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Offline dean

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« 2017-Mar-20, 08:09 PM Reply #10150 »
I am sure Ian is a lovely bloke

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« 2017-Mar-20, 08:47 PM Reply #10151 »
Handscomb is the next captain.

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« 2017-Mar-21, 09:16 PM Reply #10152 »
Don't want to jinx him but Handscomb is doing a marvelous job trying to save the test.   :noteworthy:  

It's great that a Vic has finally stepped up to the plate.   emthup  


Helped tremendously by a West Aussie.  Not a NSW player to be seen. 

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« 2017-Mar-27, 01:58 PM Reply #10153 »

Australia v India Test series 2017: Does cricket really need to continue using the term 'chinaman'?

Andrew Wu 
Published: March 27, 2017 - 2:08PM

PC f***wit, idiot, f***ing idiot, ponce, attention-seeker, snowflake, cancer, pretend victim.

Now that the name-calling's out of the way, let's have an adult discussion.

Cricket has a problem. Not a major problem, perhaps even what social media types like to call a first-world problem. But a problem nevertheless.

Cricket has many quirky and whimsical terms, the origins of which even many tragics of the game would struggle to explain. Fielding positions like silly mid-off, third man, fine leg and cow corner (in an unofficial capacity) are but a few.

They are part of the rich fabric of the sport, and may they live on for as long as cricket is played. With the exception of one - the "chinaman".

It's not a term that is commonly heard in cricket, but one that will get a lot of air play this week after spinner Kuldeep Yadav's dream start to his Test career for India.

Why? Because he is what is known in the game as a "chinaman" bowler - a left-arm spinner who turns the ball back into the right-handed batsman.

Uncomfortable at how often and insensitively the term was being used after Kuldeep's efforts, this correspondent challenged cricket to get rid of the racially offensive term. It met a mixed response on Twitter, which fell broadly into three categories:

- support from those who can see its racist overtones;

- curiosity from those wanting to learn;

- and streams of abuse from those outraged that I was upset by something they deemed innocuous.

It wasn't long before the accusations of double standards -  due to my failure to condemn other cricket terms like short leg (it supposedly upsets amputees), flipper (dolphins), swinger (monogamous married men) and yorker (apparently Yorkshire is up in arms about it) - began to arrive.

I'll put my hand up and say I have used the term "going Irish" to denote reverse swing, but no longer do after receiving a complaint a few years back. And I'll happily say Je suis desole if there is justifiable cause to shelve the "French cut".

Others told me to concentrate my energy towards worthier causes like ending world poverty and stopping ISIS, though I am humble enough to accept I do not have the expertise to solve those issues.

There were also calls for Chinaman to be seen as a term of endearment due to the difficulty of the delivery, except its origin in cricket came not out of respect but disbelief that an Englishman could lose his wicket to a Chinese.

The term joined the cricket vernacular after a Test between England and West Indies at Old Trafford in 1933, when Ellis "Puss" Achong, a left-arm finger-spinner (orthodox) and the first Test cricketer of Chinese ancestry, dismissed English batsman Walter Robins with wrist-spin.

According to legend, as Robins walked back to the pavilion, he said ,"Fancy being done by a bloody Chinaman". It has stuck ever since.

The term Chinaman has historically been used in a contemptuous manner to describe the Chinese, whereas its equivalents - Englishman, Frenchman, Dutchman - have not. Hands up those who would dare call their Chinese colleague a "ching chong Chinaman"?

Similarly, it's why an Australian can be called an Aussie, but a Pakistani cannot be referred to as a "Paki" or an Aboriginal as an ... I think you catch the drift.

It's worth noting there are some of Chinese descent who do not find it objectionable. Fine, but that does not mean others should not, either.

The term is not used in a disparaging manner in the context of cricket, but that alone is not justification for its continued use. It's just as well Robins did not bemoan being dismissed by a "chink".

A simple solution would be for the craft to be known as left-arm wrist-spin, in recognition of it being bowled with the left arm and the wrists being used to generate the spin.

Or how about re-naming the delivery the Achong, in honour, rather than dishonour, of the bowler who has not been given due credit in cricket folklore?

Now to find a path to world peace.

Andrew Wu is a cricket writer for Fairfax Media. He was born in Australia and is proud of his Chinese heritage



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« 2017-Mar-27, 02:11 PM Reply #10154 »
There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch.

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« 2017-Mar-27, 02:38 PM Reply #10155 »
What's the other one?

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« 2017-Mar-27, 03:43 PM Reply #10156 »
  :biggrin:

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« 2017-Aug-30, 08:16 PM Reply #10157 »
Gee I am glad that pay dispute with our Aussie cricketers has been resolved and they are now getting what they think they are worth.
Trust Bangladesh are getting more because they are better than our overpaid clowns. Captain Smith has said Today that he has on his "bucket list " a wish to beat India at home in 2021. I have got to ask the question as to why he can't lower his sights a little and see if he can split a series with Bangladesh in 2017. What a mob of imposters .

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« 2017-Aug-30, 09:15 PM Reply #10158 »
Australia lost to Bangladesh and England lost to to the Windies.

At least the Ashes will be competitive.

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« 2017-Sep-05, 06:22 PM Reply #10159 »
As Australia is currently playing tests in Bangladesh I decided to check the populations of some of the countries that play test cricket
India : 1.3 billion
Pakistan :193 million
England : 53 million ( UK 65 million)
South Africa: 53.9  million
Australia :24 million
Sri Lanka :21 million
New Zealand : 4.6 million
and
Bangladesh 163 million
From those populations I was surprised that Bangladesh, until the last few years. has had little impact as a cricket power

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« 2017-Sep-05, 06:48 PM Reply #10160 »
As Australia is currently playing tests in Bangladesh I decided to check the populations of some of the countries that play test cricket
India : 1.3 billion
Pakistan :193 million
England : 53 million ( UK 65 million)
South Africa: 53.9  million
Australia :24 million
Sri Lanka :21 million
New Zealand : 4.6 million
and
Bangladesh 163 million
From those populations I was surprised that Bangladesh, until the last few years. has had little impact as a cricket power

the next question is
how many people in those countries play cricket ?

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« 2017-Sep-05, 06:51 PM Reply #10161 »
Yes, but I would bet more people play cricket in Bangladesh than those that play in New Zealand.

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« 2017-Sep-05, 06:56 PM Reply #10162 »
Probably not in the same conditions and infrastructure.


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« 2017-Sep-06, 03:57 AM Reply #10163 »
And probably not the same accent.


Shut, he's putched ut up, I've had a swush, and it's hut the wuckets! 


Verses.  Oh dear.  It is patently obvious I am now to be walking!




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« 2017-Dec-20, 08:41 AM Reply #10164 »
Go Watto  :no1:
Secured $35 as top run scorer for the BBL :clap2:


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« 2017-Dec-20, 12:08 PM Reply #10165 »
Although the Big Bash is entertaining, does anyone know more than 4 players in each side before the Big Bash starts ?.

I do not know how any person can show that much loyalty to any side when players jump from one side to another and from city to city each season. One year they are playing for a Tassie side then in the next season they are playing for another side interstate. Guess it is all about the dollar.

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« 2017-Dec-20, 12:22 PM Reply #10166 »
Ahemmm,

I barely follow cricket now because there are too many versions.

Fours

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« 2017-Dec-20, 12:57 PM Reply #10167 »
Ahemmm,

I barely follow cricket now because there are too many versions.

Fours

What about French cricket or tipperty run in the back yard, when over the fence is out ?

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« 2018-Jan-27, 09:16 AM Reply #10168 »
If that crack young spin bowler Lloyd Pope ever wants to play cricket for Australia , he better move to NSW. :beer:

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« 2018-Jan-27, 12:08 PM Reply #10169 »
Or WA
They let pie throwers like Marsh bowl first change :shutup:

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« 2018-Feb-10, 07:53 PM Reply #10170 »
Warner's run out of Malan was the best I've ever seen.

 :no1: :no1: :no1:

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« 2018-Feb-11, 04:45 AM Reply #10171 »
Twas an absolute beauty. 

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« 2018-Mar-05, 06:29 PM Reply #10172 »
Is Warner the biggest :censored: to ever have played for Australia ?

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« 2018-Mar-05, 07:19 PM Reply #10173 »
Bubba I think you are on to something there. Honourable mentions to Greg Matthews and Stuart McGill though.

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« 2018-Mar-06, 03:10 PM Reply #10174 »
Marsh brothers went alright.    :whistle:


Bubs.  Leopards don't change their spots.  Warner has been coached to the nth degree in how to behave.


He is still a complete twat and always will be. 


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