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« 2020-Feb-08, 06:51 PM Reply #275 »
This is quite interesting and makes Rugby in Australia more unattractive for broadcasters long term if the news is true.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/the-rugby-championship/springboks-reportedly-joining-six-nations-in-2024/news-story/8b7674acb817f1d8c16e2e6518c8b5df


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« 2020-Feb-19, 03:58 PM Reply #276 »
The Rugby broadcast deal got a lot more interesting. Reports are Optus really wants to jump in as they know they will get dedicated fans. If they get 100k extra subscribers, it will be worth it especially if some of them also switch mobile or broadband plans.

Foxtel / News are upset at Castle for not accepting their offer for the rights. Foxtel has low ratings for Rugby but their viewers usually are on a more expensive package.

To be blunt Foxtel had it good for so long as most including me had to pay overs for sports as we had to pay for basic package etc. The movie channels are at times crap as Disney and Marvel have left their stable.

The question is if Rugby departs, they will lose more subscribers which makes it imperative for them to hold onto NRL and AFL.

So advantage Castle at the moment but it is a game of bluff.


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« 2020-Feb-19, 04:23 PM Reply #277 »
I don't see how it is "advantage Castles".

The Optus package would be for digital rights, and they would probably sub-let the FTA rights like they did with the World Cup and SBS.

But I doubt they would be paying overs. The only serious competition is either Foxtel or one of the FTA channels - the latter all struggling and the former pissed off.


The sad truth is that Rugby is a product that is only seriously watched in two states, and has deteriorated in quality because the local teams are useless.

Rugby League agents are signing up the good junior talent before they get a chance to play club Rugby and this is a problem that is going to require some "mongrel" to fix.


Pull out of that God aweful Super Rugby competition and use the money saved to keep junior talent and to boost up domestic comps.

Plus pulling out would stick it up the smart arses from NZ and SA who have us on the end of a string like a puppet with Super Rugby.

Bledisloe Shield back to 3 match series every three years - overexposed at the moment and people are yawning watching the predictable thrashing.

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« 2020-Feb-19, 04:51 PM Reply #278 »
I don't see how it is "advantage Castles".

The Optus package would be for digital rights, and they would probably sub-let the FTA rights like they did with the World Cup and SBS.

But I doubt they would be paying overs. The only serious competition is either Foxtel or one of the FTA channels - the latter all struggling and the former pissed off.


The sad truth is that Rugby is a product that is only seriously watched in two states, and has deteriorated in quality because the local teams are useless.

Rugby League agents are signing up the good junior talent before they get a chance to play club Rugby and this is a problem that is going to require some "mongrel" to fix.


Pull out of that God aweful Super Rugby competition and use the money saved to keep junior talent and to boost up domestic comps.

Plus pulling out would stick it up the smart arses from NZ and SA who have us on the end of a string like a puppet with Super Rugby.

Bledisloe Shield back to 3 match series every three years - overexposed at the moment and people are yawning watching the predictable thrashing.

I disagree with you partially PP but first I do agree with you for the state of Rugby at the moment

It is a mess, the Australian clubs are a joke. They are 0/6 against o/s sides so far this year with the only wins against fellow Australian clubs. However they do have a good chance to break the o/s duck this weekend.

The Wallabies are a mess and probably will finish below 50% win record again.

Now the positives. The reason why Castle has an advantage is the grassroots. Club Rugby is solid and probably because ARU did not run it. There is a hard core fan base out there for it but not Super Rugby.

By putting Club Rugby, Super Rugby and Wallabies games together in a package, it is more appealing for a subscription service that is trying to hold or expand.

The question is if Castle can negotiate a Free to air game even in the lesser channels, it will have a positive impact in the future. Not sure how long it will take though.

Foxtel is losing subscribers every month. That is why it is hard to cancel your Foxtel. Try it one day and you will get some of the best offers in the world if you can get through.

Last time I rang upto cancel they offered HD Movies, Sport with Basic etc for less than $50.

Foxtel canít afford to lose subscribers. Rugby needs a big deal. It will be an interesting few months ahead.

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« 2020-Feb-20, 07:58 AM Reply #279 »
News Corp article on the state of Rugby in Australia. Funny no mention of how they made a bid to still broadcast it for the future and rejection of their bid. The mind games are on.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/super-rugby/crowds-abandon-super-rugby-as-australian-teams-crumble/news-story/0109b8b68d2c8f37171ea901df0b9d04

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« 2020-Mar-06, 07:45 PM Reply #280 »
"Go Woke. Go Broke"

Optus to secure Rugby Australia broadcast rights on cut-price deal

Optus is favoured to become the new home of rugby, but the final deal could be disastrous for the code if the telco low-balls Rugby Australia as expected.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that three weeks after putting their broadcast package to the open market, RA has not had a single offer.

The lack of formal interest has forced them to extend their period for offers for another week.

Initially, all contract questions were to cease by next Wednesday, after which prospective buyers would have to table offers. Late on Thursday, it was confirmed this would be pushed back another week.

Current broadcast partners Fox Sports have not signed RAís nondisclosure agreements and will not, leaving Optus as the lone digital option, despite Qatari network BeIN Sports and streaming service DAZN floating interest.

It can also be revealed that Optus has begun talks with production companies, who they will need to film and package Super Rugby, club rugby and womenís rugby games, given they do not have the capabilities to do this in-house.

Itís estimated that these production costs will be around $10 million a year, and Optus will fold this into their offer to RA.

Knowing Fox Sports is no longer in the mix, having already had a $40 million-a-year offer rejected by RA late last year, insiders expect Optus to come in with a dramatically lower figure given the lack of options.

This would leave RA chief Raelene Castle in a major pickle.

Castle has already promised the states a larger percentage of the broadcast deal, however if the only offer received is much lower than expected, franchises will find it tougher to compete with foreign rivals.

Already, some inside club land are expressing frustration at the prolonged negotiation process because the salary cap for 2021 is unknown, meaning the make-up of their rosters is unclear at a time overseas clubs are targeting their stars.

All of the nominations for the RA chairman role and vacant board spots will be announced on Monday.

Itís now inevitable that the new chairman and board members will play an integral role in the outcome of the broadcast discussions, given theyíll be appointed at the annual general meeting on March 30, just a fortnight after any offers will be fielded.

The only interested free-to-air network for rugby rights, 10, is expected to offer $5 million a year for Wallabies Tests and one live Super Rugby match on Saturday nights.

The rest of the codeís broadcast money will need to come from a pay-TV or streaming network, but the underwhelming response since RA went to market has heightened fears the game is facing major losses.


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/optus-to-secure-rugby-australia-broadcast-rights-on-cutprice-deal/

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« 2020-Mar-06, 07:52 PM Reply #281 »
Castles biggest failure was to put too much emphasis on social media.

Social media is like a Hieronymus Bosch painting. Mad people everywhere posting their rantings anonymously - look, there's Geoff just in front of Christ  (getting in first Geoff).



Thinkgs like Facebook and the like are unprofessional and are not to be taken seriously.

How can you get all pent up over what Israel Folau said and let every other bigotted comment go through to the keeper??

Wasn't Facebook the media that the Christchurch shooter uploaded his live "action" to? Platform should have been shut down there and then. If you or I provided a platform on which mass shootings could be shown live we would be put in jail. But not Facebook. No. For some strange reason a different set of laws applies.

And here is Castles enforcing some unwritten law on what you can and can't say on a "kiddies" platform that permitted such a horrible violent action to be shown.

Is it me or is the world going stark raving mad?

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« 2020-Mar-06, 09:23 PM Reply #282 »
Social media helps win elections.   :lol:

The biggest issue Castle will face is free to air tv. Castle is hoping for free to air tv and bigger exposure than Foxtel will give RA. The money will come long term if it comes.

The question will they last short term on a smaller deal than anticipated. I donít know, but the Wallabies will improve over time.

Foxtel did not blink but I am not sure where they are headed too. They have the 3 most popular sports in Australia with them. The problem is they are still losing viewers so not having Rugby will mean losing a few viewers but do they save enough from not having it is probably an interesting question.

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« 2020-Apr-23, 08:29 PM Reply #283 »
Castle gone.  It will make a lot of people happy including Foxtel, Folau, Conservative pundits, Cheika, ex Rugby Captains, Super Rugby players etc.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/raelene-castle-resigns-as-rugby-australia-ceo/news-story/836859831574753379640edb99572e92

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« 2020-Apr-23, 08:55 PM Reply #284 »
Castle gone.  It will make a lot of people happy including Foxtel, Folau, Conservative pundits, Cheika, ex Rugby Captains, Super Rugby players etc.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/raelene-castle-resigns-as-rugby-australia-ceo/news-story/836859831574753379640edb99572e92

Over-reaction to Folau on social media was enough for dismissal IMO.

Anyone who sets/enacts policy based on information coming from the discredited sources like Facebook, Instagram and the incredibly narcissistic Twitter could not possibly be doing their real job properly.

People are not paid big amounts of money to spend three quarters of their day looking at Facebook posts on their phone.

Castles is unfortunate really. I reckon more than 50% of highly paid people in society are guilty of this.

The ascension of a modern day "empowered class" which is addicted to social media needs to be addressed.

You want to obsess over social media? That's fine. But not on a big salary.

"Turn the f. phone off and do your job" should be a new catch-cry.

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« 2020-Apr-23, 09:38 PM Reply #285 »
Before I get lauded or hammered, it just seems an observation.

All those who have opposed Folau in recent times have bitten the bullet. Castle banned him, Cheika turned his back and finally Greenberg did not wish for him to play NRL.

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« 2020-Apr-23, 10:29 PM Reply #286 »
Castle gone.  It will make a lot of people happy including Foxtel, Folau, Conservative pundits, Cheika, ex Rugby Captains, Super Rugby players etc.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/raelene-castle-resigns-as-rugby-australia-ceo/news-story/836859831574753379640edb99572e92

Her death nell came when the only one backing her was the Mosman Pirate - can't remember the last thing that flip got right.

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« 2020-Apr-24, 11:23 AM Reply #287 »
I hope Dave Rennie runs a mile away from this.
Shame ......such a good coach but no place for a Kiwi who only wants to coach rugby here.......Take the $'s elsewhere Dave!

This has got the smell of the Soho lavatory loiterer all over it.......doing Rupert's work.
Al will have a chance to step right up here.
While many would argue the game has moved on, it must be very stimulating for a person charged with 'outraging public decency'  and 'committing an indecent act' to return to a game that has a man in a pink uniform, whistle in his hand that commands crouch, touch, set and engage, not to think there is a place for him in the modern game.

No doubt now that Murdoch, the American, will have his puppets take control of a game he would never watch!


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« 2020-Apr-25, 01:01 PM Reply #288 »
I don't know about any of that nemisis but I can tell you from a casual observer the game in Australia is totally lost.

It's over officiated on nitpicking offences that have just created a snorefest to watch  :sleep: :sleep:

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« 2020-Apr-28, 10:46 PM Reply #289 »
The fact is rugby as a professional sport has gone down the tube over the past few years. It is sad but the reality is that it needs a complete and utter revamp nationally to find itís identity.

The rot started with buying players from RL and as a result it showed itís own players a lack of loyalty which in turn manifested itself into players going o/s to chase the big bucks. That turned a lot of amateur players off in some ways too.

I used to play union and league when young, loved union as a player but league as a better spectator sport. I have played other team sports including cricket and soccer too. Nothing compares to union at the end of the game when both teams do a line of honour of sorts for both teams and have a shake of the hands etc. Other sports was good but it was a camaraderie at the end which made it different even though the game could be a bore at times.

Once Rugby goes back to its roots, it will come back but not necessarily to the peaks of the 90s or the early 00s in Australia.

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« 2020-May-10, 04:52 PM Reply #290 »
Optus were never interested in Rugby. They have EPL. More "fake news" appearing in Mainstream media.

Rugby Australia rejecting Fox Sports deal the worst blunder in sporting negotiation history

This will go down as the worst negotiation blunder in Australian sporting history.

When former Rugby Australia boss Raelene Castle and her chief broadcast negotiator Shane Mattiske rejected Fox Sportsí $US25 million-a-year offer for the 2021-25 rights last November, the ensuing chain of events would cripple the game.

Make no mistake, their rejection was absolutely in the best interests of rugby.

While the game has a longstanding relationship with News Corp Ė owners of Fox Sports and publisher of The Sunday Telegraph Ė RA had a duty to look beyond its partner to get the best deal possible.

They had to see what else was out there, who would be willing to pay more.

But they also had to keep the friendship going with Fox in order to create a bidding war.

Rumours abound about how exactly the relationship broke down between Castle and Foxtel boss Patrick Delany, but they quickly went from negotiating to no longer speaking.

And that is a deal-killer for any sporting organisation.

After it emerged Fox was walking away from rugby, many proclaimed Ė and still do Ė that it is merely a negotiating tactic to drive down the price of the rights and swoop in late to grab a steal deal.

Then Optus emerged as a genuine bidder, and many fans hailed the new direction and separation from News.

Now we know Optus was not close to a deal, and amid belt-tightening in the COVID-19 era, itís unclear if theyíll return to the table.

And still, some believe Fox is faking disinterest to get a cut-price deal, ignoring the huge number of redundancies the company has made to stay afloat, including its rugby department.

It is a tragedy. Rugby is a great game.

It will survive in some shape, likely a club-based domestic tournament to feed into the Wallabies.

But our best players will move overseas to earn the bigger money on offer, and only the faithful will watch the lean-cost club tournament that has little potential to expand an audience.

Super Rugby as a four-nation tournament is dead, much as SANZAAR clings on to hope.

A looming option for RA is to declare to fellow nations that it cannot secure a financially sustainable deal to remain in Super Rugby, pull out of the tournament while committing to The Rugby Championship, and try to sell a two-year package to anybody willing to pay enough to keep it running.

It will be two years of pain, with a massive number of players, coaches and rugby staff left jobless.

But Australia does have the British & Irish Lions tour in 2025, and remain the lone bidder for the 2027 World Cup. These tournaments will be significant revenue drivers.

RA is reliant on a $16 million low-interest loan from World Rugby, expected to land next week, to get through immediate financial peril.

The negotiated repayments are long term, so Lions and World Cup money will help.

The coronavirus crisis has emptied all pockets.

Rugby wants to believe the lack of interest from broadcasters is a bluff, because the alternative is too painful to acknowledge.

But the game is resilient, and connected to the top end of town.

Itís time to work those contacts, through donations, private ownership, whatever it takes to get through this recession-like time.

Come back in two years, when the economy has healed and more broadcasters are in the field, pitch a package that includes the Lions and a government-funded World Cup, and the money and interest will surely flow again.

Itís not the end of the world. Itís just the end of the world as we know it.


https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby/rugby-australia-rejecting-fox-sports-deal-the-worst-blunder-in-sporting-negotiation-history/


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