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Offline PoisonPen7

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« 2018-Feb-09, 03:45 AM Reply #25 »

As Ricky Ponting has suggested “With just how strategic and tactical the T20 game is becoming you do need to have a new set of eyes and ears, or a few more sets of eyes and ears, getting prepared for each series,”

Well being a Tasmanian Ricky Ponting would know all about people having "a few more sets of eyes and ears"   :lol:

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« 2018-Feb-09, 06:32 AM Reply #26 »
Good to see Maxwell finally deliver. A credit to him that he's come back. Mind you he needs to keep going and not fall back into his old ways....One swallow

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« 2018-Feb-09, 08:58 AM Reply #27 »
It is hard to believe that the Australian selectors have not picked Maxwell to tour South Africa in the ODI series over there. He is summer's leading Sheffield Shield run scorer and has unbeaten scores of 40 and 103 in Australia's unbeaten start to the T20 tri-series. In the Big Bash he scored three half-centuries with the competition's fifth-best-strike-rate. Maxwell has said he is unsure of his stature in the minds of selectors and cricket officials ( Captain Smith ? ), when it came to ODI and Test cricket.
If I was selecting a player for any Australian ODI team I would select Maxwell before I selected Smith, on the other hand I would select Smith before any other batsman in Australia in a Test side.

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« 2018-Feb-22, 08:16 AM Reply #28 »
Opinion piece by Sam Landsberger in Herald Sun.....

IT has been a long time since Steve Smith played Twenty20 cricket for Australia.

The best Test batsman since Sir Donald Bradman last pulled on the T20 pyjamas 696 days ago, when Australia was eliminated from the World Cup at the group stage.

Last month an exhausted Smith handed the reins to David Warner for the T20 triseries, opting to ready himself for the Test tour of South Africa.

Australia entered the series ranked No.7 in the world — “completely unacceptable”, new T20 assistant coach Ricky Ponting said at the time.

Tonight Warner’s team will look to take Australia to No.1 by winning the final against New Zealand in Auckland.

The side has strutted to five consecutive wins under Warner’s upbeat leadership and with a line-up stacked with specialist big-hitting batsmen.

The top order comprises Warner, Big Bash blaster D’Arcy Short, six-machine Chris Lynn at No.3, Ponting’s pupil Glenn Maxwell at No.4 and Aaron Finch at No.5.

It is a line-up loaded with matchwinning firepower, and it is batting without fear.

The swift rankings rise illustrates the volatility of the ICC points system, but the lethal batting mix has Australian fans asking big questions.

1) Should Smith retain the captaincy?

2) Who should he replace in the team?

3) Should he return at all?


Warner’s explosive top five all boast T20 international strike-rates higher than Smith’s 122.4, and, like Ponting, who is being groomed as the specialist T20 coach, this is their most natural format.

But as the best since Bradman, and after Indian Premier League team Rajasthan Royals retained him for a staggering $2.4 million, Smith’s ability is unquestioned.

There is little doubt he will be part of Australia’s 2020 T20 World Cup campaign at home.

But the answers to the other two questions are in play. Is he the right man to captain?

“It’s up to Steve,” Warner said yesterday. “If he thinks his workloads are too high and he doesn’t feel like he can do that, then I’m sure he’ll put his hand up and step aside.”

As for the team, where does Smith bat? Who makes way?

He won’t replace Warner and Short’s best position is opener, having cracked a BBLrecord 572 runs this summer.

Lynn became the first player to hit 100 BBL sixes, so how could you not select him?

Maxwell is a matchwinner, and Finch has scored 56 unbeaten runs off 19 balls in his new position at No.5.

Maybe it is No.6 Marcus Stoinis who makes way, but that weakens the bowling.

It’s a tricky situation — fancy having trouble fitting in the world’s best batsman

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« 2018-Feb-22, 08:27 AM Reply #29 »
No problem,

Simpley accept the fact the best batsmen is not the best slogger.

In punting it is a combination of mahematical ability AND psychology that sorts out the pros from the wannabes and we are seeing a bit of that here in cricket in its own way.

Smith is unmatched in the combination of factors required for test cricket but actual game results in the slogfest form show he does not make the team.

Selectors should make the psychological adjustment and rest easy with it. for now they are only half way down the road to seeing this.

Even Packer himself, years ago, noted the trouble test cricketers had in adapting to limited overs cricket.

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« 2018-Mar-01, 09:20 PM Reply #30 »
Watching Smith bat in South Africa I reflected on his batting and thought how does he compare to Bradman. I googled the number of sixes Bradman hit in his test career....six
On that statistic alone I doubt Bradman, like Smith , would never have been a champion T20 player, where a player must have the ability to hit sides with regularity.
Both , of course, have proven themselves as champion test players, but T20 does or would not suit their style of batting

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« 2018-Mar-01, 10:07 PM Reply #31 »
Sometimes it is a necessity to debunk a pile of garbage.  Bubba your time has come. Bradman believed that if you don't hit the ball in the air you eliminate the major dismissal of first class players  ie - caught. Pretty straightforward isn't it. I believe he regularly gave this advice to the best batsmen in the World. Not to mention he batted on full cricket ovals without the silly ropes being in 25 metres so the modern day player hits many more 4's and 6's with a hunk of timber the Don would only have dreamed of.

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« 2018-Mar-02, 09:31 AM Reply #32 »
Watching Smith bat in South Africa I reflected on his batting and thought how does he compare to Bradman. I googled the number of sixes Bradman hit in his test career....six
On that statistic alone I doubt Bradman, like Smith , would never have been a champion T20 player, where a player must have the ability to hit sides with regularity.
Both , of course, have proven themselves as champion test players, but T20 does or would not suit their style of batting

It is interesting you bring that up.

It pains me to do this but gunbower is correct.

So many T20 batters get out to stupid shots and unnecessary flailing of the willow, I wonder if someday a batter will decide his best way to score is to hit more 4s than 6s keeping the ball along the ground ?


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« 2018-Mar-02, 09:31 AM Reply #33 »
Sometimes it is a necessity to debunk a pile of garbage.  Bubba your time has come. Bradman believed that if you don't hit the ball in the air you eliminate the major dismissal of first class players  ie - caught. Pretty straightforward isn't it. I believe he regularly gave this advice to the best batsmen in the World. Not to mention he batted on full cricket ovals without the silly ropes being in 25 metres so the modern day player hits many more 4's and 6's with a hunk of timber the Don would only have dreamed of.

I have no reason to doubt that assumption, but have you any evidence that caught out is the major way of dismissal as against bowled out ?

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« 2018-Mar-02, 09:32 AM Reply #34 »
Just on Smith and his captaincy, Is he making more public comment about players than we would have previously heard in the past, things that would have ordinarily and expectedly been kept in house ?

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« 2018-Mar-02, 09:33 AM Reply #35 »
Maxwell certainly copped it from Smith.

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« 2018-Mar-02, 10:03 AM Reply #36 »
Just on Smith and his captaincy, Is he making more public comment about players than we would have previously heard in the past, things that would have ordinarily and expectedly been kept in house ?

O'Reilly and Fingleton certainly copped it from Bradman.

Matthews certainly copped it from Border.

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« 2018-Mar-02, 10:53 AM Reply #37 »
Were they clashes about form and technique ?

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« 2018-Mar-02, 11:45 AM Reply #38 »
Bubba interesting point you raise about methods of dismissal in first class cricket. My assertion was that the most common method at that level is caught. I think if you looked at the under 8's it would be bowled. Anyway I thought that I would look at the recently concluded ashes series. I can tell you there were 147 dismissals between the two teams. The break up is interesting.
Caught-            92
LBW    -            31
Bowled-           17
Run Out-           5
Stumped-          2
Total-             147
Obviously this is just one series but it is probably a pretty fair guide. As  the Don said all those years ago ; If you keep the ball on the ground you eliminate the major form of dismissal.

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« 2018-Mar-02, 01:52 PM Reply #39 »
Were they clashes about form and technique ?
Certainly not with Bradman, it was religious.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 05:13 AM Reply #40 »
Well  the chickens have come home to roost. Cameron Bancroft, a "veteran" of seven prior tests has been made the patsy for Steve Smith and the "leadership group " ( Smith, Warner + ? ) to tamper with the ball in the current test match in South Africa.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/third-test-possible-ball-tampering-footage-shows-cameron-bancroft-moving-an-object-from-his-pocket-to-his-underpants/news-story/75b6b7374a5bbde7421409ba83e11d3f

One wonders how many times this has gone on previously and are we to believe, according to Smith, never ? It reminds he of the pregnant young girl who told her parents, she fell pregnant the first time she had sex.


As I have previously posted I have had issues with Smith's captaincy of the Australian test side. I have made mention that ,although he is a great batsman, I felt he was not a good captain. Now that he has admitted he encouraged, most likely instructed, a novice player, on his behalf, to cheat, I believe he should, together with Warner + ?, be stood down not only from a so called "leadership group" but from Australian cricket.What with the team's reputation as sledgers, under Smith's reign, it further justifies his removal as captain, if not a period of suspension.
This action by Smith is no doubt a blight on Australian cricket but if one in future travels overseas supporting an Australian team we will always be referred to as cheaters.....the Barmy Army will make mince meat out of this. 
It has been said Australian cricket has not stooped this low since G Chappell got his brother to bowl underarm, however that was morally wrong but not illegal, this episode is plain cheating.
Smith, Bancroft , Warner + ? all gone
New captain, Paine
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« 2018-Mar-25, 06:21 AM Reply #41 »
Hmmm,

Have to agree - next plane home for all of them.

Disgraced and out of representaton for this country for good. - not just a match or two.

The barmy army has every right to sledge the convicts now and as long as this lot remain in the team.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 07:21 AM Reply #42 »
Horrible stuff. Has to be stood down and I hate how Smith blames the leadership group. Buck passing at its best

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« 2018-Mar-25, 08:40 AM Reply #43 »
Well  the chickens have come home to roost. Cameron Bancroft, a "veteran" of seven prior tests has been made the patsy for Steve Smith and the "leadership group " ( Smith, Warner + ? ) to tamper with the ball in the current test match in South Africa




👍 Ron.   The Smith supporters are quiet

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« 2018-Mar-25, 08:41 AM Reply #44 »
Disgusting behaviour.This has to be one of the worst moments in Australian sport. An Australian captain admits to cheating  and his leadership group was behind it. That effectively means that this behaviour could be running deep within the team.

The other question is Lehman.  Smith says he was not involved. So are we to believe that the leadership group went to a corner and discussed the ball tampering and thus they don’t include their coach in all aspects of decision making during a match. If so is this an indication that the coach has no control over the team or its tactics.

It is cheating at its worst. Smith should be rubbed out for a while as Bancroft probably drew the short straw. The hypocrisy is now laid bare and unfortunately every time Australia says anything in the future about their opponents  “pantsgate” will be brought up.

Sutherland will be furious as the tv rights are up for negotiations and the news state the free to air tv offer was too low. Now he has to sell the notion that viewers and sponsors will clamoribg to support the  cricket team and its captain.


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« 2018-Mar-25, 08:50 AM Reply #45 »
👍 Ron.   The Smith supporters are quiet


  and this is the bloke who laid into Maxwell due to his attitude. Nominates, a patsy to do his dirty work, will not name who is in his "leadership" group and says it will not happen in a team he captains again....he should never captain again, if play. Does anyone for a moment believe Bancroft, having just begun a test career, would volunteer to ball tamper ? No, he was coerced into it by others on their multi million contracts in Australia and in the IPL..These were the same blokes who threatened to strike for more pay.
Sack them all, and get a representative side from all states not just from a NSW clique.
In years gone by AFL footballers used to rub resin on their hands on wet days so that it was easier to mark the ball, I wonder whether some of the Australians fielding in slips do the same to hold catches ? Just who fields in slip ..guess who ?
 
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« 2018-Mar-25, 10:08 AM Reply #46 »
Smith, like Damien Oliver before him, suggests this was the "first time".

Twitter this morning has offered up footage of Bancroft (during the Ashes) scooping teaspoons of sugar into his left hand then placing sugar into his pocket....

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« 2018-Mar-25, 10:54 AM Reply #47 »
Well, there's your first mistake on the thread.

I've read no further expecting nothing better of a biased Vic assessing a NSW skipper.

Any thoughts JWH ?

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« 2018-Mar-25, 10:54 AM Reply #48 »
An Australian cricket captain admits he was instrumental in organizing an episode of cheating in a Test Match and declares that he won't be standing down. Of course he shouldn't need to worry about it. The Board should have by now  sacked him and organized his flight home. Gee I wonder what the "Don " and Richie would have made of this fool.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 10:58 AM Reply #49 »
Doesn't really matter if Boof knew before the fact .... he was the one that sent out the message to Bancroft to hide the tape.  emthdown

Be interesting to see what transpires.

I think Smith's comments about we've never done it before, promise we won't do it again, I can still Captain so let's move on are very far removed from what the public will demand.

I think this lot think Australia's reverence and respect for the baggy green automatically flows to them as individuals.

Well we need to show them they have disgraced the cap and are no longer fit to wear it.




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