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Offline gunbower

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« 2019-Apr-10, 10:08 PM Reply #850 »
The answer why mares have become much more dominant can be linked to anabolic steroids. Sure they were meant to be used on mares but since they have been outlawed mares have become much more to the fore. Suggests to me that geldings are missing them much more than we were led to believe.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Apr-11, 08:01 AM Reply #851 »


There is something going on ..........

-- problem is the WFA scale, and the allowances for mares, has been in place for a very long time.

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« 2019-Apr-11, 08:23 AM Reply #852 »
Yes, I fail to see why a mare should be getting a weight allowance

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Apr-11, 10:12 PM Reply #853 »

.............. the Winx cup is still running over

The pundits are now turning their mind to her being joined to the 'best in the world' and breeding a champion.

As far as I know the progeny of Sunline, Makybe Diva and Black Caviar have not lived up to the hype.

There must be some with a bit of breeding expertise who can temper if not defuse this speculation.


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« 2019-Apr-12, 10:05 AM Reply #854 »
Did we see the horse yesterday that might serve it up to her  :chin:

Avillus?

No He's Eminent  :sweat:


Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2019-Apr-13, 12:15 PM Reply #855 »
Go girl.

Offline Shogun Lodge

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« 2019-Apr-13, 01:41 PM Reply #856 »
God, I'm not up for this. :no:
Just saw her, so so  relaxed in the barn...Umut gives her a kiss, just above her offside eye...she nuzzles him back, ever so slightly, she is in love.
Completely ready is she...calm..smouldering...he scratches her between the eyes, in slow motion...
800 miles north, alone on a lounge, I burst into tears...  :noteworthy:
I never thought I'd love one more than Makybe..but wow...this day surpasses any.
Let her rip Hugh.  emthup

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« 2019-Apr-13, 01:46 PM Reply #857 »
Oh come on Shogun,

First Seal beat this slow poke 5 times!

Fours
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« 2019-Apr-13, 01:50 PM Reply #858 »
Funny guy! :bleh:

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« 2019-Apr-13, 02:55 PM Reply #859 »
Doubt you'll ever be able to get 250/1  300/1 the last start Australian Cup winner in the Queen Elizabeth a month later ever again.   :lol:
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« 2019-Apr-13, 02:59 PM Reply #860 »
The real fairy tale would be Happy Clapper rolls her today ... had my $1 on Betfair at $100.   :biggrin:

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« 2019-Apr-13, 03:20 PM Reply #861 »
Wins in a canter and then gives Hugh a headbutt.


That's arrogance!




Offline JWesleyHarding

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« 2019-Apr-13, 04:03 PM Reply #862 »
The real fairy tale would be Happy Clapper rolls her today ...

 :mad:

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« 2019-Apr-13, 04:20 PM Reply #863 »
The only time I agree with you Cocky. 


Some people have no sense of occasion. 

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« 2019-Apr-13, 05:08 PM Reply #864 »
Bowman makes the first mistake in their partnership by trying to kiss her before she was comfortable and she gives him a headbutt and a fat lip.

Where's the gratitude girl?

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« 2019-Apr-13, 05:14 PM Reply #865 »
If you got the chance to headbutt someone who has been slapping you with a piece of leather


for four odd years you'd take it.


Or maybe not  .................   ?   :shrug:

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« 2019-Apr-13, 06:46 PM Reply #866 »
If you got the chance to headbutt someone who has been slapping you with a piece of leather


for four odd years you'd take it.


Or maybe not  .................   ?   :shrug:

She had the last laugh with Hughie.

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« 2019-Apr-13, 07:03 PM Reply #867 »
Today's Winning Post wraparound wall photo declared her the greatest which was a huge call considering there must have been about a 6% (SP $1.06) chance she would be beaten.  And for those who whinge about the Admiral Rous WFA scale do they think fillies and mares races should be abolished and along with allowances for 2 and 3YOs.  I think part of the blame is the fragility of the modern horse.  The Americans were still running 4 mile races long after the rest of the world cut them out. European and North American horses are a bunch of sooks.  Add to that the push to get good colts/horses to stud as soon as they injure themselves or risk a loss to the next big thing - and no better case is The Autumn Sun who never raced in open company. 

Cheers

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« 2019-Apr-15, 08:42 AM Reply #868 »
To quote a couple of letters in today's press...

"Best middle distance horse ever in Australia, like Black Caviar the best sprinter. But to me the greatest horse needs to win beyond 10 furlongs "..David D

"Do not understand how people canít put Winx in perspective. Amazing horse for her time. Opposition in past five years were just not up to it. But you can only beat the few willing to challenge. Have a great retirement now, Winx". Chris

" Did not watch the race and to compare her with Phar Lap is like comparing Cathy Freeman to Steve Moneghetti. Phar Lap won four races during the 1930 Melbourne Cup week including the Cup". Robert

"Did not make the news in London nor was it telecast. So much for around the world." Andrew

Personally I would agree Winx is probably the greatest middle distance horse ever in Australia, but in my eyes Phar Lap is the greatest horse. To highlight one period in  Phar Lap's racing career one only has to look at what he did in the Spring of 1930.

25 October.   Won Cox Plate WFA
1 November. Won Melbourne Stakes WFA .. on morning of race an attempt was made to shoot the horse
4 November .Won Melbourne Cup..carried 9 st 12 lb ( 62.6 kg )
6 November. Won Linlithgow Stakes WFA
8 November .Won CB Fisher Plate WFA

With in 14 days Phar Lap won 5 races, could Winx have done anything like that in 14 days ?
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« 2019-Apr-15, 01:09 PM Reply #869 »
Not knocking Par Lap but Carbine's record in the 1890 Sydney Autumn carnival reads -

1st  5th April    Autumn stakes

!st  7th  April   Sydney Cup  ( 61.3 kg )

1st 10th April  All aged Stakes

1st 10th April    ( not a typo )  Cumberland stakes

1st 12 April   AJC Plate



4th of November  1890  - 1st Melbourne Cup    with 66 kgs in a 39 horse field with a hoof injury, - broke the track record and was pulling away from the field at the end.









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« 2019-Apr-15, 01:33 PM Reply #870 »
I'll see both Phar Lap's and Carbine's efforts and raise with Rising Fast's

1st   13-Oct-54      Caulfield Stakes
1st   16-Oct-54      Caulfield Cup
1st   23-Oct-54      W S Cox Plate
1st   30-Oct-54      Mackinnon Stakes
1st   02-Nov-54      Melbourne Cup
1st   06-Nov-54      Fisher Plate

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« 2019-Apr-15, 03:24 PM Reply #871 »
Once I took an interest in racing I always thought in the history of Australian racing the sequence of champions went Carbine, Phar Lap, Tulloch, with Phar Lap marginally ahead.Now I suppose Winx sits well within that group, but it is all a matter of opinion, which can never be resolved. Omitting horses such as Benborough, Rising Fast, Kingston Town and even Black Cavier maybe harsh but where do you drawn the line, although Black Caviar, whilst not the greatest horse, is clearly the best sprinter.
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« 2019-Apr-15, 05:35 PM Reply #872 »
I generally think that one should wait a few years following an athlete's retirement before assessing that athlete's place in history but I'll say now I think that she is now  :no1:

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« 2019-Apr-15, 05:48 PM Reply #873 »
Agree there, JWH. Some like Bradman transcend the need for reflection.

Winx is up there with Secretariat and Frankel in my time as immediate legends.

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2019-Apr-15, 06:49 PM Reply #874 »


A lot of history is still to flow

Momentarily the industry is being winxed -- overflowing superlatives when the case for a rule change is building, confident predictions of priceless progeny and stunning performances -- and even an opportunistic proposal  to double the 'on course' capacity of Randwick about to be un-royaled.

...... it is beyond comprehension that racing administrators want 'record attendances' and will even give away free tickets to bolster 'attendance' numbers.

Get the message   -- technology changed the game -- sensible gamblers will not go to the races to not enjoy the day -- social-eventers seem to be the target market and the racing is  of scant relevance.



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