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Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2019-Mar-05, 02:42 PM Reply #825 »
One of the great things about Winx's emergence as a champion is that Bernborough is no longer is mentioned in the same breath as Tulloch, Phar lap and Kingston Town.

Fair Dinkum!!
Longevity is a hallmark of a champion and nine and a half months does not qualify as "longevity" imho.

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« 2019-Mar-05, 05:19 PM Reply #826 »
Of course when you win so many yourself it makes it harder to have lots of other Group 1 winners running around.

I disagree with that. There have been some easy kills in softer G1s by some of the horses etc. If you look at some of her opponents, they have won G1s etc.

Accoriding to one article she has beaten 71 individual G1 winners. Surely that must be a record. I know in olden days there was a different grading system.

https://m.whitsundaytimes.com.au/news/winx-makes-it-30-in-a-row/3649666/
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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2019-Mar-06, 12:08 AM Reply #827 »
I think she's amazing.

I probably won't be around but I do wonder in 25 years time if she will be in the Phar Lap/Tulloch list or the Ajax/Gloaming list.

I don't mean that to be a knock on her, I just wonder how she'll be viewed in hindsight.

I personally think that she is already the greatest. The calibre of horses she has beaten is beyond question. She even beat the great grey Chautauqua in the Ryder.

I hear/read people saying "she hasn't beat much" but I don't think that statement stands up to scrutiny. And as a backup to that statement people will often quote Red Excitement (selectively picking out one of the least performed runners she beat).

But the funny thing is when you look at her win over Red Excitement it was probably one of her finest.

At the 150m mark there is no way she is going to pick him up. This is some horse!!!


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« 2019-Mar-06, 05:38 AM Reply #828 »
I agree.   emthup  

They couldn't run unplaced five times at Toowoomba.


Before his feet were fixed.   :bulb:

Offline Jeunes

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« 2019-Mar-06, 05:49 AM Reply #829 »
I personally think that she is already the greatest. The calibre of horses she has beaten is beyond question. She even beat the great grey Chautauqua in the Ryder.

I hear/read people saying "she hasn't beat much" but I don't think that statement stands up to scrutiny. And as a backup to that statement people will often quote Red Excitement (selectively picking out one of the least performed runners she beat).

But the funny thing is when you look at her win over Red Excitement it was probably one of her finest.

At the 150m mark there is no way she is going to pick him up. This is some horse!!!


I agree as she was off in her first two starts that campaign and certainly not at her best during that spring. Unfortunately some believe that she is not a great because of the margin etc over Red Excitment.

That campaign showed her greatness as unlike many, many other horses she still managed to win even though not at her best.


Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Mar-06, 08:45 AM Reply #830 »
Jeunes, I've never heard anyone say she's not a "great"

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« 2019-Mar-06, 12:11 PM Reply #831 »
Jeunes, I've never heard anyone say she's not a "great"

Apologies, my version of great comparing to the big 3. Should have expanded on this.

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« 2019-Mar-06, 12:28 PM Reply #832 »
As you said earlier, its so hard to compare eras. Especially when they dont over lap.
My head tells me shes in the top 4 but not my heart, Im afraid.

Ive got no doubt that, on their day,  my top 10 could beat each other in a given race. I guess it comes down to our individual preferences of what we consider that makes our champions

Actually, there was a whole thread devoted to that

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« 2019-Mar-06, 01:39 PM Reply #833 »
I think she should be rated up there with anything since Phar Lap.

To say she's the best since Phar Lap is arguable considering how circumstances have swung so heavily in favour of mares in the last few years and she's been fortunate to end up in the stable of Chris Waller and be ridden by a jockey who has never panicked and taken her out of her comfort zone too early in the run home.

Basically the perfect storm for a great mare.

Sorry PP with respect I don't think the win over Chataqua meant much, it was 1500 metres in a time of 1.34 + on a heavy 10,  effectively it only proved that she was a better miler than Chataqua and he was also beaten by Le Romain.

I would  rate her the best 2000 metre horse in history, people could argue how she would go against Tulloch or whether she would beat Kingston Town on a right handed track but in the end she is the horse that won 4 Cox plates and among those 4 wins were 2 track records and a record winning margin.





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« 2019-Mar-06, 02:19 PM Reply #834 »
but not my heart, Im afraid.


I've got no idea why that would be. :what:

If she was owned  by a Joe Janiack type rather than by people with oodles of dough I wonder whether that would change things.

The fact that she is owned by people who don't need a quid, and that racing is important to them, probably means that she has been left racing longer than what otherwise might have been.   
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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Mar-06, 04:14 PM Reply #835 »
Jwh, that may have something to do with it.

Also, i suspect its cuz i know as a 3yo First Seal was much better so that may have had an impact as to why I haven't warmed to her.

Finally, if she was mine I probably would have raced her a lot differently.

All of which doesnt matter as shes a great horse   :lol:

Mind you I do find myself cheering her on


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