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Online wily ole dog

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« 2020-Jun-13, 10:28 AM Reply #500 »
Another slap down for Mair.  :lol:

Hope you find a Perfect Jewel today, Pete
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« 2020-Jun-13, 07:21 PM Reply #501 »


Wu Gok's win today was interesting

 ..........slow in lead ...slow overall............ apparently on the canvas ... rallied between stable runners........ got up in a sit-and-run........ AOK.........by the stewards report.

This is not a good look ........ multiple runners ....... perhaps two at most.

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« 2020-Jun-13, 10:43 PM Reply #502 »
You are a complete pickle.

You have spent a few years whining about big fields and rough results.

We get a small field, favourite gets a soft lead and wins and you are still moaning.

Why do you bet, you can’t win with your extraordinary low levels of knowledge and you clearly don’t enjoy it?

Why not save yourself and us the pain and take up bird watching.

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« 2020-Jun-14, 11:01 AM Reply #503 »
When Wu Gok got to $4, 10 minutes before the jump, I wondered if the Waller camp were going to pull another High Bridge or Seaway stunt.
Wu Gok tightened back up so wasn't going to be.

The move around Carzoff had me putting a couple of $s on him $8.5 into $5.5.
 N Rawiller's 1/2 kg over really was the difference in the end between 1st and 2nd.

Waller was suggesting 2400 m was the limit for Wu Gok and his breeding doesn't suggest stamina but there's a lot of strength coming from somewhere. :shrug:

I just noted Seaway has been retired.
2 1/2 years at Wallers, 17 starts, $377k, 2 heart arrhythmias :what: and it's all over for the son of Ocean Park.
Nice horse with a very short career ......hopefully can find a good home.

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« 2020-Jun-14, 12:27 PM Reply #504 »
Why not save yourself and us the pain and take up bird watching.

What have you got against bird-watchers  :bleh:

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« 2020-Jun-14, 02:15 PM Reply #505 »

WuGok was not in a race

 ......... race watching can be more colorful and interesting....... just there to lead a sit and sprint........  the stablemates seeing a hold-up in progress did not call the cops or otherwise intervene.


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« 2020-Jun-14, 03:49 PM Reply #506 »

A question might be answered -- others may not be asked

One question is can Wu Gok having been 'readied' to win first-up, against its pattern, can do it again -- the market is saying 'sure can' -- the trainers assessment on 2KSKY in the morning will be of interest.

That question will be answered.

Possibly more interesting questions concern whether those that 'got on' last start will be backing up again tomorrow -- and, if not, asked 'why not?'

[How the Wu Gok did that happen? ......... Wu Gok was readied  ( so was Madam Rouge)]


Well, yet another example of Mair getting it wrong.....again, oh dear.

As usual,  when Pete is exposed as the goose he is, he deflects and points blame elsewhere

A very low trait in any human   :lol:

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« 2020-Jun-14, 08:19 PM Reply #507 »


The question was answered ............. and it raised more issues about stablemates not racing in races

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« 2020-Jun-14, 09:46 PM Reply #508 »
Yes the question was answered Pete but not correctly by you.....again

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« 2020-Jun-29, 10:57 AM Reply #509 »
I just noted Seaway has been retired.
2 1/2 years at Wallers, 17 starts, $377k, 2 heart arrhythmias :what: and it's all over for the son of Ocean Park.
Nice horse with a very short career ......hopefully can find a good home.
Bit sad  watching Gayatri disappear out of the picture in the 3200 metre race on Saturday.
Just another of the C 'I believe in Lasix' Waller runners to suffer heart arrhythmia.

2 years after entering the furosemide program at the Waller stable the mare looked to have had a pretty painful experience on Saturday at Rosehill.
Maybe it is time for the vets at Racing NSW to take a closer look at C Waller's claim that Furosemide prolongs a racehorse's career.
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/waller-up-front-following-lasix-positive-shared-archive/.

The evidence could show the opposite. :what:

The ex Waller stayers aren't really featuring in their jumping careers, it has to be said.
It's not as if they can't jump......they just look well spent. :sad:

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« 2020-Jun-29, 04:44 PM Reply #510 »
He uses it to mask whatever else he puts into them.

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« 2020-Jun-29, 09:27 PM Reply #511 »


CW

............... he sure can 'get one ready' .......... it can be one of a number from his stable in the same race.

Some 'remarkable' stunts have been pulled.

Limiting the number of stable runners -- to two -- would have much the same outcome as 'bracketing' stable runners.

CW would be dealt with in USAmerica.

Simply requiring the audited  'treatment' regime of the CW horses engaged would be a start.


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« 2020-Jun-30, 09:40 AM Reply #512 »
These last two posts must border on defamation emthdown

Defamation is where a person or small business seeks damages for loss of reputation due to someone publishing or otherwise distributing defamatory material that causes others to think less of them. Defamatory material can take many forms including blogs, articles, novels, poems, photos, songs, emails, cartoons, drawings, paintings, online reviews, social media posts, and more.

Defamatory matter can also be broadcast or spoken (e.g., a person might be defamed on a radio show or in a public presentation). If you state or spread something defamatory in any public forum, including over the internet, you could be taken to court.

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« 2020-Jun-30, 10:20 AM Reply #513 »
Waller defamed his own reputation with a raceday Lasix treatment to Junoob (oops), having an email sent from his personal computer stating “how much did we get”, throwing his stable foreman “under a bus”, then re-employing him (Liam Prior) when his suspension finished. This was all after they attempted to steal 100,000 odd dollars off some “not as dumb as they thought” owners. Ol’ mate Waller doesn’t need any help from me to muddy his reputation.

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« 2020-Jun-30, 01:51 PM Reply #514 »
Can't see any defamation anywhere JWH
There is a good reason that sporting organisations ban the use of diuretics by their athletes......because it washes away the evidence.

For the Racing NSW Vet to describe Lasix as a preventative drug is just ridiculous.
Lasix is only a good drug for the treatment of bleeders......the rest of the time it is a bad drug.
Why don't RNSW put this 'longevity claim' by C Waller to the test......it's been 6 years since he pulled out that famous line.
It is only a very small percentage of racehorses that are susceptible to bleeds.

It's far to easy to go to the internet and learn about the risk of electrolyte depletion from the use of Furosemide.
Why can I so easily find evidence that potassium deficiency caused by the drug can cause heart arrhythmias?

While in a normal world you would want to praise C Waller for getting Order Again to go straight on Saturday, you have to remind yourself that this stable uses a potent diuretic so I'll just sit on my hands. :chin:

How did Lasix get it's name? ......because it LAsts SIX hours.......and that is true :yes:
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« 2020-Jul-02, 04:22 PM Reply #515 »
These last two posts must border on defamation emthdown

Defamation is where a person or small business seeks damages for loss of reputation due to someone publishing or otherwise distributing defamatory material that causes others to think less of them. Defamatory material can take many forms including blogs, articles, novels, poems, photos, songs, emails, cartoons, drawings, paintings, online reviews, social media posts, and more.

Defamatory matter can also be broadcast or spoken (e.g., a person might be defamed on a radio show or in a public presentation). If you state or spread something defamatory in any public forum, including over the internet, you could be taken to court.

Defamation law is designed to protect all Australians from false or damaging statements being made about them that may cause harm to their personal or professional reputation. It enables those who have been defamed to seek compensation for financial and other losses resulting from a defamatory publication of any kind.

In recent years, defamation claims have become more prominent given the nature and volume of content published on digital platforms and social media. Defamation law aims to strike a balance between permitting the free distribution of information, ideas, and opinions, and protecting individuals and small businesses from having their reputations tarnished or destroyed.

  emthup    emthup

Big mouths with absolutely zero evidence.

Only internet "thought bubbles" parroted from elsewhere.

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« 2020-Jul-02, 07:04 PM Reply #516 »
Junoob didn’t have a race day positive to Lasix?

An email from his personal computer was accessed by the Stewards but they couldn’t 100% determine he wrote it (99% isn’t good enough apparently). Do some research.

Any person with any brains would know that Prior took the hit for him. I don’t know any person or trainer for that matter who would compromise their business by re employing someone who tried to rip off their customers, unless of course they were knowingly complicit. Stable foreman are a dime a dozen.

Ban the use of “LAst SIX days”, and Waller’s winning percentage would fall through the floor boards.

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« 2020-Jul-03, 01:03 PM Reply #517 »

An email from his personal computer was accessed by the Stewards but they couldn’t 100% determine he wrote it (99% isn’t good enough apparently). Do some research.


"Do some research".

What does that mean?

Jump on Google and hope to catch some parroted bullshit?

90% of the information on the internet is either over-stated or completely and utterly false.

It is a discredited source of information. Wish people would wake up to that.

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« 2020-Jul-03, 01:27 PM Reply #518 »
Yep. A discredited source direct from a Stewards inquiry report. Then again, it could be crap just like when you were adamant there was no cocaine found when the Police raided Weir & McLean.

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« 2020-Jul-26, 11:39 AM Reply #519 »
Big turn around in form from Jay Jay D'ar yesterday.
No surprise that the roughest of the Waller runners performs the best.....that happens all the time.
https://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjcyNjkwMTI1NzY%3d&stage=Results&Key=2020Jul25,NSW,Rosehill%20Gardens&src=horseform&raceentry=NjU5MTE1NzkxMzY%3d

The betting flucs around the mare yesterday suggested someone thought she was going to run well.....probably should have won :shrug:
What is strange is that the Waller stable notified RNSW Stewards on Wed that the mare was slightly lame after her last run on the 4th July.
Why would it take 17 days to identify and notify about lameness? :chin:

Throw away the form guide......wouldn't you like to see the blood counts from the diuretic using stable, before placing a bet! :yes:

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« 2020-Jul-26, 11:53 AM Reply #520 »
You are a complete pickle.

You have spent a few years whining about big fields and rough results.

We get a small field, favourite gets a soft lead and wins and you are still moaning.

Why do you bet, you can’t win with your extraordinary low levels of knowledge and you clearly don’t enjoy it?

Why not save yourself and us the pain and take up bird watching.

Fair dinkum mate .... have you ever tried bird watching ...... those things fly around in flocks of 15-20 sometimes. How are you supposed to spot your bird when there's so many of them and they keep getting in the way, if they bred birds to only fly in flocks of three .... well now, that would be a different story.

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« 2020-Jul-26, 08:56 PM Reply #521 »
Big turn around in form from Jay Jay D'ar yesterday.

Two possible explanations nemisis:

1. Horse's preceding four starts had been on Randwick heavy tracks - two of those the jockey stated to the stewards that the horse didn't handle the heavy.

Switched to its home track Rosehill yesterday on a much drier surface which (on my figures) was around a 5. Or track "dead" in the good old days.   :biggrin:

2. The two stablemates forced a fast early pace (fastest of the day) which adversely affected the favourite and designated leader Lillemor, and conversely favoured the eventual winner and runner up.

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« 2020-Jul-26, 10:34 PM Reply #522 »


CW is in business,


........ it is a business that shouts 'integrity' but commercially sustained by the option of connections  'getting one ready' against the known form ... administrators willingness to inflate fields with 'any comer' with no 'quality control' filter requiring 'nominations' to be even apparently credible...... let alone the substitution of 'paying for 10th'  when nomination fees were once required as an indication of 'skin in the game'.

..... the business of racing is corrupted ..... administratively, institutionally........ it is on the skids.

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« 2020-Sep-07, 08:00 PM Reply #523 »


Getting one ready: a smokey in the Humidor

No question about it ......Chris Waller is doing things that no other trainer can ............. he can get one ready.

The racing media can say nothing bar applauding another 'magnificent training performance' ........... the previous trainer of Humidor ......... had a big feed of humble-pie thinly disguised as a shit sandwich.

I have warned about the risk in early-spring 'black' races, horses apparently on the way out can be readied for an out-of-form performance...and never win another race

CW is no the only one that can 'get one ready' ........... astonishingly no one knows how and when he (or anyone else) does it ....... some knew well that Humidor was smoking .................ran out the back ........went through them like a packet of salts in good time.

That 'there is nothing wrong with this' is part of the problem the racing industry faces ............... a legion of quaddie punters was cleaned out on Saturday when the Humidor was set alight........... and the 'theft' was applauded.

......it happened a few months back when 'how the Wu Gok did that happen' .......and we were nearly Wu-Goked again on Saturday with an on-pace performance that defied its 'not first up and heavy only' record.

.... and then there is the problem of 'inflated fields' .....like race three at the Vale of Tears  .....15 immature 3yros over 1500m .....the leader won ......the F4 paid $35,000..........

That race, and Humidor, were the two races that Monty 'missed' ........and the punters were left speechless.

..........RVL has some work to do to protect the image of integrity that it claims to present to punters.

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« 2020-Sep-08, 09:50 AM Reply #524 »
Slow Learner,

You had the 'form'' from Wu Gok that Waller does this on occasion and a simple check back in time shows Waller has got plenty of first up winners at nice odds.

Instead of complaining why not take advantage?

Fours


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