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Offline firezuki

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« 2018-Oct-28, 04:22 AM Reply #725 »
"Equine Utopia" :clap2:
Controlled it. :yes:


Never looked like losing in what I consider one of her easiest wins. 


I think she's lost her real turn of hoof but that's to expected.


She still has enough to get it done when it matters though.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 08:47 AM Reply #726 »

Four heroines and one question for Admiral Rous

Our best four horses in recent years -- MD, SL, BC and WX -- have been mares running on into their 7yro seasons.

Each has been astonishing.

If there are no historical parallels for this, it raises the question of whether 'what's different' is about newly available treatments.

..... and that moves on to 'weight allowances'.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 09:02 AM Reply #727 »
I only have one concern for Winx when she returns in Sydney.

The crowd won’t be there. Slipper Day only attracted 21k to watch Winx run too.

Not sure why but crowds are dropping off except for Everest and maybe the Championship

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« 2018-Oct-28, 09:38 AM Reply #728 »

Free tickets

The crowd for mountain day may have been less without the distribution of ( how many) free tickets.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 10:11 AM Reply #729 »
I am not knocking Winx, but I still think Phar Lap's performances are marginally better.

He won 37 out of 51 starts and 32 out of his last 35 starts , in the other 3 he finished second twice and carried the grandstand to finish unplaced in the Melbourne Cup. In that sequence of runs after winning the Cox Plate an attempt was made on his life by two assailants on Derby Day who fired shots at him as he was walked home from trackwork. That same  afternoon he went to Flemington and won the Melbourne Stakes over 10 furlongs  ( now the MacKinnon Stakes ) he was then floated  away from his familiar stable to Geelong to avoid a further attempt on his life. On the following Tuesday he won the Cup, over 2 miles  then followed up on Oaks Day winning the Linlithgow Stakes over 8 furlongs before fronting up on the final day of Cup week winning the CB Fiisher Plaste over 12 furlongs . In other words a win EVERY day of Cup Week.

His record of winning that Melbourne Cup,  both the AJC & VRC Derbies, two Cox Plates ( he only contested two ), three Craven Plate and numerous other WFA races puts his Australian record into perspective . He was then shipped by boat to USA and won the Agua Caliente Handicap, at that time the largest prize money ever offered in North America, in course record time carrying 58.5 kg .

Those multitude of wins are surely are a little better than Winx's wonderful wins.
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« 2018-Oct-28, 11:29 AM Reply #730 »
I am not knocking Winx, but I still think Phar Lap's performances are marginally better.

He won 37 out of 51 starts and 32 out of his last 35 starts , in the other 3 he finished second twice and carried the grandstand to finish unplaced in the Melbourne Cup. In that sequence of runs after winning the Cox Plate an attempt was made on his life by two assailants on Derby Day who fired shots at him as he was walked home from trackwork. That same  afternoon he went to Flemington and won the Melbourne Stakes over 10 furlongs  ( now the MacKinnon Stakes ) he was then floated  away from his familiar stable to Geelong to avoid a further attempt on his life. On the following Tuesday he won the Cup, over 2 miles  then followed up on Oaks Day winning the Linlithgow Stakes over 8 furlongs before fronting up on the final day of Cup week winning the CB Fiisher Plaste over 12 furlongs . In other words a win EVERY day of Cup Week.

His record of winning that Melbourne Cup,  both the AJC & VRC Derbies, two Cox Plates ( he only contested two ), three Craven Plate and numerous other WFA races puts his Australian record into perspective . He was then shipped by boat to USA and won the Agua Caliente Handicap, at that time the largest prize money ever offered in North America, in course record time carrying 58.5 kg .

Those multitude of wins are surely are a little better than Winx's wonderful wins.

Invariably this question will come up.

I do not think you can compare horses of different eras. These discussions on who was the better horse make for good conversation but are only opinions at the end of the day.

The very fact that you are comparing Winx to Phar Lap is the point here. I agree that her historical peers are Phar Lap and Tulloch (don't forget him).

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« 2018-Oct-28, 12:24 PM Reply #731 »
In NSW the F4 paid $38.50.

Nearly the favourite way hence most susceptible to truncation.

Which was less than 0.1/38.50

~= 0.26%

So your bizarre claim was out by a factor of nearly 10!

I suspect your alcoholic icon belonged at the front of your post.

I don’t care about any of those fractions. Got it 10 times so happy to collect the $385

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« 2018-Oct-28, 12:25 PM Reply #732 »
Does anyone know what is happening with her?

Racing, Spell or Retirement?

She should be going to the Mackinnon but that certainly won’t be happening.......sadly  :sad:

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« 2018-Oct-28, 12:28 PM Reply #733 »
Free tickets

The crowd for mountain day may have been less without the distribution of ( how many) free tickets.

You tell us as your making the allegations or are you doing so on zero basis  :chin:

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« 2018-Oct-28, 07:04 PM Reply #734 »
There was a piece in the Oz yesterday on great sporting winning streaks and Winx's attempt at a 4th Cox Plate being the main item.

Heather McKay, the champion squash player, went from 1962 to 1981 without losing a match and won 16 straight British Open titles.

That would surely be the best of the best.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 07:06 PM Reply #735 »
Yes mate. The whole order of that list was wrong

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« 2018-Oct-28, 08:02 PM Reply #736 »
Remember all that x factor, big heart stuff...heart scores etc?
I wonder if she has it?
Looking at her pedigree, I cannot see a source of big heart...Riverman in behind Street Cry maybe?
Like Frankel, it is her beats per minute superiority, not her shape or size, that makes her a champ.
Makes me wonder regards these champs...why aren't they scanned and studied?
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« 2018-Oct-28, 08:38 PM Reply #737 »
'Greatest thing I've seen in 50 years': Winx joins Phar Lap and Bradman

By Max Presnell

Now in the status of Phar Lap, Les Darcy and Don Bradman, Winx, a national idol, should blaze across the sails of the Sydney Opera House.

Perhaps racing had an unfortunate debut on this hallowed space recently, an advertising gimmick that went skewiff, but Saturday’s Cox Plate at Moonee Valley should be remembered as one of Australia’s great sporting events, emphasising the best aspects of the turf.

While champions shouldn’t be compared, magic moments don’t come into that category and the great mare surpassed anything I’ve seen on the racecourse or sporting fields for the last half-century.

Yes, many are enhanced by successful personal investment, particularly influencing a prophet for the punt, but this did not influence the satisfaction of Winx on Saturday. It was awesome art, sculptured by Chris Waller, that glowed under the polish of Hugh Bowman, the pair producing perfection 29 times.

Others she topped are Kingston Town’s third Cox Plate featuring the call "and Kingston Town can’t win" and Makybe Diva’s third Melbourne Cup preceded by the recall of horses spread across the turn with her the widest in the 2005 Cox Plate.

Yes, the Moonee Valley cauldron adds to the spectacle and excitement but Flemington and Royal Randwick have fashioned thrills that will never be extinguished as well.

When Bowman allowed Winx to make her move, with a measure of grace and power, approaching the turn to test the mettle of Benbatl, a top-class opponent, the presence of witnessing some unique power kicked in.

It wasn’t brutal but Winx dispatched the import into mediocrity in a couple of strides, making light of a track bias that favoured those on the inside.

"Winx, will you marry me?" the sign from a suitor exclaimed amongst the sea of blue speckled by red of sponsors caps.

More than 30,000 packed into the Valley to see her record-breaking fourth Cox Plate triumph and left without a complaint.

The undercard was excellent, led by Daryl Braithwaite, who got the tone just right in performing The Horses.

And while Winx was the headliner, a filly also caught the eye.

Mystic Journey, the Tasmanian winner of the $200,000 Fillies Classic, cost $11,000 as a yearling and on most programs would be regarded as the best value buy on the program.

However, Winx took her earnings to $22,884,920 on Saturday, not bad for a $230,000 outlay. And where did it start?

"Thoroughbred foals are born with spindly legs nearly as long as they will ever be," Andrew Rule wrote in the superb Winx, published by Allen and Unwin. "But long legs mean they usually take longer to stand after being born longer.

"Many of them take hours to master the wobbly stilts before they can keep up with mum. They look like drunks at closing time, doing pratfalls.

"But this foal was different … she jumped to her feet in the first 10 minutes while the mare was still cleaning off afterbirth. Twenty minutes later she was walking around as if she was doing it all night. Most new foals are unsteady on rickety legs for hours.

"Even the great Secretariat, the template against which modern champions are measured, took 45 minutes to stand, which was quicker than most. But Vegas Showgirl’s filly was something else."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/greatest-thing-i-ve-seen-in-50-years-winx-joins-phar-lap-and-bradman-20181028-p50cgl.html

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« 2018-Oct-29, 12:51 AM Reply #738 »
Is there a major race where Daryl doesn't perform 'The Horses?' 


He must wake up and pinch himself every time there is a Group 1. 

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« 2018-Oct-29, 06:00 AM Reply #739 »
FZ for starters neither the Melbourne or Caulfield Cup meetings

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« 2018-Oct-29, 09:17 AM Reply #740 »
Is there a major race where Daryl doesn't perform 'The Horses?' 


He must wake up and pinch himself every time there is a Group 1.

It is not his song either. He pinched it off Ricki Lee-Jones.

He actually sang it with her in Melbourne last year - amateur recording. She is one of the great understated talents.


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« 2018-Oct-29, 12:58 PM Reply #741 »
FZ for starters neither the Melbourne or Caulfield Cup meetings


This must be rectified surely. 

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« 2018-Oct-29, 06:19 PM Reply #742 »
It is not his song either. He pinched it off Ricki Lee-Jones.

He actually sang it with her in Melbourne last year - amateur recording. She is one of the great understated talents.



I must admit Daryl rose to the occasion on stage with Ricki.  His performances at the Valley haven't come close to what he did there.  Being on stage with the creator instead of in front of a pack of drunk real estate agents obviously demanded a proper crack at the song.  Well done.


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« 2018-Oct-29, 07:15 PM Reply #743 »
Yeah but those drunken real estate agents are probably slipping fifty dollars notes down his undies. 

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« 2018-Oct-29, 08:11 PM Reply #744 »
  :lol:

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« 2018-Oct-29, 08:45 PM Reply #745 »
I haven't been to cox plate since Super Impose won but if its the same sort of crowd then it is more likely to be tradies in suits outside the members - i must be the only person that still goes to the big race days in jeans

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« 2018-Oct-29, 08:51 PM Reply #746 »


..... the sun came up again

It is only news when the sun does not.

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« 2018-Oct-29, 11:32 PM Reply #747 »
Fair point timw.   I wouldn't know who goes the Cox Plate (but there was a lot of them).   The last meeting I went to was at Moe.   :unsu


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« 2018-Oct-30, 06:33 PM Reply #748 »
https://www.justhorseracing.com.au/general-news/snippets/social/winx-what-makes-her-the-worlds-best-horse/480709

Points of Interest:
•   Winx’s stride in full flight is on average 6.53 metres, which is a lot smaller than Black Caviar’s 8.50 metres.

•   To compensate for that small stride, Winx takes around 85 strides per 30 seconds, whilst her group one rivals take only 70.

•   The standard top class galloper struggles to maintain 12 footfalls every five seconds, while Winx continues at a whopping 14 footfalls every five seconds, even in the closing stages of a race, explaining how she reels off sprinters sectionals in middle distance events.

•   Winx’s lungs distribute 10,000 litres of air per race and her heart beats 140 times per minute, distributing 30 litres of blood to her muscles, which are comprised of higher density, slow twitch fibres which use oxygen more efficiently to aid endurance, and allow her to sustain her top speed for a longer period than her rivals.

“It’s a lethal mix, well, for her rivals anyway – Winx is a perfectly built, impeccably balanced, equine athlete,” TAB ambassador Emma Freedman said.

“Ironically, Chris Waller and Hugh Bowman have a more simplistic view of what sets the legend apart from everyone else, they say her will to win and determination are her greatest attributes.”

Giddy Up :beer:



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« 2018-Oct-30, 08:04 PM Reply #749 »
I never went to races before the era when Leilani won the Caulfield Cup and Manikato won the Caulfield Guineas and I thought Mighty Kingdom was better than Kingston Town (oops) but I reckon Winx is the best I have seen and they are just a few of many fantastic horses who at their top rate as world class as Black Caviar, So You Think,  Takeover Target, Sunline, Better Loosen Up and Horlicks etc obviously proved.     

Cheers


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