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Offline Antitab#

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« 2010-Feb-14, 10:09 AM Reply #25 »
Sorry I should have changed the quote name.

As I have mentioned previously I have worked for him for over 6 years and all though I have never met him or seen him it is good work.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 10:45 AM Reply #26 »
Anitab wrote..
"As I have mentioned previously I have worked for him for over 6 years and all though I have never met him or seen him it is good work."

Bit like the CEO of BHP Billiton has not meet the Victorian Sales Director  :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:  

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« 2010-Feb-14, 10:52 AM Reply #27 »
I don't really want to squander a lot of valuable information that took me considerable effort to compile.

Broadly, UNiTAB is now marginally better than Supertab but still way behind NSW.

This is a recent development. Previously UNiTAB's kickback regime made it the worst for the proletariat.

But the Tasmanian stunt means that it is now the kickback capital. Hence the worst.


The reason I asked is because Unitab is giving some people 11% rebates through their "offshore" associates.  The biggest loser in that arrangement is the qld racing industry which gets zero product fees from so-called international customers.  The harness industry in qld is on to the rort.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 11:15 AM Reply #28 »
The reason I asked is because Unitab is giving some people 11% rebates through their "offshore" associates.  The biggest loser in that arrangement is the qld racing industry which gets zero product fees from so-called international customers.  The harness industry in qld is on to the rort.

Without pretending to justify or even understand the UNiTAB arrangement, I believe a key difference is the UNiTAB offers are available to far, far more people than the very few that enjoy the Tasmanian or Tabcorp privileges.

I believe those deals are so severely structured that literally(?) only a handful of Australian outfits could qualify for meaningful benefits.

Leaving that handful to control the market.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 11:51 AM Reply #29 »
I very much doubt that Zeljko Ranogajec and his syndicate make any money out of their betting part of their operations on the Australian TABs these day, If they do still play, they are more likely to just play for the kickbacks. The landscape of the Australian TABs has changed considerably in recent years, because of corporate bookmakers betting tote odds. Stability of tote dividends is long gone.

I have been reliably informed that Antitab used to do the form for Jeljko on the American races, but no longer works for them as they have given up betting on the American races.

Who was the idiot who suggested Jeljko had $250,000 on So You Think in the Cox Plate at average odds of $10.00, when $15.00 was available with bookmakers. Winning at the races is really about securing best odds.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 11:55 AM Reply #30 »
Why would tabcorp give him 2 floors in their building if he wasn't turning over a fortune on Australian racing?
You are kidding.He bets everywhere.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 12:30 PM Reply #31 »
Dragons

Don't believe everything you read or hear, do the maths.

Every horse in every race at some point during betting is at a better price with Bookmakers or Betfair than the best closing price on the three totes, so where is the advantage in win betting on the TABs. As for exotics, Trifecta and Quinella pools have been in decline for many years. Also Quinella and Trifecta dividends generally reflect the closing totes on each TAB, resulting in no real value there anymore.


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« 2010-Feb-14, 12:42 PM Reply #32 »
Aussie please.
I know what i am talking about, he is getting rebates off the Tab's and if you are refuting what he does you have no idea of the facts.
In fact many pros i know now just want to turnover x amount and are even happy to break square and get the 6% rebate which many pros consider as a reasonable figure.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 12:48 PM Reply #33 »
Dragons

Why would tabcorp give him 2 floors in their building.

Why would Jeljko need two floors in their building, all it would take to place a bet(s) would be a push of a button on a computer, that's doing the maths.

Dragon, your appear to agree with me, he not winning on the punting, just living off the turnover kickbacks.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 12:59 PM Reply #34 »
Aussie he needs two floors at tabcorp because he employs a large number of video watchers and form analysts who are doing videos from all over the world.
I never said he wasn't winning but the rebates are an added incentive.
You telling me you wouldn't like 6% kickback on turnover regardless if you are winning or breaking square.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you don't know he has got two floors at tabcorp.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 01:09 PM Reply #35 »
ok we get it. you all know everything their is to know about this secretive man and you all have big penises.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 01:14 PM Reply #36 »
ok we get it. you all know everything their is to know about this secretive man and you all have big penises.
 :lol:

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« 2010-Feb-14, 01:48 PM Reply #37 »
What surprises me is he does his betting on form.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 02:32 PM Reply #38 »
I very much doubt that Zeljko Ranogajec and his syndicate make any money out of their betting part of their operations on the Australian TABs these day, If they do still play, they are more likely to just play for the kickbacks. The landscape of the Australian TABs has changed considerably in recent years, because of corporate bookmakers betting tote odds. Stability of tote dividends is long gone.

I have been reliably informed that Antitab used to do the form for Jeljko on the American races, but no longer works for them as they have given up betting on the American races.

Who was the idiot who suggested Jeljko had $250,000 on So You Think in the Cox Plate at average odds of $10.00, when $15.00 was available with bookmakers. Winning at the races is really about securing best odds.

Pretty unlikely  that any of the corporates would let him on, isn't it ?

At a guess, I'd say he's barred everywhere and can only get on at Betfair or the TAB's.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 02:58 PM Reply #39 »

My records show a sobering trend, culminating in these figures for ~7,000 winning Tabcorp divs in 2009:

$8.15 NSW
$7.99 Vic

The 2% underperformance in Victoria is significant, and enough to change go to whoa for sharp punters. And obviously related to the mind-boggling Tasmanian kickbacks.


JFC, Are these win only or exotics as well? Would the exotics be even worse?

I think the article is fairly accurate (or a different version with Murdoch inc.) As it says they have the top floor of the "fox sports" building and they still do US racing. Not sure who owns the "tabcorp" building.
 

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« 2010-Feb-14, 03:16 PM Reply #40 »
JFC, Are these win only or exotics as well? Would the exotics be even worse?

I think the article is fairly accurate (or a different version with Murdoch inc.) As it says they have the top floor of the "fox sports" building and they still do US racing. Not sure who owns the "tabcorp" building.
 

Those figures are just for the Win.

I'm not in a position to provide detailed figures for Exotics, but as a considered rule of thumb:

You should find either that NSW overperforms in certain Exotics, or matches Vic in others.

But Victoria never outperforms NSW!

So anyone taking them on Supertab should consider switching to NSW.

I don't detect any glaring inaccuracies in the article - apart from suggesting the kickback not exceeding 4%. The problem is the glaring omissions that could have been rectified with basic googling.

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« 2010-Feb-14, 07:05 PM Reply #41 »
jfc

have you done any analysis of multis / exotics - NSW vs VIC

i get the feeling that the quaddies are still better on VicTab ?

agree though that Z is a rebates guy on auusie racing - is happy to beak even on the punt on UniTab (via Vanuatu and Norfolk Island) and via Tassie on VicTab

Z is still a major player in HK and Japan also  where its a bit tougher - you need to get your figures right in those jusrisdictions

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« 2010-Feb-14, 07:46 PM Reply #42 »
Wasn't he originally partners with Alan Woods?   I heard they went there separate ways a long time ago.  Should have got easier since AW passed away.

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« 2010-Feb-15, 04:34 AM Reply #43 »
jfc

have you done any analysis of multis / exotics - NSW vs VIC

i get the feeling that the quaddies are still better on VicTab ?

agree though that Z is a rebates guy on auusie racing - is happy to beak even on the punt on UniTab (via Vanuatu and Norfolk Island) and via Tassie on VicTab

Z is still a major player in HK and Japan also  where its a bit tougher - you need to get your figures right in those jusrisdictions

Apparently some crossed lines, as I thought I'd just addressed the Exotics question.

But if you review my CHITEST() figures along with the frequencies offered by Greg, this should reveal a certain pattern.

It appears that someone with high-speed last-second access (not to mention) kickbacks is orchestrating the pools so as to optimise kickback-adjusted returns.

If they go to that much trouble to not leave a crumb for anyone else, it is naive to imagine they would leave a backdoor for us mugs via Exotics.

Note however that Tasmania does not mingle into every Supertab pool, so that's a further factor to consider.

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« 2010-Feb-15, 06:09 AM Reply #44 »

I have been reliably informed that Antitab used to do the form for Jeljko on the American races, but no longer works for them as they have given up betting on the American races.



You must have the wrong guy. Dont do American races and still employed unless you know something I dont.

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« 2010-Feb-15, 07:29 AM Reply #45 »
Wasn't he originally partners with Alan Woods?   I heard they went there separate ways a long time ago.  Should have got easier since AW passed away.

Woods informed us all that his health issues left him unable to leave his penthouse for more than a few hours. Then he mentioned operating in 50 countries. Suggesting he was in cahoots with someone.

Maybe there are actually two outfits cutting each others' throats in 50 countries, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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« 2010-Feb-15, 08:01 AM Reply #46 »
Was Alan Woods eraser on the old forum ?

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« 2010-Feb-15, 08:43 AM Reply #47 »
no

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« 2010-Feb-15, 08:55 AM Reply #48 »
Entropy

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« 2010-Feb-15, 09:00 AM Reply #49 »
I don't really want to squander a lot of valuable information that took me considerable effort to compile.

Broadly, UNiTAB is now marginally better than Supertab but still way behind NSW.

This is a recent development. Previously UNiTAB's kickback regime made it the worst for the proletariat.

But the Tasmanian stunt means that it is now the kickback capital. Hence the worst.


Hi JFC

I have just sent you a private message.

Cheers


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