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Offline wily ole dog

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« 2019-Dec-05, 07:32 PM Reply #250 »
We can't afford him under the cap.

When other teams player's "retire" (and get a payoff as a director to make sure they retire), they don't get the concessions that Souths get  :bleh:

Youíll have 800k in savings from Latrell.
Izzy is right up the Rorters alley or more precisely under their sombrero  :bleh:

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« 2019-Dec-06, 10:11 AM Reply #251 »
The figure is the strange part as both sides are putting spins on this.

There have been reports in the media ranging from $200k to $8 million.  It is an extreme difference on terms of percentage disparity.

Which version is fake news?

The truth normally lays in the middle.  :bulb: but I'd hazard to say it would be the upper end  :chin:

Heard Castle talking about this again and she made comment that it was risk management to settle, cost less that going to court which leads me to believe it's a sizeable pay out.  :yay:

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« 2019-Dec-09, 04:55 PM Reply #252 »
The truth normally lays in the middle.  :bulb: but I'd hazard to say it would be the upper end  :chin:

Heard Castle talking about this again and she made comment that it was risk management to settle, cost less that going to court which leads me to believe it's a sizeable pay out.  :yay:

The figures quoted from people close to both sides is $2.5m.

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« 2019-Dec-15, 06:52 PM Reply #253 »
The figures quoted from people close to both sides is $2.5m.

Now it has gone to $3.6 million according to Andrew Webster.

The more intriguing aspect is RA want $100m for broadcast rights while Foxtel are only offering half.

Foxtel is struggling for subscribers too while KAYO sports is expanding in numbers. KAYO have been offering months free with Beteasy and News Corp papers.

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« 2020-Feb-06, 05:12 PM Reply #254 »
RA in big trouble with Fox walking away from negotiations and deal expiring this year.

Not sure what they will expect now with only a couple left in the race. The wallabies are a basket case too at the moment so not that attractive to many viewers.

The photo in the News Corp article is a classic.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/rugby-on-its-knees-after-broadcaster-walks-away/news-story/ae3803b3dbb37a2efc0cb7f86794eb7a

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« 2020-Feb-07, 03:15 PM Reply #255 »
Can someone please just read the last rights to this 'sport'

It's been killing itself for years!

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« 2020-Feb-07, 05:40 PM Reply #256 »
Can someone please just read the last rights to this 'sport'

It's been killing itself for years!

In their attempts to tidy up the ruck they have made it boring and predictable and rarely a mistake is made.

Schoolboy Rugby is far more interesting. It contains "fallibility" which leads to surprises and makes it more enjoyable as a spectacle.

They should put the GPS and CAS plus Brisbane equivalents on the TV and get out of "Super" Rugby - super boring.

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« 2020-Feb-07, 05:44 PM Reply #257 »
This is the letter I got today from the Australian Christian Lobby as a "financial backer" of Izzy Folau in his fight with the politically correct zealots at RA

Dear Friend,

Thank you for giving to Israel Folauís legal defence fund last year.

Due to your support, Rugby Australia was forced to reconsider their unfair sacking of Folau, which led them to issue an apology and to settle the matter.

The outcome was spectacular.

Big corporates in Australia had been getting bolder in their punishment of people who donít toe the politically correct line, but now every one of them will think twice about targeting someone simply because they donít like what they believe.

In addition, the case impacted the federal election, and forced the government to confront the issue of religious freedom. A ďFolau clauseĒ is proposed for religious freedom legislation to be debated this year.

If youíre a Christian, no doubt you will also be rejoicing that the gospel of Jesus Christ was heard in our nation, perhaps more clearly and more widely than in a very long time. Thatís priceless.

These are all big wins.

As someone who gave, I know you are wondering about how leftover funds will be treated. We are grateful for your patience in this respect, as the matter is not yet concluded.

There are significant and complex legal issues yet to be resolved. As a result, no funds have yet been released back to ACL. We donít expect that this will happen for several months.

Iíd also like to be clear that many months of high calibre legal work is expensive, so a significant portion of the funds will have been applied to the case.

Whilst we wait together, I encourage you to participate in advocacy around the impending Religious Discrimination Bill, which Israelís case has had such an impact on.

We can also look back on what has happened with our heads held high, that we were not silent, and our efforts were not in vain.

Thank you and God bless,


Martyn Iles
Managing Director


Sounds a bit sus - they won't have access to the money for several months - no specifics given  :what:

Offline Jeunes

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« 2020-Feb-07, 08:15 PM Reply #258 »
This is the letter I got today from the Australian Christian Lobby as a "financial backer" of Izzy Folau in his fight with the politically correct zealots at RA

Dear Friend,

Thank you for giving to Israel Folauís legal defence fund last year.

Due to your support, Rugby Australia was forced to reconsider their unfair sacking of Folau, which led them to issue an apology and to settle the matter.

The outcome was spectacular.

Big corporates in Australia had been getting bolder in their punishment of people who donít toe the politically correct line, but now every one of them will think twice about targeting someone simply because they donít like what they believe.

In addition, the case impacted the federal election, and forced the government to confront the issue of religious freedom. A ďFolau clauseĒ is proposed for religious freedom legislation to be debated this year.

If youíre a Christian, no doubt you will also be rejoicing that the gospel of Jesus Christ was heard in our nation, perhaps more clearly and more widely than in a very long time. Thatís priceless.

These are all big wins.

As someone who gave, I know you are wondering about how leftover funds will be treated. We are grateful for your patience in this respect, as the matter is not yet concluded.

There are significant and complex legal issues yet to be resolved. As a result, no funds have yet been released back to ACL. We donít expect that this will happen for several months.

Iíd also like to be clear that many months of high calibre legal work is expensive, so a significant portion of the funds will have been applied to the case.

Whilst we wait together, I encourage you to participate in advocacy around the impending Religious Discrimination Bill, which Israelís case has had such an impact on.

We can also look back on what has happened with our heads held high, that we were not silent, and our efforts were not in vain.

Thank you and God bless,


Martyn Iles
Managing Director


Sounds a bit sus - they won't have access to the money for several months - no specifics given  :what:

Silly question, but did they give updates during the case to you or acknowledge your donation?

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« 2020-Feb-07, 08:26 PM Reply #259 »
I think this covo should be moved to the Folau thread (is there one ?) after all he is not a rugby player anymore  lol

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« 2020-Feb-07, 08:46 PM Reply #260 »
In their attempts to tidy up the ruck they have made it boring and predictable and rarely a mistake is made.
Sorry PP7 being an old ra ra man, they ruined the game when they allowed the defending side from breakdowns to be 5mts behind the last feet (ie ruck,maul) to inline with the last feet, also 5 mtrs instead of 10 mtrs behind the last feet from scrum feeds.
I think this happened in the mid 80's
This robbed the attacking team from running the ball due to lack of space and in effect made the game into a kick athon with the ruck and maul et al
happy to be corrected 
   

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« 2020-Feb-07, 09:39 PM Reply #261 »
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« Last Edit: 2020-Feb-07, 09:42 PM by ratsack »

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« 2020-Feb-07, 10:58 PM Reply #262 »
Sorry PP7 being an old ra ra man, they ruined the game when they allowed the defending side from breakdowns to be 5mts behind the last feet (ie ruck,maul) to inline with the last feet, also 5 mtrs instead of 10 mtrs behind the last feet from scrum feeds.
I think this happened in the mid 80's
This robbed the attacking team from running the ball due to lack of space and in effect made the game into a kick athon with the ruck and maul et al
happy to be corrected 
 

When I was playing back in the Ella days at Matraville High, we were taught "if there is a head, tread on it".

One of the dirtiest players I ever played against went to Hurlestone Ag. Name was Mark Latham.

When the ruck became pre-determined i.e. the side in possession rarely loses these days, they may as well have changed to a play-the-ball.


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« 2020-Feb-07, 11:00 PM Reply #263 »
Silly question, but did they give updates during the case to you or acknowledge your donation?

Do they give updates!!!

I've had to redirect Martyn's emails to the trash can...........

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« 2020-Feb-07, 11:01 PM Reply #264 »
I think this covo should be moved to the Folau thread (is there one ?) after all he is not a rugby player anymore  lol

Rugby would not be in this mess if they  had showed brains or backbone with Folau. Regardless of peopleís point of view, if you fold after beating your chest, how do you expect people to take you seriously in negotiations.

Castle may get her deal in the end but her reign has seen a slide in Rugby over the years.

The wallabies are a basket case and ranked 7th in the world.

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« 2020-Feb-07, 11:05 PM Reply #265 »
Do they give updates!!!

I've had to redirect Martyn's emails to the trash can...........

And I fully intend to claim my donation on tax just to rub it in   :lol:

Offline Jeunes

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« 2020-Feb-08, 04:40 AM Reply #266 »
And I fully intend to claim my donation on tax just to rub it in    :lol:

So if you get some money back, will the tax man audit you to see what you claim?  :lol:

Offline wily ole dog

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« 2020-Feb-08, 06:43 AM Reply #267 »
Super Rugby and the subsequent weakening of club rugby started the rot

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« 2020-Feb-08, 07:45 AM Reply #268 »
Super Rugby and the subsequent weakening of club rugby started the rot

I donít think Super Rugby when it started was the issue. It was the expansion of Super Rugby that became the issue in Australia. That was the greed factor as Australia did not have the depth for 5 teams.

NZ and SA did not have to compete with RL which was more popular with fans, sponsors and also players who had a choice between the two codes.

I donít watch much Super Rugby unless I am bored. I donít mind the tests but I do like most other teams play other than the wallabies recently as they just seem disjointed.

I also think one of the biggest issues facing the wallabies is the rotation of players. If you cannot stick to a halves combination for majority of the season, you are in trouble. The best eras for Australian Rugby was consistent halves combinations.  Remember Farr Jones, Lynagh etc. Them were golden years.

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« 2020-Feb-08, 07:50 AM Reply #269 »
Mate, I just think super rugby weakened the club ranks so much that the quality of players coming through deteriorated massively

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« 2020-Feb-08, 08:55 AM Reply #270 »
The only thing really wrong with rugby in this country is the National team and professional teams aren't much good.

People turn away when there is no joy to be had watching........but watch them return when there is some winning about.

The game itself is fine and the great players will always be able to influence the result and there are plenty of good young players in this country.

The Wallabies have got rid of the clown and have got a decent coach and with people like Brad Thorn about  there is hope for 'ye of little faith'

Two home games for Wallabies this year for The Bledisloe and with The All Blacks losing big names it's a great chance to start some winning.

It has to be said though 17 years is a long time to be toweled up by the Kiwis   :lol:   :lol:  

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« 2020-Feb-08, 10:31 AM Reply #271 »
Mate, I just think super rugby weakened the club ranks so much that the quality of players coming through deteriorated massively

I agree to a certain extent but donít forget Super Rugby started in 1996. Since then Wallabies won a WC in 1999 and made the final in 2003. We started to go downhill after that with more Super Rugby teams and dilution of talent.

If you ask any non rugby fans can they name any Rugby players, they will struggle to name 3. That is the issue with fans not attending. There is no connection.

If I was Castle, I would go all out for free to air even though deal would be smaller. In long run, it will improve with the exposure to more viewers.Short term, Rugby will goto the doldrums but if it goes back to a pay per view with Optus or Fox, most sports fans would not care.





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« 2020-Feb-08, 01:46 PM Reply #272 »
Last game I saw live was the most boring event I've seen in ages, Waratahs v Brumbies at the SFS

It was a penalty-a-thon and to the point that the life long rugby guys with us couldn't even explain what some of the whistles were for  :shrug:

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« 2020-Feb-08, 03:18 PM Reply #273 »
One of the worst things about Union is the extended periods during which they apply the advantage rule.  emthdown emthdown emthdown

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« 2020-Feb-08, 04:14 PM Reply #274 »
One of the worst things about Union is the extended periods during which they apply the advantage rule.  emthdown emthdown emthdown

Agree. It should be 30 seconds so you can throw the ball around and not the endless pick up and maul etc.


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