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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2018-Sep-12, 01:59 AM Reply #650 »
Sometimes you forget that you are "living in the moment".

Winx is highly likely to be in her last year of racing and when you see the list of Acceptors for the George Main and see those picket fences and that 132 rating makes you wonder how much longer it is going to go on.

Hats off to connections in the way they have extended her racing career so the public gets to watch and they are not raced off to stud. I actually think they learnt a bit from the way Black Caviar was similarly well handled as you do with things of value in modern times.

This is the sort of thing you see when going back through Trove looking at the contemporary form guides in the days of Phar Lap.



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« 2018-Sep-14, 11:38 AM Reply #651 »
Re the question  would Carbine, Phar lap, Tulloch, or Winx be able to win a Caufield Cup with 68kgs ?

I suspect Carbine would have.

He won a Melbourne Cup with 66kgs in a 39 horse field with a hoof injury and was pulling away from the rest of the field at the end.
Given modern day riding styles ( crouch style ) he would have pissed in.

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« 2018-Sep-15, 09:15 PM Reply #652 »
Wow, how sad is this forum, these days.?
She does what she does today, and hours later, no comment.
Winx was dynamite today.
What a last 200.
Spoilt.
Spoilt is what we are.

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« 2018-Sep-15, 11:35 PM Reply #653 »
NOt me!  Just haven't seen it yet.


I have plenty of respect for Le Romain - I think he's a very good horse - but she blew by him.


Can't wait to see it. 

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« 2018-Sep-16, 01:03 AM Reply #654 »
Wow, how sad is this forum, these days.?
She does what she does today, and hours later, no comment.
Winx was dynamite today.
What a last 200.
Spoilt.
Spoilt is what we are.

Very tough crowd here mate. They'd boo Santa Claus.

I thought Bowman was being a little bit arrogant today. They are trying to keep some reserve for Melbourne.

Not convinced that Avilius is a 2400m horse. If he fails in the Metrop they might switch him back to the Cox Plate? After the failure of Humidor today thinking he might be the only serious contender to Winx in the Cox Plate if there are any at all.

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« 2018-Sep-16, 07:36 AM Reply #655 »
Well speaking of booing Santa PP, how could you say Avilius looks sus on that run today?


Are you completely crazy?  Have you lost your mind?  Are you starting to agree with Winner on things?


My only concern is will he handle the opposite way of going?  He looks like he won't like Caulfied.


But Flemington?   :yes:


As for the woman.  Hugh was scrubbing her ears off a long way from home.


I'm not sure whether she has lost her brilliance (um, probably not) or whether she was just taking the piss. 


Being set for the Cox, it is possible it was the former. 


But I still reckon she had a smirk on her face at the 200. 

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« 2018-Sep-16, 09:07 AM Reply #656 »
She looks fine to me.

She hasn't really shown instant acceleration since she was a spring 4 year old,  in the Autumn she took a while to wind up in the Doncaster and in a fast run 1400 -1600
she hits a flat patch initially when Bowman asks her to go.

She'll find things easier once she gets to 2000 tempo and Bowman can place her in the field anywhere he wants.


 

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« 2018-Sep-16, 09:46 AM Reply #657 »
Wow, how sad is this forum, these days.?
She does what she does today, and hours later, no comment.
Winx was dynamite today.
What a last 200.
Spoilt.
Spoilt is what we are.

I just sit watching in amazement. Also amazed watching punters backing anything to beat her.

I’m happy that I stopped betting on any of her last 15 or so races so I could just sit back and focus totally on her ability.


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« 2018-Sep-16, 11:47 AM Reply #658 »
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I just sit watching in amazement. Also amazed watching punters backing anything to beat her.

I’m happy that I stopped betting on any of her last 15 or so races so I could just sit back and focus totally on her ability][/quote]

That sums it up, winner. Best I've seen by a mile and best I'm ever likely to see. 

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« 2018-Sep-16, 12:23 PM Reply #659 »
Lots of hints yesterday that this is not her last prep.
Like I said before, she will be knocking off the QE in Sydney in 2019, having won 31 odd straight.

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« 2018-Sep-16, 09:08 PM Reply #660 »
Perhaps Carbine, Phar Lap and Tulloch could have won a Caulfield Cup with 68kgs and perhaps Winx never would win such a race but none of them did. She can win on anything from a good3 to a heavy10 and very few can.  She can win left handed and right handed and a lot struggle with that, She can win at Caulfield, Moonee Valley and Flemington sometimes thought to be 'horses for courses' and she is not even a local. None of the others had to worry about beating horses flown in from all around the world by crazy rich people chasing the pots of money that are now on offer on the world circuit and yet we have locals bleating about not being able to get a local horse into the Melbourne Cup.  I give up.

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« 2018-Sep-16, 09:20 PM Reply #661 »

Are the treated mares 'geldings'?

MD, SL, BC, Wx

The best horses racing in recent years have been mares running on into their age limits.

These marvellous facts do raise issues about the permitted treatments of mares to override seasonal conditions.

I suspect that there will be some research and some conclusions.


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« 2018-Sep-19, 04:58 PM Reply #662 »

Is this the $7 million carrot to entice Winx overseas?


Clinton Payne Article Author






The owners of the Pegasus World Cup have introduced a new $US7 million turf race with a view to attracting “the best older turf horses from around the world” – Australia’s own Winx sitting at the top of their desired guest list.


The 1900m Grade 1 race will be run alongside the Pegasus World Cup, which has had it’s prizemoney reduced from $US16 million to $US9 million and held at Gulfstream Park on Australia Day, January 26.


“The appetite for a turf race is strong and the decision to include a premier turf race is part of the ongoing evolution of the Pegasus World Cup,” Belinda Stronach, chairman and president of The Stronach Group said.


“We are excited to expand this event for both horse owners and fans, adding to what is already an incredible day of entertainment and world-class racing at Gulfstream Park.”


The Stronach Group says 12 slots will be sold at $US500,000 each and the race will carry a winner’s purse of $US3 million.


“As an international owner I am thrilled that the Pegasus World Cup will include a turf race,” Coolmore boss John Magnier said.


“Coolmore, like The Stronach Group, believes in growing our sport and there is no better way to do that than to provide a new platform to showcase the world’s best thoroughbreds.”


Previously Winx’s trainer Chris Waller has indicated a desire to showcase Winx in other parts of the world.


This race appears to be placed at a time when it could be done after Winx attempts to rewrite Australian racing record books, chasing her unrivalled fourth win in a Cox Plate in October.


“I'd be lying if I said I didn't have regrets for not going with Winx,” Waller said in June after declining to take her to Royal Ascot for the Queen Anne Stakes.


Last Saturday Winx won her 27th consecutive race in the Group I George Main Stakes. It was her 29th black-type victory and broke Sunline’s Australasian record for Stakes wins.


Winx currently holds Australian racing records of the most consecutive wins, the most Group I wins (20) and the most prizemoney earned.


Victory in her next two starts will see Winx eclipse Kingston Town’s record of three Cox Plate wins and she will become the greatest earner in international racing history.


THE END


Certainly the right distance and at the right time.  Might be interesting. 

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« 2018-Sep-20, 03:08 PM Reply #663 »
As long as she gets her own plane.
Perhaps, bring a Concorde outta mothballs...get her there quick,  out of Sydney.
Then, Autumn program,QE etc, then spring, have her served by Snitzel, race in foal into 5th Cox Plate.
Then retire.
And get yourself in foal every 13 months or so...if you please.
5 million dollar foal.  :no1:

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« 2018-Sep-20, 03:11 PM Reply #664 »
Her travelling days are behind her. She is too old now. I hope she is never retired and just goes around in circles doing what she has been doing for the past 2 years.

2ndly Our trainers are not flexible enough to be able to fit in a international race in January.


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« 2018-Sep-22, 06:58 PM Reply #665 »
Not sure where Clinton Payne gets his info that

'Victory in her next two starts will see Winx eclipse Kingston Town’s record of three Cox Plate wins and she will become the greatest earner in international racing history.'

I recently included the following under Winx career record:

WORLD WIDE CAREER EARNINGS RECORDS
According to my analysis Winx is now the world's 9th highest earner in US dollars using Reserve Bank of Australia daily exchange rates for the day of the race or the immediately preceeding trading day in the race date is on a non-trading day.  She is 6th highest earner if the horses earnings are converted to AUD and 7th if converted to British pounds. 

My top 11 earners in USD and AUD are
Buena Vista (JPN) 2006   USD 19,883,806.92   AUD 21,941,647.67
Orfevre (JPN) 2008   USD 18,988,822.81   AUD 18,869,240.21
Gentildonna (JPN) 2009   USD 18,481,223.14   AUD 19,256,471.41
Arrogate (USA) 2013   USD 17,422,600.00   AUD 22,934,750.54
Kitasan Black (JPN) 2012   USD 16,554,365.50   AUD 22,020,065.93
T M Opera O (JPN) 1996   USD 16,252,573.34   AUD 29,003,944.47
Gun Runner (USA) 2013   USD 15,988,500.00   AUD 20,397,995.98
Gold Ship (JPN) 2009   USD 15,043,119.59   AUD 15,651,726.75
Winx (AUS) 2011 (as at 15 Sept 2011)   USD 14,890,273.63   AUD 19,582,425.00
California Chrome (USA) 2011   USD 14,752,650.00   AUD 18,515,899.16
Vodka (JPN) 2004 (mare)   USD 14,179,220.88   AUD 17,291,550.01
Note:  Deep Impact (JPN) 2002 earned more JPY than Vodka and Gold Ship but misses the top 10 when converted to USD and AUD.  According to equibase the top European runner is Highland Reel at around USD 10,500,000.   

As you can see Winx has to earn more more than USD 5,000,000 to pass Buena Vista or if Aussie dollars are the yard stick she has to earn AUD 9,000,000 plus to pass T M Opera O such are the vagaries of tracking earnings across multiple jurisdictions and currencies.  So even if she wins her next two starts she will not be no 1 unless she wins the AUD 15,000,000 Thredbo at her next start. 

Cheers

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« 2018-Sep-22, 07:10 PM Reply #666 »
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« 2018-Sep-22, 07:48 PM Reply #667 »
Lots of hints yesterday that this is not her last prep.
Like I said before, she will be knocking off the QE in Sydney in 2019, having won 31 odd straight.

You can just about guarantee it.

There would have been a whole lot more hoopla for her 'last' run in Sydney if that was the case.

She'll be back  :clap2:

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« 2018-Sep-22, 08:11 PM Reply #668 »
Chris Waller is a bit hard on himself for not taking her overseas.

The lighter campaign load has allowed her to race longer and attempt an unprecedented 4th Cox Plate win.

How good would it be to see her try and win Cox #5 next year if she won this year not to mention an unprecedented 3rd QE2 next autumn.



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« 2018-Sep-24, 09:17 PM Reply #669 »
I have updated the table of world's leading money earners (posted 22/09/2018 above) to include Kitasan Black (JPN) 2012.  As a result Winx fall from 8th to 9th when measuring earnings in USD

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« 2018-Sep-24, 09:22 PM Reply #670 »
WOW !!!! Isn't that interesting ? In other words , Who gives a toss ?

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« 2018-Sep-25, 09:42 AM Reply #671 »
I have updated the table of world's leading money earners (posted 22/09/2018 above) to include Kitasan Black (JPN) 2012.  As a result Winx fall from 8th to 9th when measuring earnings in USD

Thanks Tim for all your work on maintaining these stats - there wouldn't be many people here who didn't think the same   emthup

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« 2018-Oct-06, 04:49 PM Reply #672 »
 :sweat:

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« 2018-Oct-06, 05:16 PM Reply #673 »
Have to admit, I didn't think she could win from where she was at the 4. 


She got a nice split but I still thought she wasn't going well enough.


And then she stopped kidding. 

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« 2018-Oct-06, 05:19 PM Reply #674 »
Hmmmm,

Would have been beaten if a couple of higher raters were in the race.

The superb cadence not there today. Doubt they'll be on the fence again.

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