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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY  (Original Message) Sent: 20/11/2007 11:07 PM
AUSTRALIA v SRI LANKA AWARDS
 
How on earth did Brett Lee get man of the series? And also man of the match 2nd test.
 
Am I dreaming or did Phil Jaques have 3 digs for 100, 150 & 67
 
Also Hussey knocked up a couple of tons & a 34 not out from 3 digs.
 
If these guys didn't do the job with the bat Lee would have had nothing to bowl to.


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« 2008-Dec-18, 11:35 PM Reply #1 »
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From: arakaan Sent: 20/11/2007 11:19 PM
100% correct decision.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 20/11/2007 11:25 PM
he didn't even get a michelle in any of 4 innings

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From: NineMSN NicknameSWAUGH4PM Sent: 21/11/2007 4:01 AM
Of course Bing deserved it.  Too often batsmen get the accolades for average performances.  You can only win a test by bowling out the opposition twice.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 21/11/2007 6:57 AM
Average performances? Jaques has been piling on the runs season after season to finally cement his spot in the side which he didn't get selected into until right at the death for some unknown reason. So he's come in under a fair bit of pressure don't you think and duly delivered.
I'm fairly confident Punter would have cleaned up the awards if he got the runs Jaques got. Anyone agree?
Let's see if our current bowling stock can bowl out Tendulkar, Dravid and co for a whole lot less than 4 or 5 hundred that they'll be defending.
 

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« 2008-Dec-18, 11:36 PM Reply #2 »
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From: wily Sent: 21/11/2007 8:16 AM
I agree with the decision as well.
Yes, batsmen scored runs, it was a flat track and they were expected to.
Lee went against that trend and turned the match back to us on a number of occasions.
We were in all sorts of bother until that great spell that removed Marvin with the hook and their skipper with that fantastic inswinging yorker.
He been a true strike bowler for the 2 tests and was well rewarded for it

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From: NineMSN NicknameAntitab Sent: 21/11/2007 8:23 AM
Larsy
 
It was one of the easiest man of the series decisions ever.
 
Australia still win the both matches without Hussey and Jaques. Take Lee's 16 wickets out and it becomes a different series.

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From: NineMSN NicknameEl_Zoro Sent: 21/11/2007 8:25 AM
Remember it was only a 2 match series. Think they went with Lee as a couple batsmen got runs & it would have been easier to give it to a standout bowler rather than splitting hairs which batsmen to pick.

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From: NineMSN Nicknamecoinswell Sent: 21/11/2007 10:28 AM
Spot on El Zoro. Runs were cheap currency in this series against a pop gun attack. Wickets were not so easy to come by especially on the road at Bellerive.

Lee thoroughly deserved man of the series as he aimed in each innings he bowled.

As for MOM in Hobart, probably a close run thing with Sangakkara but Lee being on the winning team was probably the decisive factor.

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From: NineMSN NicknameSWAUGH4PM Sent: 21/11/2007 7:11 PM
Off the top of my head, Pigeon - the best quick of the last couple of years and the most prolific wicket-taking quick - used to average about 2.25 wickets an innings.  Lee took 4 every innings of the series.  Punter, the best batsmen of the last few years averages 60 odd(?).  That's akin to making 107 with the bat in EACH innings of the series.  I realise that this is not a completely accurate comparison but it does give you an indication as to how impressive Lee's figures really are. 

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 21/11/2007 10:55 PM
Jaques lost his opening partner, the seasoned Hayden, cheaply in the first innings of both tests and went on with the job and totally deserved man of the series in my opinion.
SWAUGH4PM Bing and Pigeon are like chalk and cheese, this Aussie attack will be found wanting against the Indians and god knows what's in store when South Africa's top order get a look at them. I hope i'm wrong of course.

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From: NineMSN NicknameSWAUGH4PM Sent: 21/11/2007 11:01 PM
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« 2008-Dec-18, 11:37 PM Reply #3 »
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From: arakaan Sent: 21/11/2007 11:05 PM
From: <NOBR>NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY</NOBR> Sent: 21/11/2007 10:55 PM
Jaques lost his opening partner, the seasoned Hayden, cheaply in the first innings of both tests and went on with the job and totally deserved man of the series in my opinion.

 

so what. He thens get ponting, clarke, hussey, symonds, gilchrist.

I'm sure I'd be worried with only all those lining up to support.

6 people have said Lee and no one has come on too support your view.

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From: Bubble Sent: 21/11/2007 11:31 PM
All the Aussie batsmen had great series with the exception of Hayden. That shows that it wasn't really a bowlers series.
 
Lee easily Man of the Series in my book. Jacques, Hussey, Clarke and Sangakkara all were pretty dominant. Lee the only dominant bowler.

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From: Bubble Sent: 21/11/2007 11:33 PM
In saying that Lee did not deserve the second MOM.
 
Sanga was an absolute stand out. Sri Lankas final innings was one of the greatest run chases in the history of the game.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 21/11/2007 11:47 PM
I don't give a stuff what 6 other people reckon, i'm entitled to my opinion and that's that.
I'll look forward to the points distribution on Alan Border Medal night and even more to Lee getting cartered by the Indians.
He'll probably keep his average intact but picking up a few tail enders.

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« 2008-Dec-18, 11:39 PM Reply #4 »
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From: NineMSN NicknameSWAUGH4PM Sent: 21/11/2007 11:58 PM
Why are you looking forward to seeing Lee get belted by the Indians?  This is the beginning of the post-Warnie & McGrath era and I'm chuffed he's done well so far.  Replacing the greatest spinner of all time and one of the all-time best quicks was always going to be bloody tough.  Why would you want us to struggle?  Brett Lee might not be my preferred drinking buddy but I'd cheer on John Howard if he could bowl us to a series win over the Indians.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 22/11/2007 5:47 AM
A snippet from my post 11
 
SWAUGH4PM Bing and Pigeon are like chalk and cheese, this Aussie attack will be found wanting against the Indians and god knows what's in store when South Africa's top order get a look at them. I hope i'm wrong of course.
 
I've played and supported cricket all my life, am a true blue Aussie and would love nothing more than to see us beat the curry munchers 4 zip, but in my opinion it's going to be a big ask to bowl them out twice in tests with the bowling stocks we have at the moment.
I had to laugh yesterday listening to talkin sport on Sydney's 2KY when they were offering listeners to call and match up sporting contests from different eras and a guy called to ask how the current Aussie team would go against the Windies of the early 80's.
Can you imagine Haynes and Greenidge, followed by Richardson, Richards, Lloyd, Logie, Dujon etc etc etc against our current crop?

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From: arakaan Sent: 22/11/2007 7:18 AM
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From: <NOBR>NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY</NOBR> Sent: 21/11/2007 11:47 PM
I'll look forward to the points distribution on Alan Border Medal night and even more to Lee getting cartered by the Indians.

nothing like a true blue aussie.

It is obvious you dislike Lee and that is the only reason this thread was started.


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From: wily Sent: 22/11/2007 8:37 AM
Larsy,
 
You seem like someone who hasn't liked Lee from the start.
 
He may have been over hyped or disappointing in his career but that shouldn't stop you from praising the bloke when he does actually perform.
he's been stepping up for a while now and this series was another step up for him.
 
Credit where credit is due old fella, people are allowed to get better and you're allowed to use your brain and change your view on someone

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 22/11/2007 8:14 PM
I never ever said I don't like Brett Lee, I just think he is overrated and will get smashed around by the Indians but hope i'm wrong.
I still stand by my thoughts on the man of the series honours which IN MY OPINION should have gone to Jaques and also what I said if that Ponting had have got the runs Jaques got then he would have won it but I suppose we'll never ever know.

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From: stuey102 Sent: 22/11/2007 8:17 PM
From: <NOBR>NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY</NOBR> Sent: 21/11/2007 11:47 PM
I'll look forward to the points distribution on Alan Border Medal night and even more to Lee getting cartered by the Indians.
 
From: <NOBR>NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY</NOBR> Sent: 22/11/2007 8:14 PM
I never ever said I don't like Brett Lee, I just think he is overrated and will get smashed around by the Indians but hope i'm wrong.
 
 

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 22/11/2007 10:18 PM
Yeah so bloody what Stuey, you proved you can copy and paste, congratulations.
 
Where did I say I didn't like the guy?

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From: stuey102 Sent: 22/11/2007 10:28 PM
you said you hope you are wrong that Brett Lee gets smashed around by the Indians but then in a previous post you said you will look forward to Lee getting smashed by the Indians.
 
 

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From: Monolith Sent: 23/11/2007 4:34 AM
Lee's performance in England in the Ashes series was nothing short of sensational.
He is all . I've always held him as an integral part of the Aussie juggernaut, seems a good down to earth bloke too.
 

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 23/11/2007 8:56 AM
CHRIST!!!!!!! IN MY BLOODY OPINION i think he will get smashed around by the Indians BUT I hope i'm wrong.
 
Do I have to spell it out any clearer???????????
 
I just think he struggles against strong batting lineups. Sri Lanka are not a strong test playing nation.

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From: NineMSN NicknameTheFireman111x111 Sent: 23/11/2007 9:07 AM
Dont take it personally old larsy, around here people just love to jump on anything people say and twist the life out of it without seeking clarification
 
I understand what you are saying, I think Lee is a good bowler but like you i worry he comes up against a decent batting line up who are not affraid of his pace.
 
Having said that Lee does appear open to learning new delivers which is a plus.

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From: wily Sent: 23/11/2007 9:08 AM
Larsy
 
You're entitled to your opinon mate but when was the last time you saw him struggle in a series?
 
I have to go back to 2003 against India on some of the flatest tracks we have ever produced
He was wonderful against the pom in both series and was top notch against the Springbok here and in their backyard.
I think you need to stop judging him on 5 years ago, he's improved out of sight

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From: NineMSN NicknameEl_Zoro Sent: 23/11/2007 12:47 PM
Brett Lee has improved considerably as most bowlers do when they start wising up & get sick of being smashed around. In reality Lee was blooded far too early but Aust had a great bowling attack at the time so it was probably wise to give him the experience.
Their have been a few times when I've thought Lee was over-rated & under-performing & didn't deserve to be in the side.
Now as he matures he may lose a little in pace but he will be a much better bowler & over the next 5 years he has the opportunity to be a great bowler for Australia.
 
 

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From: NineMSN Nicknamecoinswell Sent: 23/11/2007 4:47 PM
I think Sri Lanka were ranked number 2 in the world when they arrived here. Think they would have gone backwards and maybe SA will be coming back in th rankings after absolutely pulverising the Black Caps.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 23/11/2007 11:53 PM
My point is as it has been from the beginning, I consider Jaques should have got the award, if the bats don't get the runs then Lee and co aren't capable of defending small targets. They were actually lucky there were a couple of dodgy decisions in Sri Lankas chase otherwise they probably would have got the 507

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« 2008-Dec-18, 11:42 PM Reply #5 »
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From: NineMSN NicknameSWAUGH4PM Sent: 24/11/2007 12:12 AM
........otherwise they probably would have got the 507.........
 
Which highlights what a terrible track it must have been for bowling, adding further merit to Lee's effort in taking eight wickets.

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From: NineMSN Nicknamecoinswell Sent: 24/11/2007 12:14 AM
Yep and Brett Lee took 4-87 in the second innings, easily the pick of the bowlers, including breaking a big partnership and getting the first innings centurion next ball.

Lee bowled two of his victims, another was caught behind and the other caught at slip. Don't think he benefited from any dodgy decisions.

Clark and more particularly MacGill were below par in this game. Johnson is still very green but shows promise.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 24/11/2007 4:00 PM
Of course he was the pick of the bowlers, don't have to be a rocket scientist to work that out.
Still not getting my point fellas, Jaques deserved the accolades.

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From: arakaan Sent: 24/11/2007 4:18 PM
no OL your not getting every single other posters point.  B. Lee was 100% man of the series.

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From: NineMSN Nicknamecoinswell Sent: 24/11/2007 4:37 PM
Jaques scored heavily but he had plenty of mates. In that sense he was not head and shoulders above say Hussey. Clarke also made runs.

The Sri Lankan attack was ordinary.

The pitches favoured batsmen.

These points detract from Jaques' claims and the latter adds weight to Lee's claims.

IMHO the choice of Lee as man of the series was probably one of the more clearcut of recent times.

I also hopes Jaques continues the great start to his career.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 26/11/2007 8:47 PM
I hear the poor baby has been rested from their Pura Cup match this week cause he's tired. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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From: arakaan Sent: 26/11/2007 8:50 PM
nothing like the words of a Lee non hater.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 26/11/2007 9:07 PM
Still haven't mentioned the hate word towards him. But fair dinkum, does this just show how much importance there is or isn't in winning the domestic comp?

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From: arakaan Sent: 26/11/2007 9:12 PM
OL, to be fair to NSW, they are on top of the ladder and there current squad has dominated all of there pura cup games this season and would likely be undefeated if a road hadn't been on display in the QLD match.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 26/11/2007 9:46 PM
Tassie are leading the one day comp but that didn't stop Punter from travelling up here. The fans deserve the best on display if they're available. There are lots of families that can't afford to go see test matches so deserve to take their kids to these domestic matches to see their idols when the opportunity arises.

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From: arakaan Sent: 26/11/2007 9:55 PM
OL, Punter didn't have to travel that far from the shire.

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From: stuey102 Sent: 26/11/2007 9:57 PM
Punter lives in NSW so didnt have to travel anywhere. None of the Aussie fast bowlers played as they have had a tough workload against Sri Lanka and are sure to have similar against India. Their number one priority would be Australia with their state being number two.
 
It is different for the batsman as it is not as quite taxing on them batting for a day rather than a fast bowler charging in bowling all day.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 26/11/2007 9:58 PM
I wasn't real flash at geography but I do know that from the shire to north sydney is UP.
 

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 26/11/2007 10:03 PM
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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 29/11/2007 4:42 PM
New South Wales innings (50 overs maximum) R M B 4s 6s SR
PJ Forrest c wicketkeeperCrosthwaite b Nannes 12 20 21 2 0 57.14
PJ Hughes c wicketkeeperCrosthwaite b Nannes 68 121 89 2 2 76.40
captain SM Katich lbw b Nannes 58 87 84 4 0 69.04
wicketkeeper BJ Haddin c Hodge b Hastings 27 54 38 1 2 71.05
DJ Thornely c Hussey b Hodge 49 65 40 2 2 122.50
B Lee run out (McGain) 11 18 13 1 0 84.61
MC Henriques b Hastings 11 9 5 1 1 220.00
EJM Cowan not out 7 8 8 0 0 87.50
NM Hauritz not out 5 3 2 1 0 250.00
    Extras (b 2, lb 7, w 2) 11
    Total (7 wickets; 50 overs; 197 mins) 259 (5.18 runs per over)

Did not bat NW Bracken, SR Clark

Fall of wickets1-23 (Forrest, 5.4 ov), 2-140 (Katich, 31.1 ov), 3-145 (Hughes, 33.6 ov), 4-186 (Haddin, 42.3 ov), 5-223 (Lee, 46.5 ov), 6-239 (Thornely, 47.6 ov), 7-248 (Henriques, 48.6 ov)

 Bowling O M R W Econ
 SM Harwood 10 1 51 0 5.10 (1w)
 DP Nannes 10 1 28 3 2.80
 JW Hastings 10 1 45 2 4.50 (1w)
 BE McGain 8 0 48 0 6.00
 DJ Hussey 6 0 38 0 6.33
 BJ Hodge 4 0 26 1 6.50
 RJ Quiney 2 0 14 0 7.00

Victoria innings (target: 260 runs from 50 overs) R M B 4s 6s SR
M Klinger c Katich b Hauritz 51 118 79 3 0 64.55
AC Blizzard b Bracken 15 31 22 2 0 68.18
captain BJ Hodge c Thornely b Hauritz 3 13 15 0 0 20.00
DJ Hussey c wicketkeeperHaddin b Bracken 80 129 89 6 1 89.88
RJ Quiney not out 89 96 57 9 3 156.14
AB McDonald not out 17 32 15 2 0 113.33
    Extras (lb 3, w 2) 5
    Total (4 wickets; 46.1 overs; 204 mins) 260 (5.63 runs per over)

Did not bat wicketkeeperAJ Crosthwaite, JW Hastings, SM Harwood, BE McGain, DP Nannes

Fall of wickets1-25 (Blizzard, 7.4 ov), 2-32 (Hodge, 10.3 ov), 3-112 (Klinger, 28.5 ov), 4-215 (Hussey, 40.3 ov)

 Bowling O M R W Econ
 B Lee 9.1 1 57 0 6.21 (1w)
 NW Bracken 9 0 44 2 4.88
 NM Hauritz 9 0 59 2 6.55
 SR Clark 10 0 47 0 4.70
 MC Henriques 4 0 21 0 5.25 (1w)
 DJ Thornely 5 0 29 0 5.80

Toss New South Wales, who chose to bat first
Points Victoria 4, New South Wales 0

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« 2008-Dec-18, 11:54 PM Reply #7 »
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From: arakaan Sent: 29/11/2007 7:25 PM
what exactly does that have to do with the Sri Lankan test matches?

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From: ShortHalfHead Sent: 29/11/2007 7:28 PM
Individual Performance

BRETT LEE

Won Group 1 Australian Cup

Won Group 1 Golden Easter Egg

Won Group 1 Adelaide Cup in Record Time

Won Warrnambool Classic 2001

Broke Awesome Assassin's Track Record 480m at Horsham

Track Records at Shepparton, Geelong, Ballarat at consecutive runs.

Further records at Angle Park(twice), The Meadows & Warnambool

Won $ 403,106 Won 31 from 39 starts

Victorian Greyhound Of The Year 2001

You gotta love it !

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From: arakaan Sent: 29/11/2007 7:40 PM
(the offspring of OL and Jacques)
 
 
OLD PHIL
Colour: Brindle     Sex: Dog Whelped: 27 Jan 2004      Si NO INTENT     Dam: MY SHOT
Trainer: R J Giles (Harston) Career: 69 Starts. 15-13-10 Prizemoney: $26,775 (Vic only)
 

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 29/11/2007 7:54 PM
Arakaan
 
You suggested I don't like Brett Lee in a previous post which I never said.
 
Now you're saying that i'm implying those domestic one day figures from yesterday have something to do with his performance against Sri Lanka which I never said either.
 
Was just showing how he can get belted around the park, he's probably lucky the Vics weren't chasing a larger target
 
Old Phil made me laugh too, very good!
 
SHH I loved that dog, got plenty of first 4's courtesy on many of those 31 wins

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 2/12/2007 8:00 PM

Test no. 1851
England in Sri Lanka Test Series - 1st Test
Sri Lanka v England
2007/08 season

Played at Asgiriya Stadium, Kandy, on 1,2,3,4,5 December 2007 (5-day match)

Sri Lanka 1st innings R M B 4s 6s SR
MG Vandort c Vaughan b Hoggard 8 41 22 1 0 36.36
ST Jayasuriya c Pietersen b Sidebottom 10 12 12 2 0 83.33
KC Sangakkara c Collingwood b Anderson 92 251 159 13 0 57.86
captain DPMD Jayawardene c wicketkeeperPrior b Hoggard 1 23 12 0 0 8.33
LPC Silva c wicketkeeperPrior b Hoggard 2 8 6 0 0 33.33
J Mubarak c wicketkeeperPrior b Hoggard 0 4 5 0 0 0.00
wicketkeeper HAPW Jayawardene c Cook b Panesar 51 132 102 9 0 50.00
WPUJC Vaas b Panesar 12 25 22 2 0 54.54
CRD Fernando c Vaughan b Panesar 0 15 11 0 0 0.00
SL Malinga not out 1 14 7 0 0 14.28
M Muralitharan run out (Bopara/Anderson) 1 3 1 0 0 100.00
    Extras (lb 8, nb 2) 10
    Total (all out; 59.4 overs; 268 mins) 188 (3.15 runs per over)

Fall of wickets1-11 (Jayasuriya, 2.5 ov), 2-29 (Vandort, 9.1 ov), 3-40 (DPMD Jayawardene, 13.1 ov), 4-42 (Silva, 15.1 ov), 5-42 (Mubarak, 15.6 ov), 6-148 (HAPW Jayawardene, 46.1 ov), 7-180 (Vaas, 52.3 ov), 8-182 (Fernando, 56.6 ov), 9-186 (Sangakkara, 59.2 ov), 10-188 (Muralitharan, 59.4 ov)

 Bowling O M R W Econ
 RJ Sidebottom 15 1 58 1 3.86
 MJ Hoggard 14 3 29 4 2.07 (1nb)
 JM Anderson 15.4 3 39 1 2.48
 RS Bopara 1 0 8 0 8.00 (1nb)
 MS Panesar 14 4 46 3 3.28

 

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From: arakaan Sent: 2/12/2007 8:04 PM
If he takes the same again for another 3 consecutive innings, sure. Or perhaps you overlooked that fact.
 

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 2/12/2007 8:17 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahaha I love it Arakaan, didn't think i'd get a bite that quick.

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From: arakaan Sent: 2/12/2007 8:27 PM
laugh all you want. One fool in this thread and everyone knows who it is. Keep that hatred alive OL.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 2/12/2007 8:35 PM
OH! now i'm a fool?
That's sticks and stones material

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 10/12/2007 10:56 PM
Result Win
Odds
Place
Odds
Exotic
Combs
Exotic
Odds
  Win
Odds
Place
Odds
1 - RAMROD FLYER   1.40  1.20  Qin 1 - 7 2.00   0.00  0.00 
7 - ME AND PHIL     1.30  Exa 1 - 7 4.10     0.00 
2 - BARBWIRE CANOE     2.10  Tri 1 - 7 - 2 31.20     0.00 
3 - EXTREME HUNTER       Ffr 1 - 7 - 2 - 3 86.40      
      R-d 2 - 1 28.70      

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 22/12/2007 7:09 AM
I reckon Brett Lee shoulda got MOM in Chappel/Hadley final in Tassie, I think Punter only got it cause it was his b'day, he was playing at 'home' and his dog (that couldn't win and didn't) was running that night

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 22/12/2007 11:43 AM
Brett Lee is just thriving with the new responsability of being the premier fast bowler for Australia and the world.

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From: arakaan Sent: 27/12/2007 5:25 PM
From: <NOBR>NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY</NOBR> Sent: 21/11/2007 6:57 AM
Let's see if our current bowling stock can bowl out Tendulkar, Dravid and co for a whole lot less than 4 or 5 hundred that they'll be defending.
From: <NOBR>NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY</NOBR> Sent: 21/11/2007 11:47 PM
I'll look forward to the points distribution on Alan Border Medal night and even more to Lee getting cartered by the Indians. (A great patriot)

Bowling          O M  R   W    Econ

 B Lee          19.5   6   46   4     2.31

 

Just another 4 against these much heralded indians.


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From: NineMSN Nicknamegratlog1 Sent: 27/12/2007 5:27 PM
You are a cruel man Arakaan.lol

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From: NineMSN Nicknametriple-7- Sent: 27/12/2007 6:28 PM
Must say Lee has turned his career around through the last 2 yrs. Plenty suggest he has worked very very hard, uses his ears for what they're there for, touch of maturity, he's certainly stepped up to the mark and been able to maintain it. He was a pie chucker a few yrs ago, content to spray quick ones, more often than not just bang them in short with most of his wickets coming when cleaning up a few tail enders.
 
Credit where it's due, he's turned it around and has been bowling very well for the last 12 months. Long may it continue.

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From: NineMSN Nicknamegratlog1 Sent: 27/12/2007 6:31 PM
Yes Triples, no doubt he is a lot smarter these days

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 28/12/2007 3:36 AM
From: <NOBR>NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY</NOBR> Sent: 21/11/2007 3:55 AM
Jaques lost his opening partner, the seasoned Hayden, cheaply in the first innings of both tests and went on with the job and totally deserved man of the series in my opinion.
SWAUGH4PM Bing and Pigeon are like chalk and cheese, this Aussie attack will be found wanting against the Indians and god knows what's in store when South Africa's top order get a look at them. I hope i'm wrong of course

Ummmm Arakaan, why didn't you copy and paste this one as well? So far i'm wrong and i'm man enough to admit it, but it is only 2 days into a 20 day series.

And don't forget this test isn't over yet, still fresh in my memory is Australia enforcing a follow on and being beat, against the Indians if i'm not wrong.


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From: wily Sent: 28/12/2007 10:17 AM
That follow on was a dunce decision under the captaincy of S. Waugh. Yes it was moronic, it aint happening this time around.

wEll done to Lee, another great performance with the pill.
He's certainly stepped up for, atleast, the past 2-3 years.
Fast, accurate and late swing, a lethal combination.
That bouncer to Laxman was a ripper

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Bowling          O M  R   W    Econ

 B Lee             14   3   43   2     3.07

 

Just another 2(Jaffer and Tendulkar) and 6/89 in the match for much hated Lee against these much heralded indians who couldn't get to 200. Lucky for India they are facing such a bad attack or could you imagine the carnage.


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From: wily Sent: 29/12/2007 4:57 PM
Laxan, tendulkar, Dravid, Gangully have flayed attacks all around the world.
Great effort by our boys, it's time the public started giving them the respect they deserve

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 29/12/2007 5:11 PM
I blame the Australian bowling coach

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From: NineMSN Nicknamegratlog1 Sent: 29/12/2007 5:13 PM
" it's time the public started giving them the respect they deserve"
 
Wily -please explain
 
I thought they got a fair go in the media.

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From: wily Sent: 29/12/2007 5:33 PM
Grats, i think they get a reasonable go from the media. I do think they are over critisised for their supposed bad behaviour
Many of the general public that i speak to don't rate the players, the team or their record.
I've got one mate who won't even watch them play because he deems them arrogant.
Question marks have to be raised over the quality of the opposition for the past decade but this batch of players just keep delivering.......something bad players don't do

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From: NineMSN Nicknamegratlog1 Sent: 29/12/2007 5:46 PM
The only one that I thought was arrogant was John Buchanan.
 
 I thought the players were very good with signing autographs and that type of thing
 
A lot of young kids that I talk to, hero worship Symonds and Hayden. All the players seem popular .  Especially compared to some druggie footballers

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From: wily Sent: 29/12/2007 7:26 PM
Grats, every aussie cricket fan should worship Haydos.
What he has done with his career is amazing

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 18/01/2008 1:55 PM
Let's see how Lee and co perform without a lead set up by the BATSMEN, who are the biggest asset to the side.

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From: NineMSN NicknameAntitab Sent: 18/01/2008 2:02 PM
They'd be more successful if the batsman could catch.

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From: stuey102 Sent: 18/01/2008 2:13 PM
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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 18/01/2008 2:18 PM
Tell me about it Stuey, I sent the post then got in car to go get smokes and Sehwag was gone before I got out of the driveway and Dravid gone while I was in the shop lol

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From: arakaan Sent: 18/01/2008 2:47 PM
OL decides to take the only opportunity he has had all summer to raise his head from the sand, and guess what, Brett Lee puts it firmly back in place as he has done in every single innings of the summer.
 
Couldn't be more perfect.
 
 

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From: wily Sent: 18/01/2008 3:00 PM
Larsy, larst, larsy.....lol
 
 
Mate, you need to stop dreaming up scenarios to find a chink in Lee.
 
Mate, the bloke has improved out of sight.
You've clearly formed your opinions early days. it's now time to be a big boy and admit you are wrong.
You remind me of my best mate.
I saw manikato win the Blue Diamnd and declared him great. My mate death rided him into the slipper and then spent the next 6 years trying to get him beat somehow.
It was only last week the twit admitted to me that he was wrong all along.
 
Mate, enjoy lee for the great way he is bowling now, don't rob yourself from the pleasure just because you've got it massively wwwrrrrrooonnnnggg

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 18/01/2008 3:18 PM
Wily, how can you put Lee in the same post as Manikato hahahaha, if the great horse was selected back then I reckon he would have bowled out the great Windies batting attack.
Remind your mate he is still a twit.
Anyway India are 5/152 at this stage and lead by 270, they're still specials.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 18/01/2008 3:32 PM
By the way Wily, go read post 64

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 18/01/2008 3:44 PM
In 20 more tests Lees average will be below 25.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 20/01/2008 1:24 AM
He'll be lucky to be selected in another 20 tests

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From: NineMSN Nicknamecoinswell Sent: 20/01/2008 9:56 AM
Brett Lee currently ranked number 4 in the World Rankings behind the javelin thrower, Clark and Dale Steyn. Kumble at number 6 is the only Indian in the top 10.

Wily's point about Lee's improvement is spot on and it is supported by the stats - his bowling average since the Ashes tour of 2005 is around 25 which is world class. His overall average has come down from 32 plus to around 30 and is heading lower all the time.

Not bad for a guy who can't bowl - still yet to be cartered by the Indians - maybe it will happen in Adelaide - he is well overdue for an ordinary performance.

India bowled very well in this game and Pathan made a huge difference but over the last year or two I suspect only Kumble would rival Lee for results.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 25/01/2008 8:41 PM
Wasn't it great to see India's 10th wicket bat him out of the attack today, in an innings where his average went backwards

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From: arakaan Sent: 25/01/2008 8:52 PM
we'll see how many aus batters get on the main straight for the clipsal 500.

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From: wily Sent: 26/01/2008 8:23 AM
Deary me OL
 
Lee bowled very well. His battle with Sachin was wonderful stuff.
Let go of the bitterness old mate, it'll kill ya

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From: NineMSN NicknameAntitab Sent: 26/01/2008 8:33 AM
Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Lee bowled beautifully in that innings. He got the 3 best batsman out. (Laxman, Sehwah and Tendulkar.
 
 

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From: Geoff Sent: 26/01/2008 9:07 AM
In a score of 526 any bowler would gladly accept those three wickets from 36 overs for 101 runs

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 26/01/2008 2:47 PM
But if he was any good they wouldn't have got 526.
By the way the 3 scalps he got had all made over 50 including Sachin's 150

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From: NineMSN Nicknametriple-7- Sent: 28/01/2008 6:17 PM
he he he he
 
Lee - Player of the Series

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 28/01/2008 6:22 PM
Old Larsy, i think you could build an arguement that this Indian batting line up is the BEST in the world.

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From: wily Sent: 28/01/2008 7:21 PM
Nah. lee aint very good
Something like 38 wickets for the summer @ 20
 
He's crap

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From: NineMSN Nicknamecoinswell Sent: 28/01/2008 7:24 PM
The Indian batting line up has some high points but it is a tough ask I reckon when compared with our batting line up.

No settled opening combinaton - Jaffer then Pathan. Sehwag fired up in this game but he was so out of form he'd been dropped from the side.

Dravid is past his best. The name of the game is winning test matches which means scoring relatively quickly. The famous 2001 victory was memorable and Dravid played his part but Laxman was the dominant figure. Laxman was 3 in the first 2 tests - great player though he is - his numbers just don't measure up to Ponting's.

Don't stack up against our top 3 even though Jaques is still a novice.

Tendulkar at 4 v. Hussey at 4 - hmmm - line ball I reckon.

Ganguly at 5 v Clarke - I'd give it to Pup.

Symonds at 6 is better than Yuvraj or MS Dhoni.

Gilly at 7 did not really fire up in this series but wouldn't have swapped for any other number 7 going around.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 28/01/2008 8:32 PM
IT'S A JOKE
IT'S A JOKE
IT'S A JOKE
IT'S A JOKE
IT'S A JOKE
IT'S A JOKE

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From: wily Sent: 29/01/2008 8:00 AM
Coins
 
I think a combined team would look like this
 
Haydos
Shewag
Ponting
Tendulker
Laxman
Symonds
Gilly
Kumble
Lee
Clark
RP Sing
 
12th man Huss

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From: The Carnegie Express Sent: 29/01/2008 8:08 AM
You can have Shewag but I'll take Hussey any day.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 29/01/2008 12:57 PM
Swap Hussey for Laxman, i'm even happy to keep Lee in there

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From: NineMSN Nicknamespanish_lady2 Sent: 29/01/2008 1:53 PM
You can't be fair dinkum. Hussey in front of Tendulkar???
 
I want what you're on.

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From: wily Sent: 29/01/2008 2:21 PM
Lady
 
I can see where anyone has suggested Hussey in front of Tendulkar.
I think you haven't read it clearly

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 29/01/2008 2:41 PM
Laxman and Tendulkar sound similar enough lol

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From: NineMSN Nicknamespanish_lady2 Sent: 29/01/2008 2:58 PM
I was referring to Post 94 - which called it 'line ball'.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 29/01/2008 3:02 PM
Apologies SL - I agree with ya now

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From: NineMSN Nicknamecoinswell Sent: 29/01/2008 8:54 PM
Since January 2006 in Test cricket:

Tendulkar 1459 runs @ 48.63
Hussey 1593 runs @ 75.86

Over the last 2 years then Hussey has been over 50% more productive than Tendulkar.

No longer line ball IMHO - Hussey for sure.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 29/01/2008 9:00 PM
I thought it was all based on their performances during this series

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From: arakaan Sent: 24/02/2008 10:37 PM
From: <NOBR>NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY</NOBR> Sent: 21/11/2007 11:47 PM
I'll look forward to the points distribution on Alan Border Medal
 
 
Tuesday night buddy.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 25/02/2008 12:34 AM
You've got a bloody good shovel Arakaan, dig up anything hahah Will be tuning in Tuesday night

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From: NineMSN Nicknametriple-7- Sent: 26/02/2008 9:40 PM
This is just for OL.
 
Brett Lee names (rightly) Test Cricketer of the Yr.
 
40 wickets @ 20.58!!
 
 

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From: Geoff Sent: 27/02/2008 8:13 AM
Yes, I thought of this thread when I heard he won it.
 
I also gave some thought of trying to find some of those early posts where Viscount gave him a bit of a serve.

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From: Bubble Sent: 27/02/2008 2:04 PM
Didn't he win the Allan Border medal after missing the whole World Cup?
 
Huge effort.
 
His performance in the last 12 months was simply outstanding and full credit to him. With Warne and particularly McGrath retiring the pressure on him to become our number one bowler instantly, when he had always been number 3 (and often below that level) was immense.
 
But he has handled it with ease. It is testament to his recognised work ethic and his dedication. Brilliant, brilliant performance.

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From: wily Sent: 28/02/2008 10:24 AM
A great effort but i still think Haydos was a bit stiff.
 
Even though Geoff wanted him dumped from the team

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From: Geoff Sent: 28/02/2008 10:59 AM
I wanted him to pull his finger out, and he did that.

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From: NineMSN NicknameAntitab Sent: 3/03/2008 5:45 PM
He might be the most improved player in world cricket but is still a low c***.
 
Anyone who believes those bean balls he bowls that supposedly "slip"are an accident has never played cricket. They are always when the other team is on top, they are always straight at the batsmans neck and head.
 
 They are never wide, never knee high full tosses and never 5 foot over the batsmans head as you would expect if they all slipped.
 
They are deliberate and he should be rubbed out of the game for the scum that he is. As usual Tendulkar handled  it with class last night.
 
I await the day Lee picks on the wrong target who takes justice into his own hands.

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 3/03/2008 5:55 PM
Thats crap ANTI tab.

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From: NineMSN NicknameAntitab Sent: 3/03/2008 6:06 PM
You forgive him because he is Australian do you?
 
The papers would have been full of it this morning if the bowler was  Shoab and it was his 15th offense as it is with Lee.

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From: NineMSN Nicknametriple-7- Sent: 3/03/2008 6:07 PM
A mate and I had a similar conversation on this a few weeks ago along exactly the same points Antitab makes, and then exchanged text messages when it occured last night. He's had the benefit of the doubt, but it is too often, too straight and always seems to be in the same game circumstances. Given the quality of his imrovement he just doesn't need this garbage in his game.

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He is one of the few people in the Australian team who i believe play the game in the right spirit.

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 3/03/2008 6:17 PM
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From: NineMSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 4/03/2008 7:32 PM
Interesting to see  PONTING opted for LEE, after HOPES had only given up 10 runs from 4 overs.  His mindset must say, Bowl my number 1 no matter what. Good on him for doing so, he only went for 11 in his first over back and then even took a wicket in his next, forget the runs that went on, even those off the arm of a player trying to avoid him.
 
I am a fan of Brett LEE, but gee PONTING that must be one of the most stupid decisions you ever made.
How can you better Hopes figures????

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From: NineMSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 4/03/2008 10:02 PM
At least tonight he relied on his batting, and that went well.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 4/03/2008 10:29 PM
India were the best team of the 2 ALL summer, got ripped off in test series though.

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From: NineMSN Nicknamebyalongneck Sent: 4/03/2008 10:33 PM
I think Australia has been spoilt over the last 10 years, expecting to win every time. Think we have some hard times ahead.
 

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From: NineMSN NicknamePuntingMuppet Sent: 4/03/2008 10:38 PM
How $%#%ed off did Ponting look. India deserved that  - if India fielded as well as Australia they would have won by about 60 runs.

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From: NineMSN Nicknamegintara™ Sent: 4/03/2008 10:39 PM
Your eyes must be painted on Old Larsy
 
The Aussies batting order has failed for the majority of the summer and still came out on top for the tests, yet India were the best team?? right  
 
The results in the finals were always a chance of happening as once again the top order failed, although the Indians have bowled well, Kumar these last two games and Harbi has managed to get under the skin of the Aussies ..... along with bowling pretty well too
 
I must say you'll never convince me the 'doosra' is a legit delivery

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 4/03/2008 10:54 PM
I wish my ears were painted on so I didn't have to listen to some of the crap that came out of some of our whinging players all summer, thank god for the volume control and other channels

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 19/03/2008 11:01 PM
Isn't it great that the NSW team for Pura final was littered with Test players and no one turned up to watch the game.
What shits me is that we got to the final without most of them, especially Lee, who declined to play 2 or 3 games when available through the summer but wants all the glory by appearing in the final.

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 20/03/2008 11:27 AM
As Stuart Clark said leading up to the game, many times he missed out when test bowlers come back from test duty. Thats what happens in the great state of NSW.

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From: NineMSN NicknameAntitab Sent: 20/03/2008 11:30 AM
I notice when NSW win easily Lee didnt find the need to slip and bowl one of his straight at the head bean balls.

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From: stuey102 Sent: 20/03/2008 11:41 AM
Yeah cause he does that every game Australia lose doesnt he.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 26/05/2008 6:29 AM
1st Test v Windies, managed the wickets of No6 bat, keeper and a bowler. Oh and also knocked out Chanderpaul who went on and made a ton.
 
 Bowling O M R W Econ
 B Lee 28 7 63 3 2.25 (9nb, 1w)
 MG Johnson 26 6 63 2 2.42 (4nb, 1w)
 SR Clark 19 2 59 3 3.10 (1w)
 SCG MacGill 22 2 100 2 4.54
 A Symonds 11 4 15 0 1.36

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 17/10/2008 7:51 PM
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Can't wait to see him with the bew ball if Tendulkar and Ganguly are still there

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 22/10/2008 9:06 AM
2nd test
 
1/86
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From: <NOBR>NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31</NOBR> Sent: 18/01/2008 2:44 PM
In 20 more tests Lees average will be below 25.

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He'll be lucky to be selected in another 20 tests

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From: NineMSN NicknamePuntermatt8 Sent: 22/10/2008 10:37 AM
This series has demonstrated that Warnie is light years ahead of Brett Lee in mental toughness. With his marriage crumbling around him in 2005, Warnie still took 40 wickets at 20 in the 2005 Ashes series. Lee, also coming off a marriage breakdown on the other hand is averaging a woeful 70 with just 4 wickets.

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From: NineMSN NicknameAntitab Sent: 22/10/2008 11:00 AM
Please lets discount this marriage breakup. Its a media beat up that should be ignored for the pathetic excuse that it is.
 
There would be a  hundreds of  thousands people in Australia going through a seperation or divorce  and 99.9% of them will turn up to work today and do as good a job as they always have.

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From: NineMSN Nicknamecoinswell Sent: 22/10/2008 1:58 PM
Clearly Brett Lee has been below par but he has quite a few mates.

His performances with the ball are no worse than Hayden's with the bat, and I think Lee may have actually made more runs than the way past it Queenslander. Talk about living on reputation.

Nobody seems to be questioning his mental toughness or that of Symonds - who knows where his head is at?

White isn't good enough, Johnson is marginal at best and Siddle was on debut.

In my experience marriage break-ups affect different people in different ways.

No doubt Antitab you have the evidence to substantiate what to me at least appears on the surface to be a wild assertion.

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From: NineMSN Nicknameover_the_odds Sent: 24/10/2008 11:45 PM
First time I've ever come to the defence of Brett Lee, who in my mind was carried by the rest of the attack for much of the McGrath-Warne era.

Antitab, for most people going through a separation or divorce, they could go in every day and do their jobs at say 8/10ths or 9/10ths of their absolute best ability and there wouldn't be a discernible difference in terms of work output, etc. An outsider wouldn't necessarily be able to spot that there was a problem at all.

However...

When you're playing Test cricket against a quality batting line-up on pitches that don't offer a lot of pace and bounce, nothing short of your absolute best will cut the mustard. Maybe if we'd been playing Bangladesh at home or something like that it wouldn't have made a material difference, but against India away from home it does. And there was always a big chance that he wouldn't be firing on all cylinders just yet - perhaps it was all a bit too brave a bit too soon.

Warne's case may be slightly different, because he was almost definitively the party responsible for his marriage breakdown. Whereas in Lee's case, there are at least rumours suggesting a wandering wife. Take it from someone who's just been there - a wandering wife will f**k with your aspects of your head and your self-confidence that you didn't know existed until things went pear-shaped.

For his long(er) term future as an Australian fast bowler, I'd be tempted to send him home right now and tell him that his spot will be waiting for him when he's truly 100% right to go again. 3 or 4 more bad Tests in a row and he might be done for good, both from a selector-patience but also a self-confidence perspective.

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 25/10/2008 7:06 AM
Well put OTD. Unfortunately there are people who for some reason believe everybody is the same and all our minds work the same.

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From: wily Sent: 25/10/2008 10:44 AM
What a load of crap anti tab.
 
You're normally a sensible bloke but thats the biggest load of nonsense I've ever read

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From: NineMSN NicknameSWAUGH4PM Sent: 25/10/2008 11:24 AM
Perfectly put OTO

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 25/10/2008 12:07 PM
The marriage break up excuse is petty at best, he is simply overrated
 
The guy is meant to be a professional sportsman, if he is using that meak excuse he should have pulled out of the tour.
 
Let's say he took 20 wickets in the first 2 tests, it would have been said that he put his marirage break up behind him and knuckled down and what a champ etc etc blah blah blah
 

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From: NineMSN NicknameSWAUGH4PM Sent: 25/10/2008 12:46 PM
As far as I can tell there have been four reasonbly distinct periods in his career.  He burst on to the scene with that awesome home summer against the Indians and Pakis.  He was then wayward for a fair while, being carried by Pigeon and Warnie particularly.  Since then he worked his arse off to become a very good and very fast bowler.  He is now struggling. 
 
I'll always be reluctant to be too critical of him as there is one thing I want out of my Aussie cricket team and that is for them to give a shit.  During the 2005 series against the poms he was one of only a couple who actually seemed to comprehend the magnitude of the greatest wrong world sport has ever seen (you could also see the pain written on Warnie and Langer).  
 
Whatever's going on I just hope he takes a shitload of wickets in the next test for both the team's sake and his own well-being.  At least you know he'll be giving 100%. 

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 25/10/2008 7:39 PM
As far as i can gather Brett Lee has not made any excuses for his disapointing figures.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 30/10/2008 11:43 PM
1/119

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From: NineMSN Nickname_Umrum_ Sent: 31/10/2008 1:09 PM
He actually bowled ok for that 1/119
there is absolutely nothing in that wicket
it is a road

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 31/10/2008 1:10 PM
McGrath would have picked up 4 or 5

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From: NineMSN Nickname_Umrum_ Sent: 31/10/2008 1:12 PM
McGrath is in the top 5 or 6 pace bowlers of all time...

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From: NineMSN NicknameMattDjebel31 Sent: 1/11/2008 10:53 PM
You bloody champion.

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From: NineMSN NicknameOLD_LARSY Sent: 18/12/2008 9:31 PM
MagiC
 
Any chance of bumping this to new forum?

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« 2008-Dec-19, 06:46 AM Reply #14 »
Bing bowled well again yesterday but he's lacking that one killer ball at the moment.The seems to be a sameness about his bowling. He certainly is trying his heart out

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« 2008-Dec-19, 07:36 AM Reply #15 »
He'll bowl early today and probably pick up 2 tailenders.
Can someone go to the trouble of finding out how many of his 300 are batsmen from 6-11

Bowling O M R W Econ 
  B Lee 16 3 41 0 2.56 (4nb)
  MG Johnson 18 2 42 7 2.33 (3w)
  JJ Krejza 25 2 102 1 4.08 (1w)
  PM Siddle 16 5 43 0 2.68 (2nb)
  A Symonds 3 1 10 0 3.33 


 


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« 2008-Dec-19, 07:57 AM Reply #16 »
Geez old fella, your attacks on Lee make your pleads for fairness with Mitch seem rather hypocritical  :lol:

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« 2008-Dec-19, 08:02 AM Reply #17 »
Johnson isn't up himself wily, that's the difference

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« 2008-Dec-19, 04:15 PM Reply #18 »
Not really easy to make that judgement through a telly lars. ;)

 A few blokes I know that know him reckon he's far from big headed

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« 2008-Dec-19, 04:22 PM Reply #19 »
He certainly looks like a team man on the field and seemed genuinely pleased for Johnson yesterday.  Doesn't seem up himself and moreover has toned down his antics when he does get a wicket.

He stepped into McGrath's shoes beautifully last season and was recognised for that by winning the Border and McGilvray medals.  Perhaps he is not at his best at present but he bowled some pretty good spells in this innings by all reports.

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« 2008-Dec-19, 08:29 PM Reply #20 »
OK, it's not through a tele, it's through his brother.

My brother in law knows Shane Lee really well and Shane says Brett's up himself.

Apparently!

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« 2008-Dec-22, 01:40 PM Reply #21 »
I know a bloke who thinks Steve Waugh is selfish.

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« 2008-Dec-22, 02:02 PM Reply #22 »
I think half the aussie cricket team are up themselves!!!!!! :thumbsd: :thumbsd:

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« 2008-Dec-22, 02:55 PM Reply #23 »
Geez I hate that sort of crap :mad:

Hello McFly, thats why they've been so  :censored: good!!!!!
It's a slur you can throw at anyone who has success, usually delivered by someone who hasn't had any 8)

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« 2008-Dec-22, 03:42 PM Reply #24 »
I'm with you Wily  :thumbsup:


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