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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:03 AM Reply #50 »
Hope there is clause in their IPL contracts, due to this cheating and hopefully suspension or even better disqualification, that enables their franchise in India to sack them. Hit them in the pocket where it hurts.Smith & Warner were both on contacts of $2 million +.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:06 AM Reply #51 »
Dreadful episode.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:15 AM Reply #52 »
James Sutherland, head of Cricket Australia, said he was "disappointed & shocked" with the events overnight in South Africa. He is sending the head of integrity of CA to fly straight away to South Africa to follow up.
What,no immediate suspension :what: :what: :what:
Sutherland believes they do not have all the evidence, he must be kidding, they use video evidence for appealing umpiring decisions, yet do not accept the video of this ball tampering.
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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:19 AM Reply #53 »
"Have you spoken to Steve Smith"

"Not yet"

Really. Joke from the top down.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:26 AM Reply #54 »
I heard of this at 5am, yet Sutherland has not spoken to Smith in the 7 hours since then, come on pull my other leg !

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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:29 AM Reply #55 »
Hmmm,

Give the board their few days - they don't know how many need to be sacked just yet.

My bet is they will sack the leadership group but need to find out the names.... and of course any others involved too.

Fours

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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:30 AM Reply #56 »
Sutherland's public response is entirely appropriate.

Worst result is he mouths off or proclaims guilt and the players involved get off on appeal because some arbitration commission finds they were denied natural justice.


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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:38 AM Reply #57 »
Opinion piece in Fairfax press, but could be from any reasonable person

At least the underarm episode - back in 1981 - was technically legal and something that happened in the heat of the moment, a desperate last-ball-of-the-day ploy ordered by Australian captain Greg Chappell at a time when, by his own admission, he was not “mentally fit,” to be the skipper.
The horror of what happened in South Africa overnight was just how our national cricketing leadership could engage in such cold-blooded, premeditated, clear-eyed CHEATING.
Seriously? It has come to this? We really have an Australian cricket captain, of vast experience, surrounded by a leadership group equally steeped in the lore and laws of the ancient game, and he not only orders a junior member of the team to tamper with the ball, but not one person in the group spoke up and said the bleeding bloody obvious:

•   It’s wrong! It is not only against the spirit of the game, but is so far the other side of the laws of the game, it’s nudging up against the murder of cricket.

•   It’s stupid – not surface stupid, but stupid that goes right to the bone! We are in an arena with thirty cameras rolling, and we will be caught! I don’t think this is such a great idea, you know, Skip?

•   Say, if we win because of this, did you consider how we will manage to get to sleep for the next ten years? We are the heirs of Victor Trumper, Don Bradman, Keith Miller, Richie Benaud, Bobby Simpson, Adam Gilchrist . . . and yet we’re really going to use something other than our skill and guile to win the game?
But no, clearly, not only did Steve Smith put the idea out there, but no-one around him spoke up.
Smith – before he resigns – has some questions to answer.
Take your pick:
•   WHAT WERE YOU THNKING, YOU IDIOT?
You hold this position of extraordinary honour, traditionally thought of as the most prestigious behind the Prime Ministership – notwithstanding John Howard’s view that it was the other way around – and you actually thought that the advantage gained by such flagrant cheating stood up against the risk you took of destroying your own good name, that of all the players involved, and your country? DID WE MENTION? WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?
•   Why was Cameron Bancroft, the least experienced Test player in the team the one who was told to do the dirty?
This was the equivalent of a Sergeant, being told by a General, to breach the rules of the Geneva Convention. The Sergeant is at fault, and no mistake, but it is the General who is truly responsible.
If you thought this was such a great idea, Steve Smith, why didn’t you, or someone else in the leadership group do it? Have you heard of a leader never asking one of their charges to do something that they are not prepared to do themselves? Well, why the hell didn’t you do it?
So where to, from here? There are only two choices.
Smith's legacy has been unquestionably tarnished.
Smith must either – as discussed – resign, or he must be sacked from the captaincy. No ifs, no buts, no weasel words about “we have learned our lesson, and will come back from this," etc.
He has to apologise and step down from the captaincy, and if he does not, then Cricket Australia must sack him.
As to who the new captain should be, clearly it is no-one in the leadership group that knew of what was going on.
Either they can find someone in the team of sufficient seniority and is a clean-skin to do the job, or they must bring in someone from outside – perhaps a Sheffield Shield captain, given the task of captaining the side and restoring the country’s reputation. Or even Michael Clarke, called on to do a “Bobby Simpson,” to come back for a cameo captaincy stint.
Either way, as a nation, our name has been slurred, and as a nation, we must be seen to react.
The first step is: Smith must go.



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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:47 AM Reply #58 »
Sutherland not speaking to Smith yet is interesting but the question that should have been asked is has he spoken to anyone in South Africa.

I think most fans want to know who this elite group of “leaders” comprises of?

Sutherland was also quite smart in where he conducted the conference and then walking away. Like Oliver, it must be treated as a first offence for Smith unless proven otherwise even though it istretches credulity.




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« 2018-Mar-25, 11:57 AM Reply #59 »
Are people going a little overboard here and everywhere ?

Atherton now one on the finest Cricket writers in the business was caught ball tampering.

Faf du Plessis has been done twice for ball tampering.

Tendulker the patron saint of Indian cricker has been caught as well.

None of those people are defined by their ball tampering.

Smith and Lehman need to be punished and punished severely, Smith should lose the Captaincy but I think people seem to be getting a little too hysterical.

 

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« 2018-Mar-25, 12:30 PM Reply #60 »
Be interested to hear what Ian Chappell reckons.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 12:40 PM Reply #61 »
Are people going a little overboard here and everywhere ?

Atherton now one on the finest Cricket writers in the business was caught ball tampering.

Faf du Plessis has been done twice for ball tampering.

Tendulker the patron saint of Indian cricker has been caught as well.

None of those people are defined by their ball tampering.

Smith and Lehman need to be punished and punished severely, Smith should lose the Captaincy but I think people seem to be getting a little too hysterical.

At least they all did it themselves - they didn't get someone else to do the dirty work.

And no I don't think we are over reacting just because others have been caught cheating.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 12:55 PM Reply #62 »
We're talking about a position which is probably the most revered in Australian sport.

It doesn't matter what's happened to players from other countries ...... as I said I think the Australian public will stand up and make it quite clear to the players and administrators what is expected of an Australian Test Cricket Captain and what should happen when that position is denigrated in such a fashion.




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« 2018-Mar-25, 12:57 PM Reply #63 »
Question :Why was Cameron Bancroft, the least experienced Test player in the team the one who was told to do the dirty?
This was the equivalent of a Sergeant, being told by a General, to breach the rules of the Geneva Convention. The Sergeant is at fault, and no mistake, but it is the General who is truly responsible
Answer. They needed a "patsy" as they had multi million dollar contracts to protect.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 01:00 PM Reply #64 »
On a side note, I think we're might get a very interesting Alan Border Medal winner this year.

Perhaps an appropriate response would be to suspend the medal this year.


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« 2018-Mar-25, 01:10 PM Reply #65 »
A player is ineligible for the Brownlow Medal if they are suspended during the football season.Smith would have been 'odds on' prior to his upcoming suspension . If others are suspended from the "leadership group", it certainly would open up the betting.Any thoughts ? Maxwell  :chin: :chin:

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« 2018-Mar-25, 01:11 PM Reply #66 »
With a meat head like warner in the leadership group, who is really surprised

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« 2018-Mar-25, 01:46 PM Reply #67 »
I was an Essendon member when the drug story broke.  I couldn't believe how stupid they were. In the scale of things Essendon were/are minnows .  I can't believe the national cricket team could be so stupid. The Russians would have refused to cooperate, denied it, and then bought loyalty.  I lost my faith in humankind (sport politics and business) a long tome ago.  The mountain doesn't go to Mohammed  - the relevant players should have been directed to come home and explain.  Sutherland has wimped it.  Don't know how you can win a test match after admitting to cheating during the course of a game.  The South Africans should call off the game if the Australians don't concede.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 02:12 PM Reply #68 »
The South Africans should call off the game if the Australians don't concede.

Probably fighting fire with fire . .

Especially when they are in the 'box-seat'



"Even with all your cheating, we still beat you!!" . .  :bleh:

Much more satisfying . .  :whistle:

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« 2018-Mar-25, 02:25 PM Reply #69 »
Don't know how you can win a test match after admitting to cheating during the course of a game.  The South Africans should call off the game if the Australians don't concede.

South Africa are hardly  the moral guardian of cricket.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 04:35 PM Reply #70 »
Yes, a fine batsman.  Of course he never had to face the might of a real W Indies side.


Or a rabid Pakistani one either.   



As a captain, I think he acts like a 12 year old.   Very immature.


And because he does, the chickens come home to roost.


Saw it a long way off.


Authorized is right though.  Rabada shouldn't even be playing in this game. 


But two wrongs don't make a right.  Smith should be sacked as captain immediately. 

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« 2018-Mar-25, 05:28 PM Reply #71 »
Leadership Group ? Just watched the reaction of Lehman when the video of ball tampering was picked up by South African television, his look says it all.

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« 2018-Mar-25, 05:32 PM Reply #72 »
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« 2018-Mar-25, 05:43 PM Reply #73 »
Arthur - I accept that you're allowed to gloat provided your AFL team has not been involved in drugs or salary cap cheating (whoever they maybe).  I have not renewed my Essendon membership since and I was a paid up member for decades.  it was disgraceful and I will never forgive Hird and co.  I have worked for a large organization and you hear all the dirt sooner or later.  To think that someone senior in a footy club with very few employees did not know or check what was going on in an 'industrial' scale is laughable - ditto all team sports. 

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« 2018-Mar-25, 06:32 PM Reply #74 »
Steve Smith and Dave Warner have stood down as Captain and Vice Captain for the remainder of this match.

Tim Paine leads the side.



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