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Offline gratlog

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O.P. « 2009-Jan-20, 02:01 PM »
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« 2009-Jan-20, 02:04 PM Reply #1 »
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« 2009-Jan-20, 02:04 PM Reply #2 »
I'll go out on a limb and say the crusaders will win more than they lose in the super 14's. :p

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« 2009-Jan-20, 02:06 PM Reply #3 »
What about the mighty Reds?  :biggrin:

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« 2009-Jan-20, 02:21 PM Reply #4 »
Just reverse the statement, lol.   :biggrin:

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« 2009-Jan-20, 02:26 PM Reply #5 »
The Reds will shock you blokes one day  :lol:

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« 2009-Jan-20, 03:18 PM Reply #6 »
Don't worry Grats, the Reds will show definite improvement this year - Barnes promoted to captain, Daniel Braid a big signing... ex-Canberra Raider Mark McLinden set to play full-back.

They'll suffer from lack of depth as they usually do, but there's plenty of good players there if they can keep them on the park.

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« 2009-Jan-20, 03:42 PM Reply #7 »
$4 The Crusaders would be close to the roughest they have ever been at the start of the season.

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« 2009-Jan-20, 04:02 PM Reply #8 »
$4 is unders for mine. No Deans, no Carter, were nowhere near as dominant a side last year & lucky to win.
$41 the Reds is unders as well  ;)

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« 2009-Jan-20, 04:08 PM Reply #9 »
I'm going to tip a Hurricanes v Sharks final... they seem to be the two teams on the rise this year. Will be interesting to see how the Crusaders go without Robbie Deans at the helm, they're still a top 4 side, but I think the other two will have the edge on them this year.

After looking at the reds a bit closer, I reckon they could go close to being the top Aussie team this year, may even finish as high as #6 if they don't get too smashed with injuries. Lost plenty of players with retirement etc. last year, which has left the front row very thin, but there are big wraps on Laurie Weeks who won the NSW premiership with Sydney Uni last year. Horwill will still be out for the first half of the season with injury, but when he comes back, the second row looks pretty good. The back line looks to be where the main strength is and if the forwards can get a bit of momentum going (Braid will definitely help out there), then there should be plenty of points on offer with Barnes, Digby Ioane, Quade Cooper, Morgan Turinui, Peter Hynes and Mark McLinden (potentially) figuring prominently.

If the Reds can get their best team on the field, they'll worry most sides... injuries will make things a lot more difficult though ;)

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« 2009-Jan-20, 04:22 PM Reply #10 »
You wont be far off with your tip for the final as I think the Canes will be there for sure but fair dinkum Toasty.......The Reds to be the top aussie team??? What are you smokin up there :wacko: lack of depth will knock them around & the loss of Moore to the Brumbies will hurt them badly.

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« 2009-Jan-20, 04:28 PM Reply #11 »
It's not like the other Aussie teams are travelling much better, forward depth is a big issue for all of them this year... the Reds will need Laurie Weeks to be as good as everyone thinks he is, Holmes is still a first class prop and Edwards goes ok too, keep those three healthy for most of the season and it may not be so bad.

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« 2009-Jan-20, 04:41 PM Reply #12 »
They need to keep McMeniman & Horwill on the park & Horwill is already missing the first few games & McMeniman is hardly the most reliable conveyance injury wise. First 2 games in SA for them will tell us where they are at. They won't run last, reckon about 7-10, but can't see them finishing in front of the Brumbies or Waratahs.

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« 2009-Jan-21, 10:58 AM Reply #13 »
Some of the best season preview info, including all the ins and outs, club draws etc. are on the Australian Rugby site here (team central > team profile links are what you're looking for).

http://www.rugby.com.au/investec_super_14/team_central_/team_central,125402.html

Waratahs would have to have the sweetest draw of any team, 7 home games (+1 in Canberra), and 3 SA games in the last three rounds following a bye week... might be tough to get points at the end, but they should be well up the table before they head to SA you would think.

The Reds once again got shafted there - start off in SA, only get 6 home games... only positive is they only have to play the two games in SA :)

Sharks have a bit of a dream draw too - 7 home games, only 4 games outside of SA (2 in NZ, 2 in Aus), all 4 in a row fairly early in the season... they should be building some decent momentum come semi finals time and will be tough to beat.

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« 2009-Jan-21, 03:28 PM Reply #14 »

Round 1: February 13 - February 15

Or filter by team:
Filter by round:
Home Team Result Away Team Location
Friday , February 13
Highlanders vs Brumbies Carisbrook Stadium, Dunedin 05:35pm
Western Force vs Blues Subiaco Oval, Perth 09:45pm
Saturday , February 14
Lions vs Cheetahs Ellis Park, Johannesburg 04:10am
Crusaders vs Chiefs AMI Stadium, Christchurch 03:30pm
Hurricanes vs Waratahs Westpac Stadium, Wellington 05:35pm
Sunday , February 15
Stormers vs Sharks Newlands Rugby Stadium, Cape Town 02:00am
Bulls vs Reds Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria 04:10am

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« 2009-Apr-04, 09:33 PM Reply #15 »
Exciting win by the Waratahs tonight in a scrappy game, but somehow I think they'll need to find a bit of improvement to be a threat.

Lachie Turner's two tries were gems, but too much turnover of the ball.

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« 2009-Apr-06, 11:08 AM Reply #16 »
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« 2009-Apr-10, 06:16 PM Reply #17 »
I'm on the Blue 8-14 half time margin, they're leading 14-0 with 5 min to go

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12588 S14 Rd9 Blue-Lion HTMarg Blues 8-14 Sell Bet Win 3.75 $30.00
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« 2009-Apr-11, 11:32 PM Reply #18 »
How far forward are passes allowed to be thrown before they're deemed forward?

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« 2009-May-02, 09:07 PM Reply #19 »
Can anyone explain why Union players drop the ball as much as they do?

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« 2009-May-22, 05:13 PM Reply #20 »
Anyone have thoughts on Semi Final Chiefs v Hurricanes at Waikato.

2 or 3 weeks back, the Chiefs proved a touch too good, but I think the Hurricanes can turn the tables.

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« 2009-May-22, 05:41 PM Reply #21 »
What a brain dead decision for both teams to wear their predominately black and yellow strips  emthdown

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« 2009-May-22, 05:42 PM Reply #22 »
Hurricanes and Bulls good things a good judge tells me.

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« 2009-May-28, 01:27 PM Reply #23 »
Grand Final preview.

The Bulls have got a stack in their favour here with the home ground advantage, a full strength line up, injuries to key Chiefs players and, most importantly in my opinion, 12 players from their championship 2007 side lining up. Experience plays a huge part in any Final and the Bulls have a massive edge in this department. Not only Super 14 Final experience but World Cup Final experience.

One thing I look for in semi finals is player reaction to the full time siren. Sides like the Chiefs, who have never played a final, jump around with glee and celebrate like they have won the tournament. Seasoned campaigners, like the Bulls, might allow themselves a raising of the arms or a quiet fist pump but they are fully aware the job is not complete. Very rarely, in any code of football, does a side with no finals experience beat a side with recent finals experience. The occasion becomes a bit too much for the less experienced first timers and they console themselves with the fact they did well to reach the final. The experienced side has no such thoughts in the back of their mind, knowing anything less than victory in the final is a failure.

For the second straight week the Bulls demonstrated championship qualities in coming from behind to win against quality opposition. Once again there was no panic, they remained composed, stuck to the tried and tested game plan, worked their way back in front and proceeded to control the game. The Crusaders had them on the rack at 7-20 ten minutes before half time but in the blink of an eye it was 27-20 and the Bulls had slipped into cruise control. Only very good sides can do that.

The Chiefs surprised me by reverting to their more expansive game in the first half against the Hurricanes and it paid dividends. Unfortunately, the man most responsible for the attacking inroads made and master of counter attack, Sivivatu, will not be a factor this week. His absence is critical and his combination with Muliaina will be sorely missed. Nonetheless, if the Chiefs are to have any chance they must go all out attack for the full 80 minutes. You simply will not beat the Bulls attempting to play a territory based game. Bulls fullback Kirchner will return kicks with interest and wings Ndungane and Habana are more than willing to run it back at you. The Chiefs defence has been terrific in recent weeks but defending field goals is near impossible, especially against someone who gets boot to ball as quickly as Morne Steyne does.

The Bulls have a clear advantage at the lineout through Botha, Matfield and Spies and I canít see the Chiefs getting the better of the Bulls at the scrum. Consequently the Chiefs must rely on breakdown and kick return possession. Through the likes of Masaga, Muliaina and Lauaki they have players capable of scoring with the barest scraps of ball but I donít think it will be enough. The Bulls will more than likely turn this into a slugfest and grind the Chiefs into the turf but theyíve shown they have plenty of gas of their own and can score long range tries. They should be too strong and with Steyne capable of dropping goals from anywhere inside the half he will keep them out of the Chiefs range.

The $1.35 H-H is too short but the $2.70 1-12 margin is attractive. Also think $17.00 for a Bulls drop goal being first score is worth a nibble and Iíd throw something on the Chiefs Masaga as first tryscorer at $12.00.

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« 2009-May-28, 01:39 PM Reply #24 »
Very well done mate.   emthup


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