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Offline Jeunes

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« 2019-Aug-26, 07:36 AM Reply #10925 »
Agree Kicker. Stokes has played two of the greatest innings in ODI (World Cup) and Test Cricket we have ever seen.

There are batsmen who scored much higher but the pressure would not be there.

Australia choked with one of the worst DRS reviews I have ever seen. Blaming the umpire for a no call lbw decision is absurd as that is what DRS is for. Lyons dropping the run our chance will scar him if England go on and win the Ashes.

However the main culprits for the loss again are the batsmen. You cannot expect our bowlers to constantly get us out of trouble when our top 3 have only scored one 50 in 18 innings.

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« 2019-Aug-26, 11:23 AM Reply #10926 »
Horrendous choke from the Aussies, deserved to get beaten. The LBW review, with 8 runs to win, that clearly pitched outside leg was the WORST review I've seen and a clear sign of desperation. Next over, Lyons only has to catch the ball and knock the stumps over for an easy run out and botches it. Next ball he has Stokes plumb LBW that gets turned down but of course they have no reviews left. Full credit to Stokes. One of the best Test digs you will see, brilliant.
Perfectly put. I agree wholeheartedly. I was swearing at the tv when they went for that ridiculous review. Paine got what he deserved with a plumb lbw turned down.

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« 2019-Aug-26, 03:59 PM Reply #10927 »
Brilliant game of cricket.  I enjoyed every minute of it. 
Superb batting by Stokes who brought all the skills of limited overs cricket and applied them to win the Test match.  Like Botham's innings at Leeds 38 years ago Stokes' innings will live for a long time in my memory.
Australia had every chance to win and couldn't close it out but they played some outstanding cricket along the way.   :clap2:  all round.

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« 2019-Aug-26, 03:59 PM Reply #10928 »
Set aside Stokes wonderful knock and some poor execution from the Aussies for a moment, doesn't this highlight the flaws of the DRS though?

It was brought in to stop the howler yet here we have a howler getting through because of the ridiculous system of losing 'reviews'

Take all LBWs out of the players hands, send them all upstairs for checking (they do for run outs without an issue) it seems to be less than a minute these days so it's hardly a hold up, the only thing we need to clarify is what or how much of the ball needs to be showing hitting the stumps, ala hawkeye in the tennis which is mm perfect - in or out.

If you remove the LBW then the only real challenges left are if a fielder claims a catch and the batsmen disputes it or caught behind edges (hitting or not)

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« 2019-Aug-26, 04:06 PM Reply #10929 »
If every time an appeal for LBW was referred to the TV umpire we would have interminable delays.

I have no issue with the challenge system as unlike some other sports (eg NFL) a successful challenge does not reduce the available remaining ones.

It is simply part of the game now and the ridiculous challenge earlier was the reason a howler could not be overturned

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« 2019-Aug-26, 04:48 PM Reply #10930 »
I agree with Gin.

There could be fines imposed on all in the team and coaching staff should there be "howler" of appeals if there did appear to be ridiculous appeals.


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« 2019-Aug-26, 04:52 PM Reply #10931 »
Unlimited referrals but Every wrong referral could be punished by a loss of 5 runs?

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« 2019-Aug-26, 05:22 PM Reply #10932 »
I disagree Sobig, water would find it's own level so I doubt there would be too much delay.

Regardless the current system doesn't solve the reason it was brought in  :shutup:

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« 2019-Aug-26, 06:01 PM Reply #10933 »
At the end of the day, we would not be talking about this if we won. We choked and if the top 3 scored 50 more runs, we would have won.

LBW used to be more contentious without the DRS. Now we want even more because we lost due to our captain making a stupid referral. The DRS was to stop howlers but if teams use them for bad referrals, that is not the fault of the lawmakers.

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« 2019-Aug-26, 07:19 PM Reply #10934 »
Paine would not be playing, let alone be captain, if Smith had not been suspended as captain. He has stuffed up numerous reviews, which, as wicketkeeper, he is should be in the best position to challenge the umpires' decisions.
The umpires in this series would have to be the worst group I have ever seen,although in the past they were not subject to the same scrutiny as they are today, so maybe cricket umpiring was just as bad in the past, as technology is used to verify decisions in the current era

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« 2019-Aug-26, 07:22 PM Reply #10935 »
I agree Bubba on all counts.

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« 2019-Aug-26, 08:25 PM Reply #10936 »
At the end of the day, we would not be talking about this if we won. We choked and if the top 3 scored 50 more runs, we would have won.

LBW used to be more contentious without the DRS. Now we want even more because we lost due to our captain making a stupid referral. The DRS was to stop howlers but if teams use them for bad referrals, that is not the fault of the lawmakers.

..... but Jeunes you and I grew up when we accepted the umpires decision, yes they made mistakes but that was part of the game, now we have technology and we're still allowing mistakes 'as they have used their reviews' it just seems daft to not get it right all the time. Currently we're stuck somewhere in the middle so we either need to fix it or get rid of it and go back to the way it was.

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« 2019-Aug-26, 08:46 PM Reply #10937 »
..... but Jeunes you and I grew up when we accepted the umpires decision, yes they made mistakes but that was part of the game, now we have technology and we're still allowing mistakes 'as they have used their reviews' it just seems daft to not get it right all the time. Currently we're stuck somewhere in the middle so we either need to fix it or get rid of it and go back to the way it was.

Gin, you hit the nail on the head. We used to accept the umpire’s decision in regards to sports. In elite level, with the technology the countless replays etc mistakes are magnified. RL is a prime example of this while Soccer introduced the VAR etc.


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« 2019-Aug-26, 09:08 PM Reply #10938 »
Guys I agree with what you are saying about the historical nature of the umpire's call . These umpires Today are part of a so called elite panel. They are highly paid and travel the World getting very well remunerated for their endeavours.  I personally know how the ICC will summon them to Dubai ; just for an afternoon meeting -all expenses paid by the way. Forget about the technology.  If the umpire was competent in this Test , Stokes was on his way. As an old umpire I know that if a third grade umpire had made that call then you would be flat out getting approved for a Church League fixture in the future. If the umpire was watching the ball , how the hell could you give it not out. Only two possibilities.

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« 2019-Aug-27, 09:24 PM Reply #10939 »
Two?  :chin:

Blind or corrupt?

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« 2019-Sep-04, 08:19 PM Reply #10940 »
Warner fails again. Is he one innings away from being dropped for the last test.

I think he will get picked for the tests in Australia even if he fails in the next innings or gets dropped as he will do better in Australia.

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« 2019-Sep-04, 08:28 PM Reply #10941 »
He needs to go to his rightful position @ #6 and just go the tonk

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« 2019-Sep-04, 08:48 PM Reply #10942 »
If these 2 hang around there’s plenty of runs in this pitch

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« 2019-Sep-06, 07:32 AM Reply #10943 »
Well, they hung around  :clap2: what a marvel Smith is :clap2:

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« 2019-Sep-06, 09:52 AM Reply #10944 »
He certainly is a marvel but why the hell did he need to play that reverse sweep? :what:

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« 2019-Sep-06, 10:02 AM Reply #10945 »
After a double ton I’d be doing a half pike with it as well  :lol:

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« 2019-Sep-08, 07:44 AM Reply #10946 »
Great cricket last night. Wonderful to see Warner fall to Broad again.
Reminds me of old Dennis Amiss  :lol:

In saying that, what the hell do we do next test with the openers?
Burns back in?

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« 2019-Sep-08, 08:07 AM Reply #10947 »
Great to see Smith and Warner back in this fourth test, 293 runs between them and so far 3 slips catches.  ;) ;)

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« 2019-Sep-08, 09:16 AM Reply #10948 »
Warner will be back - "Don't you worry about that."

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« 2019-Sep-08, 09:38 AM Reply #10949 »
Warner will be back - "Don't you worry about that."
Will we see the back of him in the next test ?


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