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Online wily ole dog

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« 2018-Oct-31, 07:36 AM Reply #750 »
I never went to races before the era when Leilani won the Caulfield Cup and Manikato won the Caulfield Guineas and I thought Mighty Kingdom was better than Kingston Town (oops) but I reckon Winx is the best I have seen and they are just a few of many fantastic horses who at their top rate as world class as Black Caviar, So You Think,  Takeover Target, Sunline, Better Loosen Up and Horlicks etc obviously proved.     

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Tim, they all proved themselves as world class but donít forget there were plenty more that didnít travel but were as good if not better than them.

Due to those travelling and performing  we also know that the likes of Northerly, lonhro, Fairway, Vo Rogue all would haven performed OS.

In short, we are in a slump at the moment, Winx aside, but generally our best are as good as theirs.

Donít forget Starspangledbanner and Elvestroem did okay overseas as well

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« 2018-Oct-31, 12:51 PM Reply #751 »
In an interview this morning there was an indication from Waller that she will be retired after an autumn campaign with her finale being the Queen Elizabeth.

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« 2018-Oct-31, 01:36 PM Reply #752 »
Why retire her?

She doesn't know how old she is.

Just that she's better than any other.

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« 2018-Oct-31, 02:15 PM Reply #753 »
I could be wrong but that seemed to be the feeling from Waller.

It makes sense, her racing wear and tear is more like a 6 year old's  than a 7 year old because of Waller's superb management but 8 years old is getting into the area where she's going to fade even allowing for the fact that she was a late bloomer.

Waller and the connections will be very keen to retire her at the top.

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« 2018-Oct-31, 04:20 PM Reply #754 »
In an interview this morning there was an indication from Waller that she will be retired after an autumn campaign with her finale being the Queen Elizabeth.

I reckon that plan has been a lock for a long, long while.

Otherwise we would have seen Winx 'farewells' everywhere  :chin:

Not to mention she would have sat around awaiting the breeding season.

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« 2018-Oct-31, 07:42 PM Reply #755 »
I reckon a 5th Cox Plate after being served by Snitzel is the go... ;)  :lol:
She could do it.

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« 2018-Nov-01, 12:37 AM Reply #756 »
I'd like her to have a lovely candlelight dinner with Frankel. 


Maybe they could meet in Bali or Thailand. 

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« 2018-Nov-01, 06:26 AM Reply #757 »
Bali?

Are you suggesting our Winx is a feral bogan :o

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« 2018-Nov-01, 07:41 AM Reply #758 »
  Didn't anyone else notice the number of times WINX dropped/dipped her head in the run, which is uncharacteristic for a horse in full flight?.
  Winx has nothing more to prove and yet given the chance she may also astound in the breeding barn and/or
 Equine Family Trees, for many years to come.

  No, as the words go In Pretty Woman :

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"It Must Have Been Love"

(it must have been love but it's over now)

Lay a whisper on my pillow,
Leave the winter on the ground.
I wake up lonely, there's air of silence
In the bedroom and all around

Touch me now, I close my eyes and dream away.

It must have been love but it's over now.
It must have been good but I lost it somehow.
It must have been love but it's over now.
From the moment we touched, 'til the time had run out.

 Give her that chance; the worst of the alternatives, should it happen,  would  break the racing fraternity's heart.
« Last Edit: 2018-Nov-03, 07:46 PM by pegasyber »

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« 2018-Nov-01, 08:55 AM Reply #759 »
Bali?

Are you suggesting our Winx is a feral bogan :o


She does have a tatoo.


But what a foal that might turn out to be.

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« 2018-Nov-01, 03:27 PM Reply #760 »
Bali?

Are you suggesting our Winx is a feral bogan :o

In Kuta for bogans , but Nusa Dua would be OK.

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« 2018-Nov-04, 09:01 AM Reply #761 »
I donít care about any of those fractions. Got it 10 times so happy to collect the $385
My post admonished Bubba for his deranged estimate of F4 truncation.

In return I get this rubbish which is a squillion times worse.

I don't know how many times seasoned punters need to be told that, generally-

Any Tote Exotic with Winx is bad value. Worse than simply having her for a Win.

The F4 with its 22.5+% Rake is the worst.

The only Exotic worth considering is the Duet leaving out Winx.

The most promising pertinent Markets were on Betfair.

Winner without Winx.

And the 4 Place Market.

It is insane to laboriously do the form for a race, then squander that effort by betting on the wrong Markets.


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« 2018-Dec-22, 08:15 PM Reply #762 »
The Waller Stable has announced Winx likely program for the autumn of 2029 (ha ha).

Looking at  http://racingaustralia.horse/arb/Group_ListedRaceDates/2018-2019.aspx (updated 14 Nov 2018)  it seems her race dates are as follows:

16/02/2019.      Apollo Stakes (G2)
2/03/2019.      Chipping Norton Stakes (G1)
23/03/2019.      George Ryder Stakes (G1)
13/04/2019.      Queen Elizabeth Stakes (G1)

It also seems the gross prizemoney for these races is unchanged from last year, If the net remains the same and if (and its a big if) she happens to win all four than she will add AUD 3,516,250 (including trophies) to her total earnings.

Assuming AUD 1.00 = USD 0.72 and GBP 0.54 (a bigger 'if') she will be number 2 in USD with about USD 19,781,000 behind Buena Vista (JPN) 2006 (mare) on USD 19,883,807, number 2 in AUD on 26,451,175 behind T M Opera O (JPN) 1996 on AUD 29,003,944 and number 1 in GBP on about GBP 14,681,000 ahead of Arrogate (USA) 2013 on GBP 13,877,428 (USD 17,422,600) which also demonstrates the volatility of exchange rates over time.

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« 2019-Jan-15, 04:38 PM Reply #763 »
Rosehill trial today Winx was very sluggish out didn't seem to be exerted finished 7th without being pushed ran past the others when they were pulling up hard to get a line on that although both trainer and jockey were "satisfied" she will trial again before resuming race day duties that will be a better guide as to her condition.


https://www.justhorseracing.com.au/news/australian-racing/winx-returns-in-rosehill-barrier-trial/496407

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« 2019-Jan-15, 05:47 PM Reply #764 »
The popular consensus is that she will retire if all goes well after the QE.

Any chance of chasing a 5th Cox plate or wishful thinking?

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« 2019-Jan-15, 07:07 PM Reply #765 »
The popular consensus is that she will retire if all goes well after the QE.

Any chance of chasing a 5th Cox plate or wishful thinking?

off to the barn , I think mate

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« 2019-Jan-15, 08:31 PM Reply #766 »
I know nothing about horses so I would have retired Winx after her second Cox Plate win.  Reading between the lines in a story by 'Chris Roots' (Fairfax,yesterday) Exhilarates will be retired for a while so that stable star Tassort has a clear run at the Golden Slipper.  So we now have a B grade Golden Slipper to protect the stud value of Tassort ?.  At least Hartnell had a crack at Winx?   Perhaps Exhilarates is the next real star.

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« 2019-Jan-15, 08:42 PM Reply #767 »
I will be surprised if she throws a good horse but would love to see it.

I canít remember a great race mare in recent years producing anything like a G1 winner. I am talking about Sunline, Makybe Diva, Black Caviar, Etheral etc

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« 2019-Jan-15, 10:51 PM Reply #768 »
Of the 13 mares in the Hall of Fame only Wakeful has produced a 'Gr.1 winner'.

 In fact she produced two, the Melbourne Cup winner Nightwatch and the Futurity Stakes and Oakleigh Plate winner Blairgour. 

No one else has even got close.  Flight was grand dam to two Golden Slipper & Derby winners.  Let's Elope's son Outback Joe won an Adelaide Cup.

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« 2019-Jan-17, 03:22 PM Reply #769 »
Of the 13 mares in the Hall of Fame only Wakeful has produced a 'Gr.1 winner'.

 In fact she produced two, the Melbourne Cup winner Nightwatch and the Futurity Stakes and Oakleigh Plate winner Blairgour. 

No one else has even got close.  Flight was grand dam to two Golden Slipper & Derby winners.  Let's Elope's son Outback Joe won an Adelaide Cup.

That is a greater strike rate than the general broodmare population.

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« 2019-Jan-17, 06:11 PM Reply #770 »
It is an awesome list. I donít think there will be any from the Winx Era challengers will be there.

She made them all look second rate at times.

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« 2019-Jan-24, 07:39 AM Reply #771 »
She won!
Justified well deserved Horse of the Year.
We all knew that.
Joint winner with some horse called Cracksman.
Who the hell is he?😉
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« 2019-Jan-29, 01:10 PM Reply #772 »
Possibly her best trial ever.......never tested pushed wide all the way and looked like she could have won had Bowman wanted to give her some rein .

https://www.justhorseracing.com.au/news/australian-racing/watch-winx-impressive-in-rosehill-trial/498632


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« 2019-Feb-15, 07:20 PM Reply #773 »
Winx faces her final foe
Andrew Eddy@fastisheddy   12:44pm
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As a winner of 29 races in a row over 46 months, Winx has defied all that has been thrown at her. From the tangible factors such as the weather and track conditions to the less-palpable weight of expectation, Winx has continued to flout the normal order of things.

But as she prepares for her 40th race start and, most probably, her 30th-consecutive win at Randwick on Saturday, the mighty mare faces an unavoidable foe. It is an enemy that can be denied for a while, but one that eventually has its way.

Winx's rare ability to run and to race is not in question, nor is her extraordinary talent to adapt and to overcome, but on Saturday, she enters virgin territory for a champion mare. On paper, her victory seems assured, but there is another order that she has no power over.

Of the 13 mares to have previously been crowned Australasia's champion racehorse since the award's inception nearly 50 years ago, none made it to the racetrack as an autumn seven-year-old.

Most were done physically and/or mentally as four or five-year-olds. From the list, only the Kiwi mare Sunline raced as a spring seven-year-old but she was beaten in all three starts in Australia that spring, a year after handing over her Cox Plate crown to Northerly.

Makybe Diva was listed as a spring seven-year-old when she took her third Melbourne Cup in 2005 but she was bred in the Northern Hemisphere so was six months behind the Australian seven-year-olds when her fabulous career was terminated moments after her third Cup triumph.

The Royal Ascot winner Miss Andretti attempted a comeback to racing as a spring seven-year-old but that lasted just one start after she failed to beat a runner home in a mere Listed race at Caulfield.

Winx has, so far, staved off the effects of her trade but whether she can beat time this autumn, across four planned starts, might prove to be another matter.

Mares to win the Australasian Horse Of The Year title:

WINX (born September 14, 2011): 39 starts - 33 wins. Champion racehorse winner 2015/16, 2016/17, 2017/18) - Chasing win No. 30 in a row in Apollo Stakes on Saturday as an autumn seven-year-old.
BLACK CAVIAR (born August 18, 2006): 25 starts - 25 wins. Champion racehorse winner 2010/11, 2011/12, 2012/13 - Retired as an autumn six-year-old with victory in the group 1 T J Smith Stakes at Randwick, April, 2013
TYPHOON TRACY (born September 5, 2005): 20 starts - 11 wins. Champion 2009/10 - Retired as an autumn five-year-old with victory in the group 1 Orr Stakes, February, 2011
MISS ANDRETTI (born August 12, 2001): 31 starts - 19 wins. Champion 2006/07 - Retired as a spring seven-year-old with 14th in the listed The Heath, August, 2008.
MAKYBE DIVA (born in UK on March 21, 1999): 36 starts - 15 wins. Champion 2004/-5, 2005/06 - Retired as a Southern Hemisphere spring seven-year-old with victory in the Melbourne Cup, November, 2005.
SUNLINE (born September 29, 1995): 48 starts - 32 wins. Champion 1999/2000, 2000/01, 2001/02 - Retired as a spring seven-year-old with fourth in the Cox Plate, October, 2002.
LET'S ELOPE (born November 20, 1987): 26 starts - 11 wins. Champion 1991/92 - Retired as a six-year-old with fourth placing at Santa Anita in the US, January, 1994
RESEARCH (born October 30, 1985). 31 starts - 9 wins. Champion 1988/89 - Retired as an autumn five-year-old with seventh in the Chipping Norton, March, 1990
BOUNDING AWAY (born September 26, 1983). 22 starts - 9 wins. Champion: 1985/86) - Retired as a three-year-old with 12th placing in the Queensland Derby, June, 1987.
EMANCIPATION (born October 15, 1979). 28 starts - 19 wins. Champion: 1983/84 - Retired as a four-year-old with sixth in Doomben Sprint, June, 1984.
ROSE OF KINGSTON (born September 17, 1978): 25 starts - 10 wins, Champion: 1981/82) - Retired as a spring four-year-old with victory in the Coongy Handicap, October, 1982
MAYBE MAHAL (born August 1, 1972). Champion 1977/78 - Retired as an autumn five-year-old.
SURROUND (born August 1, 1973). 28 starts - 17 wins. Champion 1976/77 - Retired as an autumn five-year-old.
LEILANI (born September 30, 1970). 28 starts - 14 wins. Champion 1974/75 - Retired as an autumn five-year-old.


ENDS

Hope those of us who've taken the $2 haven't put the mock on Winx tomorrow...I am reminded of the saying if it looks too good to be true it probably is..Fingers crossed

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« 2019-Feb-16, 03:06 PM Reply #774 »
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