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Offline Wenona

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O.P. « 2018-Jun-24, 09:48 AM »
Very quiet so far on the round ball game.

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« 2018-Jun-24, 09:51 AM Reply #1 »
They've introduced a video assistant review system in Russia - there's like 6 guys with twenty screens - one of their main jobs is to check possible penalties, but they miss this ...

Serbia v Switzerland



Has to be some sort of inquiry I think, stuff like this just smells of corruption.

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« 2018-Jun-25, 02:45 AM Reply #2 »
I was going to start a thread and then thought obviously no-one seemed interested. :embarrassed:


Don't follow the game myself but this is a big deal every four years.


Was talking to some fellow cabbies who do follow the game and suggested something.


The faking of injury and writhing around on the ground for half an hour is a blight on the game.


This should be THE showcase of the game.  Instead I just get pissed off watching it.


So I suggested that a yellow card should be given for the first infringement.


A red card for the second.  (Doesn't have to be the same player - just same team)


Penalty spot for the third.


The video assistant can be used every time one of them goes down as if shot to see if they're faking or not. 


Anyone else hate this and have a better suggestion?

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« 2018-Jun-25, 06:46 PM Reply #3 »
I'm not so sure on the VAR  :chin:

Having played my whole life you play to the whistle but this going back after it had been reviewed while play goes on is a bit  :wacko: in my books.

I'm happy for it to review balls crossing the line or off sides in a goal situation but I'm not a fan of the interference during general play.
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« 2018-Jun-25, 08:25 PM Reply #4 »
Yeah, the delays and then having the ref run off the field to watch a reply on a big telly is a bit much.



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« 2018-Jun-25, 09:47 PM Reply #5 »
I actually like the idea of the referee looking at the replay.

It means that he makes the final decision.

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« 2018-Jun-26, 01:34 AM Reply #6 »
Faking it,

'best player in the world' admits to regularly faking it and this no doubt helps him be the 'best player in the world' due to defenders being scared to tackle him properly which gives him more time and more room.

The officials should do whatever it takes to stamp this blight out and firezukis suggestion of using the VAR system is a good one But not necessarily during live play. Use it at half time and all potential fakes looked at and simply put any players faking it are out for the final half AND take a 1 month loss of pay. ie be serious about stamping it out and make it hurt.

2nd half or in tied situations make the penalty much much worse given the extra incentive to fake it.

The all of of a sudden we may have players who fall, or look like they got tripped rushing to the ref to say 'no foul I just lost my balance and fell.

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« 2018-Jun-27, 03:23 PM Reply #7 »
Who would have thought it would be so hard to find an Australian who can put the ball in the back of the net?

Many chances in the tournament but our only goals come from penalties

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« 2018-Jun-27, 03:54 PM Reply #8 »
Who would have thought it would be so hard to find an Australian who can put the ball in the back of the net?

Many chances in the tournament but our only goals come from penalties

I said exactly the same in conversation last night.

All those athletic kids running around the country playing soccer and we cannot find one single player who is up to Kewell/Viduka standard. Our best striker is probably the captain playing out of midfield.  I don't know how we even got into this tournament. Not up to the standard required. We would struggle to beat the Gallapagos Islands.

Argentina scrapes into the last 16. Might be the surprise package when the pressure games start happening.

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« 2018-Jun-27, 04:51 PM Reply #9 »
In Australia there are four football codes, the gene pool for soccer is third in line. Not many kids in the AFL heartlands states of Vic. Tas SA & WA would prefer soccer over AFL.

In NZ  & South Africa, where Rugby Union is virtually a religion, soccer also struggles, whereas in all of the countries that have qualified into the last sixteen in Russia soccer is clearly their number one winter or summer sport.

Until Australian kids preference is to play soccer, there is no way Australia will ever get into the last sixteen of any World Cup.

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« 2018-Jun-27, 04:55 PM Reply #10 »
In Australia there are four football codes, the gene pool for soccer is third in line. Not many kids in the AFL heartlands states of Vic. Tas SA & WA would prefer soccer over AFL.

In NZ  & South Africa, where Rugby Union is virtually a religion, soccer also struggles, whereas in all of the countries that have qualified into the last sixteen in Russia soccer is clearly their number one winter or summer sport.

Until Australian kids preference is to play soccer, there is no way Australia will ever get into the last sixteen of any World Cup.

Adults + Kids in soccer beats any other sport by a significant amount




https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/football-australia-s-most-played-sport-with-1-1m-participants

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« 2018-Jun-27, 06:03 PM Reply #11 »
Just watching the SBS recap.

Australia seemed to play well and had chances. Can't see what anyone could have done to stop one brilliant plus one above-par goal from Peru.

In the game against France I was surprised by how well we played.

This was not a strong team entering the tournament, and it didn't have too much luck. It's what can happen.

Craig Foster's summary was boring, but thankfully he'd calmed down from his reported rant blaming Van Marwijk. The coach, who got Netherlands to a final, did well here, and neither he, nor his well-credentialed foreign predecessors deserve being sprayed as scapegoats.

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« 2018-Jun-27, 07:29 PM Reply #12 »
Adults + Kids in soccer beats any other sport by a significant amount




https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/football-australia-s-most-played-sport-with-1-1m-participants

If I drive around Melbourne on any weekend there are three times as many boys playing AFL as those playing soccer, just as there are ten times as many people  attending AFL games.


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« 2018-Jun-27, 09:00 PM Reply #13 »
I said exactly the same in conversation last night.

All those athletic kids running around the country playing soccer and we cannot find one single player who is up to Kewell/Viduka standard. Our best striker is probably the captain playing out of midfield.  I don't know how we even got into this tournament. Not up to the standard required. We would struggle to beat the Gallapagos Islands.

Argentina scrapes into the last 16. Might be the surprise package when the pressure games start happening.

I can't agree with much of that PP.

Viduka, Josh Kennedy or Aloisi were our last 'true' strikers. Kewell was more a winger and even Cahill only developed out of being an attacking midfielder as we had no one else.

If you watched any of the qualification it was amazing to see us actually make it, Lostecoglou had us playing a terrible style which had us constantly exposed at the back.

Credit to Van Marwijik that he got us playing a decent style although somewhat cautious  :/ The side that played these 3 games were head and shoulders above what qualified, we held our own basically. We simply lack a true marksman at the front.

Even last night we probably created at least 8 chances and converted zero, they had 2 and credit to them they made them count.

One thing I must say, we look far better when we go at sides with pace and take on the defence, this Euro style slow build up / possession play doesn't suit our ability  :shy:

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« 2018-Jun-27, 10:45 PM Reply #14 »
Adults + Kids in soccer beats any other sport by a significant amount




https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/football-australia-s-most-played-sport-with-1-1m-participants

nice darts PP7 

could you drill down in the figures without juniors ?
don't worry I can do it off the top of my head .
once boys ( they are the only ones playing WCS ) turn 16 50% leave the sport
change your figures to not support your opinion
 

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« 2018-Jun-27, 11:08 PM Reply #15 »
I didn't post the "Adults plus Kids" figures to be misleading. They were the only ones I could find.  :angel:

Regardless.

The figures look about right to me.

I don't know what happens in kids sport in other areas, but in Sydney's South soccer is booming and the number of games going on at the junior level far surpasses the Rugby codes.

Junior Rugby League has fallen off a cliff. The main reason being that it is based on age and with the proliferation of Pacific Islanders playing the game it is not an implausible scenario to imagine a 12 year old say playing someone who is twice their weight. And the generational "soccer mums" do not want their darlings playing Rugby League. Union is OK if you go to a private school   :lol:


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« 2018-Jun-27, 11:50 PM Reply #16 »
far enough

quick look

6-13 48.7%
14+ 30.8 %
I can see the trend ?

same here , not many figures about .
no wonder  , after under 16's not many play soccer in Aus as there is no money and mummy can't protect  them anymore

there's the answer 

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« 2018-Jun-29, 02:42 PM Reply #17 »
One of the major problems Rats is the cost of participation.

Soccer was always upwardly funded where portions of the rego fees went towards the FFA. You didn't even get a pair of socks for your $300  :/

One of my mates sons was selected in a junior rep / development side, the cost was over $1500 to him!!! You'd think it would be cheaper, not dearer to be involved at that level.  :shrug:

Another friend's son is signed for an A League club (he's 17) it wasn't until a few managers came calling that the club would sign him to a deal, they had just been expecting him to stay  :shutup: That deal is less than $200 a week. This kid has already represented his country and I've no doubt he will make it in the future.

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« 2018-Jun-30, 11:09 AM Reply #18 »
Soccer is seen as the safe participation sport for non-elite kids and the numbers are bloated as such.

The numbers are also skewed on gender lines which is misleading when contemplating the emergence of male elite athletes, and probably goes some way to explain the difference in stature of the women's and men's soccer teams in he world.



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« 2018-Jul-01, 02:30 PM Reply #19 »
Hadn't heard of Mbappe before but I don't think I'll ever forget him now. Besides his sprinting and shooting seen today, he appears to have exceptional ball control in dribbling past opponents. He's now the deserved favourite for the Golden Ball.

Chersyhev has had a fairytale tournament and the $10.50 for Top 4 Goalscorers looks very generous.

The $1.09 for Kane in that market may look like free money to some. But while it's hard to see him missing out, should he tie for 4th Backers will lose!

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« 2018-Jul-02, 02:57 AM Reply #20 »
The Russians knock off Espana   :biggrin:

How about that keeper for Russia Игорь Владимирович Акинфеев

Some fantastic saves  :clap2:

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« 2018-Jul-02, 05:08 PM Reply #21 »
Read the list of team values the other day and thought it was interesting. Contract values aren't a direct correlation to performance but it offers a bit of perspective of the challenge the Aussies were up against. We probably went as well as we could have.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/world-cup-2018/teilnehmer/pokalwettbewerb/WM18

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« 2018-Jul-06, 12:25 AM Reply #22 »

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« 2018-Jul-07, 06:02 PM Reply #23 »
A suggestion for those of you who either hate or are indifferent to soccer.

Stop following it or commenting on it here.

And to the AFL fans among you.

How about devoting some effort to fixing up its mess in areas like-

30+ players swarming around to lock in a ball and make the spectacle boring beyond belief.

The sickening display of off the ball players attack their opponents in an effort to unsettle them. What does that have to do with sportsmanship!

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« 2018-Jul-07, 06:22 PM Reply #24 »
Can any soccer expert explain to me if a player is brought down in the box ,say, 2 metres out from scoring a certain goal, he only gets a free shot for goal 11 metres out on the penalty spot. Why is not the penalty shot taken where the infringement occurs?
It gives the defending / offending side a chance of NOT conceding a certain goal
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