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Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-May-31, 08:13 AM Reply #475 »

How the Wu Gok did that happen?


The win of Wu Gok was not a good look yesterday -- and nor was the 'look' on the trainer's face explaining it.

The win was no surprise to some -- only to most.

'Getting one ready' and 'smoking it in' is a troubling feature of the racing industry culture -- one that leaves most punters hostage to 'stings' that hurt

Chris Roots reports this morning:

'We sent him out to Hermitage and gave instructions that we wanted him back ready for this race over 2000m'

As for Hermitage -- he sure was got ready -- away from open eyes:

A state of the art 16 horse stable barn, within a complex that includes a covered walking machine tie up area and wash-bay, form a precinct where horses can be worked and ridden throughout the farm. Horses are worked in paddocks, laneways, wooded areas and arguably one of Australiaís best uphill, turfed and irrigated exercise track.

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« 2020-May-31, 10:21 AM Reply #476 »

How the Wu Gok did that happen?


The win of Wu Gok was not a good look yesterday -- and nor was the 'look' on the trainer's face explaining it.

The win was no surprise to some -- only to most.

'Getting one ready' and 'smoking it in' is a troubling feature of the racing industry culture -- one that leaves most punters hostage to 'stings' that hurt

Chris Roots reports this morning:

'We sent him out to Hermitage and gave instructions that we wanted him back ready for this race over 2000m'

As for Hermitage -- he sure was got ready -- away from open eyes:

A state of the art 16 horse stable barn, within a complex that includes a covered walking machine tie up area and wash-bay, form a precinct where horses can be worked and ridden throughout the farm. Horses are worked in paddocks, laneways, wooded areas and arguably one of Australiaís best uphill, turfed and irrigated exercise track.

I had him (Wu Gok) in the Qld Treble which I got (only because #1 was a late scratching in the last and I got the odds on sub  :shy: )

Two starts ago he ran 3rd in the Listed Randwick City Stakes over the distance on a Soft 6 track.

Last start he failed over 2400m in the Group 3 Manion Cup.

Yesterday he switched back to Listed grade 2000m and dropped 1.5 kg on his Randwick City Stks win (same limit, same Qty conditions).

Track was a Heavy 8 and his wet track form was 11: 6-1-0.

Anyone who didn't consider Wu Gok a chance did not read the form guide. They probably were lazy and looked at other people's tips instead.

Absolutely nothing to do with this thread and the intended purpose.

Nothing to do with "getting one ready" or "smoking one in". A more apt description would be "well trained" which is why Chris Waller is the nations most successful trainer at this point in our history.

His official fluctuations are $15/$20/$21/$20. There is nothing in those fluctuations that is remarkable.

You are trying to create some "newsworthy story" out of nothing.

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« 2020-May-31, 11:06 AM Reply #477 »
Actually PM has a point in some regards regarding Wallet runners. Majority of the time when he has multiple runners, you could make cases for most of them. The betting market sometimes speaks but not usually. Thus it is a choice factor and if you donít have a bundle it is quite difficult.

I donít agree with any shenanigans theory as gambling is about life. I had Lord Mayor in his race as I thought 3rd up he would be ok.

I stand to be corrected but there is no consistency with staying races in any of the states these days. You donít get winning streaks as it is a very even much of stayers and luck in running, barriers, jockeys l, pace, track bias has more of an effect than ability.

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« 2020-May-31, 12:01 PM Reply #478 »
Agreed,

All a part of the variance that makes it interesting..... and profitable if you do the work.

Just how ready a first up horse is also a part of the variance.

Fours

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« 2020-May-31, 12:36 PM Reply #479 »
Poison is spot on . Nothing to see here. The horse is a knob in affected ground. The bells went off for me as soon as I saw the track condition. Sadly for me I didn't listen to them and was worried about the break. Such is life. I was going to say it beggars belief that Mair is rattling on about this : but with his ineptitude it shouldn't come as any shock.

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« 2020-Jun-01, 06:38 PM Reply #480 »
You're barking up the wrong tree here Ol'Pete.

Wu Gok should be considered in an heavy track race you see him in, anyone following form knows that.

The way I do the form I had the race marked - (7) (16) 18

What that means is I had Bottega on top with chances to Wu Gok & Aliferous. I normally will save on (or small profit) on the chances and back the on top selection to win.

Sadly I'm having one of those runs and (stupidly in hindsight) decided to shorten up my outlay once I saw Wu Gok $15 --> $30 on BF  :/ Normally I ignore the blow but decided to pass when he blew on his favoured surface.

I've only got myself to blame as I second guessed my own form  :censored:

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« 2020-Jun-01, 07:42 PM Reply #481 »


Wu Gok was readied

..............bar the 'heavy track' ... the Wu Gok win 'first up' was contrary to the established form pattern.

'Getting one ready' to win 'first up' over 2000m -- by some lengths -- is an achievement ....but the punters were wrong-footed.

Maybe the owners were also 'wrong footed' but we do not know who bet on it with the advantage of what encouragement.

.....the trainers remark, after the race,  that it was sent to be readied for this race is telling.

In all cases of 'surprise wins' the stewards should review 'who bet on it' and consider investigating 'who was told what'.

..........'getting one ready' is not an offence ........... alerting some 'others' to get on may be insider-trading.

I got stung.

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« 2020-Jun-01, 07:53 PM Reply #482 »
You stung yourself by not doing the form you clown   :lol:

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« 2020-Jun-02, 08:29 PM Reply #483 »

Wu Gok was readied

..............bar the 'heavy track' ... the Wu Gok win 'first up' was contrary to the established form pattern.

'Getting one ready' to win 'first up' over 2000m -- by some lengths -- is an achievement ....but the punters were wrong-footed.

Maybe the owners were also 'wrong footed' but we do not know who bet on it with the advantage of what encouragement.

.....the trainers remark, after the race,  that it was sent to be readied for this race is telling.

In all cases of 'surprise wins' the stewards should review 'who bet on it' and consider investigating 'who was told what'.

..........'getting one ready' is not an offence ........... alerting some 'others' to get on may be insider-trading.

I got stung.

So who did you bak if you got stung?

Offline Peter Mair

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« 2020-Jun-02, 09:02 PM Reply #484 »


        ....... sorry ...... my selections are known only to my commission agent.

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« 2020-Jun-05, 05:34 PM Reply #485 »
The owners of Order Again have turned to C Waller to get a result for them......must be very frustrating owning him.
Order Again has always look like a good horse but with all the hanging he does he also looks like a horse with a lot of soundness issues.

As well as applying the 'Waller Veterinary Science', C Waller has also applied the Norton Bit to the horse......it's a pretty severe bit of gear.....interesting to how he races in it.

Broken all of my rules in regard early betting around the Waller stable to have a bit of the $26.....certainly not recommending it :no:, it's just the mug punter in me.
Should like the soft Randwick surface tomorrow.

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« 2020-Jun-05, 06:35 PM Reply #486 »
Nem, heís a talent  :thumbsup:

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« 2020-Jun-05, 06:38 PM Reply #487 »

Right up my alley --restoring 'order again'

......thanks .... reads like a very sensible assessment....... it rates well on past form.

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« 2020-Jun-05, 06:50 PM Reply #488 »
How would you know  :biggrin:

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« 2020-Jun-05, 07:34 PM Reply #489 »
Imagine being Mair's commission agent !! Wouldn't have had an earner since Big Philou rolled Rain Lover in a two horse race all those years ago. Then again the poor old agent probably missed then if Monty tipped Rain Lover.

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« 2020-Jun-05, 07:37 PM Reply #490 »


Bite on command .......... the kennel klub has a 'top god' and faithful followers....... Orwellian.

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« 2020-Jun-05, 07:42 PM Reply #491 »
Whatís your tip for the Straddie tomorrow Pete?

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« 2020-Jun-05, 08:19 PM Reply #492 »
Wily,
       His nurse hasn't told Pete it is on Tomorrow.

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« 2020-Jun-05, 08:36 PM Reply #493 »
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« 2020-Jun-05, 09:19 PM Reply #494 »


........ 15............. &...........5

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« 2020-Jun-06, 04:59 PM Reply #495 »
Waller wins the title for most G1 wins again this season.

It will be interesting to see how he goes next season as not sure he has the talent to be competitive as previous seasons. He has good horses but most seem Saturday class rather than G1 winners.

Nature Strip, Funstar and Verry Elegant along with Kolding if he can improve will be the usual flag bearers. His other 2yos and 3yos have showed some class at occasions so they could improve.


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« 2020-Jun-06, 11:24 PM Reply #496 »
Sorry Jeunes , who gives a toss how many "Group Ones " he wins. That is after all just a tag formulated by the breeders who nowadays run the show. I couldn't care less if he wins 38 or 3. As a punter I am far more interested in finishing in front at Port Augusta, Ipswich, Sapphire Coast etc Tomorrow than what Waller does next season.

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« 2020-Jun-12, 06:58 PM Reply #497 »


A question might be answered -- others may not be asked

One question is can Wu Gok having been 'readied' to win first-up, against its pattern, can do it again -- the market is saying 'sure can' -- the trainers assessment on 2KSKY in the morning will be of interest.

That question will be answered.

Possibly more interesting questions concern whether those that 'got on' last start will be backing up again tomorrow -- and, if not, asked 'why not?'

[How the Wu Gok did that happen? ......... Wu Gok was readied  ( so was Madam Rouge)]

 

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« 2020-Jun-12, 08:13 PM Reply #498 »

A question might be answered -- others may not be asked

One question is can Wu Gok having been 'readied' to win first-up, against its pattern,


Oh Pete. You were wrong again
You really need to find a pastime you can understand :bulb: :bulb:

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« 2020-Jun-12, 11:20 PM Reply #499 »

A question might be answered -- others may not be asked

One question is can Wu Gok having been 'readied' to win first-up, against its pattern, can do it again -- the market is saying 'sure can' -- the trainers assessment on 2KSKY in the morning will be of interest.

That question will be answered.

Possibly more interesting questions concern whether those that 'got on' last start will be backing up again tomorrow -- and, if not, asked 'why not?'

[How the Wu Gok did that happen? ......... Wu Gok was readied  ( so was Madam Rouge)]

Why to choose to ignore when people go out of their way to explain things to you?

Wu Gok is a duck, it quacks FFS. it's not whether it was 'got ready' it's whether the weather lines up with it! Continuing to repeat your same delusions won't make them right  :no:

Not to mention it was $15 --> $30 on BF so it hardly was some plunge  :stop:


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