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Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2019-Mar-05, 02:42 PM Reply #825 »
One of the great things about Winx's emergence as a champion is that Bernborough is no longer is mentioned in the same breath as Tulloch, Phar lap and Kingston Town.

Fair Dinkum!!
Longevity is a hallmark of a champion and nine and a half months does not qualify as "longevity" imho.

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« 2019-Mar-05, 05:19 PM Reply #826 »
Of course when you win so many yourself it makes it harder to have lots of other Group 1 winners running around.

I disagree with that. There have been some easy kills in softer G1s by some of the horses etc. If you look at some of her opponents, they have won G1s etc.

Accoriding to one article she has beaten 71 individual G1 winners. Surely that must be a record. I know in olden days there was a different grading system.

https://m.whitsundaytimes.com.au/news/winx-makes-it-30-in-a-row/3649666/
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« 2019-Mar-06, 12:08 AM Reply #827 »
I think she's amazing.

I probably won't be around but I do wonder in 25 years time if she will be in the Phar Lap/Tulloch list or the Ajax/Gloaming list.

I don't mean that to be a knock on her, I just wonder how she'll be viewed in hindsight.

I personally think that she is already the greatest. The calibre of horses she has beaten is beyond question. She even beat the great grey Chautauqua in the Ryder.

I hear/read people saying "she hasn't beat much" but I don't think that statement stands up to scrutiny. And as a backup to that statement people will often quote Red Excitement (selectively picking out one of the least performed runners she beat).

But the funny thing is when you look at her win over Red Excitement it was probably one of her finest.

At the 150m mark there is no way she is going to pick him up. This is some horse!!!


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« 2019-Mar-06, 05:38 AM Reply #828 »
I agree.   emthup  

They couldn't run unplaced five times at Toowoomba.


Before his feet were fixed.   :bulb:

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« 2019-Mar-06, 05:49 AM Reply #829 »
I personally think that she is already the greatest. The calibre of horses she has beaten is beyond question. She even beat the great grey Chautauqua in the Ryder.

I hear/read people saying "she hasn't beat much" but I don't think that statement stands up to scrutiny. And as a backup to that statement people will often quote Red Excitement (selectively picking out one of the least performed runners she beat).

But the funny thing is when you look at her win over Red Excitement it was probably one of her finest.

At the 150m mark there is no way she is going to pick him up. This is some horse!!!


I agree as she was off in her first two starts that campaign and certainly not at her best during that spring. Unfortunately some believe that she is not a great because of the margin etc over Red Excitment.

That campaign showed her greatness as unlike many, many other horses she still managed to win even though not at her best.


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« 2019-Mar-06, 08:45 AM Reply #830 »
Jeunes, I've never heard anyone say she's not a "great"

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« 2019-Mar-06, 12:11 PM Reply #831 »
Jeunes, I've never heard anyone say she's not a "great"

Apologies, my version of great comparing to the big 3. Should have expanded on this.

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« 2019-Mar-06, 12:28 PM Reply #832 »
As you said earlier, its so hard to compare eras. Especially when they dont over lap.
My head tells me shes in the top 4 but not my heart, Im afraid.

Ive got no doubt that, on their day,  my top 10 could beat each other in a given race. I guess it comes down to our individual preferences of what we consider that makes our champions

Actually, there was a whole thread devoted to that

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« 2019-Mar-06, 01:39 PM Reply #833 »
I think she should be rated up there with anything since Phar Lap.

To say she's the best since Phar Lap is arguable considering how circumstances have swung so heavily in favour of mares in the last few years and she's been fortunate to end up in the stable of Chris Waller and be ridden by a jockey who has never panicked and taken her out of her comfort zone too early in the run home.

Basically the perfect storm for a great mare.

Sorry PP with respect I don't think the win over Chataqua meant much, it was 1500 metres in a time of 1.34 + on a heavy 10,  effectively it only proved that she was a better miler than Chataqua and he was also beaten by Le Romain.

I would  rate her the best 2000 metre horse in history, people could argue how she would go against Tulloch or whether she would beat Kingston Town on a right handed track but in the end she is the horse that won 4 Cox plates and among those 4 wins were 2 track records and a record winning margin.





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« 2019-Mar-06, 02:19 PM Reply #834 »
but not my heart, Im afraid.


I've got no idea why that would be. :what:

If she was owned  by a Joe Janiack type rather than by people with oodles of dough I wonder whether that would change things.

The fact that she is owned by people who don't need a quid, and that racing is important to them, probably means that she has been left racing longer than what otherwise might have been.   
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« 2019-Mar-06, 04:14 PM Reply #835 »
Jwh, that may have something to do with it.

Also, i suspect its cuz i know as a 3yo First Seal was much better so that may have had an impact as to why I haven't warmed to her.

Finally, if she was mine I probably would have raced her a lot differently.

All of which doesnt matter as shes a great horse   :lol:

Mind you I do find myself cheering her on

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« 2019-Mar-23, 02:45 PM Reply #836 »
Not a bad mare this

Goes into my blackbook

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« 2019-Mar-23, 05:16 PM Reply #837 »
She could have carried Bowman and The Autumn Sun and still won. 

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« 2019-Mar-23, 05:31 PM Reply #838 »
Winx needs some pressure put on her.  After I demoted Buena Vista due to a miscalculation converting UAE USD prizemoney this is where she stands from an earnings point of view after today's win.

1   Orfevre (JPN) 2008   1st   USD 18,988,823      GBP 11,880,602      EUR 14,088,082      AUD 18,869,240
2   Gentildonna (JPN) 2009 (mare)   2nd   USD 18,481,223      GBP 11,569,967      EUR 14,158,606      AUD 19,256,471
3   Winx (AUS) 2011 as of 23 March 2019   3rd   USD 18,017,408   2nd   GBP 13,368,032   3rd   EUR 15,791,069   2nd   AUD 24,016,675
4   Arrogate (USA) 2013   4th   USD 17,422,600   1st   GBP 13,877,428   2nd   EUR 16,092,160   3rd   AUD 22,934,751
5   Buena Vista (JPN) 2006 (mare)      USD 17,051,308      GBP 11,030,033      EUR 12,652,283      AUD 19,232,861
6   Kitasan Black (JPN) 2012      USD 16,554,365   3rd   GBP 12,375,699      EUR 14,890,504      AUD 22,020,066
7   T M Opera O (JPN) 1996      USD 16,252,573      GBP 10,881,316   1st   EUR 17,679,578   1st   AUD 29,003,944
8   Gun Runner (USA) 2013      USD 15,988,500      GBP 11,808,858      EUR 13,583,603      AUD 20,397,996

Assuming the Queen Elizabeth Stakes prizemoney is exactly the same as last year and the foreign currency rates are about the same as this week then these will be near enough to her her figures when she wins:

1st   USD 19,745,903   1st   GBP 14,682,662   2nd   EUR 17,300,459   2nd   AUD 26,451,175

She will be number 1 in USD which is the only number that really counts. 

Cheers


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« 2019-Mar-23, 05:50 PM Reply #839 »
JWH,

Think she needs a another run - not sure we have seen what she can do yet...

Fours

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« 2019-Mar-24, 10:16 AM Reply #840 »
Surely a chance in the Cox Plate 2019!  :lol:

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« 2019-Mar-24, 10:33 AM Reply #841 »
Did we see the horse yesterday that might serve it up to her  :chin:

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« 2019-Mar-24, 01:46 PM Reply #842 »
Avillus?

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« 2019-Mar-24, 05:33 PM Reply #843 »
Was an excellent run yesterday but he had his chance against her and came up short. 

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« 2019-Apr-01, 09:01 AM Reply #844 »

Classic combination Vogue cover picture Winx with model Nya Leth  Picture by justin Ridler





Giddy Up :beer:


Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2019-Apr-01, 09:40 PM Reply #845 »
I tell you what.
A nice dark dusky brown lady with such nice legs, and that beautiful beautiful rear end, and..ahem..that sculpted, full.. shall we say ...chest..well when I see her... it really really gets me going.
The model looks like a nice person as well.

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« 2019-Apr-08, 10:46 AM Reply #846 »
An excellent article by Max Presnell on the mare in this morning's SMH.

It could be a good session on Sky at 7.30pm this evening.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Apr-08, 02:56 PM Reply #847 »


.......does the cup runneth over

The superlative performances of Sunline, Makybe Diva, Black Caviar and the other one --  mature mares running on for years -- will surely call into question the 2kg allowance they get running against other horses.

If things look too good to be true there is usually a reason -- that's a knock on the system not on the mare .


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« 2019-Apr-10, 09:51 PM Reply #849 »

.......does the cup runneth over

The superlative performances of Sunline, Makybe Diva, Black Caviar and the other one --  mature mares running on for years -- will surely call into question the 2kg allowance they get running against other horses.

If things look too good to be true there is usually a reason -- that's a knock on the system not on the mare .

Pete, what about the other mares who competed in WFA races than the ones you mentioned? How did they go compared to the 4 you named?


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