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Sports Talk / The Pride of the League
« Last post by JWesleyHarding on 35 minutes ago »
Sam is an established Superstar but how good is Cameron Murray?  :noteworthy:

Plays about 20kgs above his weight.

How good is Cameron Murray?
Racing Talk / TAB internet 'disconnects'
« Last post by arthur on 2 hours ago »
Looks like you have joined the ranks of the 'restricted' punters . . Congratulations

Have you been on a winning trot lately?
« Last post by jfc on 2 hours ago »
I'd venture the perps who concocted the O&E must get sick in the gut whenever an O&E fails to pay a dividend. Because such NoPays are a stark testament to its unpopularity.

In that case imagine how they must feel after the dogs yesterday - a Saturday!

From 75 races there were 23 NoPays!

Even at Wentworth Park and Bulli!

$3696.70 for the Merged Pool at WP1 yet nothing on the Favourite O&E.

And for good measure look at R10 where the O&E paid $1.00!

Wonder how much those 2 girls from the incessant O&E ads were jumping for joy!

5 The Gardens
1 Bulli
1 Wentworth Park
3 The Meadows
3 Bendigo
3 Ipswich
7 Cannington

International Racing / Pacific Ocean
« Last post by j.r.b. on 8 hours ago »
Russian Emperor a very encouraging 3rd, beaten about 2 lengths by a more fancied stablemate.
« Last post by Peter Mair on 2019-Jul-20, 08:13 PM  »

Transparency on 'glitches'

...... there may be an explanation ......... we should have it.

Erratic dividends do play into the marketing hands of  tabcorp -- they create the illusion of 'big payouts at random'
Racing Talk / TAB internet 'disconnects'
« Last post by Peter Mair on 2019-Jul-20, 08:09 PM  »

TAB internet 'disconnects'

On a few occasions today 'loaded bets'  did not submit to 'submit' and were aborted. mainly affected bets placed close to the jump.

Different computers and search engines were involved and the problems were across early and late races in NSW and Victoria.

.... was there a general problem ....or just   'local' for myself?
International Racing / Pacific Ocean
« Last post by j.r.b. on 2019-Jul-20, 04:48 PM  »
2yo brother Russian Emperor debuts at the Curragh in the opener on Oaks day tonight.
Sports Talk / GOLF
« Last post by JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jul-20, 01:49 PM  »
Dunno about anyone else but my head's spinning, tim.
Jockey / Worst Ride Of The Day Or Ever
« Last post by Jeunes on 2019-Jul-20, 01:27 PM  »
Race 4 Sydney Velocitea. Lovely ride by Shinn not to push out where the winners have been coming especially as the horse outside was starting to tire. Kept trying to find runners on the inside when the horses in front were shifting in.
Racing Talk / Race Records of International Champions
« Last post by timw on 2019-Jul-20, 11:14 AM  »
Triptych (USA) 1982                                       
Bay mare                                       
Riverman (USA) 1969 (Never Bend (USA) 1960) - Trillion (USA) 1974 (Hail to Reason (USA) 1958)                                       
Countries raced: France, Ireland, Great Britain, Canada, USA, Japan                                       
41 starts, 14 wins (9 x G1), 5 seconds, 11 thirds.  Win % 34.1, Place % 73.2.                                         
At it states 41 starts, 14 wins, 19 seconds, 8 thirds so placings are clearly wrong.                                        
Triptych started 15 times in races of 2400m+ for 3 wins (2 x G1), 1 second and 6 thirds.  She had 26 starts at 2112m or less for 11 wins (7 x G1).                                       
France earnings in French francs (FRF)   FRF 2,959,000                                    
Ireland earnings in Irish pounds (IEP)   IEP 455,048.40                                    
England earnings in British pounds (GBP)^   GBP 687,930.07                                     
Canada earnings in Canadian dollars (CAD)    CAD 66,000.00                                    
United States earnings in USD   USD 170,000                                    
Japan earnings in Japanase yen (JPY)   JPY 29,079,800                                    
^ I have found win and place prizemoney for all races except for her second and third places in the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Diamond Stakes of 1986 and 1987.  I have taken the france-galop euro win prize and the GBP win prize to work out a notional euro to GBP exchange rate and applied that rate to the france-galop euro place prize to work out her GBP place money for those races.  I tested the methodology on known results and it seems to be accurate within a few pounds so unless there is a typo somewhere the GBP earnings will only be out by a few pounds at most.                                         
Worldwide earnings in United States dollars (USD)*   USD 2,557,387.84                                    
Worldwide earnings in United Kingdom pounds (GBP)*   GBP 1,635,713.82                                    
Worldwide earnings in Australian dollars (AUD)*   AUD 3,632,293.28                                    
Worldwide earnings in French francs (FRF)*   FRF 16,689,216                                    
Worldwide earnings in Japanese yen (JPY)*   JPY 397,049,943                                    
* Based on Reserve Bank of Australia ( daily exchange rates as published for the date of the race or the previous trading day if the date falls on a non-trading day except for the conversion of Irish pounds which is the average of the spot pound close rate for IEP to GBP published in the Financial Times (London) on the race date, if a trading day, or the immediately proceeding trading day, as the RBA did not publish an IEP to AUD rate at that time.  The GBP equivalent sum to the IEP amount is the converted to other currencies using RBA rates.                                       
I have calculated Triptych's notional euro mearnings as EUR 2,544,255 (FRF 16,689,216 /6.55957) which is close to france-galop's notional euro earnings of EUR 2,573,822.                                       
The Times (London) of 19 October 1987 states that after her Champion Stakes win on 17 October 1987 Triptych became the leading European trained money winner winning over GBP 1.3 million.  I have calculated her career earnings after that win as GBP 1,302,721.53 which includes USD 30,000 (GBP 21,331.78) won in the USA. The Times seems to have ignored All Along (FR) 1979 who won over GBP 2,000,000 and she was trained by Patrick Biancone who trained Triptych for most of her career.  Triptych had earned more in Europe than All Along and any other horse before her and perhaps this is the point The Times was making to give the The Times writer Michael Seely the benefit of the doubt.                                         
As both Michael Seely of The Times and myself agree that Triptych had won more than GBP 1.3 million after her win in the Champion Stakes on 17 October 1987 I don't think there is any doubt that both wikipedia and equibase earnings figures are 'up the creek'.                                       
 '' has her career earnings as $1,873,781 in UK only. Assuming this is a reference to USD my USD total for UK earnings is USD 1,077,810.98.  Assuming the Republic of Ireland is still part of the UK then my combined British and Irish earnings in USD is USD 1,675,631.88. If I include France so that it covers all European earnings the total is over USD 2,100,000.                                         
Sources of information include The Times, The Sunday Times, The Financial Times, Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph (all UK), Irish Independent, Sunday Independent and Evening Herald (all IRE), American Racing Manual, france-galop,, racing,,,,, and                                       
RACING RECORD                                       
Prizemoney earned appears at the end of each race record in local currency and where it is estimated 'est.' will appear.                                       
TWO YEARS: 1984  Starts 3: 2-1-0-0                                        
1st-8   18/08/1984.    'enc' x 6L   Deauville, Normandy, FRANCE   Prix des Marettes      1600m.      56kg   1.45.30.   Assez Souple,    Silvermine (FR) 56 2nd   Flushing Meadow (USA) 56 3rd   FRF 70,000.00
2nd-7   12/09/1984.    'nez' x 6L   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   Prix d'Aumale      1600m.      55kg   1.44.00.   Souple,    Coup de Folie (USA) 55 1st   Antartica (FR) 55 3rd   FRF 64,000.00
1st-9   7/10/1984.   4L x 5L   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   Prix Marcel Boussac-Criterium des Pouliches (G1)      1600m.      55kg   1.46.70.   Collant,    Silvermine (FR) 55 2nd   Coup de Folie (USA) 55 3rd   FRF 300,000.00
THREE YEARS: 1985  Starts 9: 2-1-2-4                                        
1st-9   20/04/1985.   0.75L x 2.5L   Phoenix Park, Dublin, IRELAND   North Ridge Farm One Thousand Guineas Trial Stakes   7f.   1408m.   8.12.   56kg   1.28.3.   Yielding to Soft, 1/3F.   Burning Issue (GB) 8.7 50/1 2nd   It's A Mitsubishi (FR) 8.7 33/1 3rd   IEP 14,318.40
7th-17   2/05/1985.   Sht hd x sht hd   Newmarket, Suffolk, UK   General Accident 1000 Guineas Stakes   8f.   1609m.   9.0.   57kg   1.36.85.   Good to Firm, 6/1.   Oh So Sharp (IRE) 9.0 2/1F 1st   Al Bahathri (USA) 9.0 11/1 2nd   GBP 0.00
1st-16   18/05/1985.   2.5L x 2.5L   The Curragh, Co Kildare, IRELAND   Airlie Coolmore Irish Two Thousand Guineas (G1)   8f.   1609m.   8.11.   56kg   1.42.90.   Soft, 7/1.   Celestial Bounty 9.0 (IRE) 6/1 2nd   Sun Valley (IRE) 9.0 25/1 3rd   IEP 103,230.00
5th-15   25/05/1985.   0.75L x sht hd x 4L x 3L   The Curragh, Co Kildare, IRELAND   Goffs Irish One Thousand Guineas   8f.   1609m.   9.0.   57kg   1.45.30.   Good to Soft, 7/4F.   Al Bahathri (USA) 9.0 7/1 1st   Vilakaia (USA) 9.0 7/2 2nd   IEP 0.00
2nd-12   8/06/1985.   6L x 0.75L   Epsom Downs, Epsom, Surrey, UK   Gold Seal Oaks Stakes   12f.   2414m.   9.0.   57kg   2.41.37.   15/2.   Oh So Sharp (IRE) 9.0 7/4F 1st   Dubian (GB) 9.0 5/1 3rd   GBP 42,095.00
5th-13   29/06/1985.   0.5L x 2.5L x hd x 1.5L   The Curragh, Co Kildare, IRELAND   Joe McGrath Irish Sweeps Derby   12f.   2414m.   8.11.   56kg   2.29.9.   Good, 10/1.   Law Society (USA) 9.0 15/8F 1st   Theatrical (IRE) 9.0 6/1 2nd   IEP 0.00
3rd-6*   20/08/1985.   0.75L x 4L   York, North Yorkshire, UK   Benson & Hedges Gold Cup (later 'sponsor name' International Stakes)   10f. 110yds.   2112m.   8.7.   54kg   2.18.79.   Good to Soft, 14/1.   Commanche Run (GB) 9.6 5/1 1st   Oh So Sharp (IRE) 8.7 2/5F 2nd   GBP 16,727.00
10th-11   8/09/1985.   3L x 0.75L   Phoenix Park, Dublin, IRELAND   Phoenix Champion Stakes (later Irish Champion Stakes)   10f.   2012m.   8.9.   55kg   2.09.24.   Soft to Heavy, 20/1.   Commanche Run (GB) 9.6 11/10F 1st   Bob Back (USA) 9.6 50/1 2nd   IEP 0.00
3rd-11   20/10/1985.   Nk x 0.5L   Woodbine, Toronto,  Ontario, CANADA   Rothmans International Stakes   13f.   2615m.   115lbs   52kg   2.48.2.   Yielding, $15.60.   Nassipour 126 $28.60 1st   Sumayr 118 $2.60F 2nd   CAD 66,000.00
* A $1 (USD) million bonus was payable to winner of B&H Gold Cup, and Irish and English Champion Stakes in 1985.   Commanche Run won the first two legs and failed in the third leg.                                       
FOUR YEARS: 1986  Starts 11: 2-3-3-3                                        
4th-10   4/05/1986.   Sht hd x 0.5L x 1L   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   Prix Ganay      2100m.      56.5kg   2.11.70.   Good,    Baillamont (USA) 58 1st   Mersey (GB) 56.5 2nd   FRF 45,000.00
2nd-10   5/06/1986.   Sht hd x 3L   Epsom Downs, Epsom, Surrey, UK   Coronation Cup   12f.   2414m.   8.11.   56kg   2.34.87.   Good, 12/1.   Saint Estephe (FR) 9.0 20/1 1st   Petoski (GB) 9.0 5/2 3rd   GBP 18,261.00
1st-6   28/06/1986.   Sht hd x sht hd   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   La Coupe      2400m.      54.5kg   2.38.40.   Assez Souple,    Antheus (USA) 56 2nd   Baby Turk (IRE) 57 3rd   FRF 170,000.00
2nd-8   5/07/1986.   4L x 1.5L   Sandown Park, Surrey, UK   Coral-Eclipse Stakes   10f.   2012m.   9.4.   59kg   2.06.18.   Good, 9/1.   Dancing Brave (USA) 4/9F 1st   Teleprompter (GB) 9/1 3rd   GBP 50,618.00
3rd-9   26/07/1986.   0.75L x 4L   Ascot, Berkshire, UK   King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Diamond Stakes   12f.   2414m.   9.4.   59kg   2.29.49.   Good, 25/1.   Dancing Brave (USA) 6/4 1st   Shardari (IRE) 9.7 14/1 2nd   GBP 27,807.86 est.
2nd-12   19/08/1986.   0.75L x 6L   York, North Yorkshire, UK   The Matchmaker International   10f. 110yds.   2112m.   9.3.   58.5kg   2.08.28.   Good, 5/1.   Shardari (IRE) 13/8F 1st   Damister (USA) 9/1 3rd   GBP 43,746.00
3rd-13   7/09/1986.   2.5L x 2.5L   Phoenix Park, Dublin, IRELAND   Phoenix Champion Stakes (later Irish Champion Stakes)   10f.   2012m.   9.3.   58.5kg   2.02.55. (CR)   Fast, 3/1F.   Park Express (IRE) 8.8 11/2 1st   Double Bed (FR) 8.11 33/1 2nd   IEP 40,000.00
3rd-15   5/10/1986.   1.5L x 0.5L   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   Trusthouse Forte Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe      2400m.      57.5kg   2.27.7. (CR)   Firm,    Dancing Brave (USA) 56 1st   Bering (GB) 56 2nd   FRF 800,000.00
1st-11   18/10/1986.   0.75L x 4L   Newmarket, Suffolk, UK   Dubai Champion Stakes (G1)   10f.   2012m.   9.0.   57kg   2.09.49.   4/1.   Celestial Storm 8.10 9/1 2nd   Park Express 8.7 3/1F 3rd   GBP 86,750.00
6th-11   1/11/1986.   1.25L x 1.25L   Santa Anita Park, Arcadia, near LA, CA, USA   Breeders' Cup Classic   10f. (Dirt)   2012m.   123 lbs   56kg   2.00.4.   Fast, $11.00.   Skywalker 126 $11.10 1st   Turkoman 126 2nd   USD 30,000.00
11th-14   23/11/1986.   Hd x 1.25L   Fuchu, Tokyo, JAPAN   Japan Cup      2400m.      xxkg   2.25.0.(CR)   Firm,    Jupiter Island (GB) 1st   Allez Milord (USA) 2nd   JPY 0
FIVE YEARS: 1987  Starts 10: 6-0-3-1                                        
1st-10   3/05/1987.   3L x 0.5L   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   Prix Ganay (G1)      2100m.      56.5kg   2.15.10.   Assez Souple,    Takfa Yamed (IRE) 58 2nd   Highest Honor (FR) 58 3rd    FRF 450,000.00
1st-5   4/06/1987.   0.75L x nk   Epsom Downs, Epsom, Surrey, UK   Hanson Trust Coronation Cup (G1)   12f.   2414m.   8.11.   56kg   2.35.97.   Good to Firm, 4/5F.   Rakaposhi King 9.0 100/30 2nd   Acatanengo (GER) 9.0 100/30 3rd    GBP 54,759.00
3rd-8   4/07/1987.   0.75L x 1.5L   Sandown Park, Surrey, UK   Coral-Eclipse Stakes   10f.   2012m.   9.4.   59kg   2.04.33 (RR)   4/1.   Mtoto (GB) 9.7 6/1 1st   Reference Point (GB) 8.8 1/1F 2nd   GBP 21,040.00
3rd-9   25/07/1987.   3L x nk   Ascot, Berkshire, UK   King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Diamond Stakes   12f.   2414m.   9.4.   59kg   2.34.63.   Soft, 5/1.   Reference Point (GB) 8.8 11/10F 1st   Celestial Storm (USA) 9.7 5/1 2nd   GBP 32,609.76 est.
1st-10   18/08/1987.   2L x 3L   York, North Yorkshire, UK   Matchmaker International Stakes (G1)   10f. 110yds.   2112m.   9.3.   58.5kg   2.15.53.   Soft, 13/8F.   Ascot Knight 8.10 6/1 2nd   Sir Harry Lewis 8.10 9/1 3rd   GBP 129,949.00
1st-12   6/09/1987.   Nk x 2.25L   Phoenix Park, Dublin, IRELAND   Dunnes Stores St. Bernard Phoenix Championship Stakes (G1) (later Irish Champion Stakes)   10f.   2012m.   9.3.   58.5kg   2.06.7.      Entitled 8.11 14/1 2nd   Cockney Lass 9.3 25/1 3rd   IEP 267,500.00
3rd-11   4/10/1987.   2L x 2L   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   Trusthouse Forte Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe      2400m.      57.5kg   2.26.30. (CR)   Good to Firm,    Trempolino (USA) 56 1st   Tony Bin (IRE) 59 2nd   FRF 800,000.00
1st-11   17/10/1987.   2.5L x 4L   Newmarket, Suffolk, UK   Dubai Champion Stakes (G1)   10f.   2012m.   9.0.   57kg   2.10.98.   Good, 6/5F.   Most Welcome (GB) 17/2 2nd   Saint Andrews (FR) 12/1 3rd   GBP 80,600.00
1st-9   15/11/1987.   5L x 1.25L   Fuchu, Tokyo, JAPAN   Fuji Stakes      1800m.      xxkg   1.46.9.   Firm,    Our Waverley Star (NZ) 2nd   Symboli Karl (JPN) 3rd   JPY 16,079,800
4th-14   29/11/1987.   0.75L x 0.5L x 1.75L   Fuchu, Tokyo, JAPAN   Japan Cup      2400m.      xxkg   2.24.9 (CR)   Firm,    Le Glorieux (GB) 1st   Southjet (USA) 2nd   JPY 13,000,000
SIX YEARS: 1988  Starts 8: 2-0-3-3                                        
3rd-5   1/05/1988.   2L x 3L   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   Prix Ganay      2100m.      56.5kg   2.18.60.   Good,    Saint Andrews (FR) 58 1st   Grand Fleuve (USA) 58 2nd   FRF 90,000.00
1st-4   2/06/1988.   0.75L x 2L   Epsom Downs, Epsom, Surrey, UK   Hanson Coronation Cup (G1)   12f.   2414m.   8.11.   56kg   2.34.84.   Good, 11/8F.   Infamy (IRE) 8.11 4/1 2nd   Moon Madness (GB) 9.0 15/8 3rd   GBP 59,688.00
3rd-8   2/07/1988.   Nk x 3L   Sandown Park, Surrey, UK   Coral-Eclipse Stakes   10f.   2012m.   9.4.   59kg   2.06.14.   Good, 3/1.   Mtoto (GB) 9.7 6/4F 1st   Shady Heights (GB) 9.7 33/1 2nd   GBP 23,279.45
10th-14##   20/08/1988.   0.75L x 0.5L   Woodbine, Toronto, CANADA   Arlington Million   10f. (Turf)   2012m.   121 lbs   55kg   2.00.00   Firm,    Mill Native (USA) 126 1st   Equalize (USA) 126 2nd   USD 0.00
3rd-9   4/09/1988.   0.75L x 1L   Phoenix Park, Dublin, IRELAND   Phoenix Champion Stakes (later Irish Champion Stakes)   10f.   2012m.   9.3.   58.5kg   2.06.50.   Good to Soft, 6/1.   Indian Skimmer (USA) 9.3 9/4 1st   Shady Heights (GB) 9.6 11/2 2nd   IEP 30,000.00
1st-11 (WOP)   18/09/1988.   Sht nk x 0.75L   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   Prix du Prince d'Orange      2000m.      58.5kg   2.04.90.   Good to Firm,    Lesotho (USA) 58 1st PP DQ   Masmouda (IRE) 55.5 2nd   FRF 170,000.00
16th-24   2/10/1988.   Nk x 1.25L   Longchamp, Paris, FRANCE   CIGA Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe      2400m.      57.5kg   2.27.30.   Firm,    Tony Bin (IRE) 59 1st   Mtoto (GB) 59 2nd   FRF 0.00
4th-10   5/11/1988.   0.5L x 0.75L x 9L   Churchill Downs, Louisville, Kentucky, USA   Breeders' Cup Turf   12f. (Turf)   2414m.   123 lbs   56kg   2.35.2.   Good, $12.90.   Great Communicator 126 $13.40 1st   Sunshine Forever 122 $3.10 2nd   USD 140,000.00
## Race held at Woodbine in Canada as repairs from a fire at Arlington (Illinois, USA) were still being undertaken.