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Offline ratsack

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« 2017-Jul-03, 08:47 AM Reply #200 »
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« 2017-Jul-14, 01:49 PM Reply #201 »
Is it true we wont see the British Irish lions play the all blacks for another 12 years?

Its the only match worth watching not looking forward to the wallabies getting slaughtered. :(

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« 2017-Jul-14, 03:31 PM Reply #202 »
It is true winner.

The lions only tour every 4 years, South Africa Australia and New Zealand each take their turn

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« 2018-Aug-19, 08:20 PM Reply #203 »
Not much rugby discussion anymore.

Iím really getting tired of being a wallaby supporter.

Is there some second grade comp they can play in so their supporters can see a few wins ? :(

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« 2018-Aug-19, 09:59 PM Reply #204 »
I'll talk rugby all day long but I'm a Kiwi so you probably wouldn't want to hear what I have to say.

I do have some sympathy for Wallaby supporters but only a little because I used to cop it in the 90's.

You just lack a few really high class players .....the ones that really make a difference.

 In all the years I've been watching rugby I've never seen better rugby locks than Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock ........anywhere.

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« 2018-Aug-19, 11:26 PM Reply #205 »
I'll talk rugby all day long but I'm a Kiwi so you probably wouldn't want to hear what I have to say.

I do have some sympathy for Wallaby supporters but only a little because I used to cop it in the 90's.

You just lack a few really high class players .....the ones that really make a difference.

 In all the years I've been watching rugby I've never seen better rugby locks than Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock ........anywhere.

You are exactly right about the lack of class players.

We had a brief moment in the Sun following on from the early 80s and the Ella era and through to the John Eales captaincy but since then Australian Rugby is back to the bad old days pre Ella.

I had the privilege of attending Matraville High one year behind the Ella brothers and played a few games with them (played in the Matraville Tigers cricket team in 1977-78 with all 3 brothers and we won the GF - they were as talented at cricket as they were at Rugby).

The only reason the Ella brothers did not play Rugby League was because of Geoff Mould - teacher and fanatical Rugby coach at the school. Geoff not only was a good coach but he rallied business behind the players to get them decent jobs and they were looked after.

Nowadays Rugby runs a poor fourth when it comes to the football codes in Australia. At a junior level it is almost non-existent outside the GPS and CAS systems in NSW and similar in Qld. Thus the gene pool is very shallow. Can you imagine if they were able to have the eight tallest and most athletic AFL players standing in the line up? Having an Andrew Fifita or a Jason Taumalolo taking the ball up for some second phase play. The kicking skills of a Mile Jedinak or Jonathan Thurston?

Sadly Rugby in Australia is not able to compete. For all the huffing and puffing about the loss of the Western Force the reality is that only two states play the game and the Melbourne Rebels are a contrived team and there will never ever be the passion of a NZ side or the All Blacks when you have a situation like that.

I think to go forward Australian Rugby needs to take a step back. Withdraw from Super Rugby and concentrate on the two State domestic competitions and Tests. Australia's involvement in this extra layer of competition has been to the local game's detriment.

My son played Firsts for Waverly College and reps for CAS so I attended a fair few games. The schoolboy Rugby product is far, far more interesting than anything dished up by Super Rugby. Why not showcase it and try and revive the roots?

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« 2018-Aug-20, 07:34 AM Reply #206 »
Up until about 10 years ago I always felt Mark Ella was the best rugby player I had seen anywhere in the world.
There's been too many good All Blacks since then.

I prayed for the day the All Blacks had a five-eighth like him.

How could Australian Rugby let him retire at 26 years old?
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« 2018-Aug-20, 12:37 PM Reply #207 »
I don't accept we have a lack of quality players in Australia. Our biggest problem is the quality of our coaches, starting at the top.

Cheika is clown without a clue. Listening to the dribble that comes out of his mouth before and after games makes me want to throw things at the tele. And there beside him is a bloke with a 1.2 million dollar a year guarantee that he will be starting 7 for the next 5 years while our best 7 is forced to play out of position...INSANITY!

Larkham has been a failure as a coach yet he will walk into the job when Cheika goes. Defence coach, Nathan Grey presides over teams that continually get cricket scores posted on them but his position is never questioned. And then you have "skills" coach Mick Byrne, who never played rugby, trying to tell us his methods take 7 years or so before you see results and people swallow this crap....PLEASE!

Blokes like Hansen and Schmidt leave us for dead in terms of rugby smarts and unfortunately nothing will change in the foreseeable future. 

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« 2018-Aug-20, 01:28 PM Reply #208 »
I have to agree with kicker.
I think we have enough quality players but for some reason they canít seem to put it all together for 80 minutes when it counts.

The wallabies have patches of 20 minutes which are world class but then it all falls apart.


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« 2018-Aug-20, 01:42 PM Reply #209 »
I'll talk rugby all day long but I'm a Kiwi so you probably wouldn't want to hear what I have to say.

I do have some sympathy for Wallaby supporters but only a little because I used to cop it in the 90's.

You just lack a few really high class players .....the ones that really make a difference.

 In all the years I've been watching rugby I've never seen better rugby locks than Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock ........anywhere.

I should say I agree. I definitely do not want to hear you talk about the all blacks all day.   :lol:

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« 2018-Aug-20, 02:37 PM Reply #210 »
I have to agree with kicker.
I think we have enough quality players but for some reason they canít seem to put it all together for 80 minutes when it counts.

The wallabies have patches of 20 minutes which are world class but then it all falls apart.

And all our Super Rugby teams are exactly the same. Can all match it with the best Kiwi teams for 20 min, sometimes a half, but very rarely a full 80 min and that's the difference. The NZ teams will always keep coming at you for the full 80 min, whereas the Aus teams will score a couple of tries and think they've done enough and then wonder how they get run over.

It's just a different mentality. Our great teams of the 90's and early 2000's didn't HOPE to beat the All Blacks, they EXPEXTED to. Losing to England, Ireland and Scotland on our home grounds was not even considered then but now we talk up teams like Ireland as the No.2 in the world when we can't beat them in a home series.


No other Wallaby coach with a record similar to Chieka has been allowed to continue yet he seems to be untouchable for some reason and he gets a free ride from the Rugby media as well. Got me beat why.

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« 2018-Aug-20, 03:46 PM Reply #211 »
I think itís because we expect the wallabies to lose now.
So if they get close itís pats on the back all round.

I liked the attitude for the World Cup soccer I forget who it was he said bugger getting into the World Cup I expect the socceroos to win it. Might have been Johnny Warren. We need someone who kicks them up the ass until they do it not get close.

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« 2018-Aug-20, 03:49 PM Reply #212 »
I’m sorry to all the NZers here but Australia is better than they are and we need a coach who can get the players to not only believe it but understand it’s their rite and duty to kick all black ass.

Oh and smash the crap out of every other country along the way.


That’s how the All Blacks approach every match and so should the Aussies.
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« 2018-Aug-20, 04:10 PM Reply #213 »
Chiming into the backline here, What are peoples views of Beauden Barrett ?

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« 2018-Aug-20, 04:52 PM Reply #214 »
Chiming into the backline here, What are peoples views of Beauden Barrett ?


Outstanding player, why do you ask two dogs?

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« 2018-Aug-20, 05:19 PM Reply #215 »
Just saw somebody chide somebody on twitter for suggesting he was the best half back he had seen in either code.

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« 2018-Aug-20, 05:34 PM Reply #216 »
Robbie Deans was considered a top quality coach before he came here and he couldn't change the rock star culture that was existing then.
With all the politics that is the ARU and the lavatory loitering shock jock he was sent on his way.

Funny that Cheika was their preferred choice and I agree he's not up to it.

Larkham has been a disappointment for sure because he was such a clever player.
The last few weeks of super rugby the Brumbies were playing this really attacking rugby and suddenly looked the best Aust side .....but too little too late.....there is hope there.

I'm certain NZ rugby were sorry to lose Mick Byrne so I'm surprised at your comments there.

Those unbelievable passes that Sonny Bill gets away can't be coached, nor can Mark Ella's and Johnathan Thurston magical skills, John Eales winning lineouts on his line against the throw and Beaudon Barrett's  soccer skills but they are the big moments that win the big games.

The ARU needs to go and have a look what's out there beyond the private schools and find their own J Thurston.
Can you picture a Wallaby side with a forward pack that could hold it's own and Genia,Thurston, Inglis, Beale, Folau  and Haylett-Petty in the backline.

And no you won't be getting Scott Robertson    :biggrin:  
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« 2018-Aug-21, 09:12 AM Reply #217 »
Just saw somebody chide somebody on twitter for suggesting he was the best half back he had seen in either code.


Probably because he plays 10 and is not a half back. That said, he would be an outstanding half back in League.

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« 2018-Aug-21, 09:54 AM Reply #218 »

The ARU needs to go and have a look what's out there beyond the private schools and find their own J Thurston.


This line gets trotted out a bit and I do agree, however, it's worth pointing out, two of the brightest stars in the NRL, Kalyn Ponga and Angus Crichton both played 1st XV Rugby for private schools. Ponga was a superstar at Anglican Church Grammar school in Brisbane but the Broncos already had him on a scholarship while he was there. I've actually been told some of these kids on League scholarships are put in these private schools by the NRL clubs because some of the Union systems in place at these schools are so good that they are seen as the perfect development for these kids. Crichton was a star at Scots College in Sydney and played 2 years in the Australian Schoolboys but was told by the Waratahs he would have to make his way through as a "development" player before he could think about getting a crack at Super Rugby level. When Souths dangle a two year contract in front of him of course he signs up.


These are only two examples and there are plenty more. There are kids coming through the Australian school system now being signed by NZ Super Rugby teams so the talent is out there. The problem, aside from talent identification, is the lack of a clear pathway from Schoolboy to Super Rugby/Wallaby level and until it is addressed Union will continue to leak outstanding junior talent to League and elsewhere. Rugby Australia is a complete joke that needs a total overhaul but while they are all comfortable on ridiculous salaries it's simply not going to happen. Twiggy Forrest is hopefully the cat amongst the pigeons the game needs in this country.   

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« 2018-Aug-21, 11:51 AM Reply #219 »

Probably because he plays 10 and is not a half back. That said, he would be an outstanding half back in League.


Which is 5/8 isn't it ?

I suspect he meant halves rather than halfback.


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« 2018-Aug-21, 12:24 PM Reply #220 »
Yep

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« 2018-Aug-21, 05:25 PM Reply #221 »
I have to agree with kicker.
I think we have enough quality players but for some reason they canít seem to put it all together for 80 minutes when it counts.

The wallabies have patches of 20 minutes which are world class but then it all falls apart.
I've seen Canada go well against the AB for twenty minutes too.

Sad thing for Australian Rugby and their fans this was a home game.

My feeling was that the  AB were toying with the Wallabies the longer the game went.
https://youtu.be/0e8dvb3RGZE

Sorry fellows...I won't inflict any more pain.
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« 2018-Aug-27, 01:42 PM Reply #222 »
Having watched 3 press conferences with Cheika it's hard to miss the fact that he won't refer to the All Blacks by name.

Yesterday it was "the other team" or "they"

Micheal Hooper referred to them as NZ a couple of times which is fair enough but he also called them the "Kiwis" which is their league side.

Can any budding psychologists out there explain the nonsense thinking that is going on here?

If anyone can be bothered just watch Beaudon Barrett's 4th try on Sat. and keep your eye on Reece Hodge......I learnt in the under 9's you never give up the chase.

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« 2018-Aug-27, 03:19 PM Reply #223 »
Just another bull$hit Cheika gimmick, that's all he has. Do you remember him holding a golf club in his pre match speeches when the Waratahs fluked the Super Rugby title. This sort of mind game crap might work for a year or two but it wears thin on the players eventually and when you've got nothing else to go to the performance starts going down the toilet.

I found it absolutely staggering that he admits he focuses solely on his team and does no analysis of the opposition believing he has no control over what the opposition does...incredible. And his disdain for anyone who dares question him in those press conferences is just plain rude.

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« 2018-Aug-27, 03:38 PM Reply #224 »
Race 6 at Dubbo today was curiously called the NZ RACING & RUGBY BENCHMARK 58

They must have money coming out of their ears over the ditch to be sponsoring a race at Dubbo on a Monday afternoon  :what:

No omen tip although you probably could have applied the name of the 3rd horse Billy Bent Ear to many an All Black forward first name William over the years.


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