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Offline sobig

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« 2018-Oct-06, 05:43 PM Reply #675 »
They walked the first half of the race.

Her last 800 was 43.98. her last 800, 600, 400 and 200 were all the fastest of the day.

Simply outstanding again

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« 2018-Oct-06, 05:49 PM Reply #676 »
They walked the first half of the race.

Her last 800 was 43.98. her last 800, 600, 400 and 200 were all the fastest of the day.

Simply outstanding again

People will be loathe to criticize but it was a 2/10 ride for mine. Very arrogant. Too arrogant. He won't get away with that every time especially somewhere like The Valley.

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« 2018-Oct-06, 05:51 PM Reply #677 »
Certainly the pace almost beat her.   No doubt jockeys in the Cox will be noticing too.


She still found a way. 

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« 2018-Oct-06, 07:52 PM Reply #678 »
It was a logical Flemington ride by Bowman but a strange one on a$1.16 shot,  especially when he got a certainty beaten with the same tactics in the 2nd race.

I'm sure he'll have her midfield or closer at the Valley even if he has to use some petrol in the first 800.

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« 2018-Oct-06, 09:04 PM Reply #679 »
People will be loathe to criticize but it was a 2/10 ride for mine. Very arrogant. Too arrogant. He won't get away with that every time especially somewhere like The Valley.

Agree. I also think other jocks did not expect  Winx would be that far. Orherwise, some runs would not have come that early or opened up gaps.

Youngstar looked good but it is usually not a good record for horses finishing 2nd to her.

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« 2018-Oct-07, 03:43 PM Reply #680 »
Agree. I also think other jocks did not expect  Winx would be that far. Orherwise, some runs would not have come that early or opened up gaps.

Youngstar looked good but it is usually not a good record for horses finishing 2nd to her.

I agree rubbish ride but it shows how good she is, even with the jock doing his best to lose she’s still too good.

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« 2018-Oct-07, 09:40 PM Reply #681 »
How many lengths did she need to make up, in the last 400 metres?
How many times was she hit?
Easy or not?
The answer? Easy as anything.
Watch it again...she was probably 6 lengths off leader at the 600....so she really only had to do her normal job...however what is really amazing to me, was that he did not hit her.
Hands n heels...wow. She took her gap, and only tried in last 60 metres when you see her put in only 3 or 4 quick strides to gain that length.
Simply amazing...she is aware of the post, that is for sure!
Watch it again..that was her at her best.
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« 2018-Oct-08, 05:14 PM Reply #682 »
People will be loathe to criticize but it was a 2/10 ride for mine. Very arrogant. Too arrogant. He won't get away with that every time especially somewhere like The Valley.

He was just lucky he was on the mare and not something else otherwise it would have been ugly.

One wonders was he a little rattled after the grilling he got earlier in the day? His ride on Ranier was a shocker and deserved to be hauled in over.  emthdown

Maybe it added to the theatre but he pretty much had one job and that was to keep her out of trouble and he nearly balls it up.  :shutup:

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« 2018-Oct-08, 08:38 PM Reply #683 »
Those who are unhappy with his ride could help by outlining exactly what he should have done differently?
Not settled last?
Not settled inside?
Improved from 800 by droppinout clear last , then coming right around em?
What or how?
How could he predict that they would walk?
Bowman was faultless from the 600, surely.
Patient, confident, knowing.
She freaking brained em.
She is as good as ever...last 600 quicker than Caviars Lightning? FFS!
Greatness...vindicated by the clock, as always.

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« 2018-Oct-08, 09:10 PM Reply #684 »
SL you make some good points . However he was clearly on the best horse (a given ) and yet he got himself into a position where he had to ride for some luck . Totally unnecessary. In my opinion,  and also after examining the sectionals ; I figure she could have gone around four wide and donkey licked them. She is that good , there was no need for that "pretty a ride ". He simply over did it but because of who he was steering it all ended up o/k.

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« 2018-Oct-09, 08:36 AM Reply #685 »

Bowman was faultless from the 600, surely.


Could have easily angled outside Might Boss on the corner to get out into clear air. Stayed inside and hoped for luck  :sweat:

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« 2018-Oct-09, 09:20 AM Reply #686 »
I like the way Bowman rode her. Made it far more spine tingling.

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« 2018-Oct-09, 09:27 AM Reply #687 »
Of course it added to the theatre Auth, I just can't say it was one of his best.

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« 2018-Oct-09, 10:10 AM Reply #688 »
Gin,please, go and look again.
You are obviously thinking about the 450 to 400 mark entering the straight.
At that point Winx is catching him and is clearly several horses inside.
To drift so wide, then, would have been ridiculous and worthy of comment.
And achieved nothing.
Bowman knew he was at Flemington, on a horse that can boot anyone out of her way.
The gap we all seem to be worried about was nothing.
If Hugh had tried to be off the rails from the get go he would have been posted 3 wide the whole way, unless he pushed forward markedly....and would have been questioned about that.
No...he rode a ripper...the early sectionals were farcical, yet it was a well spread field....what does that tell us?
Why were the first 2, who walked, able to be well clear of the field?
Stewards should have questioned a few..particularly those who dictated the farce sit and Sprint.. Like those running 3rd 4th 5th etc.
What sort of race did it give us? Exciting, yes.
But if she went down by a nose having run 32.4 off a farcical pace,would there have been enquiry?
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« 2018-Oct-09, 06:49 PM Reply #689 »
Gin,please, go and look again.
You are obviously thinking about the 450 to 400 mark entering the straight.
At that point Winx is catching him and is clearly several horses inside.
To drift so wide, then, would have been ridiculous and worthy of comment.
And achieved nothing.
Bowman knew he was at Flemington, on a horse that can boot anyone out of her way.
The gap we all seem to be worried about was nothing.
If Hugh had tried to be off the rails from the get go he would have been posted 3 wide the whole way, unless he pushed forward markedly....and would have been questioned about that.
No...he rode a ripper...the early sectionals were farcical, yet it was a well spread field....what does that tell us?
Why were the first 2, who walked, able to be well clear of the field?
Stewards should have questioned a few..particularly those who dictated the farce sit and Sprint.. Like those running 3rd 4th 5th etc.
What sort of race did it give us? Exciting, yes.
But if she went down by a nose having run 32.4 off a farcical pace,would there have been enquiry?

Agree with shogun

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« 2018-Oct-09, 10:57 PM Reply #690 »
She is as good as ever...last 600 quicker than Caviars Lightning? FFS!

To be fair Caviar was being pulled up over the last 200m   :biggrin:

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« 2018-Oct-11, 10:30 PM Reply #691 »
To be fair Winx was faster by a length, and had run an extra 1000 metres first, and had to go around a bend.
  :biggrin:
Comparison is silly.
Winx was unbelievable.
I would rate what she did, with her average size, to be superior in a way.
Just my opinion.
Why?...read 1st sentence.

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« 2018-Oct-15, 06:01 AM Reply #692 »
You heard it here first!,

I will have a small bet on the Cox Plate on the basis of Winx being beaten.....

The signs I am relying upon are :-

1) Winx has in fact been challenged more closely lately  - not every time but more often

2) Bowman has seen the need to ride Winx differently

3) Waller has conceded that Winx's dominance won't stay the same as she ages

4) 4 Cox Plates not done yet by any horse

5) the goat track notorious for trouble

6) the betting edge or return will be huge relative to the outlay should Winx get beaten

Fours
« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-15, 06:11 AM by fours »

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« 2018-Oct-15, 06:48 AM Reply #693 »
#5 is the main concern

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« 2018-Oct-15, 09:54 AM Reply #694 »
You heard it here first!,

I will have a small bet on the Cox Plate on the basis of Winx being beaten.....

The signs I am relying upon are :-

1) Winx has in fact been challenged more closely lately  - not every time but more often

2) Bowman has seen the need to ride Winx differently

3) Waller has conceded that Winx's dominance won't stay the same as she ages

4) 4 Cox Plates not done yet by any horse

5) the goat track notorious for trouble

6) the betting edge or return will be huge relative to the outlay should Winx get beaten

Fours

What we want to "hear first" is who will be the winner   :lol:

We can all go on to Betfair and lay Winx but I have no intentions of visiting that graveyard.  :rip:

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« 2018-Oct-15, 10:10 AM Reply #695 »
PP7,

I am yet to lay a single horse... and it will stay that way. Taxation case law the driving force behind my decision.

In any case whatever other horse wins does not matter - I have this in common with jfc. The potential returns from exotic bets are far far far better than that offered by the win or lay pool in % terms.

PP7 you and most others may fret over who wins the race - I am completely and utterly relaxed on the issue.

Fours
ps I don't mind if Winx wins  - normally I simply don't bet on her races but this time around 'holding em' as per the gamblers song is worth it in terms of taking her on with a small bet.

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« 2018-Oct-15, 10:21 AM Reply #696 »

PP7 you and most others may fret over who wins the race - I am completely and utterly relaxed on the issue.


At $1.20 Winx I doubt if many are fretting over who wins the race. In fact most people would be considering which horse will run 2nd.

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« 2018-Oct-15, 11:31 AM Reply #697 »
To lay her on Betty, you will have to go to $1.28/ $1.33 . . . possibly longer

I'd be happy to lay her for a little bit @ $1.16/ $1.20 but not $1.30


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« 2018-Oct-15, 11:58 AM Reply #698 »
You heard it here first!,

I will have a small bet on the Cox Plate on the basis of Winx being beaten.....

The signs I am relying upon are :-

1) Winx has in fact been challenged more closely lately  - not every time but more often

2) Bowman has seen the need to ride Winx differently

3) Waller has conceded that Winx's dominance won't stay the same as she ages

4) 4 Cox Plates not done yet by any horse

5) the goat track notorious for trouble

6) the betting edge or return will be huge relative to the outlay should Winx get beaten

Fours
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« Last Edit: 2018-Oct-15, 03:14 PM by nemisis »

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« 2018-Oct-15, 08:07 PM Reply #699 »
1. She was challenged last start by circumstance, very questionable jockeys and stewards 're slow slow speed, but won hands n heels in world record type sectionals. Hmmm. Previous prep? A couple of scares for a couple of seconds! No I disagree sir.
2.When? How? Settle her near last, move her into race 800 to 500, let her increase tempo from 400...over. Same same.
3.When? Why? The team in fact are saying she is at her best now. Now. Stronger and as fast as ever ,and best of all , happy.
Irrelevant to Sat after next ,in the plate.
4. So? What did you write on the morning of Makybe' s 3rd cup?
5. The goat track is a place she loves. No evidence she will get in trouble. Even if she does, no evidence she towels it...she can pick herself up after trouble, as shown before.
6.The betting skews her way for obvious reasons. She does not know her odds and will simply run the fastest.
Watch the race, record it, and enjoy, I say. 8-)
Have a go at the first four.. :chin:
She wins by 4 lengths.
History. :no1:


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