PLANET RULER
9GRAND FLANEUR (unbeaten)
THE BARB*
PAGO PAGO (2YO)
CHIDE NZ (1925)
BEAUFORD
MOLLISON
RANCHER
KENDON
GLOAMING
PHAR LAP
RAIN AFFAIR
8SUNLINE
BAGUETTE (first 8 starts)
LONHRO
STORM QUEEN
PETER PAN
TRAFALGAR
AQUINITA
AMOUNIS
CHICQUITA
PHAR LAP
HAY LIST
BENTLEY BISCUIT
GLOAMING
EURYTHMIC
WINX (current 2016)


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« 2016-Mar-21, 03:48 PM Reply #61 »
If she was mine I would be running her rather than the cotton wool approach

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« 2016-Mar-22, 11:55 AM Reply #62 »
Yes I would too. She certainly hasn't been over raced as a 4 year old. So far only 6 starts with no injuries that I am aware of.

It is not as if she will be off to Brisbane again.


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« 2016-Mar-22, 12:17 PM Reply #63 »
I think it depends on which race they want.  If they are really locked on to the QE then the Doncaster is probably a by-pass.  If they are 'taking it as it comes' then they would probably consider the QE if she came through the Doncaster all right.  I reckon they are on the former course.  The QE is the one they want.

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« 2016-Mar-22, 12:29 PM Reply #64 »
Last chance for her to win a handicap I would suggest. She won't be able to win either of the Cups and or the Epsom in the spring now. She is not a sprinter, so as good as she is, she will have trouble competing internationally.

A mare - no big stud deal- I think it's a no brainer for to compete in the Doncaster with 56.5 kg if she is fit and well.

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« 2016-Mar-22, 01:04 PM Reply #65 »
Winx's rating has risen to 120 ( 58.5 ) which means she is in the Doncaster 2 kgs to her advantage.




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« 2016-Mar-22, 02:59 PM Reply #66 »
Last chance for her to win a handicap I would suggest. She won't be able to win either of the Cups and or the Epsom in the spring now. She is not a sprinter, so as good as she is, she will have trouble competing internationally.

A mare - no big stud deal- I think it's a no brainer for to compete in the Doncaster with 56.5 kg if she is fit and well.

Why the negative post ianb?

I would think she has it all ahead of her and if she maintains her current form she is next to unbeatable.

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« 2016-Mar-22, 03:34 PM Reply #67 »
Last chance for her to win a handicap I would suggest. She won't be able to win either of the Cups and or the Epsom in the spring now. She is not a sprinter, so as good as she is, she will have trouble competing internationally.

A mare - no big stud deal- I think it's a no brainer for to compete in the Doncaster with 56.5 kg if she is fit and well.

So they don't have mile to 2000m races O/S eh?

 :huh:

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« 2016-Mar-22, 04:43 PM Reply #68 »
I don't know of any Australian horse other than So You Think who has been really able to compete in that range.

Haradun Sun did win win the 2008 Queen Anne Stakes but I would suggest he was gifted it.

The only reason So You Think went to Europe was to make his name as a stallion and hopefully win the race with the really big money the Arc.

On current form Winx can win any WFA between 1400 - 2000M in Australia.


PP7 her time in the George Ryder tells us she way ahead of anything racing in Australia at the moment. It just doesn't make sense to prove she might be as good as So You Think.

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« 2016-Mar-22, 04:52 PM Reply #69 »
Better Street Cry mare Zenyatta or Winx?

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« 2016-Mar-22, 05:09 PM Reply #70 »
Better Street Cry mare Zenyatta or Winx?

Good question.

Winx has taken on the boys all 4yo year. I believe Zenyatta lost her only open race at 4. Happy to be corrected.


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« 2016-Mar-22, 05:10 PM Reply #71 »
I have no doubt Winx is every bit as good as So You Think.


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« 2016-Mar-22, 05:28 PM Reply #72 »
Better Street Cry mare Zenyatta or Winx?

Zenyatta had the better drugs but worse race calls. 

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« 2016-Mar-22, 09:07 PM Reply #73 »
I don't know of any Australian horse other than So You Think who has been really able to compete in that range.

Haradun Sun did win win the 2008 Queen Anne Stakes but I would suggest he was gifted it.

The only reason So You Think went to Europe was to make his name as a stallion and hopefully win the race with the really big money the Arc.

On current form Winx can win any WFA between 1400 - 2000M in Australia.


In recent times, who other than Criterion has been over to compete?  :shrug:


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« 2016-Mar-22, 09:29 PM Reply #74 »
Starcraft?


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