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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Oct-02, 07:50 PM
ONE BALL SAM HERE’S something to chew on next time you hesitantly open your wallet for a dozen new golf balls. When Sam Snead won the 1945 LA Open he used one golf ball for the entire tournament. That’s right, one golf ball for all four rounds. “You couldn’t get a ball then,” Snead said of the rubber shortage. “I was paying $100 a dozen.” Bing Crosby (American singer and actor) gave me a ball, a Spalding Dot, and I played it throughout the tournament. “The cover was loose, but it kept going.

Quite incredible that Sam Snead could go 72 holes using a Spalding Hot Dot ......they're still around but are generally regarded as "rocks"


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Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-02, 09:43 PM
What’s considered the best ball?
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Oct-03, 07:34 PM
Titleist is marketed as the number 1# ball and is favoured by most of the pros....Tiger uses Bridgestone ...Phil Callaway ...many pros are paid to use the sponsor's product ....for hackers like me the low compression balls are best Srixon soft feel.... Callaway supersoft or chrome are very good  most balls these days are pretty good...even those I find in the creek scrub up pretty well. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Skybeau on 2018-Oct-03, 09:12 PM
Titleist is marketed as the number 1# ball and is favoured by most of the pros....Tiger uses Bridgestone ...Phil Callaway ...many pros are paid to use the sponsor's product ....for hackers like me the low compression balls are best Srixon soft feel.... Callaway supersoft or chrome are very good  most balls these days are pretty good...even those I find in the creek scrub up pretty well. :thumbsup:

I've only hit Z Stars, but they are like rocks, I hate them.  Partial to Prov 1x's or TP5.  I saw some SEED balls in the Golf Clearance Outlet and they have some pretty good reviews on them.  Might be my next ball once I run out of the ones in my bag now.
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Post by: ratsack on 2018-Oct-03, 09:47 PM
bit of a hacker myself , but I like Callaway chrome soft
2nd hand from Golf warehouse
4 doz for $68 free post
I also got 100 B quality Titleist Prov 1x for $134
not so good , most went in the bush or the water  lol
( all jokes aside the quality wasn't the same , as expected )

overall for a hacker like me , the 2nd hand CCS  are very good value when you play a course like mine
front 9 all bush , 2nd 9 all water

hope this helps 

google my course if you wish ?

Pacific Dunes Medowie / Port Stephens 
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Post by: ratsack on 2018-Oct-03, 09:59 PM

hopefully this works    lol
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Post by: ratsack on 2018-Oct-03, 10:40 PM

maybe this one lol   
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Post by: ratsack on 2018-Oct-03, 10:43 PM
let me know Arsenal ?

thanks mate 
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Oct-04, 09:28 AM
Rats, I tried to get on recently but they were booked out. Ended up playing at Nelson Bay
Very enjoyable course especially with all the Roos lounging around.
It was in great nick :thumbsup:
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Post by: specialweek2 on 2018-Oct-04, 12:58 PM

hopefully this works    lol

Wouldn't mind living there but perhaps a bit in the boonies.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Oct-04, 05:43 PM
An ugly scene on Friday morning at the Ryder Cup, when a woman in the gallery at Le Golf National was hit in the face with a tee shot from Brooks Koepka, has taken a grim turn. Corine Remande, a 49-year-old from Egypt, told Agence France-Presse that she has lost sight in her right eye as a result of the accident.

“It happened so fast, I didn’t feel any pain when I was hit,” Remande told the press agency. “I didn’t feel like the ball had struck my eye and then I felt the blood start to pour.”
The result, she said, was a fracture in the right eye-socket and damage directly to the eye, which doctors, according to Remande, could not repair.

Remande was in the gallery on the par-4 sixth hole during the morning four-ball session, when Koepka, paired with Tony Finau in the first match, pulled his drive. Koepka and others on the tee yelled to alert spectators of the errant shot, but with the massive galleries in attendance (an estimated 50,000 spectators on Friday), the warning cries may well have been for naught.

RELATED: Brooks Koepka still shaken after hitting spectator at Ryder Cup

Koepka at first was unaware that anyone was hit until he got closer to his ball. Once there, he saw volunteers attending to Remande, covering her face to contain the bleeding. Koepka was visibly shaken by what happened, apologizing to Remande and signing a golf glove for her as he tried to check on her condition.

“You feel terrible for them,” Koepka said later on Friday. “You know exactly how they are feeling, especially when you’ve got to go over there and apologize, because they are in pain, usually bleeding, and then to hit her in the face is not—you don’t want to hit anybody in the face, especially not a woman, and it’s not a good feeling.”

Remande said that she is considering taking legal action against tournament organizers to help cover her medical costs. In the AFP story, she criticized officials for not making contact with her after the incident and claimed there was no warning from officials that an ball was coming toward the gallery.

On Tuesday, the tournament released a statement: “It is distressing to hear that someone might suffer long term consequences from a ball strike.

“The spectator hit by a ball at the sixth hole during Friday’s play was treated by first responders immediately and taken to hospital. We have been in communication with the family involved, starting with the immediate on-course treatment and thereafter to provide support, helping with the logistics of repatriation, including providing a transfer for the family from Paris to Lyon. We will continue to offer support for as long as necessary.

“Ball strikes are an occasional hazard for spectators but this kind of incident is extremely rare. We can confirm that ‘fore’ was shouted several times but also appreciate how hard it can be to know when and where every ball is struck if you are in the crowd. We are hugely sympathetic and will do everything we can to support the spectator, insofar as that is possible under very difficult circumstances.”

UPDATE, Tues., 10/2, 3:15 p.m.
Upon learning about Remande's worsened condition, Koepka commented about the accident on his Instagram account: ENDS

This will be settled on a confidential basis insurance should cover her claim it  would have to be substantial settlement to compensate her for losing the sight of one eye...very dangerous the way galleries crowd the fairways these pro golfers hit very hard .....some years ago in separate incidents  two  Pacific Golf Club Members suffered loss of vision in an eye after being hit by  a ball...... one was unlucky in that HIH the Insurer went belly up and he had to wait until the Federal guvment stepped in and paid him out ..the other guy who caddied on the Tour received his payout fairly quickly....I'm not aware of how much either received .... but the most tragic case was the one at Magnetic Island where the player suffered catastrophic injuries but wasn't covered by any insurance.


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Post by: ratsack on 2018-Oct-04, 08:59 PM
Rats, I tried to get on recently but they were booked out. Ended up playing at Nelson Bay
Very enjoyable course especially with all the Roos lounging around.
It was in great nick :thumbsup:

I was a member there years ago , nice course
PM me if you ever make it back , I will organize a round for you . (Pacific Dunes)

cheers Ray
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Post by: ratsack on 2018-Oct-04, 09:00 PM
Wouldn't mind living there but perhaps a bit in the boonies.

30 minutes from Newcastle and 90 minutes to Sydney
boonies  lol
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Oct-05, 07:13 AM
By Ben Alberstadt (ben.alberstadt@golfwrx.com)

October 4, 2018
Good Thursday morning, golf fans. The shortest off season in professional sports is over. 
1. Likely little legal recourse for spectator hit by Koepka

USA Today's Steve DiMeglio reports on what's likely to be the unfortunate reality for Corine Remande.
•   "The reason it is so hard to even get this in front of a jury is because in most states, there's an assumption of risk defense in these types of cases," said Marc Diller, a Boston-based lawyer who sued the Boston Red Sox on behalf of a fan injured by a foul ball. "Any patron who goes to a golf match or a baseball game assumes the risks of those hazards. Those known risks, for baseball, would be foul balls. At a professional golf tournament, it's errant golf balls."
•   "Legal experts told USA TODAY Sports had such an incident happened in the U.S., Remande would be hard pressed to even get the case to trial -- let alone win a verdict. Each state has its own laws that govern personal injury and in some jurisdictions merely warning fans of danger - including in the small print on tickets - is enough to thwart litigation." 
•   "In the U.S., the law is pretty clear," Chicago-based attorney Robert Clifford said. "Being on a golf course - either as a player or spectator - there's an obvious danger."
Any legal experts on the French justice system care to weigh in? I assume the guillotine is no longer in vogue?  ENDS

This wouldn't be the case in Australia exception being the Magnetic Island incident where the unfortunate victim Mr Ollier was brain damaged by an errant golf ball and although awarded $2.6M damages the defendant Mr Shanahan did not own a home and didn't have home owners' personal liability cover 
Quite amazing that the US legal opinions are that it's every man or woman for themselves......whether France where the incident happened is the same is unknown....but you would think there would be  public liability insurance to compensate the unfortunate victim Ms Corine Remande for losing the sight in her eye perhaps Brooks Kopeka will have some sympathy and make an effort to   compensate Ms Remande who looks very nice even with a plaster over her eye.

Ollier's case decision upheld on appeal $2.6M award.


Koepka says that he reached out to Remande on Tuesday event “to see how things were going” but had not yet heard back from her. “I look forward to speaking with her today, or over the next few days, whatever it might be,” he said. “I just want to have a conversation with her. No one feels worse about this than I do. It’s a tragic accident. I’m heartbroken, and all messed up inside. It’s sad, and I really am torn up about it. She’s not going to be able to see out of her eye ever again. All because I hit a golf ball. This is definitely the one shot in my career that I am going to regret.”

Show her some green Brookes you've got plenty.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Oct-15, 04:18 PM
Big payday in Malaysia  for Mark Leishman $1.26M......down the line everyone gets some green .


Fore :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Oct-15, 06:20 PM
All the way win to Eddie Pepperell in the British Masters at Walton Heath a miserable day weather wise and it looks an ordinary course ......he got home by 2 strokes from Swede Bjork.....  great to see Eddie win  I've followed him for the past two years....he played some wonderful shots and nice little earn about $960K AUD during the second or third round after he holed out one person in the gallery clapped so he gave him his lob wedge how good is that. :no1:





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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Nov-01, 08:25 AM
Subject: NEW GOLF RULES 2019 | The 20 Most Important CHANGES


FORE :beer:

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Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Nov-01, 07:20 PM
Had a game at the wonderful Stonecutters Ridge yesterday. Lovely course  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Nov-02, 07:41 AM
Living in Melbourne, the sport's capital of Australia, I am off to the World Cup of Golf at Metropolitan later this month, then the Presidents Cup in December at Royal Melbourne .

What with Cup Week, the Boxing Day test, the Australian Open tennis in January what more could a sports fan want over spring / summer ?

Sorry, I forgot, the start of the Sydney-Hobart boat race . :)
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Nov-02, 08:49 AM
Living in Melbourne, the sport's capital of Australia, I am off to the World Cup of Golf at Metropolitan later this month, then the Presidents Cup in December at Royal Melbourne .

What with Cup Week, the Boxing Day test, the Australian Open tennis in January what more could a sports fan want over spring / summer ?

Sorry, I forgot, the start of the Sydney-Hobart boat race . :)

Queensland weather is the only thing missing beautiful one day perfect the next.  :no1:

Shouldn't forget Melbourne's African gangs.

Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: timw on 2018-Nov-02, 07:32 PM
Great video

If grounding a club in a hazard (penalty area) will be permitted under the 2019 rule changes it makes no sense to penalise same in a bunker especially as you can now remove 'stuff' from bunkers and penalty areas.  I am not sure why you can't use a chain saw when convenient to do so.

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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Nov-03, 03:02 PM
Yep great video

I note they still haven't legalized the tree iron.
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Post by: sobig on 2018-Nov-03, 03:07 PM
It is in Irish jwh
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Nov-03, 07:42 PM
I think the looking for a ball reduced from 5 minutes to 3 will be an issue I've never seen anyone time the current 5 minute prescription.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Nov-07, 07:30 AM
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The LPGA Tour has had its fair share of drama in recent years when it comes to rules infractions, and on Saturday at the LPGA Q-Series at Pinehurst Resort, a truly curious incident occurred, which resulted in a disqualification.

Doris Chen, the 2014 NCAA individual champion at USC, and the 2010 U.S. Girls’ Junior champion, was the player in question. She was deemed to have breached rule 15-3b after she played a ball that had gone out of bounds and then was moved back in bounds by “an outside agency.” The incident occurred on the 17th hole during Friday’s seventh round at the No. 7 course.

 According to reports from Golf Channel and Golfweek, it was Chen’s mother, Yuh-Guey Lin, who moved the ball back in bounds. :o

Speaking with GolfDigest.com on Sunday morning, Chen stated that she was unaware that the ball had been out of bounds, believing that the ball had been kicked from a bad lie to a good lie. Thinking that she was allowed to play the ball as it lies, Chen claimed that after her round she was then informed that the ball had been out of bounds.

“My caddie and I didn’t see anything happen. We were looking for the ball. I didn’t see the ball move. It was just what the homeowner said, In my mind, I thought I was just supposed to play the ball as it lied. … I realize now I should have called for a rules official to investigate.”

When asked if she had spoken to her mother after the round and whether or not it had been her that moved the ball, Chen stated that if it was indeed her, then it was an accident, before taking responsibility for the incident.

“She (Chen’s mother) told me that she didn’t and she doesn’t know. And if she did, it may be by accident and she wasn’t aware. What I would like to say is that it was a misunderstanding. It was a stressful week and not my intention for any of it to happen. I was not directly involved in any way, but I take the responsibility and accept the ruling. I was not trying to cheat and I am not a cheater.”

Regarding the decision to disqualify Chen, the LPGA released a statement clarifying just what Chen had done wrong, stating:  “Ms Chen and her caddie were made aware that the ball had been moved. Doris elected to play the ball, which was a wrong ball by definition, from its altered lie. Ms. Chen did not correct her error before teeing off on the next hole, thus resulting in the DQ penalty.”

At the time of her disqualification, Chen was placed T74 at 14-over par and six strokes out of 45th place. The top 45 finishers and ties at the end of the eight-round event earned LPGA Tour cards for 2019

Reached for comment on Sunday morning, Chen told GolfDigest.com she was searching for her ball farther up the hole when somebody in the gallery spotted it. Chen said that someone told her that a person had kicked the ball. Chen says that at the time the person did not say the ball had been moved from being out of bounds to in bounds, only that the ball had gone from a good lie to a bad lie. Chen says she thought she could play the ball as it lies, and so she continued on and finished the hole, along with the 18th. It was then, she said, that rules officials talked with her about the situation, informing her at that time that the ball was out of bounds.

“My caddie and I didn’t see anything happen. We were looking for the ball. I didn’t see the ball move,” Chen said. “It was just what the homeowner said. … In my mind, I thought I was just supposed to play the ball as it lied. … I realize now I should have called for a rules official to investigate.” laid not lied (sic)

When asked if she spoke with her mother about whether she had moved the ball, Chen said: “She told me that she didn’t and she doesn’t know. And if she did, it may be by accident and she wasn’t aware.”

Chen added: “What I would like to say is that it was a misunderstanding. It was a stressful week and not my intention for any of it to happen. I was not directly involved in any way, but I take the responsibility and accept the ruling.

“I was not trying to cheat and I am not a cheater.”

Chen, 25, had been tied for 74th in the 102-player field after the sixth round at 14 over par, six strokes out of 45th place. The top 45 finishers and ties at the conclusion of the inaugural eight-round event earned LPGA Tour cards for 2019.

Since turning pro in 2015, Chen has played three seasons on the Symetra Tour, having earned $12,050. In 2018, she made only one cut in 12 events, earning $643. She reached Q-Series after finishing T-24 at Stage II of qualifying in Venice, Fla.

UPDATE: Chen's caddie for the event, Alex Valer, has disputed his player's story. Valer told GolfChannel.com that it was Chen's mom who found the ball, not a spectator. He also said the homeowner immediately identified Chen's mom as the person who had moved the ball.

Valer, a caddie on the LPGA and Symetra Tours, added that he told Chen to consult with a rules official and warned her that if she didn't, she might be disqualified. Instead, he says Chen didn't listen and even told him to "keep quiet about the details of what happened," but he didn't when questioned by LPGA officials.

“It’s a mess,” Valer said. “Doris did the wrong thing. I’m just trying to do the right thing, to be fair to all those players at Q-Series who have worked so hard for a whole year.”

Caddy didn't keep MUM neither should Chan .


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Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Nov-07, 08:28 AM
I’m back to stonecutters ridge today. Hoping for a much better round now that I know the course
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Nov-08, 08:55 AM
Gian-Marco Petrozzi, a 21-year-old Englishman, had just finished a tremendous close to what was already going to be a memorable final round of Stage 2 at European Tour Qualifying School on Monday. Early in the round, he had made an ace on the par=3 17th hole at Spain’s Las Colinas Golf & Country Club (his eighth of the day). Then down the stretch, he made five birdies over his last six holes to card a six-under 65. It was looking like it would be enough to get him into a playoff for an alternate spot into the final stage … or so he thought.

Roughly 20 minutes after his round, Petrozzi learned he had been assessed a two-stroke penalty in what might be one of the more unusual—and frustrating—rulings we’ve heard coming from Q-School. On his final hole, Petrozzi had paced off a yardage for his approach shot, which would have to carry a bunker ahead of his ball to get to the green. He walked through the bunker to get his distance, and then on the way back to his ball, he raked his footprints in the sand.

As it turns out, what he thought was an attempt at good etiquette was construed Rule 13-2 as improving his line of play. The extra two strokes gave him a 67 that left him tied for 32nd place.

Golf Digest story.

How ridiculous is this he raked the bunker out of consideration for others who might have hit in there ... you can't rake the bunker before you hit your ball  in the bunker but this isn't an issue here...there have been instances where penalties have been rescinded on reflection this is a such a case IMO.

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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Nov-08, 10:03 AM
Bit rough I agree.

But why the hell would he have walked through the bunker in the first place?
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Nov-17, 09:54 AM
Rankin rocks up for another shot at Open

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PUNCHING ON: Brett Rankin (right) bumps fists with his caddie during his second round at The Lakes. Pictu AFP

SO HERE comes Brett Rankin to once again save the Australian Open.

What … you don’t remember him?

Well, no shame in that.

Especially given it’s now 10 years since the then anonymous Queensland amateur – a kid with only $1.97 in his bank account – was plucked from washing golf carts to replace Australian poster boy Adam Scott in the 2008 Open field.

At the time it was some story.

Just as it is now, as Rankin wakes this morning heading into an Open weekend just three strokes off the lead after fighting to five-under at The Lakes yesterday.

And more is set to unfold today. First, let’s rewind a decade, back to when Scott, that golden boy of Australian golf, wasn’t just the new owner of a Gulf Stream jet but the image Open officials had plastered across billboards, posters and everything.

So when the former world No.1 withdrew on tournament eve – due to a surfing injury of all things – in rocked a 22-year-old who was still living at home and had to bludge $400 off his little brother to make the trip.

“Which is crazy, to think back that far,” Rankin said yesterday, a genuine Open challenger.

“And you know what’s funny, I actually had more than $1.97 in my account.

“The day before (the Open) I called my dad and said ‘mate, can you check my balance?’ He said I had $1.97, but he was looking in the wrong account.

“I had another account with $400, maybe $500 in it. Not much more but I was all right.”

But you still borrowed cash, right?

“Yeah,” he laughed. “But my brother’s borrowed plenty from me since. My bank account is much deeper now.”

Despite being ranked No.1090 in the world, Rankin is grateful to not only be travelling the globe playing the game he loves but on the cusp of again becoming the feel-good yarn of the event.

Back in 2008, this knockabout Aussie was unknown to even his opening day partners, countrymen Craig Parry and Stuart Appleby.

“Which was funny,” he said.

“I remember four holes in, Appleby goes to me: ‘You know, the beauty of playing with Adam Scott is that you can always spot a few good lookers in the crowd’.

“(Laughs) Then he looks at me and says, ‘So far, I’m not seeing a whole lot of game from you’.”

And as for this being what he dreamed of 10 years ago: “Obviously I’d love to be on the (US PGA) Tour, but playing professionally, it’s tough.

“If I had a family, kids, I’d have a job by now.

“But I’ve always said as long as I’m paying my way, I’ll keep doing it. Because playing golf, I just love what I do.”


I would like him to do well this weekend has a very good game ...plays at Pacific regularly with a couple of his mates.....I've not had a game with him but did play with his dad and Wally Lewis's dad Jimmy  in the Vets some years ago also at Wynnum with his younger brother a very nice young guy.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Nov-18, 09:57 AM
Ogilvy: Tarnished – How the Stonehaven Cup lost its lustre
By Geoff Ogilvy Nov 12 2018 12:00PM
Growing up in Melbourne, I was always told that the Australian Open was golf’s ‘fifth major’. It had such a great history, so the case was persuasive. Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player had all regularly come down to play and all three had won the event. So I was sold.
But, looking back now, that our Open was hailed as the fifth most important event in the game is hard to imagine. We believed it then though, because Greg Norman played every year and so did so many other iconic names of that era.
It all made sense. The Australian Open, after all, was the biggest event in a country that has produced so many good and great golfers. It was one of the tournaments everyone wanted to win. It might not have carried the biggest purse in the game, but, along with other national Opens around the world, it was really important. I mean, who doesn’t want to win something called, say, ‘The Scottish Open?’ A title like that carries with it great history and prestige.
I speak from experience. When I won the Australian Open at The Lakes back in 2010 I was competing around the world at the highest level. So that victory wasn’t the most important thing for me at the time. Back then, my head was full of the money and the exemptions and the notoriety that comes with winning anything. And the Australian Open didn’t provide much in any of those departments.
But as the years go by, that victory is more and more a source of great pride for me. By the time I am done playing, it will represent the second-biggest win of my career after the 2006 US Open. Bigger than any of my three World Golf Championship wins.
The Stonehaven Cup is just a really cool thing to have on my mantelpiece. Over time it will mean a lot more to me than, say, the Buick Invitational on the PGA Tour. I’m not really going to remember that too well in my old age. But I’m never going to forget the 2010 Australian Open. The passage of time makes it more and more important. And that is what ultimately proves it is a great tournament.
Ogilvy ranks his 2010 Australian Open triumph as a career highlight, due to the tournament’s rich history. PHOTO: Getty Images.
Given that fact, the Australian Open is the one tournament in this country that has a real chance to get really big, which is not to say that making it really big is going to be easy. The economic clout of the PGA Tour has done much to ‘ruin’ so many events held outside the United States. Only those in the Middle East and maybe the HSBC event in China have been able to compete financially. You need substantial corporate backing if you want to hang with those running $10m tournaments.
Money is just one of the problems facing the Australian Open today. Maybe 25 years ago the prize fund was competitive. But that is no longer the case. In fact, we are now playing the Australian Open for less money than when I turned professional two decades ago. It was a big tournament back then. Played towards the end of the northern hemisphere summer it was surrounded by a few other big events. So players from elsewhere could bring their families and make the long trip worthwhile. It made sense.
Now it makes less sense. The tournament date is an issue. This year, for example, the Australian Open clashes with the DP World Tour Championship in Dubai, the season-ending event on the European Tour. So there is no possibility of any of the top-60 players on the world’s second-biggest circuit teeing-up at The Lakes. It also clashes with the biggest event on the Japanese Tour, the Dunlop Phoenix, which means the Aussies plying their trade on that Tour will be there and not at The Lakes.
“Imagine if the US Open sold itself to one city. What a waste of resources that would be. And the same is true of Australia.” – Geoff Ogilvy
Plus, for every foreign visitor, there is a tax issue in Australia. There is tax everywhere, of course. But in Australia we have a 48 percent withholding tax. So every player loses half of their prize money. They could win, say, $100,000 in the tournament, only get $50,000 and then have to pay their expenses on top. So maybe they take home around $30,000. That’s a lot of money, but the same players could go to a ‘Silly Season’ event in the United States, make the same money and stay at home.
Logistically, the Australian Open has been squeezed into a box that is difficult to escape from. No one did anything wrong to create that part of this scenario. It’s just what has happened. But plenty of mistakes have also been made along the way. Moving almost exclusively to Sydney was a great deal financially. But it has changed the identity of the Australian Open. Today, it is just a ‘normal’ tournament that happens to be played in Sydney. We’re not playing our national Open on a rota of our best courses.
Which is not to say that The Lakes, The Australian and Royal Sydney are not part of that rota. But we need to be showing the world what we have. And to almost shut out the likes of Royal Melbourne, Kingston Heath, Royal Adelaide and New South Wales is a mistake. A golf tournament in many ways is an advertisement for the host country and we are not showing ourselves to our best advantage. Imagine if the US Open sold itself to one city. What a waste of resources that would be. And the same is true of Australia.
Another consequence of past decisions is that, logistically, the tournament is being run so poorly. So much doesn’t work too well … little things that make a difference. Parking. The roping-off of the fairways. I hate to say this, but the Australian Open feels like a second-second-rate tournament now. I’m sure it is run in the same way it was 30 years ago. But tournaments elsewhere have progressed so much. And the differences show.
Crowds gather round the 2nd green at The Australian during last year’s Open. PHOTO: Getty Images.
That is true when you compare the Australian Open with other big sporting events in this country. The Open tennis, the Melbourne Cup, the Grand Prix and the AFL Grand Final are all miles better than the golf. They are massive events. And the Australian Open golf should be in that sort of conversation. But it has fallen behind all of those other sports.
There is an obvious solution.
The biggest success story in golf is the Masters at Augusta National. It is the only tournament that never talks about money. They don’t advertise or market themselves. They just go out of their way to run the best tournament they can. They want the best tees, the best fairways, the best ropes, the best food, the best parking – all to provide the best experience for everyone inside the gate. And, over the years, that constant attention to detail has created the world’s best golf tournament (the other three majors are championships), one that everyone wants to see.
That is a great example for the Australian Open.
The aim should be to run the best golf tournament in Australia. Do that and the money will come. How do I know that? There is a perfect example much closer to home than the state of Georgia in the US.
The Australian Open needs to follow the example of the Victorian Open. The Australian Open needs to make itself a better product. Forget about the money and just run a great tournament. Build it and the people will come. The Vic Open is living proof of that. Armed with a great concept – combining men and women’s events – and an interesting venue it has, in four or five years, gone from being a largely irrelevant state Open to a European Tour and Ladies European Tour event. It is now maybe the second-biggest event in the country.
All of which has been achieved by just running a nice tournament. Money was tight, so they clearly decided just to be the best tournament they could be. The result is that many of the best women players now come and play. The men too – and there will be more than ever of them next February. Proof that a quality tournament – run well – doesn’t have to chase the cash. As I said, get it right and the money will eventually come.
Think about it. Over the past few years the Vic Open has been widely talked about as the best event in the country. And now they are being rewarded for that. Next year it will offer more prizemoney than the Australian Open. Which is ridiculous. Word of mouth is a powerful thing. And shows how possible it is to create a big event by doing all the little things well.
“Over the past few years the Vic Open has been widely talked about as the best event in the country … Next year it will offer more prizemoney than the Australian Open. Which is ridiculous.” – Geoff Ogilvy
Sadly, the Australian Open seems to be heading in the opposite direction. For example, this year the event will not offer (as it has done in recent years) on-course radio coverage to spectators and, through the internet, golf fans worldwide. That is a mistake. Golf Australia should be employing youngsters to go out on the course so that they can tweet and Instagram everything they see and hear. Little things like that promote the event brilliantly. We need to tell the world how much fun you can have at the golf. Make it a cool thing to do. Get that message out there. Via the internet, the potential market is seven billion. Via Australian television the market is a proportion of 24 million.
Other things would obviously help. The Australian Open would overnight be a bigger deal if all of our best players were in the field. Every player who anyone has ever heard of needs to be competing. But the situation we have now – Jason Day, Marc Leishman and Adam Scott will all be missing this year – is not the fault of the players. It is the fault of the tournament.
A better job needs to be done with player liaison. Questions need to be asked. What do you want? Why aren’t you coming? Let’s fix it.
This might sound odd, but nearly everyone would want to play, even in a low-purse Australian Open. All we have to do is make it a little bit easier for them to come. I am absolutely certain that, with the exception of the top-dozen players, if you gave just about any PGA Tour player a first-class ticket – do a deal with Qantas if that is what it takes – booked them a nice hotel room and fed them for a week, many of them would play in the Australian Open. In the big scheme of things, that is not too expensive.
In the medium-term, a structure needs to be created where the Australian Open bounces around the country a bit more. Going to Melbourne in two of the next few years is not good enough. Governments shouldn’t own the national Open; the golfers should. I’m not sure what club members across the country would think of this idea, but here goes.
“Going to Melbourne in two of the next few years is not good enough. Governments shouldn’t own the national Open; the golfers should.” – Geoff Ogilvy
One way to raise money to operate the Australian Open would be to charge every golf club member, say $5. Or maybe a small percentage of whatever dues every member pays. In our annual fees we already pay insurance and some other little things. So why not an ‘Australian Open’ fee? Let’s say we have 500,000 registered golfers giving $10, that’s $5m and the total budget for the event.
For that gesture, every golf club member could get a discounted Australian Open ticket, all for contributing in a small way to the tournament fund. In other words, give every club member ownership in the tournament. Make it their event. Create some loyalty. And give them credit during the coverage. Tell them it is through their generosity that the tournament exists. Now come and see what you have done.
If some version of all of the above comes to pass, there is no reason why the Australian Open cannot compete with our other great sporting events – at least in terms of quality. No, it might not – at least in the short-term – engender the same respect worldwide. But give it time.


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Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Nov-18, 03:45 PM
Simple reason as to why the Australian Open has gone backwards .....they hold it in Sydney , where people do not support sport like they do in Melbourne.
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Nov-18, 03:50 PM
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Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Nov-18, 04:09 PM
You could be right Sydneysiders prefer fishing  :fishing:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Nov-18, 05:22 PM
Apparently the venue Sydney or Melbourne isn't the reason.... it's the timing ......not convenient for the top Tour players to come down under.....according to Geoff Ogilvy the AO clashes with other more lucrative events ........and most of the top Australian golfers no longer call Australia home....... all relocated to the USA or Switzerland ...and show little regard for the country they owe their success to...as the long gone pollie said and has often been repeated by amongst others my goodself "You can put your money on Self Interest it's always tryin'"

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Post by: Gintara on 2018-Nov-18, 05:25 PM
Had a game at the wonderful Stonecutters Ridge yesterday. Lovely course  :thumbsup:

Incidentally the guy who grew in the course during construction was Tony Mills, now current Course Super at The Lakes   emthup

They do a great job under a phenomenal amount of golf to present the course so well week in week out.
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Post by: Gintara on 2018-Nov-18, 05:31 PM
Simple reason as to why the Australian Open has gone backwards .....they hold it in Sydney , where people do not support sport like they do in Melbourne.

You sure you're not a pollie Bubba? They think of nothing to lie and deceive to achieve their desired outcome  :whistle:


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Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Nov-19, 06:48 AM
Remember the public outrage when the Shark didn’t come back one year :chin:
Now none of them bother :tin:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Nov-21, 07:32 AM
A call that’s Scott to hurt
MARC Leishman admits breaking the bad news to Adam Scott that he wouldn’t be playing for Australia at the World Cup of Golf was a difficult phone call to make.
But the pain was quickly eased when a video chat with Cameron Smith laid the foundations of a close bond Leishman believes could help deliver Australia a sixth World Cup title in Melbourne this week.
With world No.21 Leishman the best-ranked player at Metropolitan Golf Club and Smith close behind at No.33, the Australians are betting favourites in the event featuring 28 pairings.
Leishman became Australia’s top eligible player in September when Jason Day declined his invitation.
The top player from each nation can choose their Cup teammate and Leishman picked Smith instead of Scott (pictured), despite the Queensland pair being neck-and-neck on the rankings.
But Leishman said Smith’s consecutive third-place results in the opening US PGA Tour playoff events forced his selection.
“It was a very hard phone call to make to Scotty; I’m great mates with (him) and Cam,” Leishman said. “(After phoning Scott) I Face-Timed Cam and my (sons) Harvey and Ollie came up behind me and we asked Cam did he want to play.”
Smith admits a profanity may have slipped out in earshot of Leishman’s sons in the jubilation of being told he would make his professional debut for an Australian golf team.
“It probably was not the response the kids were hoping to hear but there was a bit of excitement there,” Smith said. “It was on my radar all year; I really wanted to make the team.”
Australia last won the Cup under a different format when former world No.1s Day and Scott lifted the trophy at Royal Melbourne in 2013, while Day earnt the individual title.
Leishman and Smith will face stiff competition from tournament heavyweights England, whose team will feature Ryder Cup hero Ian Poulter and rising star Tyrrell Hatton.
American duo Matt Kuchar and Kyle Stanley also loom as a force, as do defending champions Thorbjorn Olesen and Soren Kjeldsen for Denmark.
It is an unofficial PGA Tour event featuring a $US7 million ($A9.6 million) prize purse with $US1.1 million ($A1.5 million) going to each member of the winning team.

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Post by: Bubbasmith on 2018-Nov-23, 02:03 PM
World Golf Cup 2018

Mate of mine who follows international golf thought in pre post betting Australia were under the odds however he suggested Korea and Belgium were both over the odds at $19 ,On Betfair he got $19 Korea but he missed out on Belgium, I took his tip and took $12.50 Belgium but I forgot he mentioned Korea.
Go Belgium
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Dec-04, 10:35 AM
Big guns share profits
SEASONED duo John Senden and Matt Millar yesterday shared in a rare seven-way tie when the $50,000 Bartons/ BMD Wynnum Pro-Am had a finish befitting its 40th edition.
Former Australian Open champion Senden (pictured) birdied the final hole to reach his six-under-par 64, which was as low as anyone could go.
Canberra’s Millar is insatiable when it comes to a profit-making formula because he had six birdies and 14 pars just 24 hours after his tie for third at the Australian PGA.
The pair shared the top spoils at Australia’s richest one-day pro-am with Gavin Fairfax, Brad Burns, Max McCardle, Wynnum product Christopher Wood and Dale Brandt-Richards.
More than 30 pros backed up from the Australian PGA in a strong field.
Rod Pampling (67), Aaron Wilkin (65) and 67-year-old Rodger Davis (73), the 1986 Australian Open champion, were other notables playing.
The seven-way tie had long-time PGA officials recalling the record joint win by nine players at the Murwillumbah Pro-Am a decade ago.
Senden will play host today at Keperra Country Club when many of the same top pros play the PGA Charity Golf Day to raise funds for Jarrod Lyle’s Family Trust.
Australian PGA champion Cameron Smith will join the field for the 8am shotgun start for the worthy cause.
As a show of how Lyle touched golfers around the world, leading American pro Rickie Fowler airmailed an autographed golf bag, driver and golf shoes to be auctioned at the lunch.
› FORMER major winner Wayne Grady has galvanised major backing for a bumper $150,000 Gold Coast Celebrity Pro-Am on April 4-5 at L a k e l a n d s Golf Club.
Grady said at yesterday’s launch that he had always wanted to create such a bumper event in the style of the PGA Tour in the US which kicks in major funds to different charities from every tournament.
Funds raised will support the Gold Coast charity foundation Ashton’s Place to aid early intervention services for children diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder.
The mix of pros, 25 celebrities, including Jeff Thomson, Todd Woodbridge, Wally Lewis and Kerri-Anne Kennerley, and willing amateurs will make up 50 groups.
“I’ve been living on the Gold Coast since 1988 and I’d do anything for it,’’ Grady said.
“This is a tournament solely for charity that has wonderful benefits for families.’’

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Post by: gunbower on 2018-Dec-04, 08:04 PM
How goods is this young bloke Cameron Smith ? Wins back to back Aussie PGA's, now about 28 in the World and straight out to a Charity Event at a Suburban Brisbane Golf Course. Well done: I hope he keeps this respect for the game and those who play it. Does anyone know Bernard Tomic's number so he might be able to give him a bell ?
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2018-Dec-04, 08:17 PM
Not many blokes lead like he did, surrender the lead to a top player in the last round,, then fight back to win by a couple.

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Post by: Swoopingseagull on 2018-Dec-04, 08:38 PM
Awesome, so cool and professional pleasure to watch this young man. Australia will well represent the world well in the next five years with the awesome talent of golf Australia’s elite players coming through the program
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Post by: ratsack on 2018-Dec-04, 09:48 PM
2019 Rule Changes:
With 2019 vastly approaching it is time for all members to familarise themselves with the change to some very common rules that come into effect January 1 2019. We have attached a link which outlines the main 20 rules you should know. Please click here to watch a short video, if you have any questions please see our Golf shop team for clarification.
We have also made a 2nd document that has 9 short 1 min videos with new rules information for you to view click here .

hope this works ?
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Post by: ratsack on 2018-Dec-04, 09:50 PM
2019 Rule Changes:
With 2019 vastly approaching it is time for all members to familarise themselves with the change to some very common rules that come into effect January 1 2019. We have attached a link which outlines the main 20 rules you should know. Please click here to watch a short video, if you have any questions please see our Golf shop team for clarification.
We have also made a 2nd document that has 9 short 1 min videos with new rules information for you to view click here .

hope this works ?


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Post by: wily ole dog on 2018-Dec-05, 07:42 AM
The best rules changes for me are the
Embedded balls
Double hit
Loose impediments being moved
Accidentally moving a ball on the green
Touching ground in hazards

Given the courses I play I still think that in Bunkers you should be allowed to touch the sand to check the depth
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Post by: Arsenal on 2018-Dec-07, 09:50 AM
There's a simplified Rule Book provided to golf club members by the AGU issued by the R&A and USGA  it's called Player's Edition of the Rules of Golf effective January 2019  which will come in handy although in some cases it will be necessary to refer to the full edition of the Rules of Golf ........one if not the main objective is to speed up play which is a good thing .......in Monthly Medal comps at my home course you can expect a game of stroke play to take up to 5 hours..... normally it'll be 4 and sometimes a half hour more than that .......and the reason is membership is aging ......we're not as quick as fast or as long or as accurate as when we started .......and the course is tough .....looking for a ball has been reduced from 5 to 3 minutes...... good luck enforcing that if having to go back to where you last hit it will take more than the minutes shaved off the search time...another time saver not included is restricting the number of practice swings..... some players I know  take 4 or 5 before hitting the ball and if its a thin hit it'll run along the ground for 50 or 60 metres and they go through the routine once again....very frustrating ..there's one group who used to start the field now they're second off but give them 15 or 20 minutes start and you'll be waiting on every shot after you catch them up.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jan-04, 06:34 PM
Several emails today announcing a new Taylor Made driver M5 and M6 plus fairway woods drivers are $499USD but $749AUD list price here interesting name in the promo they have given "Hammerhead" that was the nick name of former Rocky Labour MP Robert Schwarten ... hammerhead ...had a penchant for punch ups reportedly.


Giddy Up :beer:
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Post by: timw on 2019-Jan-04, 07:46 PM

Even if they are he world's best clubs they wont help at least 95% of the population.  I was a crap golfer who had a passable social game when I was on song.  I gave up for about 15 years ago when my back did.  As I had the time about 2 years ago I picked up the clubs I always hated and decided to play until my body got used to the effort (9 holes or a bucket of no more than 5 balls at the driving range to start).  In frustration I found a golf pro who looked at me in horror and told me to take a certain stance and hit a 7 iron until I got used to it.  I had a few lessons spaced a few months apart and recently went to see him when things weren't going so well.  He said 'you don't develop new faults you just go back to the old ones' which turned out to be sage advice.  While I got some new clubs (technology has moved on in 20 years and my old clubs were crap) I have learn't several things which you don't find on you-tube videos. Two of the most important are keep your nose still (your eyeballs move so keeping your head still doesn't work even if you think it does) and get the take away right (flat around not steep to turn/ rotate and avoid sway the killer for a fade to slice).  There are other things you need to do as well if golf doesn't come naturally despite what Jarrod Lyle said (essentially just swing the club).  Unfortunately when I go to the driving range i now shudder in horror at some of the swings I see and have even had the temerity to suggest to some they get a lesson.  Sure I can't score as could as i could in my best years but at least i now know what i am doing wrong and enjoy smashing the odd good drive down the middle and amazing some of my friends  from the early days.  The answer - forget the latest hot driver - a good teacher is worth all the money it costs even if I was you are a slow to get the message.


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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jan-09, 07:59 PM
I agree with you timw  that technique is more important than getting the latest driver ......after all the COR  is the limit laid down by the R&A and the USGA so lessons from a pro will help most of us until we go back to doing what caused us to get a lesson or two in the first place ....I've been playing golf for close on 30 years have upgraded my clubs to suit my game  but my handicap is almost back to what it was when I first started all those years ago ....as I'm 30 years older than when I first started .....over those years I've lost a lot of distance but usually have a respectable round unless I get into trouble by hitting into the water or not getting out in one from bunkers ..three years ago I won the B grade championship with net scores 64 and 68 now I'm back in C grade and have trouble playing to my handicap ..but I still love the game and don't treat it too seriously......I remember walking off the course one day after a losing day with an old time bookie ..he put our losses in perspective saying there's plenty of blokes in Toowong (cemetery) who would gladly swap places with us.

Giddy Up :beer: 
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-09, 08:33 PM
I find that just getting in the right finishing position is paramount. Body and arms need to be in sync. Sadly I can only do it in about 60% of swings. Hence my horrific scoring continues  :lol:
Hit a drive up the guts of about 280 the other day and then proceeded to hit 3 along the ground, finishing with a 3 putt  :lol:  a typical 7 :mad:

Conversely, topped my drive on the next only 150, leaving  200 to the pin. Stiffed a wonderful 5 iron to 5 feet and drained the putt:wacko:
It’s a great game :bop:

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jan-22, 10:06 AM
PING is launching a new driver catching up to some degree with its competitors with movable weights designed to affect ball flight .... the likely price range of $500USD is well below latest offerings from Titleist Cobra and Callaway...first impressions I like the look but at this stage I doubt I'll be changing drivers.


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Post by: Skybeau on 2019-Jan-23, 06:03 AM
PING is launching a new driver catching up to some degree with its competitors with movable weights designed to affect ball flight .... the likely price range of $500USD is well below latest offerings from Titleist Cobra and Callaway...first impressions I like the look but at this stage I doubt I'll be changing drivers.


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What driver have you got now Arsie?

I'm hitting a 2017 M2, with a 3 wood length shaft in it at the moment.  Love it.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jan-23, 07:24 PM
Using a Callaway EPIC 10.5 degrees with Diamana 40g senior shaft ......I thought about buying the PING GMax and while it felt very good no apprecible gain in distance or dispersion...plus the trade in offer was well below an acceptable figure....a couple of years ago I went through a fitting at the Taylor Made Lab at Golf Central very high tech but my strikes were so poor they offered to give me the driver if I hit it straight....which I didn't do.

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Post by: timw on 2019-Jan-23, 09:13 PM
If wily old dog can hit as he states he should change his pseudonym to 'gorilla'.  When I was a a bit younger and followed the pros eg G Marsh era they would hit 5 irons about 175.  If the gorilla hits that far with a 5 he should be close to scratch and I will not be turning up.  In fact he wouldn't need anything other that a 5 iron, a wedge, a sand iron and a putter to get around a lot of courses in a respectable score.
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Post by: MagiC~* on 2019-Jan-24, 05:57 AM
I am  hitting  my PW 120.
Irons might be a lot better now then they used to be Timw.
If i am 150 to 160 out I am hitting my 6 iron

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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-24, 06:47 AM
Tim, a scratch player will hit it that far 9 out our 10. As I highlighted Im not very consistent. Sadly Im more like 2 out of 10  :lol:

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jan-24, 01:30 PM

Lots of interesting stuff to view from the PGA merchandise show in Orlando.

Pity the golf industry doesn’t have an annual golf show here in OZ I’ve only ever been to one this  was years ago on the Gold Coast it was there that I met the designer of YES putters who conducted a putting seminar...one thing he suggested to hole more putts is don’t move your head until you see a black spot behind the ball after you’ve hit the putt.

Daiwa has released a non conforming driver G111 cor 0.88 outside the limit of 0.85 on the market for $2400USD I haven’t seen Diawa locally for years I think David Jones or Myer had them when they were popular a mate of mine had a set of Daiwa irons which are long gone from his bag.

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Post by: ratsack on 2019-Jan-27, 08:49 PM
If wily old dog can hit as he states he should change his pseudonym to 'gorilla'.  When I was a a bit younger and followed the pros eg G Marsh era they would hit 5 irons about 175.  If the gorilla hits that far with a 5 he should be close to scratch and I will not be turning up.  In fact he wouldn't need anything other that a 5 iron, a wedge, a sand iron and a putter to get around a lot of courses in a respectable score.
the ball travels further now and most clubs have been delofted , with the advent of recovery woods what was once a 4 iron is now a 2 iron etc
with WOD hitting (stiffing) a 5 five iron in times past he actually hit a (nice) 2 iron coupled with todays lofts and ball technology .
hope this helps 
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Post by: ratsack on 2019-Jan-27, 09:00 PM
as an adject
I remember watching a interview featuring Jack and he said he could hit his driver further at 60-65 years of age than when he was 21 
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jan-28, 07:12 AM
the ball travels further now and most clubs have been delofted , with the advent of recovery woods what was once a 4 iron is now a 2 iron etc
with WOD hitting (stiffing) a 5 five iron in times past he actually hit a (nice) 2 iron coupled with todays lofts and ball technology .
hope this helps

Very true Rats. I had some clubs made for me recently and my 4 iron is a 3 iron loft.
The off shelf commercial clubs started this a few years back trying to hoodwink consumers into thinking their clubs hit it further than others
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-01, 05:14 PM

Awesome Amy.

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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Feb-03, 11:51 AM
We all felt like this at one time or another but below does not set a good example.

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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-05, 10:57 AM
I find it very odd that the game brings in new rules to speed it up but every one of the dozen different courses I have played in the past few months have all removed their distance markers from the side of the fairways. Usually a 150m post
We're now left with golfers wandering the fairways looking for sprinkler heads and the likes with yardage on them. Resulting in massive time wasting :mad:
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-09, 08:02 PM

The order is
Rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last

Yesterday Karrie Webb had 7 birdies for a 65.

Today she had 8 bogeys and one double bogey for an 82.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-13, 12:49 PM

‘They can keep their money’: Kuchar’s fill-in caddie breaks silence over pay dispute
By Michael Bamberger
February 12, 2019
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Kuchar's Caddie Controversy
A pay dispute between Matt Kuchar and his fill-in caddie, David Giral Ortiz, for the Mayakoba Golf Classic is still ongoing, dating back to November.

David Giral Ortiz, the diminutive Mexican caddie who goes by El Tucan, said in a recent phone interview that after being paid $5,000 by Matt Kuchar on the Sunday evening after the golfer won the Mayakoba Golf Classicon Nov. 11, he has not received any other payment.

The caddie said he was offered an additional $15,000, for a total of $20,000, but that he found that unacceptable. He also said he would not want to work for Kuchar at next year’s tournament.

For both player and caddie, the show-me-the-money aftermath of a magical week has been filled with frustration and disappointment. Ortiz feels he was underpaid. Kuchar feels he has made a fair offer to a club caddie who was with him for only one week. That the pay dispute has played out over social media without either party saying much of anything is a sign of the times.

In a Jan. 24 email Ortiz sent to Mark Steinberg, Kuchar’s agent, the caddie wrote, “I am a humble man, who takes care of his family, and works hard. I am reaching out to you to see if you can facilitate me receiving a fair amount for my help with Matt winning $1,296,000. I am not looking to disparage Matt or give him a bad name. Fair is fair, and I feel like I was taken advantage of by placing my trust in Matt.”

David Giral Ortiz, known as "El Tucan," and Matt Kuchar fist pump during the Mayakoba Golf Classic.
Ortiz, a 40-year-old father, as is Kuchar, said he wrote in Spanish and used Google Translate to turn his words into English. He also said he received help from Americans visiting Mayakoba, the Mexican resort where he works. Ortiz caddies at the El Camaleon Golf Club, in Playa del Carmen.

Asked how he felt about the offer to receive what he said would be an additional and final $15,000 payment, Ortiz said, “No thank you. They can keep their money.”

In response to an email from GOLF.com to Kuchar and Steinberg seeking comment, Steinberg wrote on Monday, “The “reports [sic] on what Matt’s caddie was offered are wildly inaccurate. However, it is inappropriate to discuss those amounts publicly.”

Steinberg also represents Tiger Woods and Justin Rose, among others.

Matt is a good person and a great player. He treated me very well. I am only disappointed by how it all finished.
Ortiz said he did not expect to be paid what a Tour caddie would have made, but said he believed his work and contribution toward the win was worth $50,000. The win was Kuchar’s first in more than four years. He has made over $46 million in Tour prize money in his career and is 10th on the career money list.

Speaking through a translator, Ortiz said, “Matt is a good person and a great player. He treated me very well. I am only disappointed by how it all finished.”

Shortly after the tournament, Ortiz said he hoped and expected to work for Kuchar when he defends his title this year. Asked recently if he would want to caddie for Kuchar again, Ortiz said, “No thank you. I’m a little bit pissed, a little bit confused.”

Ortiz said he wrote to Steinberg because he did not have contact information for Kuchar. He shared with GOLF.com three emails he sent to Steinberg, one on Jan. 24, one on Jan. 29 and one on Feb. 5. He said he has received one email from Steinberg, on Jan. 29, which read, “I am out of the country. What Matt has offered is fair.”

Ortiz, a fulltime club caddie, was filling in for Kuchar’s regular caddie, John Wood, who did not make the trip to Mexico.

A $3,000 weekly payment for a fill-in local caddie would widely be considered generous pay by Tour standards. The sticking point is the size of the bonus. A Tour caddie typically receives five percent of a player’s winnings, a higher percentage for a top-10 finish and 10 percent for a win. These arrangements are usually handshake deals.

Ortiz said that Kuchar said at the start of the tournament that he would be paid $3,000 for the week, plus an unspecified percentage of his winnings.

On that basis, in the euphoria of victory, Ortiz had hoped to make as much as $130,000. When Kuchar left Mexico, the caddie said, he was under the impression that he would still receive a bonus.

By Sunday night of the tournament, Kuchar’s smiling face was sunburned and covered in stubble. He and Ortiz posed for pictures together with the winner’s trophy. Later, Ortiz said the golfer handed him an envelope with his payment in cash in it and said, ”There you go. Thank you. Bye.”

Ortiz said the envelope contained $100s, $50s, $20s and $5s that it added up to exactly $5,000. He counted it after Kuchar had handed it to him and left.

In January, at the Sony Open in Honolulu, Kuchar was asked by reporters about what he had paid Ortiz. He said, “That’s not a story. It wasn’t 10 percent. It wasn’t $3,000.”
Kuchar and El Tucan pose with the winning trophy.
The payment dispute became Tour fodder when Tom Gillis, a former Tour player, tweeted about it in January. Ortiz said he did not know how Gillis heard about it. He also said he was offended by some of the comments he read about the dispute. “I read, ‘That’s a lot of money, for a Mexican,’” referring to Gillis’s initial claim, that Ortiz was paid $3,000. But Ortiz also said he had read many supportive messages on social media.

Ortiz lives in a small cinderblock house that is a 20-minute bus ride to the course. He said with a more substantial payment, he and his common-law wife had hoped to start a laundromat. As for the $5,000 he made, Ortiz said most of it had been spent on painting the house, buying new curtains and a mirror for it and flying his young daughter home from Veracruz, Mexico, for Christmas. He said his caddie services at the Mayakoba resort were in higher demand since Kuchar’s win there. He said he makes as much as $200 on a good day as a club caddie, though half that is more typical.

In victory, Kuchar said of Ortiz, “He was definitely my lucky charm. He brought me good luck and certainly some extra crowd support and did a great job as well. He did just what I was hoping for and looking for.”

In an interview after the tournament, Ortiz said the most useful thing he said to Kuchar came on Sunday on the back nine. “’You need to calm down,’” Ortiz said he told him. “He was very nervous.”

The first ending was a happy one. The second was not. Ortiz said he still hoped to receive another $45,000 from Kuchar, for a total of $50,000, the sum he thinks is a fair share of Kuchar’s $1.3 million first-place check.

“Maybe I will,” he said. He acknowledged that it is more likely he won’t.

Michael Bamberger may be reached at Michael_Bamberger@Golf.com.


Kuchar agreed to $3K plus a bonus turns out the bonus was another $2K not bad for a few days work but a lot less than Tour caddies would have received ....Oritz hoping for $50K but not expecting to get it seems a reasonable ask and a most likely prognostication ....when Oritz knocked back the second offer of $15K I think he was foolish...hoping that Kuchar would feel guilty and up the offer ...that didn't happen and Kuchar is looking a miserable prick...and Oritz is left with a miserable $5K.

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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-13, 01:09 PM
"that didn't happen and Kuchar is looking a miserable prick"

Which he is.

He probably took it from the Mickelson handbook.
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Post by: Skybeau on 2019-Feb-13, 01:38 PM
"that didn't happen and Kuchar is looking a miserable prick"

Which he is.

He probably took it from the Mickelson handbook.

Phil is pretty liberal spending his money from what I've heard.
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Feb-13, 01:59 PM
Also liberal in taking advantage of insider trading information and liberal in dodging taxes etc.

I could be wrong but has a reputation as a bit of a  :censored:  also.

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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Feb-13, 02:42 PM
And he’s a cheat
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-14, 11:30 AM
One for the unionists a bit up market for most I expect but the motto speaks for itself.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-17, 02:42 PM
Golf World
GENESIS OPEN11 hours ago
Matt Kuchar's mea culpa: 'I was stubborn, hard headed...I missed the boat with this one'
Brian Wacker

PACIFIC PALISADES, Calif. — The PGA Tour has been more like the Apology Tour this week at the Genesis Open, at least in between an impressive first couple of rounds by co-leaders Justin Thomas and Adam Scott at a wet and wild Riviera Country Club.

First, it was Sergio Garcia, offering up a mea culpa for his temper tantrums that led to disqualification two weeks ago in Saudi Arabia, followed by a string of social media posts that showed him taking selfies with fans, handing out goodies to kids and making nice with the troops. Then the next best thing that could have happened to him did: Matt Kuchar.

After playing to a crowd that included more than a few hecklers over having paid his fill-in caddie a paltry sum ($5,000) en route to winning ($1.29 million) in Mexico last fall, not to mention a media and public relations firestorm that was quickly engulfing him, Kuchar issued a statement apologizing for the matter and said he’d paid the caddie, David Ortiz, the full amount ($50,000) that he’d requested.

Finishing his second round on Saturday morning, he addressed the issue again, this time fielding questions from reporters and explaining why he had a change of heart after only a few days earlier having maintained the original arrangement was a fair one and that he wasn’t losing any sleep over the situation.

RELATED: Let's break down Matt Kuchar's response to his caddie controversy and see how it's not helping

“I was stubborn, hard headed,” Kuchar said. “In my mind I had it as a deal is a deal, but after I won the tournament, a deal wasn't a deal. Not a good deal. Any transaction, all parties should come out feeling like they've won, and certainly in David’s case he did not feel like he won in that situation and I needed to make that right. It's as simple as that.”

Kuchar added that he called Ortiz in Mexico on Friday night but that the call went to voicemail and he left a message. The two still haven’t been able to speak.

Next week, Kuchar is scheduled to play at the WGC-Mexico Championship.

“I don't know if ‘soul searching’ is the right term,” Kuchar said when asked what the last few days have been like. “I think I live my life and try to live my life in pretty simple terms. I find things basic. You treat people the way you want to be treated. You know, that one, and then you put the shoe on the other foot. I think those are like two simple rules that I think I've always followed, I think everybody should follow.

“I missed the boat with this one.”


Better late than never Kuchar wouldn't miss $50K it's just like a round of drinks Oritz should be happy now.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-18, 08:05 AM
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ADELAIDE, Australia — The scissor-kick was familiar. Joining her father, Petr, her brother, Sebastian, and her older sister, Jessica, Nelly Korda can call herself an Australian Open champion. Dad and little brother won their titles at tennis (1998 and 2018); the sisters on the golf course (Jessica winning in 2012).

More specifically, 20-year-old Nelly completed the family Grand Slam with a final-round 67 on the West Course at The Grange Golf Club to clinch a two-shot victory over defending champion Jin-Young Ko of South Korea. It was Korda’s second LPGA victory, only five months from her first, the 2018 Swinging Skirts LPGA Taiwan Championship.

This one was special though. On the eve of the event, the rising American talent had spoken with no little frustration of her desire to emulate the feats of her nearest and dearest. “I have yet to figure out how to play in Australia, to be honest,” she said. “Last year, I think I was in every bunker. The courses are a bit different out here. So I'm going to take some time this week to prepare.”

Clearly, she did it well. En route to her winning total of 17-under 271, Korda made a remarkable 28 birdies. Only Angel Kim in fourth place came close to that total with 26.

“I think there’s something in the air here in Australia,” Korda said with a smile. “I’m just happy to finally be a part of the club. I kind of felt left out. But I was playing all day for my parents, and I’m really proud of that.”

Nelly Korda
Korda's closing 67 gave her an comfortable two-stroke victory.

Still, this latest victory for the middle-child in this remarkable family should come as no surprise. Last year the world No. 16 missed only four cuts in 22 starts, picked up more than $1 million in prize money, achieved that maiden victory and established herself as a strong contender for the U.S. Solheim Cup side that will defend the trophy against the Europeans at Gleneagles in Scotland this September.

Making the team would, however, make Nelly only the second Korda to appear in the biennial contest. Sister Jessica was part of the first American side to lose on home soil in 2013 and qualified again in 2017, before injury forced her to withdraw.

RELATED: Bogey-free final round gives Nelly Korda first LPGA title

For all that high level of success, Korda’s stated aim for the months ahead is “greater consistency.”

“When the tournaments are coming thick and fast,” she says, “it’s easy to get a bit fatigued. So my Dad and I have been looking at my scheduling for the coming months. I’m not going to play any more than four in a row this year. That’s my maximum. Asia is especially tough for me. I find it tough to stay strong mentally after three weeks of that sort of schedule. It’s tough to feel 100 percent when you are tired, and that can lead to more injuries. I can tell when I’m tired though. My shots tend to start going all over.”

They didn’t do much of that in Adelaide, not during a final round where she started with a three-shot edge and saw it grow as large as six by the 12th, the result of five birdies in a six-hole run. Thereafter, only Ko—whose closing 64 was the low round of the week—came close to making a realistic challenge. Indeed, when Ko made her eight and final birdie on the 18th green, there was a moment of doubt as Korda dropped a shot at the 15th.

Only a moment though. Korda’s birdie at the penultimate hole—where she holed from 15 feet—restored the two-shot lead she maintained with a par on the last.
Really good efforts by all the players great viewing looks a very nice course.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Feb-19, 10:27 AM
Putters go missing for Perth play

@hulabulajim CM today.

TOP golfer Wade Ormsby is fuming that he had two putters stolen from inside the locker room at Perth’s Lake Karrinyup Country Club.

A PGA of Australia spokesman confirmed yesterday that “putters were reported missing from the bags of six players” before Sunday’s final round of the World Super 6 Perth tournament.

Without his favourite flat stick, Ormsby bowed out in the first wave of Sunday’s matchplay knockout rounds after an epic putt on Saturday had got him through.

The thieves targeted top-ofthe-range Scotty Cameron putters that retail for $500-plus before the Tour-only modifications for pros.

“Please help...STOLEN out of locker room...not a nice feeling,” Ormsby tweeted.

Scotland’s Conor Syme was another victim even though his Scotty Cameron has the initials “CS” embossed on the face. French pro Adrien Saddier kindly offered Ormsby a similar putter before discovering his had been stolen too.

“The locker room is secured and we are working with the club, the security team and the police to establish how this occurred,’’ said Natalie McIlroy, the PGA of Australia’s general manager of Tournament and Event Operations


What a low act thieving tea leaves getting into players locker rooms you would think the cops will have CCTV I know my golf club does.......one of my occasional golfing mates told me he lost a new Odyssey putter and a wedge a couple of weeks ago leaving them behind on the 18th green ...this was a Saturday members comp and neither club has been handed in ..hard to imagine at least one member in the following groups wouldn't have noticed them picked them up and FORGOT to hand them in ...bloody disgraceful :thumbsd:.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Mar-10, 09:29 AM
Legendary golf writer Dan Jenkins passed away aged 90 wonderful tribite if a bit long on Golf Digest.

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Finally, on Thursday night, March 7, 2019, at 90, His Ownself.
He long ago picked out the exit music: Vera Lynn singing “We’ll meet again.” As for the carving on his stone, while he supposed he should go with something Oscar Wilde-ish like “Ah, now for the greatest adventure of them all,” the inscription he floated at the Hall was more his style: “I knew this would happen.”
What it was, was great.
Dead solid perfect.
Eddie be funny.
A news dog.
Best In Show.

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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Mar-10, 11:12 AM
Just got back from playing both the Lost Farm & the Dunes @ Barnbougle.
2 cracking good courses :thumbsup:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Mar-11, 12:39 PM
How important putting is ....................Jeff Maggert's 5 putt Ernie went one worse with a 6 ...I have had many four putts but I'm only playing for enjoyment.


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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Mar-26, 05:23 PM
One of my golfing mates sent me this email a new style of putter S7K a mallet style graphite shaft mid size grip ...it stands upright behind the ball very long winded commercial cut to the cost $129USD about $181AUD plus GST and freight worth a look if you believe the spiel.


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Post by: timw on 2019-Mar-27, 07:14 PM
What a load of rubbish - having said that a friend of mine might love the putter because he lines up the putter head and then stands behind it to check the direction before taking his final stance. Another friend who has a had several strokes (of the medical kind) has one of the best putting strokes I have seen from a hacker - just so smooth through the swing. 
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Apr-01, 08:39 AM

Golf Digest recounts some of the late Dan Jenkins stories on some of the great golf matches he witnessed during his long career......in the Jack Nicklaus v Bobby Jones match he wrote” Jack conceded the 16th after he inadvertently caused his ball to move in the rough while picking away a leaf just behind it. No one else saw it happen. “That was sporting of you, Jack,” Jones said on the way to the 17th tee. Replied Jack: “Bob, it’s like you said—you might as well praise a man for not robbing a bank.”

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Post by: Rodent on 2019-Apr-15, 10:26 AM
Tiger is the GOAT
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Apr-15, 07:53 PM
Mmm, not sure about that but he was certainly given a leg up by the others today.

He was very smart with his shot selection on the back nine
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jun-09, 08:02 PM
BRISBANE’S Victoria Park golf course will be closed down to make way for the city’s biggest public park in over half a century.

The Sunday Mail can reveal Brisbane City Council will transform the inner-city golf course into a 45ha green sanctuary, complete with water features, woodlands and gardens.

The new park, dubbed the Victoria Park Vision, will be the second biggest in Brisbane when completed, behind the Mt Coot-tha Botanic Gardens, and will be more than double the size of the City Botanic Gardens.

Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner said council would consider a range of ¬opportunities for the new mega-park, including pop-up cinemas, markets and “revolutionary” play areas for all ages.

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“Council will involve the community in every step of this planning process and will hold forums and public consultation as well as engage experts to create the best design for this green space,” he said.

 Brisbane’s Victoria Park golf course will be transformed.

“The Victoria Park Vision will double the size of the existing park and deliver a green link that boosts the connectivity of the city fringe, including Kelvin Grove, Herston, Bowen Hills and the Brisbane showgrounds.”

Cr Schrinner also pointed to other examples of inner-city parklands, such as Central Park in New York City and Hyde Park in London, which are home to free attractions and hundreds of trees.

The council will allocate $1 million to the park in their upcoming budget and will begin work on the project in 2021, when the existing golf course will be permanently closed.

The golf course site is entirely owned by the council and patronage numbers have decreased by about 16 per cent over the past eight years.

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 Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner has shared the Victoria Park Vision. Pictu Jamie Hanson

Cr Schrinner said council would work with the current tenants to ensure the popular driving range, putt-putt course, wedding venue and function centre are part of the new parkland.

“People love and value the existing putt putt course and driving range, with more than 180,000 people using these facilities in the past financial year,” he said.

The council said work was already under way to improve access to the park, where car parking is available.

“Both lines of the high-frequency Brisbane Metro will transport passengers directly to the parkland via the Herston and Kelvin Grove stations in the future,” Cr Schrinner told The Sunday Mail.


Another golf course gone Council owns St Lucia golf course and is developing a new one out Carina way Minnippi Parklands I believe it's called. North Lakes a privately owned course in the outer suburbs closer to Redcliffe than Brisbane is also being sold for housing residents who purchased property in the suburb to be close to the golf course are trying to fight the sale but IMO have the job in front of them which is a pity .......recently some members of PGC resigned to buy property and join Gainsborough Greens golf course down the Pacific Motorway where tradffic is a nightmare ......this may turn out  to be a risky move if the course owners decide there's more money in land sales than operating a golf club.

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Post by: gunbower on 2019-Jun-09, 08:43 PM
As usual some half wit who has been the Mayor for three weeks tries to expunge decades of history. Given that most of South Eastern Queenslands' local Government Councils have been found corrupt it beggars belief if the CMC are not all over this nonsense. At the very least the Local Government Minister (and we know who he is ) should intervene and tell this imbecile to but out , until at the very least someone votes for him.
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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jun-09, 08:57 PM
Unfortunately with some of the new housing estates having courses built in, some councils are moving away from public or green fees getting higher and higher.

As kids who used to play a few sports, we would play some of the public courses in Sydney with our second hand clubs.

Nowadays, most councils realise upkeep is expensive and land can be used for other purposes which benefits all communities.

No winners either way and a lot of tradition or culture is removed. I fear most public golf courses will go the way of the bowling clubs in the next 20 year’s especially in Sydney and Melbourne.
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Post by: timw on 2019-Jun-10, 06:23 PM
The problem with some public courses in Melbourne is the demographic - no teenagers - just grey heads and the like. 

Yarra Bend has a younger demographic than Waverley or Morack and now has a car park with heaps of German branded cars.  I reckon the working class players of  years ago would turn in their graves if they visited the Yarra Bend car park.   The car parks at Waverley and Morack also have  a good number of German branded cars - too much money in Melbourne!. 

My guess is Freeway (ex Camberwell  even though it was never in that suburb) will probably end up as 9 holes once the north south link freeway is built unless the neighbouring council tips in some land to keep it at 18 holes.  Freeway has much better fairways and greens than Yarra Bend. 

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jun-17, 05:02 PM
Pay Day At Pebble Beach.....Gary Woodland all the way.
GoLf Digest
U.S. Open 2019: Here's the prize money payout for each golfer at Pebble Beach
By Ryan Herrington
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PEBBLE BEACH — A month ago the USGA announced that it was increasing the prize money payout for the U.S. Open to $12.5 million overall, with winner Gary Woodland receiving $2.25 million for his effort. This matches the purse at the Players Championship as the most lucrative tournament on the PGA Tour, and keeps the USGA’s marquee event ahead of the other three majors in terms of big-money paydays. (Masters, $11.5 million; PGA Championship, $11 million; Open Championship $10.5 million)

It’s not, however, until you break down the amount of money doled out for all the spots in the field that the largesse comes into full focus. Simply consider how much some notable past U.S. Open champions made when they won their titles and then look at what the players will be taking in this week, and the disparity is striking.

When Horace Rawlins won the inaugural championship in 1895, he claimed $150. Last place on Sunday will earn, $21,229, or 141 times what Rawlins made.

Since World War II, here’s how much some of the notable winners have earned for their victories:

1950: Ben Hogan at Merion, $4,000
1960: Arnold Palmer at Cherry Hills, $14,400
1962: Jack Nicklaus at Oakmont, $15,000
1973: Johnny Miller at Oakmont, $35,000
1982: Tom Watson at Pebble Beach,$60,000
1992: Tom Kite at Pebble Beach, $275,000
2000: Tiger Woods at Pebble Beach, $800,000
2010: Graeme McDowell at Pebble Beach, $1.35 million
And consider the career U.S. Open earnings of some of the game’s all-time greats. Jack Nicklaus, in 44 U.S. Open starts, made $363,955, slightly more than the player who finishes in eighth place will earn just this week. Arnold Palmer, in 32 U.S. Open starts, made $112,119.50. Finish 23rd on Sunday, and you’ve made more. Ben Hogan’s career U.S. Open earnings ($32,651.66) get beat by the 47th-place finisher.

Long story short: They played for a lot of loot this weekend. And here is how much everybody who made the cut earned:

Win: Gary Woodland, -13, $2,250,000
2: Brooks Koepka, -10, $1,350,000
T-3: Xander Schauffele, -7, $581,872
T-3: Jon Rahm, -7, $581,872
T-3: Chez Reavie, -7, $581,872
T-3: Justin Rose, -7, $581,872
T-7: Adam Scott, -6, $367,387
T-7: Louis Oosthuizen, -6, $367,387
T-9: Henrik Stenson, -5, $288,715
T-9: Chesson Hadley, -5, $288,715
T-9: Rory McIlroy, -5, $288,715
T-12: Viktor Hovland, -4, Amateur
T-12: Matt Fitzpatrick, -4, $226,609
T-12: Matt Wallace, -4, $226,609
T-12: Danny Willett, -4, $226,609
RELATED: The biggest story at Pebble Beach was the one that didn't happen

T-16: Webb Simpson, -3, $172,455
T-16: Francesco Molinari, -3, $172,455
T-16: Byeong Hun An, -3, $172,455
T-16: Graeme McDowell, -3, $172,455
T-16: Matt Kuchar, -3, $172,455
T-21: Paul Casey, -2, $117,598
T-21: Alex Prugh, -2, $117,598
T-21: Tiger Woods, -2, $117,598
T-21: Jason Day, -2, $117,598
T-21: Tyrrell Hatton, -2, $117,598
T-21: Hideki Matsuyama, -2, $117,598
T-21: Patrick Cantlay, -2, $117,598
RELATED: The Sunday-at-Pebble-Beach Diary: Gary Woodland and the Magical Scrambles

T-28: Sepp Straka, -1, $86,071
T-28: Shane Lowry, -1, $86,071
T-28: Jim Furyk, -1, $86,071
T-28: Nate Lashley, -1, $86,071
T-32: Marcus Kinhult, E, $72,928
T-32: Patrick Reed, E, $72,928
T-32: Billy Horschel, E, $72,928
T-35: Aaron Wise, +1, $57,853
T-35: Bryson DeChambeau, +1, $57,853
T-35: Collin Morikawa, +1, $57,853
T-35: Martin Kaymer, +1, $57,853
T-35: Jason Dufner, +1, $57,853
T-35: Marc Leishman, +1, $57,853
T-35: Dustin Johnson, +1, $57,853
T-35: Brandon Wu, +1, Amateur
T-43: Andrew Putnam, +2, $41,500
T-43: Rory Sabbatini, +2, $41,500
T-43: Erik Van Rooyen, +2, $41,500
T-43: Tom Hoge, +2, $41,500
T-43: Rickie Fowler, +2, $41,500
T-43: Nick Taylor, +2, $41,500
RELATED: The clubs that Gary Woodland used to win at Pebble Beach

T-49: Kevin Kisner, +3, $31,385
T-49: Daniel Berger, +3, $31,385
T-49: Abraham Ancer, +3, $31,385
T-52: Phil Mickelson, +4, $27,181
T-52: Charles Howell III, +4, $27,181
T-52: Carlos Ortiz, +4, $27,181
T-52: Sergio Garcia, +4, $27,181
T-52: Haotong Li, +4, $27,181
T-52: Scott Piercy, +4, $27,181
T-58: Charlie Danielson, +5, $25,350
T-58: Zach Johnson, +5, $25,350
T-58: Andy Pope, +5, $25,350
T-58: Adri Arnaus, +5, $25,350
T-58: Harris English, +5, $25,350
T-58: Emiliano Grillo, +5, $25,350
T-58: Chandler Eaton, +5, Amateur
T-65: Justin Walters, +6, $23,851
T-65: Kyle Stanley, +6, $23,851
T-65: Brian Stuard, +6, $23,851
T-65: Rafa Cabrera Bello, +6, $23,851
T-65: Tommy Fleetwood, +6, $23,851
T-65: Jordan Spieth, +6, $23,851
71: Rhys Enoch, +7, $22,977
T-72: Cameron Smith, +8, $22,353
T-72: Luke Donald, +8, $22,353
T-72: Clement Sordet, +8, $22,353
T-72: Billy Hurley III, +8, $22,353
76: Bernd Wiesberger, +10, $21,728
77: Brandt Snedeker, +11, $21,478
78: Chip McDaniel, +13, $21,224
79: Michael Thorbjornsen, +20, Amateur
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jun-17, 05:27 PM
Exceptional performance from Woodland. Thought Brooks was a tad unlucky in that he shaved the hole on quite a few birdie putts
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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jun-17, 06:13 PM
Quite interesting how some of the golfers that people were thinking could win a few have not won a major or two in a year.

Spieth and Mcilroy have won 3 and 4 majors but none at least for a couple of years.

Reed, Walker, Day, Duffner, Johnson, Scott, Rose etc have yet to add to their tally.

Again emphasises how hard it is to play consistently over 4 rounds to win a major without the pressure.

Kopeka has done remarkably well over the past few years to win 4.
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jun-17, 06:40 PM

Kopeka has done remarkably well over the past few years to win 4.

Hasn't he ever.
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jun-17, 07:54 PM
Quite interesting how some of the golfers that people were thinking could win a few have not won a major or two in a year.

Spieth and Mcilroy have won 3 and 4 majors but none at least for a couple of years.

Golfs got a lot of instances of that happening. In the past  the likes of Woosnam, Lyle, Nick Price, Curtis Strange & a few others looked like they had the majors by the scruff of the neck but didn’t.

It takes massive talent to lead the world rankings for more than a twinkling and combine majors with it.

Faldo managed it

Personally I never fell for the hype around Rory, & Speith
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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jun-17, 09:26 PM
I think Golf is the best leveller in sport. One mistake over 270-290 swings could be the difference between a win and an also ran.

The concentration, the physical expectations to hit the targets, slope of the green, wind factor etc makes it one of the toughest mental tests  in sport.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jul-04, 10:36 AM
It takes a village: How to improve at golf
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FRom the Movie TIN CUP


Roy: I’m catching it on the hosel, right?
Romeo: Yeah right, right, right.
Roy: Moving my head?
Romeo: Yeah
Roy: I’m laying it off?
Romeo: Well that too.
Roy: I’m pronating.
Romeo: Well you’re not supinating.
Roy: I’m clearin too early, I’m clearin too late. My God, my swing feels like an unfoldin lawn chair!
Romeo: All right…take all your change and put it in your left-hand pocket. Go on, do it Roy.
Roy: All right
Romeo: Alright now, tie your…left shoe in a double knot.
Roy: Tie my left shoe?
Romeo: Right now Roy, do it! Turn the hat around backwards. Turn your hat around. Do it, Roy! Now take this tee and stick it …[pause] …behind your left ear.
Roy: Stick it…I look like a fool!
Romeo: Well what the hell you think you look like shootin them chili peppers up Lee Janzen’s ass? And you do it right now or I swear to God I’m gonna quit. I swear to God I’ll quit.
Roy: All right
Romeo: All Right, good. Now, Take this little ball, and hit it the hell up the fairway. You’re ready…[sigh]
[Roy hits the ball straight]
Roy: How’d I do that?
Romeo: Because you’re not thinking about shankin, you’re not thinkin about the Doctor Lady. You’re not thinking period. You’re just looking like a FOOL!, and you’re hitting the ball pure and simple…
Roy: That’s it?
Romeo: Yeah, That’s it. Your BRAIN was getting in the way.


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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Jul-10, 04:08 PM
This is the first year when the British Open is the last major.

I can see the benefits of it but takes a bit of time to get used to.

I think in the long run, the British Open will be even better for it.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Jul-11, 09:42 AM

Eddie Pepperell hits par 3 green with a putter, then snaps putter in half during 14 Club Challenge
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July 5, 2019
In case you haven't heard, the European Tour is really good at the whole content thing. Case in point, the tour's latest "14 Club Challenge" video featuring New Zealand's Ryan Fox and England's Eddie Pepperell, who can make just about any situation more entertaining with his presence.
But rather than pranking fellow countryman Matt Wallace or leading a "Content Committee" meeting, in this latest video we got to actually see Pepperrell hit some golf shots. Turns out he's almost as good of a player as he is a comedian.
RELATED: This Eddie Pepperell hole-in-one is almost too impossible to believe
If you haven't watched any past installments of the "14 Club Challenge" (Ho Sung Choi vs. Erik Van Rooyen is one we'd recommend), the rules are simple: each player alternates hitting tee shots on a par 3 and once one club is used it cannot be used again by either player. Whoever hits the green the most times after all 14 clubs are used is the winner. The stage for the latest edition of the challenge was the par-3 eighth at Lahinch, site of this week's Irish Open. Take it away, Eddie and Ryan:

Gotta luv Eddie one of my favourite golfers.


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Post by: ratsack on 2019-Jul-18, 07:32 PM
The Open
Rory 4 over after 1 hole
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Jul-18, 11:07 PM
Rats, That’s nothing special. I manage to get at least 2 or 3 eights every round  :lol:
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jul-19, 11:22 AM
I need some investigative assistance.

A discussion following David Duval's horrendous hole last night lead to a discussion about the highest hole score by a pro golfer.

I mentioned to another that I seem to recall a player signing a card on which his marker put his round's score as his score for the 18th so his round score was 130+or something.

I thought it was either Roberto de Vicenzo, or maybe, Kel Nagle.

A search of Google hasn't help me confirm that recollection.

There was, of course, the stioy of Roberto signing for a 4 instead of a 3 costing him the '68 Masters but nothing about what I sought.

Any helpers out there?

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Post by: timw on 2019-Jul-19, 03:48 PM
Golf Rules experts – am I right

David Duval at the British Open
From the net:
‘Duval struck three wild drives, then hit the wrong provisional ball three times - first from the deep rough then from the fairway - before being ordered all the way back to the tee box for a fourth time.
With a penalty shot for each reload plus two more penalties for playing the wrong ball, he was effectively hitting his eighth shot the fourth time around - and completed the hole in a further six strokes.’

This is the best I can do:

Rule 18.3a

You may play multiple provisional balls under penalty of stroke and distance if each previous ball may be  OOB or not lost in a penalty area.     
You can continue to play the provisional ball up to the distance that first ball is believed to have travelled (Rule 18.3c). I assume all three drives travelled about the same distance so rule 18.3c is unnecessary. 
Up until wrong ball discovered:

After the first ball is lost Mr Duval finds both his first provisional ball which he assumes to be his second provisional ball and picks it up and finds and plays his second provisional ball three times.  At this point it seems he has made 5 actual strokes ( 1 x first ball and 4 x second ball) and incurred one penalty stroke under rule 18.2b for a total of 6 strokes (the stroke made with the second provisional ball is not counted at this point as no error in playing the provisional balls had yet been discovered).   

Wrong ball discovered:   

Rule 6.3c Wrong Ball

Penalty for Playing Wrong Ball: General penalty
Rule 1.3 general penalty in Stroke Play is two strokes.

It seems to me that at this point the stroke made with the other provisional ball should now be counted as it was in play as soon as the other ball is lost (or OOB) (Rule 18.3c) and two penalty strokes should be added for playing the wrong ball for a total 9 strokes (inc. 3 penalty strokes).

Under stroke play as Mr Duval hadn’t commenced playing the next hole when he discovered his error the strokes made with the wrong ball do not count so he deducts 4 strokes and has a tally of 5 strokes (1 x original ball +1 x first provisional ball + 3 penalty strokes (1x lost ball + 2 x wrong ball). 

As Mr Duval  picked up his first provisional ball (ball then in play) the rules must be examined to work out what happens next.

Under Wrong Ball Rule 6.3c in stroke play you must correct the mistake by continuing play with the original ball by playing it as it lies or taking relief under the rules.

The first alternative is no longer possible unless the player is allowed to put the first provisional ball back where it was found and I cannot find a rule permitting this.  Therefore the second alternative applies and relief must be taken.   

Rule 14.6 applies in a number of situations including where a stroke is cancelled or otherwise does not count.  I infer that before Rule 14.6 comes into operation something must have happened to which Rules 14.1 to 14.5 apply.  The only one that may apply is Rule 14.4 which refers to a case when a ball is back in play after the original ball was out of play and says to see full rules. 

Rule 14.4 at:  https://www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/rules/the-rules-of-golf/rule-14

14.4 When Player’s Ball is Back in Play after Original Ball Was Out of Play
When a player’s ball in play is lifted from the course or is lost or out of bounds, the ball is no longer in play.
The player has a ball in play again only when he or she:
Plays the original ball or another ball from the teeing area, or
Replaces, drops or places the original ball or another ball on the course with the intent for that ball to be in play.
If the player returns a ball to the course in any way with the intent for it to be in play, the ball is in play even if it was:
Substituted for the original ball when not allowed under the Rules, or
Replaced, dropped or placed (1) in a wrong place, (2) in a wrong way or (3) by using a procedure that did not apply.
A replaced ball is in play even if the ball-marker marking its spot has not been removed.

It seems to me that as the player intends to and does put another (substituted) ball back in play rule 14.4 is enlivened.  Therefore rule 14.6 applies:  As the most recent stroke to be counted was made from the teeing area (the stroke with the first provisional ball) the next stroke must be made from the teeing area.  Mr Duval did do so and this was stroke 6.  As Mr Duval is playing from the wrong place (the teeing area rather than the place where the first provisional ball came to rest he gets the general penalty of 2 strokes under Rule 14.7b as it is not a serious breach of the rules. 

In total after his fourth tee shot Mr Duval has made 3 strokes at a ball and incurred  5 penalty strokes for a total of 8 strokes. 
A tough day at the office.

PS: If he had not played from the teeing area but from where the first provisional ball was found it seems to me a General Penalty of 2 strokes could apply under Rule 14.6 which is in effect the social golf rule used to speed up play however that might give him an unfair advantage compared to Rule 14.7b and if it were a serious breach of the rules and he would be disqualified. 


PPS I would have thought a horror day for a pro would be a score in the 90s
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Post by: ratsack on 2019-Jul-19, 07:53 PM
so we get Tiger at +6 with more TV time than many others  FFS
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Post by: ratsack on 2019-Jul-19, 08:00 PM
so we get Tiger at +6 with more TV time than many others  FFS

AND finally Cam Smith 3 under we get to see 2 putts

telecast taken over by Yanks
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Post by: timw on 2019-Jul-20, 08:49 AM
Re David Duval's really bad hole in Round 1 - change to 'facts' recorded above

According to today's Age: he thought he was playing his third ball until he realised at the green it was the wrong ball - he could not find the correct ball - so was obliged to return to the tee and start all over again - he was playing 9 of the tee - and took 6 more shots- the marker put it down as a 15 - and then after the scorers erroneously decided the third provisional did not count, it was up dated to a 14.

I am struggling with this. In the ordinary course of events he would play his second ball (first provisional ball) which he did.  The question then is what about the loss of a subsequent provisional ball(s). The message seems to be that you need to lose balls in the order in which you hit them so you are better off only hitting one provisional ball to reduce the chance of hitting a wrong ball. If you hit 3 balls off the tee lose the first and third but find the second you are deemed to have lost all three and need to go back and hit a fourth. So his fourth ball was his 7th stroke (including lost ball penalties) plus 2 strokes for a wrong ball gives a total of nine off the tee.  If he had another 6 shots after his fourth tee shot that totals 15 for the hole rather than 14 stated in the paper.  Something doesn't make sense here,

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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Jul-20, 01:49 PM
Dunno about anyone else but my head's spinning, tim.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Aug-02, 08:31 PM
Final round earlier than expected
NORTH Lakes Golf Club will close on August 11 with more than 25 staff told yesterday that they will be out of a job in the transformation to a retirement village.

Golf shop workers, bar staff and course maintenance crew were informed the last rounds would be played on course that day with a contract of sale finalised earlier than forecast.

The closing date caught the active Save North Lakes Golf Course group by surprise because they had planned a fundraising golf day on August 11 to aid the fight.

Some staff will have employment options when The Village Retirement Group repurposes the 68ha site for a retirement village, aged care facility and large tracts of public open space.

Young pro Dane McArdle, who worked two or three days a week part-time in the North Lakes golf shop, said it was sad to see the quality layout close.

“As a golf course, this is one of the best in Brisbane and it’s definitely disappointing to see it close,” Mr McArdle said. “The club did a lot for me with time off to play events, use of the practice facilities and giving me work when I returned to help fund my golf career.”

The demise of the course after 17 years was hastened when owner Adam Simpson was confronted by losses and patronage continued to decline over the past 12 months.


Big loss of amenity for all of the locals who bought homes at North Lakes to play golf ....you would have to question the decision of the Moreton Council if they have approved the change from sport and recreation to commercial development for a retirement village ...possibly the locals may have some legal remedies if they can afford the costs involved in attempting to save the golf course .

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Aug-27, 12:26 PM
How much each player won at the 2019 Tour ChampionshipPublished 12 hours ago on Aug 26, 2019 By Gianni Magliocco

If you didn’t know already, Rory McIlroy’s clutch Sunday performance at the Tour Championship earned him a whopping $15 million payday, after what was a riveting four days of action at East Lake. For the runner-up, Xander Schauffele took home $5 million, an amount which is over 33 percent of his PGA Tour earnings for his career thus far.

There was a staggering $60 million to play for over the weekend in Atlanta, and here’s a break down of what each player in the 30-man field earned at the Tour finale.

1: Rory McIlroy, $15,000,000

2: Xander Schauffele, -14, $5,000,000

T-3: Justin Thomas, -13, $3,500,000

T-3: Brooks Koepka, -13, $3,500,000

5: Paul Casey, -9, $2,500,000

6: Adam Scott, -8, $1,900,000

7: Tony Finau, -7, $1,300,000

8: Chez Reavie, -6, $1,100,000

T-9: Patrick Reed, -5, $843,333.33

T-9: Hideki Matsuyama, -5, $843,333.33

T-9: Kevin Kisner, -5, $843,333.33

T-12: Bryson DeChambeau, -4, $682,500

T-12: Jon Rahm, -4, $682,500

14: Jason Kokrak, -3, $620,000

15: Gary Woodland, -2, $595,000

T-16: Tommy Fleetwood, -1, $551,666.67

T-16: Webb Simpson, -1, $551,666.67

T-16: Matt Kuchar, -1, $551,666.67

T-19: Singjae Im, E, $512,500

T-19: Rickie Fowler, E, $512,500

T-21: Louis Oosthuizen, +1, $478,000

T-21: Abraham Ancer, +1, $478,000

T-21: Patrick Cantlay, +1, $478,000

T-24: Marc Leishman, +2, $450,500

T-24: Brandt Snedeker, +2, $450,500

T-26: Justin Rose, +3, $430,000

T-26: Corey Conners, +3, $430,000

28: Charles Howell III, +4, $415,000

T-29: Dustin Johnson, +10, $400,000

T-29: Lucas Glover, +10, $400,000


Obscene so much money where does it come from and what's in it for those who fund it?

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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Aug-27, 02:49 PM
US$s I take it.

So Rory picks up A$22,000,000

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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Sep-27, 09:42 AM
The Old Course Caddy how it's done at the home of golf......from My Golf Spy.


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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Oct-04, 08:43 PM
A former PGA Tour player has been suspended from the Korean Tour for three years after making an obscene gesture during Sunday's final round of the DGB Financial Group Volvik Daegu Gyeongbuk Open. Yes, that's correct. Three years.
According to the AFP, Bio Kim flipped off the crowd and slammed his club in frustration after hearing a fan's cell phone go off while he hit a shot on the 16th hole. Kim held a one-shot lead at the time and wound up winning for his second KPGA title of the season. After, he apologized for his outburst. Apparently, it wasn't enough to keep the tour's governing body from issuing a stiff punishment.
The KPGA reached a unanimous decision to fine Kim $8,350 (Or 10 million won) and suspend him for three years. The tour's current leader in money and player of the year points will not be allowed to finish the season.


That's an overreaction if ever I've seen one rough justice you would think he'll stand up for hisself and seek a judicioal review assuming the Korean justice system allows such an opportunity.

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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Oct-21, 03:17 PM
Went and got a lesson today. Pulled my whole game apart and having to start from scratch again  :lol:

New grip, new backswing and follow through.....god it feels awkward
Like watching a 4yo try and swing a telegraph pole  :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Oct-23, 07:18 PM
Went and got a lesson today. Pulled my whole game apart and having to start from scratch again   :lol:  

New grip, new backswing and follow through.....god it feels awkward
Like watching a 4yo try and swing a telegraph pole   :lol:

Might be money well spent......changes always take time to get used to and you must have confidence that they'll work.

Good Luck :beer:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Dec-11, 08:10 AM
The Presidents Cup Royal Melbourne and the Patrick Reed controversy Golf Digest


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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-11, 08:38 AM

Didn't help him much. :)
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-11, 08:51 AM
It's about the first thing you learn at Golf.

"Don't ground your club in a bunker"
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Post by: specialweek2 on 2019-Dec-11, 09:24 AM
It's about the first thing you learn at Golf.

"Don't ground your club in a bunker"
Not the case anymore. Grounding club is allowed.
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-11, 10:02 AM
Didn't know that.  :o

It's awhile since I played. :embarrassed:

I suppose they allow a tree iron now.

That's what we used to call the foot a cheat used by kicking the ball from up against a tree out onto the fairway when he thought no one was watching.   
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Post by: ratsack on 2019-Dec-15, 05:34 PM
nice try by the INT but the yanks just pipped us .
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Post by: Jeunes on 2019-Dec-15, 06:38 PM
nice try by the INT but the yanks just pipped us .

Watched a fair bit on tv today and the Yanks stuck on really well.

Impressed with Finau’s comeback to square after being 4 down to level then fall behind before squaring up again.

Scott was disappointing today and to be blunt I expected better.

The Americans have got some good young golfers.

No Day for the internationals but US did not have Koepka, Johnson while Spieth was probably not ranked high enough to get an automatic spot.

The internationals will rue today as the one that got away.
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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2019-Dec-15, 07:16 PM
I was very impressed by the young Korean guy Sungjae Im.  emthup
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Post by: specialweek2 on 2019-Dec-15, 10:37 PM
I was very impressed by the young Korean guy Sungjae Im.   emthup
7 rookies. They did better than ok.
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2019-Dec-16, 06:49 AM
They certainly did blow the chance to win
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Post by: Arsenal on 2019-Dec-23, 09:38 AM
Rule infringements .......a few examples from Golf Digest.


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Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Jan-07, 08:18 PM
Larry Canning's "LARRYS" a touch of fun extracted from Inside Golf a monthly magazine widely distributed throughout golf clubs some retail outlets and on line.


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Post by: JWesleyHarding on 2020-Feb-16, 05:14 PM
I've been watching golf tournaments since Kel Nagle was knee-high to a grasshopper (maybe a bit of exaggeration) and I've never seen a more roller coaster finish than that of the Queensland PGA today.

I didn't quite catch why Michael Sim was playing without a caddie.

If it was to save money you'd think someone would have at least offered to pull his  buggy around for the play-off holes. 
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Feb-16, 07:37 PM
It was hilarious viewing seeing those blokes pulling a buggy. Oh, and I could certainly relate to the last, erratic, 5 holes.
What about the leader who chunked his way around t9 finish bogey, bogey, double bogey and missed a tap in to not only lose the lead but miss the play off

I’ll feel much better on the first tee at Stonecutters tomorrow   :lol:
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Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Feb-16, 09:24 PM

Sim survives chaos and playoff to win QLD PGA

By Australian Golf Media media release Feb 16 2020 7:05PM

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Gold Coast-based Michael Sim has completed the Queensland quinella after dropped shots and scoring miscalculations saw the final round of the Coca-Cola Queensland PGA Championship conclude in chaotic fashion.

After he stormed to the top of the leaderboard with a course record nine-under 61 in the opening round at City Golf Club in Toowoomba on Thursday, Brad Kennedy spent the next 54 holes trying to keep the field at bay.

With a one-shot buffer at the start of the final round, Kennedy picked up shots at the 3rd, 5th and 12th holes to be 15 under and four shots clear of Sim and the chasing pack with three holes to play before disaster struck.

The Queenslander dropped shots at both 16 and 17 to fall to 13 under and stood on the 18th tee with the understanding that Sydney’s Scott Arnold was safely ensconced in the clubhouse on the same score.

It wasn’t until after Kennedy had hit his tee shot into the left rough that he was informed Arnold had in fact posted 12 under and that par would be enough to complete a wire-to-wire win.

It also opened the door for Sim, who was in prime position in the centre of the fairway and needing a birdie to also get to 12 under and keep his faint title hopes alive.

“Walking off 15 I thought any chance of winning was almost gone,” Sim admitted after a par at the fourth playoff hole was enough to defeat Arnold, a close mate who is hitching a lift back to the Gold Coast on Sunday evening.

“Everything just happened so fast. I stood on the 18th tee at 11 (under) and Scott was in at 13. I actually asked Graeme Scott the tournament director whether Scott had finished at 13. He’s a mate of mine and I thought I was gone but he said he’d actually finished at 12.

“Brad was over in the trees and I saw him lay up and I thought, I’ve got a chance here if I hit a good shot and birdie it, which I did.

“I didn’t have my best stuff today – I don’t really think anyone near the top of the leaderboard did. Everyone kept falling away and it was nice to hit a great 8-iron into the last there in regulation and give myself a chance in the playoff.”

After choosing to lay up from deep rough with his second shot, Kennedy three-putted the 72nd hole to miss the playoff entirely, Sim and Arnold trading pars and bogies from all sides of the 18th hole until Sim prevailed at the fourth attempt with an up-and-down from just left of the green.

Sim’s Queensland Open victory at Brisbane Golf Club in 2017 was his first in eight years and a career that once promised all the highs that professional golf has to offer has been in a state of flux ever since.

Now a father with a young son, Sim won the WA Open in October last year but faced such an uncertain future in tournament golf that he is halfway through completing his PGA of Australia bridging course at Burleigh Golf Club.

It’s a far cry from the young man who went toe-to-toe with Tiger Woods in the final round of the 2009 US Open and his latest win ensures the tentacles of pro golf’s lure remain semi-attached.

“I might go to America and do some pre-qualifiers, I don’t know,” said Sim, who will start next week’s Queensland Open at Pelican Waters Golf Club as one of the tournament favourites.

“I’m doing my bridging program at the moment and I’m halfway through that but I seem to have been playing well since I started my traineeship. I’m not too sure what the future holds.

“There’s a lot of emotion. I never thought I’d be here and to come away with the trophy is just amazing.”

Kennedy finished tied for third at 11 under along with fellow Japan Golf Tour regular Michael Hendry, Dimi Papadatos and Korean Chang Gi Lee with Andrew Dodt (64), Denzel Leremia (70) and Anthony Quayle (73) a shot further back in a tie for seventh.
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Brilliant coverage from City Golf Club by FOX Sports 4 play off holes to decide the winner ...who would have thought Brad Kennedy could lose......until we saw him three put away when he  looked like being a winner.......very disappointing for him .

Prizemoney list $150K...................https://pga.org.au/report/?tourn=auto&report=https://pga-live.pga-tic.com/tic/tmentry.cgi?tourn=auto

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Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Mar-20, 11:27 AM

Golf Digest story on the life and death of Metacomet Golf Course in Rhode Island....bought to be saved only to be sold to developers litigation by disgusted members to present their case.

North Lakes in Brisbane recently sold Victoria Park a BCC owned property to be transformed into a public park limited golfing facilities to be retained.

Many golf clubs in trouble and are looking to redevelop part of their holdings into real estate to survive.

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Post by: timw on 2020-Mar-28, 06:32 PM
Email from my golf club today said Golf Australia recommended the closure of all clubs.  Mine is now closed (suburban Melbourne).  Public course website where I sometimes play says temporarily closed.  That is the end of golf. Hard to imagine how horse racing is still going.
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-28, 06:38 PM
Dumb decision
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Post by: Jeunes on 2020-Mar-28, 06:54 PM
Dumb decision

Golf or horse racing?
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Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-30, 07:34 AM
 Neither should be shut down imo
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Post by: timw on 2020-Mar-30, 05:27 PM
A friend has texted me to say his golf club has sent him a membership renewal notice the day after his course was closed.
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Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Mar-31, 12:48 PM

Latest recommendation from Golf Australia ....clubs should close......it's a matter for individual clubs ..there's no restriction by Qld Health ..some clubs are closing others are still open..this might change if any positives arise to the virus....my golf club has reported two persons with symptoms one member one staffer ..the course is closed and a skeleton crew is keeping working on the course ..the club says it has adequate cash reserves last about 8 months ..that figure would include fees paid to 30 June which could be credited towards the 2020/2021 season we have to wait and see what the decision makers decide.  . The big issue facing all clubs not just golf clubs is that the end of the financial year is only 3 months away ..there's the question of Board positions expiring at the AGM the provisions of Constitutions which require timely notice to be given of AGM's subscription renewals elections etc all of which must be concerning club management and elected executives...with the restricted assembly laws......guvments may need to make provision for these issues which are not contemplated in my golf club's constitution and I expect all or most other clubs are in the same predicament.

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Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Mar-31, 05:12 PM
Pandemic Golf........A little long to read---but heck what else are you doing?
March Madness is cancelled, the NBA is shut down, the Masters is postponed, and my Aunt Marge’s senior bowling has even thrown in the towel. Now restaurants and bars are closed, and our 40-handicap governor is threatening to shut down all entertainment facilities including golf courses. I have not tested positive, but the coronavirus is killing me.
There is nowhere to go and nothing to do. My wife suggested we take a walk, but I don’t walk anywhere unless I have a golf club in my hand and it’s cart path only. My kids have a restraining order on us and won’t let us come within 200 yards of the grandchildren. And we can no longer eat out, but when we tried to cook at home, there were cobwebs in the oven.
The network channels are inundated with coverage of the virus. The golf channel has been showing reruns of old tournaments, which are almost as riveting as watching my brother-in-law’s video of his family camping trip to Yellowstone. And my wife is so desperate for something to do, she is even considering sex, and maybe even with me.
Paranoia is off the tracks. Before the shutdown, we were having dinner at a local bar. I let out a loud sneeze and everyone at the surrounding tables started yelling "check please." My stock portfolio is plummeting and most of our cash is currently invested in toilet paper. I am washing my hands 137 times a day. I don’t touch anyone. I don’t even touch myself. I have been using tongs to go to the bathroom. This has to stop.
Our society and economy have been crippled by a microscopic virus. Scientists have not yet determined the exact origin but have narrowed it down to a Chinese fish market or Rosie O’Donnell’s bathtub. And no one is sure how to prevent or cure it. In the past, the ways to prevent contracting a contagious disease were simple: don’t eat in restaurants with cat on the menu and don’t date my college roommate’s sister.
I don’t consider myself to be in the high risk category. I have been building up my immune system by eating one meal per day at MacDonald’s for the last 25 years. Germs just slide through me. My only pre-existing condition is an inability to launch a golf ball further than 180 yards. And, according to the CDC, symptoms of the coronavirus are sweats, dizziness, and trouble breathing, which I experience whenever I am standing over a 3 foot putt. I can handle it.
So, I proposed to my regular foursome the idea of escaping from our self-imposed Stalag 17 and venturing outside for a round of golf. Everyone recognized the danger and severity of the situation. But when faced with the decision to remain sequestered with our wives or to risk contracting a deadly virus, it was a no-brainer. Every man opted to play golf.
Our foursome does not pose a medical risk to mankind. My friend, George is virus free. Social distancing has not been a problem for him. Other than us, he doesn’t have any friends. Bob, my neighbor is a urologist who has been working from home for several weeks. He has developed a way to do remote prostate exams by having patients sit on their cell phone. And our other partner, Jerry tested himself with a kit he bought online. However, he thinks he may have gotten the wrong kit. It showed no traces of the virus but indicated that he was pregnant with twins.
The federal government has established guidelines for social engagement. For example, you must stay at least 6 feet apart and no more than 10 people are allowed at a gathering, which means Patrick Reed’s fan club can still meet. In addition, our foursome drafted our own specific set of rules for Pandemic Golf.
Rules of Play:
• Hazmat suits are permitted. As an alternative, one can wear a college mascot costume or big bunny pajamas.
• Masks are not permitted, because we would look more like stagecoach robbers than a foursome.
• Leave the flag in. And to avoid retrieving balls from the hole, any putt shorter than Lebron James is good.
• Ride in separate golf carts and don’t come closer to another player than a fully extended ball retriever.
• Don’t touch another player’s balls. This is always good advice.
• No high fives. Fortunately, we seldom have a reason.
• No petting the geese or the cart girl.
• Don’t use the spot-a-pot. More disease in there than in all of Wuhan China.
• No excuses. Slicing or hooking are not side effects of the coronavirus.
• Make an online bank transfer to pay off your bets for the day.
• Straddle the sprinkler on the 18th hole before getting into the car.
These rules and restrictions adequately protected us from contamination. Unfortunately, there is no vaccine for bad golf. I had trouble gripping the club with oven mittens, but it was an enjoyable afternoon which ended way too soon. There were no handshakes on the 18thgreen, no beers at the bar, and we drove home separately.
As the pandemic plays through, it is giving us a glimpse into our inevitable future where all meals are delivered, all entertainment comes through the tv screen, and all human interaction is through our cell phone. Where schooling is online at home, exercise is on a stationary bike in our basement, medical testing is done at drive thru windows, and colonoscopies are performed at Jiffy Lube. The world is changing. It is becoming less interpersonal as technology consumes us. So now that we have time on our hands, everyone should take a moment to cherish this fading era, when friends still get together to hit a little ball around an open field for no good reason other than to enjoy the companionship of their fellow man.

Some light relief from a golfer in the USA.

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Title: GOLF
Post by: timw on 2020-Mar-31, 07:06 PM
Thanks Arsenal

There will be a baby boom in 9 months time and it won’t be my fault.  My wife wants the girls to have children before she is too old to look after them but only one has a boyfriend and I guess they won’t be adding to the population anytime soon.  A couple of weeks ago I found out I had played golf with a gentleman who performed the dreaded colonoscopy and I told him if I had known I would not have played with him.  Even worse he told me his wife had been in Milan and had just got home via Dublin and Paris.  I am still alive so I suppose I shouldn’t complain on either account.

As an aside, today, I spent about 30 minutes in the backyard practicing chipping with a plastic golf ball and I also did my stretching exercises and ‘light’ weights in the hope I may still be alive when golf resumes in Melbourne.  Just remember everything looks good if there is some red to drink (or white if you live in warmer climes) as there is sure as hell nothing on free TV and the libraries are closed.
Title: GOLF
Post by: Gintara on 2020-Mar-31, 07:47 PM
Neither should be shut down imo

Wily I know I two courses who shut before the recommendation from Golf Australia simply because people are idiots - they will not do what they are told.

One put all the measures in place yet when the manager walked to the pro shop he was horrified to see blokes high fiving on the PG and too many people in the shop, he walked back to his office and called the committee to say what he was doing.

Another told me that it looked terrible in the community to see their car park full, the driving range chock-a-block so they just shut it down.
Title: GOLF
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Mar-31, 08:31 PM
Gin,  my local driving range has been deserted for the past few weeks. Ive gone 6 times and never had more than 3 other people, stretched over a 100m
It’s probably the safest place in the planet  :lol:
Title: GOLF
Post by: timw on 2020-Apr-01, 06:36 PM
Got a text today indicating NSW courses were still open whereas every Vic course is closed. Is NSW still open ????

Also got a text from someone who was walking to his small country course (1 hr north of melb) with a 5 iron and a few balls for practice when he saw the local cops on patrol at the course so he went home.  It is possible during normal times to regularly play that course without seeing anyone. 
Title: GOLF
Post by: pwa54 on 2020-Apr-01, 08:16 PM
In Tasmania, no more than pairs are allowed with no sharing of golf carts, no rakes etc. I live overlooking a popular course and it's less busy than usual but there are plenty playing there.
Title: GOLF
Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Apr-05, 11:33 AM
Golf has been reinstated at my Club from Friday ...initially on line bookings now only by phone to the pro shop no reason given possibly some complaints that not everyone has computer access..... pro shop has one phone line need to be patient trying to get through if everyone tries at the same time bookings open...rules are only two in as group..... 15 minute intervals which is very restrictive...... allowing only 70 players to get a game ......only social play no visitors..... one to a cart social distancing no rakes in bunkers don't touch the flag stick ....mostly sensible apart from the 15 minute gap.......which could easily be reduced to 6 or 7 minutes which is what we are used to .....and no revenue for the club apart from hire of golf carts.....no food offerings .....the pro shop open might sell a few soft drinks and possibly some golf accessories...I'm resisting the temptation ...will see how long I can last without my regular round ..have been playing 5 times a week before the shutdown.

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Title: GOLF
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Apr-05, 05:30 PM
Arsey, why resist?

And 5 minutes between groups???
What the rush with you lot at your course. Who wants people up ya arse when your playing
Title: GOLF
Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Apr-05, 05:49 PM
Arsey, why resist?

And 5 minutes between groups???
What the rush with you lot at your course. Who wants people up ya arse when your playing
It's 15 minutes Wily enough time to have a cup of tea and some chocolate Tim Tams or a game of cards.

Still I'm in the vulnerable age group and don't want to take chances on Covid-19

Giddy Up :beer:
Title: GOLF
Post by: wily ole dog on 2020-Apr-05, 06:02 PM
I've got 4 very good courses with 15 minutes of my joint and mostly never encounter anyone to catch anything off.
Mind you a young lass was in front of me recently and my thoughts did wander momentarily to past deeds
Title: GOLF
Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Apr-09, 08:47 AM
My golf club which closed with Golf Australia's endorsement reopened on Friday a week ago which received Golf Australia's endorsement......Notification of the reopening  scheduled for 9am the following day was posted on the Club's website with online bookings allowing groups of 2 at 15 minute intervals... online bookings were subsequently canned and replaced with phone bookings to the Pro shop where there's only one line.... Bookings open one week ahead and the pro shop staff start at 7am

Today I rang precisely at 7am to make a booking for today week Thursday 16th April...... I received a recorded message along the lines of "I'm sorry we are unable to take your call please leave a message after the tone"    I then left a message ...asked for a booking if possible before 12 but no later than 3pm next Thursday....at the time I rang right on the dot of 7am the time sheet showed 70 spots were available .....maybe I got lucky and my booking will be there.... once I can open the time sheet when it's unlocked I'll find out.

Refreshing the booking sheet at 7.39am there were 47 vacancies at 7.46 there were 37 vacancies at 8.01am there were only 18 vacancies at 8.16am there were 9 vacancies.
Yesterday I rang the Captain he returned my call promptly I advocated for more realistic gaps from the current 15 minutes suggesting that 8 minutes would allow more players ...he said they had decided on 15 minutes as a recommendation of Golf Australia....... this is the mob that changed from one position to another on closing and reopening .....in any event it has no authority to impose such conditions on golf clubs......I have heard other clubs are still running comps with normal time gaps between groups.... Sanctuary Cove has an 8 minute gap...... I also asked why there's only one tee hit off he said  that was to prevent members congregating.....  abiding by social distancing would prevent congregating ..the club's instructions to members is turn up 10 minutes before hit off only two members at a time in the Pro shop so there's no congregating.....I'm not hopeful there'll be any relaxation of the booking system any time soon ..although the Captain said things are under constant review....just now there are only 8 vacancies.

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Title: GOLF
Post by: timw on 2020-Apr-20, 07:53 PM
I can only speculate that Premier Andrews will not let golfers play in Victoria because he is reportedly a member of Kingston Heath and any decision to allow play might look like a nod to privilege. 
Title: GOLF
Post by: Arsenal on 2020-Apr-28, 04:29 PM

Golf Australia sitting on the fence.

Restrictions are to be eased in QLD from  next Saturday .....possibly there may be some relaxation to allow golf clubs to get back to near normal conditions with social distancing maintained .......it might be possible to allow more than the two persons in a group ...might even get back to groups of four ..wouldn't that be good ....probably wishful thinking ..I'm a half full type ...it's very difficult to get a game where I play due to 10 minute tee times as only one tee start is possible with a limit of 110 players each day when there are 400 odd members who would like to play .....online bookings open 8 days in advance .......there is lots of dissatisfaction with the Board ...one group has been emailing members to vote in favour of a no confidence motion ...a preliminary to moving for the Board's removal .....which requires a Extraordinary General Meeting but there's nowhere to go with it as there's no possibility of holding any  meeting due to COVID-19.

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Title: GOLF
Post by: timw on 2020-May-10, 12:11 PM
Golf club is hopeful play resumes in Victoria from Tuesday.  If the go ahead is given the plan is to limit members to no more than a couple of rounds a week so everyone gets a chance to play. I have done all the 'pre season training' so can't wait to get back into it.