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Online Bubbasmith

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O.P. « 2017-Apr-03, 07:43 AM »
Is Cameron Smith the best captain in any sport in Australia ?
He plays his namesake Steve Smith on a break, I cannot think of any AFL captain in the same league .

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« 2017-Apr-03, 04:20 PM Reply #1 »
G'Day Ron.
Right on the money there mate.
Cameron was a Logan Brothers junior and the city is proud of him.
Rugby league has a great nursery out here.
Our local high school has a great team. 99% of the side are Islander boys but we do get a lot of other lads such as Cory Parker and Cameron.
I coached the U18 side here in the early 80,s and they had so much talent. Trouble was I lost some of the better players to crime and drugs. That is still a problem out here I'm afraid
So much talent still goes to waste.

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« 2017-May-29, 06:18 PM Reply #2 »
Geez I hope Bpyd Cordner grows into the role, He does not have the same calming influence that Cameron Smith espouses.

 

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« 2017-Dec-05, 08:05 PM Reply #3 »
Whilst Steve Smith is an outstanding batsman, I believe is far from a good captain. In the past two days he has stuffed up
A. Not forcing the follow on when his side would have a new pink wall under conditions that the English took advantage and ran through the Aussies.
B. Two failed revues tuned down and another he failed to challenge when England were none for one run but did not, when Cook was actually out.
To be a great captain one does not necessarily be a great cricketer, look at Mike Brearley

If Australia gets out of jail and wins this test Smith can thank his lucky stars

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« 2017-Dec-05, 09:54 PM Reply #4 »

A. Not forcing the follow on when his side would have a new pink wall under conditions that the English took advantage and ran through the Aussies.


To be fair to him it hadn't acted like it did last night previously under lights - hindsight is wonderful.

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« 2017-Dec-06, 03:23 PM Reply #5 »
How are you "eggsperts" looking now? Wipe it off ya faces, never in doubt!  :p

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« 2017-Dec-06, 04:17 PM Reply #6 »
Now now :bleh:

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« 2017-Dec-06, 05:27 PM Reply #7 »
I disagree, my initial post on S Smith was posted in April this year and I updated my opinion on his captaincy in this latest Test. I believe he captained poorly in India where got into verbal clashes with Koli, the Indian captain, and was distracted in how a captain should lead.
Australia were clearly beaten in Tests in India , escaping with a draw and two losses in that series, Here are the current ICC world rankings
1) India – 125.
2) South Africa – 110.
3) England – 102.
4) New Zealand – 97.
5) Australia
6) Pakistan – 93.
7) Sri Lanka – 90.
8) Bangladesh – 79.
9) West Indies – 79.

That's right the Poms are third and Australia, ranked fifth, are jumping hoops because we have beaten the third ranked side.
Reminds me of the AC/ DC song "It's a long way to the Top"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUXMzkh-jI
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« 2017-Dec-06, 08:23 PM Reply #8 »
He plays his namesake Steve Smith on a break,

Well, there's your first mistake on the thread.

I've read no further expecting nothing better of a biased Vic assessing a NSW skipper.

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« 2017-Dec-06, 08:37 PM Reply #9 »
I believe he captained poorly in India
Australia were clearly beaten in Tests in India , escaping with a draw and two losses in that series

pray tell when we last won a series in India ?

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« 2017-Dec-06, 08:50 PM Reply #10 »
2004/5

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« 2017-Dec-07, 09:50 AM Reply #11 »
Well, there's your first mistake on the thread.

I've read no further expecting nothing better of a biased Vic assessing a NSW skipper.
" He", being Cameron Smith.who to the best of my knowledge, was born in Queensland.
C Smith not only captained Storm, Queensland SOO, but Australia.....not too bad IMO

then again S Smith captains Sutherland in grade cricket, NSW in Shield and Australia internationally  :shy:
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« 2017-Dec-08, 12:58 AM Reply #12 »
Like many New South Welshmen, Steve Smith is a duckhead. 

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« 2017-Dec-08, 05:53 PM Reply #13 »
Like many New South Welshmen, Steve Smith is a duckhead.

Yes. But they can play cricket and are natural leaders mate.

Alan Border, Mark Taylor, Steve Waugh, Richie Benaud, Don Bradman to name a few.

Who was the last West Aussie?? Kim whatshisface  ;)

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« 2017-Dec-08, 06:18 PM Reply #14 »
Sean Marsh.  Had Steve Waugh in the cab.  He's a dikhead too.

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« 2017-Dec-09, 09:26 AM Reply #15 »
Obviously the above is someone well versed in the command of the English language not mention some one who is also capable of extreme levels of rational thinking!

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« 2017-Dec-09, 09:42 AM Reply #16 »
I was certainly no fan of S Waugh as a crickter or a bloke but the mention of S Marsh in the same sentence is madness of any level  :lol:

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« 2017-Dec-13, 08:33 AM Reply #17 »
Oh I think WA have had a few natural leaders over the years. 


Doesn't seem that long ago when we made up most of the Test side. 


Naturally I wasn't talking cricket ability.  Just duckhead ability. 

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« 2017-Dec-31, 05:01 PM Reply #18 »
Smith's test record in Australia over the last 4 years.

2014-2017 - Australian Tests

Matches : 21
Inns : 36
Runs : 2643
High Score : 239
100's : 12
50's : 8

Average : 94.39

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« 2017-Dec-31, 05:12 PM Reply #19 »
Yes, a fine batsman.  Of course he never had to face the might of a real W Indies side.


Or a rabid Pakistani one either.   



As a captain, I think he acts like a 12 year old.   Very immature. 


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« 2018-Jan-04, 02:12 PM Reply #20 »
Going by Captain Smith's comments that Glen Maxwell, "could train a little harder yet plays with all this flunky stuff yet appears be pretty cool" together with Smith's fining last summer of Maxwell for his "disrespectful" comments he made about batting below Matthew Wade , I doubt Smith will be on Maxwell's Christmas card list anytime into the future.

Smith is a great batsman, but as a captain he is eons behind captains, such as Mike Brearley, going by those divisive comments he has made about Maxwell.

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« 2018-Jan-04, 02:16 PM Reply #21 »
Disagree bubba.
Maxwell carries on like a tool and the captain has pulled him into line.
Just what the self declared " big show" needs

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« 2018-Jan-27, 11:24 AM Reply #22 »
It is of interest that Smith has an ordinary ODI batting average against the Poms, ( 22.5 in ODI  against 137 in Tests ). Whilst averaging 137 in those  tests Smith made 687 runs facing 1416 balls, which in no way is the required run rate for an ODI player.

Whether Australia's dismal ODI record since he was elevated to captain is entirely due to Smith is subjective, however is it time for him step down as captain of the ODI & T20 formats, and make way for someone else ?
A few weeks ago Smith was critical of Glen Maxwell's approach to his cricket and Maxwell could not get a game in the Australian ODI team.As Smith is captain of the Rajasthan Royals in the upcoming IPL in India it poses an interesting question. If Smith was in the auction bidding , which I believe he is not, what would be the odds the despised Maxwell goes for more than  Smith ?

It is of interest that Smith gets $AUD 2.4 million for his captaincy of Rajasthan Royals.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/indian-premier-league-players-retained-record-kohli-smith-warner-highest-salaries-ipl-2018/2018-01-05

BTW Warner can count himself lucky that he gets $AUD 2.4 million in view of his recent ODI batting.
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« 2018-Jan-29, 06:55 AM Reply #23 »
As Jon Anderson on 3AW mentioned this morning Australia has played one-man-short in the completed ODI against England. Steve Smith is not a ODI, let alone a T20 cricketer, he is a champion test cricketer but because he does not hit the ball hard or high enough he has not adapted to the modern short games of cricket. Once again in Perth last night, he only scored 12 runs from 23 balls, whereas a cricketers of less ability in test matches, such as Stoinis, Paine, Head and Maxwell all scored at a far faster rate, whilst making more runs.
Placing the ball to get a single or two here and there, is great for test cricket, but is not the way the modern game ODI or T20 are played. The Poms have shown that in the recent ODI.
I doubt he will ever get $2.4 million again playing IPL again.

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« 2018-Feb-08, 03:52 PM Reply #24 »
Since Smith's departure from the T20, I note G Maxwell has stepped up to the plate, and too think Smith bagged Maxwell.

Smith should never be selected in any Australian T20 side, it is not Test cricket, which of course, in which Smith excels.

As Ricky Ponting has suggested “With just how strategic and tactical the T20 game is becoming you do need to have a new set of eyes and ears, or a few more sets of eyes and ears, getting prepared for each series,”


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