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« 2013-Jun-22, 10:42 PM Reply #25 »
Wallabies left 14 points on the field through poor kicking

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« 2013-Jun-22, 10:54 PM Reply #26 »
Regardless of him missing the last two, is anyone going to ask why he was wearing moulded studs  :slaphead:

It was always going to be heavy & slippery under foot, I would have though the longer studs would be common sense tonight  :shrug:

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« 2013-Jun-22, 11:10 PM Reply #27 »
Beale has kicked them to victory before from long range ( remember Boemfontein ) but the law of averages suggests it's a lottery from that far out under those circumstances at that stage of the game.

He's a good player, a lot better than Barnes.

The Wallabies need some go forward where it counts....in the engine room, something they haven't had for 10 years or more.
If it weren't for Folau surprising early on, this would have been a ho hum affair.


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« 2013-Jun-23, 09:32 AM Reply #28 »
It was always going to be heavy & slippery under foot, I would have though the longer studs would be common sense tonight

I've thought the same many times before.

With all these coaches all these teams have you'd think the idea would dawn on one of them. A pair with longer studs should be in their kit.

I'll be keeping a close eye on Souths' Justin Hunt today V Parra. He's a serial offender at slipping over and I've said a number of times I'd be looking at his footwear.


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« 2013-Jun-23, 09:37 AM Reply #29 »
Personally I can't understand why Beale even took the kick.  :confused1:

For mine it should have been James O'Connor taking the shot while it was at the upper end of his range he is the perfect person to take pressure kicks.

Why? because he doesn't think when taking kicks he just kicks. The perfect example of this is how he played at flyhalf last night. He obviously wasn't thinking at all the whole evening as he gave bugger all direction to the backline.


I believe the Lions deserved to win last night but i saw enough from the wallabies to suggest they can come back and win the remaining matches.



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« 2013-Jun-23, 03:22 PM Reply #30 »
I keep coming online to see what Kicker thought. Hope he surfaces soon. One great thing about the game was the big moments coming from some superb outside backs.

That is how we want the game to be played. I can still only watch Rugby on IQ so I can fast forward through the scrummage resets zzzzzzzzzzzz

But it seems to be heading in the right direction judging by last night's tries. Very spectacular.

Izzy is clearly a freak, of course.

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« 2013-Jun-24, 08:47 AM Reply #31 »
If anyone missed it, here are the highlights of the first test:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2013/jun/23/lions-australia-brick-by-brick-video


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« 2013-Jun-24, 01:11 PM Reply #32 »
Really love the intensity of Lions Test matches  emthup  and although not the best of games a good one nonetheless. Not often you get a game changing moment inside the first minute but Liliafano coming off was just that. Losing him changed the way the Wallabies played the game. He has a beautiful flat passing game similar to one Quade Cooper & having him in the starting side with Izzy on the wing suggest Deans was looking to play a more expansive game than they have for the last 2 years. Him coming off & being replaced by a crash ball runner in McCabe threw that plan out the window. It has also been suggested he was going to be first choice goalkicker but I'm not 100% sure Deans would have burdened him with that in his first Test. Geez I felt sorry for the poor bugger :tears: After the injury problems he's had, to get knocked out inside the first minute of your first Test would be heartbreaking. Hopefully he has many more chances to come.

James O'Connor is NOT a Test level number 10 & that is the first thing Deans needs to address. The bloke is not even a Super Rugby level 10 but Deans will dig his heels in & leave him there which will only make our task more difficult. That being said, the fact we were within a kick of beating them after losing half the backline suggests the Lions aren't as strong as many might have thought. I thought our forwards did a terrific job of getting us over the advantage line & securing quick ball while Genia, as usual, was outstanding & Izzy made as good a Test debut as you will see. The guy is a superstar who could be an all time great if he stays in the game & will be a massive loss if he returns to League as is rumoured. I will be very interested to see the make up of both teams for the 2nd Test but I'd suggest we are looking at another two tight Test matches as they look pretty evenly matched regardless of who comes in.

Now to a subject close to my heart, the goalkicking. Beale's boots were not the issue but he should have cleaned the bottom of them before that last kick. If you have a close look at the replay you can see a big build up of dirt on the bottom of his left/plant foot & that is what caused the slip not the length of his studs. Surprised he has said he didn't take much notice of the ground where he was taking the kick from. Something I tell all kickers is to pay a lot of attention to where your plant foot will be landing even if it means taking the mark back or to the side a couple of metres. Hopefully he learns from the experience but as I've suggested before, goalkicking is 75% mental 25% technique & it is the mental aspect both Beale & O'Connor need to focus on. You simply can't miss the number of kickable goals they did (the second last miss by Beale was inexcusable) & win Test matches. Missing the easy ones in Test matches is a mental issue not a technique problem & as has been suggested here by others, symptomatic of a choke.

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« 2013-Jun-24, 02:11 PM Reply #33 »
Well you blokes can bag him as a choker all you want, but I don't.

He was a third-choice kicker, playing from the bench, missing a couple of goals from in excess of 45 metres on a wet field.

It's like Souths supporters calling Merritt a choker for missing a goal in the grand final after Reynolds and Luke are injured.

Anyway here's a clip showing him choking



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« 2013-Jun-24, 04:24 PM Reply #34 »
JWH, I've been over this before :nowink:.....Kicking a goal from the sideline or 50 metres out to win a game is nowhere near as mentally demanding as having one from 20-30 metres out within a 10-15 metre arc either side of the posts.  There is no pressure on you when you have a difficult kick as you are not expected to make it & the kicker can easily relax & "let go" without the fear of failure. Stand over one from 30 metres out in front or just to the side of the posts that you are expected to kick...different story. THAT, my friend is a pressure kick :yes: That kicker has to overcome the anxiety of that expectation & then allow himself to relax & "let go". Trust me, this is not easy & only becomes easy after countless hours of both physical and mental training. The mental training is something that is almost completely neglected to most kickers peril. I can excuse Beale the miss at the end where he slipped, no choke involved there, the one before, 20 metres in from touch, was a gag pure & simple.

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« 2013-Jun-24, 04:37 PM Reply #35 »
How did James Horwill get aways with that stomping incident ?


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« 2013-Jun-24, 05:03 PM Reply #36 »
Judicial officer Nigel Hampton accepted Horwill was driven off balance with leg raised and didn’t know AWJ was underneath him.

“I could not find that when James Horwill’s right foot came into glancing contact with Alun Wyn Jones’ face, Horwill was acting recklessly”


Fair call I reckon. When I first saw it I thought it looked like he was off balance & didn't think he had deliberately made contact :shrug:

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« 2013-Jun-24, 07:35 PM Reply #37 »
Thanks kicker, you've partly agreed with me, re the No 1 issue for some, but you haven't addressed the, third-choice kicker from the bench, point.

I doubt he's been practising as a first-choice kicker in the starting line-up. And wouldn't expect him to.




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« 2013-Jun-24, 10:06 PM Reply #38 »
What I want to know is when someone is going to pull the pin on Barnes career.


No doubting this guys guts but someone needs to step in and say "sorry but that's enough".


Surely his life is worth infinitely more than rugby.

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« 2013-Jun-24, 10:10 PM Reply #39 »
With Pat McCabe and Digby Ioane also ruled out for the second test (along with Barnes) it might force Deans to select the right backline.  :x:



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« 2013-Jun-25, 10:31 AM Reply #40 »
Thanks kicker, you've partly agreed with me, re the No 1 issue for some, but you haven't addressed the, third-choice kicker from the bench, point.

I doubt he's been practising as a first-choice kicker in the starting line-up. And wouldn't expect him to.





I take your point, but there shouldn't be any difference to your practice as a goalkicker whether you are first, second or third choice. It's not like the bloke hasn't had much spare time on his hands ;)

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« 2013-Jun-25, 10:33 AM Reply #41 »
With Pat McCabe and Digby Ioane also ruled out for the second test (along with Barnes) it might force Deans to select the right backline.  :x:




As long as his first choice 10 is O'Connor, which, from his comments in the press hasn't changed, then we will not have the "right" backline :thumbsd:

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« 2013-Jun-25, 11:58 AM Reply #42 »
If Deans keeps JOC at 10 then that is wrong move (as i pointed out before) but he has the chance to cover up the fact he was wrong in the first place and move JOC back out to wing.


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« 2013-Jun-25, 09:02 PM Reply #43 »
I note that John Eales (Fin Review 24/06) is a little more sanguine than some here about Beale's kicking display. :dry:

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« 2013-Jun-29, 09:35 PM Reply #44 »
beale   :sad:

 :shutup:

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« 2013-Jun-29, 09:37 PM Reply #45 »
beale   :sad:

 :shutup:

the shane watson of aussie rugby

(shows promise but doesn't deliver   :sad: )

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« 2013-Jun-29, 09:57 PM Reply #46 »
I'll take that  :clap2:

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« 2013-Jun-29, 10:32 PM Reply #47 »
Horwill has a touch of Snowden & Waller about him at the end there too.

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« 2013-Jun-29, 10:46 PM Reply #48 »
I kinda like watching it, and I like it when we win, but I never really know which team played the best.  :embarrassed:

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« 2013-Jun-29, 11:09 PM Reply #49 »
I kinda like watching it, and I like it when we win, but I never really know which team played the best.  :embarrassed:

played (z grade), coached(junior level) president of the local club 
now days i agree  :sad:
getting better i think  :shrug:

we played the best  8-)
i think it would take me a while to explain   :shrug:

i think that is the problem with selling the game    :shrug:


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