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Offline Jeunes

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« 2019-Aug-07, 06:59 PM Reply #400 »
That goes against the very reason for the salary cap.

The cap was put in place to save clubs against themselves. By ensuring they didn't spend more then they could afford and get into financial difficulties.

When clubs finish down the back end of the field their membership contributions decline and their sponsor monies are adversely affected.

So allowing them to spend more when their income is less is exactly the opposite of what the cap was meant to provide against.

 

The salary cap was also designed to make sure rich teams do not buy all the talent etc and ensure it was a level playing field.

Most of the competitive sports have a salary cap to level the playing field. Also some have a draft or transfer system. American sports, afl and even soccer has it.

NRL thanks to previous legal actions do not have a transfer or draft.

Most NRL sides take years to get over wooden spoon. Most teams usually do not bounce back to win a competition in next 10 years.

I reckon $250k extra will be a god send to bottom two sides and donít forget not all sides currently are on salary edge. A few purposely ensure that there is money in case they have to upgrade. They are the good clubs.

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« 2019-Aug-07, 10:05 PM Reply #401 »


I reckon $250k extra will be a god send to bottom two sides and donít forget not all sides currently are on salary edge. A few purposely ensure that there is money in case they have to upgrade. They are the good clubs.

Doing away with 3rd party deals would fix this.

Unfashionable clubs can't attract the sponsors so have to pay the full tote (more cap space) whilst the likes of the Roosters, Broncos etc have people falling over themselves to be involved, thus players accept less but have good top ups outside the cap.

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« 2019-Aug-08, 11:09 AM Reply #402 »
I remember in the old days a few footy players who used to play ďskinsĒ at golf with sponsors to supplement their salaries.

One of my friends said $100 for purchases at certain sponsors would stretch a long way compared to other stores.

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« 2019-Aug-17, 09:24 PM Reply #403 »
Watching the Rabbits over the past few weeks, it will be interesting how Bennett can spark their attack.

Ever since the SOO, their attack has been never reached the heights of earlier rounds. Walker seems a shadow of the early rounds and the forwards are not as fluent as they used to be.

There is a chance with 3 rounds left with games against Brisbane (A), Warriors (A) and Roosters (H), they will be struggling to make top 4.

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« 2019-Aug-18, 09:13 AM Reply #404 »
Plenty of the players are busted. Injuries have killed our momentum along with origin  :sad:

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« 2019-Aug-18, 09:45 AM Reply #405 »
I agree re Souths being busted, they just seem devoid of attacking options recently.

Manly and Parramatta have a great chance of sneaking into top 4. Hasler has being put up as coach of the year but Arthur with almost a side of no names should be in the mix too.

There are rumblings that another coach will fall by the wayside if their team does not finish season well. The only thing saving him is that he is in rough contention and there are not that many attractive options around as a replacement.


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« 2019-Aug-23, 07:52 AM Reply #406 »
Must win game tonight for the Rabbits if they are going to be competitive for rest of the season.

I think they will fire up tonight but Brisbane are desperate too.

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« 2019-Aug-23, 08:34 AM Reply #407 »
The boys will fire up but weíre massively under strength and size.
Iím afraid the big broncos pack will steamroll through us

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« 2019-Aug-23, 11:23 AM Reply #408 »
Donít give up yet. You still have a lot of mobility in your pack. Lodge, Haas, Ofgenhaue, Fifita etc are tough to hold out.

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« 2019-Aug-23, 11:01 PM Reply #409 »
What a game. My boys are back. Great effort

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« 2019-Aug-26, 07:44 AM Reply #410 »
Your boys are back by my knights are gone. There have been rumblings for awhile about the culture and coach plus the influence of people outside the playing group.

The current team were expected to make top 8 but it was false hope.

I went to the game on Saturday and left devastated at the lack of effort from some of our players. The desperation and positional play from their win the week before was gone.

The latest theory doing the rounds was that some within the knights structure do not want our team to make the top 8 so our next coach will not be under much pressure and Brown leaves without making the top 8. If this was the case, it is treachery of the highest order.

Andrew Johns alluded to this too.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/andrew-johns-newcastle-knights-nathan-brown-sabotage-troy-pezet/3bd5dcc2-eb15-4299-a8fe-1dda15af63d2

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« 2019-Aug-26, 08:25 AM Reply #411 »
Jeunes, they were pathetic. Youíd think they had a lot to play for but I canít seriously believe they ranked it

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« 2019-Aug-26, 06:07 PM Reply #412 »
Jeunes, they were pathetic. Youíd think they had a lot to play for but I canít seriously believe they ranked it


It is terrible and to be blunt, the coach always pays. Pathetic situation gets even worse below. Regardless of how much you hate the coach, you should try for your teammates and more importantly for the fans.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/nathan-brown-threatens-to-walk-out-on-knights-after-fall-out-with-players/news-story/30d79e67c5f329c78e4773e9f501dfca

While in Souths land, the image of the year with Bennett. Team spirit well and truly on.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/peter-sterling-addresses-wayne-bennett-dressing-room-scene-after-rabbitohs-vs-broncos/34b12b17-4a0c-429f-9ed0-87a3324ae6d5

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« 2019-Sep-04, 08:20 PM Reply #413 »
Brennan and Brown gone.

Rumour is one more coach will go but all depends if the board is prepared to pay out the contract.

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« 2019-Sep-04, 08:29 PM Reply #414 »
If itís Mary & Saints others heads should roll as well

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« 2019-Sep-05, 07:59 AM Reply #415 »
At the start of the year there were a few clubs who wanted their coaches to make the top 8 to survive.

Newcastle and Gold Coast were the only ones to go through with that plan.

Parramatta were an aberration as they made a great start and the top 8 so Arthur received an extension. Mail was Stuart was under slight pressure to go better than last year which he did so well.

The others in question were Pay, Kearney, Macgregor and Green. The boards in some of these clubs extended their contracts as they felt there was no one better or got sold a long term vision.

If sacked some of these coaches have 1-2 years of payouts left so these clubs have to decided between a $1m settlement plus another coach who will want a 3 year contract with no guarantee of success.

Someone I know at one of these clubs said the risk is if they sack the coach is their replacement. No one jumps out as potential replacements eg Griffin, Flanagan and Toovey have experience but left their previous clubs involuntarily. The rookie coaches are an unknown quantity too. The other issue is the backlash from fans regarding the waste of money if they have to pay out contracts for failures.

The coaches also donít want to leave as there are not many options for them other than England or assistant coach.


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« 2019-Sep-05, 08:12 AM Reply #416 »
Iíve been surprised that Griffin & Toovey havenít been given jobs.

Both would have been ideal for the Gold Coast


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« 2019-Sep-05, 08:25 AM Reply #417 »
WOD, some clubs are shying away from coaches that have been punted or feel can not relate to players or coaches who ask for long term deals or asking price too high.

Not sure if the two you mentioned fall in the above categories or they just wanted someone new to Australia.

Griffin would have been good for the knights. OíBrien might do the same. Griffin was considered tough by his players and not sure how much of that is because some players have been allowed to get away with a few things in the past as he stops that.

Also interestingly some of the big name coaches are asking for 3-5 year deals with no performance indicators until a 2 year lapse. This is more due to the rosters they inherit and salary cap issues.

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« 2019-Sep-05, 09:58 PM Reply #418 »
The Roosters v Rabbits game was one of the toughest games I have ever seen in the post fight era.

I just wonder how much they have taken out of each other. Roosters should have been up by 20 at half time. Mitchell dropped more ball this game than he would do for the entire finals series.

Souths are the real deal and defence was magnificent especially when they ran out of players too.

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« 2019-Sep-08, 11:55 AM Reply #419 »
Broncos are lucky to qualify for the finals. They need a half.

Raiders were too arrogant when they rested some of their players yesterday.

Roosters v Rabbits will be a great game as both will be licking their wounds from last week.

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« 2019-Sep-15, 05:55 PM Reply #420 »
Apologies to Morrison:-
How good did Easts, Manly and Parramatta play this weekend?

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« 2019-Sep-15, 06:36 PM Reply #421 »
Donít underrate the raiders too. I do think the Rabbits and Storm will win next weekend.

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« 2019-Sep-15, 06:50 PM Reply #422 »
I'm not underrating them-just that they weren't as impressive as the other three.

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« 2019-Sep-15, 07:02 PM Reply #423 »
I'm not underrating them-just that they weren't as impressive as the other three.

I do agree partially. Rabbits were never in it as go forward was crap and it was one of their worst ever. Sharks mentally looked fatigued while broncos were an embarrassment.

Storm threw what they had all game against the raiders. Saying that I think a few of the Storm players were reliant on their team mates than themselves.

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« 2019-Sep-17, 05:28 PM Reply #424 »
Looks like some of the Broncos like the pokies. Boyd and Mcculloch reportedly to look for new clubs and Milford on last chance. I am just surprised they did not blame Bennett for this.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/brisbane-broncos-stars-out-at-sydney-hotel-before-eels-finals-match/660a942a-8276-45b4-936c-59789be75d19


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