But aren't you making my point? If my Aunty had balls......

The Australian Cup vs. The Ranvet I have it 1-1 with 1 draw over the past 3 years.

With the advent of the All Star Mile, trainers are likely to chase $5m ASM then $3m Doncaster or $4m QE2.

The $1.5m Australian Cup quality is going to get worse, not better with the ASM now being the major Melbourne autumn race.

Getting back on context, your definitive statement that the "Randwick Guineas and Ranvet Stakes are prime examples with the Australian Guineas and Australian Cup attracting better fields" does not measure up to scrutiny.

I disagree. They have better fields and let’s not get in arguments about winners because luck plays a big part in races too.

If I use a facetious argument that the prizemoney of the races would mean that the Randwick Guineas and Ranvet Stakes will attract an inferior field than in Melbourne for the same period, you would be jumping up and down.

But when I bring the same point about the Everest, you go off on a ridiculous tangent and not even answer if a $15 race will attract a better field than $10m.

Sydney needs a boost in the autumn with more prizemoney. The Ranvet Stakes has a prizemoney of $700k. The Hunter and the Gong has a prizemoney of $1m each.  Where is the money better spent? Surely a $500k prize for the Hunter and Gong with a bonus would be better and make the Ranvet a $1m race. That is better programming and more chance of having the Australian Cup horses backing up or running in the a Ranvet then the Tancred and / or QE. What a series especially chuck in a bonus  for horses that competed in each.

A $3m bonus for horses that wins all the big WFA races in Sydney instead of giving it to the Everest. This willl invigorate the WFA Racing in the Autumn in Sydney.

I would be open to even throwing a $3m bonus if a horse can win the triple crown in Sydney.

What an end to the Championship if horses were alive going to the last leg. Not chucking another $5m to a race that already has captivated the interest of everyone. Sydney is a leader when it comes to racing in most areas but we can always look at new ways of spreading it.

The 2019 Australian Cup was won by Harlem beating 7yo mare Shillelagh and Trap For Fools who had won one G1 under the methods of Darren Weir.

The 2019 Ranvet was won by Avilius beating the UK G1 placed He's Eminent and dual NZ Group 1 winner Danzdanzdance

The 3 placegetters in the 2018 Australian Cup all ran in the Ranvet - so the "depth" was around the same.

The 2017 Australian Cup was a good quality race won by Humidor (under the methods of Weir) beating Jameka and both horses went to Sydney to run the quinella in reverse in the Tancred. In fact the Australian Cup trifecta ran the trifecta in the Tancred that year.

The Ranvet that year was run on a Heavy 10 with Our Ivanhowe (Germany G1 plus Doomben Cup) beating multi G1 winner Hartnell

Gee, PP again you are being selective and not reading the posts correctly as usual.

My comment was on better fields and not winners. Majority of the time, the fields in Sydney are smaller and less in the quality aspect. Australian Guineas and Australian Cup have attracted better overall fields and bigger fields for open racing fields.

The Ranvet over the years has an average field of 8-10 runners max. The quality is at the top but the depth is not there.

On a side note, Mosheen was the only winner of both according to the results. Dissident won more G1s than Le Romain. I would put Shamus Award up there too as he won the Cox Plate too. Carnegie Express should have won the triple crown if the jockey did not go too early in the Derby. Preferment was underrated compared to a couple. VRC Derby and a few other G1s too. Old Comrade beat Northerly too.

Interesting when you look at the Guineas races, how many of them did not go on to big race wins as 4yo or up.

Thank you Peter Mair.

Totally disagree. Field size has nothing to do with quality.

Have you not been watching Winx?

Gee, PP again you are being selective and not reading the posts correctly as usual.

My comment was on better fields and not winners. Majority of the time, the fields in Sydney are smaller and less in the quality aspect. Australian Guineas and Australian Cup have attracted better overall fields and bigger fields for open racing fields.

The Ranvet over the years has an average field of 8-10 runners max. The quality is at the top but the depth is not there.

On a side note, Mosheen was the only winner of both according to the results. Dissident won more G1s than Le Romain. I would put Shamus Award up there too as he won the Cox Plate too. Carnegie Express should have won the triple crown if the jockey did not go too early in the Derby. Preferment was underrated compared to a couple. VRC Derby and a few other G1s too. Old Comrade beat Northerly too.

Interesting when you look at the Guineas races, how many of them did not go on to big race wins as 4yo or up.