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Offline Gintara

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« 2018-Oct-21, 12:08 PM Reply #375 »
Well, Peter

For starters why not ask the previous poster, Gintara?

I've always thought he was a bloke who was probably up to no good.

Ouch JWH!   :lol:

I'll have to remember to leave off the balaclava when looking through the early markets  :dry:

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« 2018-Oct-21, 12:35 PM Reply #376 »
High Bridge Slow to begin. Stewards opened an in inquiry into the disappointing performance of the gelding which was beaten 10L. Rider J Collett reported his instructions were to be slightly forward of midfield if possible. He said that after commencing well and when established in a midfield position his mount failed to travel throughout the early stages of the event and as result he elected to allow Invictus Prince to take up a position in advance of his mount which resulted in High Bridge racing towards the rear of the field. He said that with the quicker than average tempo in the early stages his mount continued to not travel, and he was obliged on a number of occasion to make some use of the gelding to hold its position at the rear of the field. He added that entering the back straight, although the tempo eased he was still obliged to encourage his mount to maintain the rearward position so as he would not lose touch with the leading division, but from this point High Bridge raced disappointingly and failed to race in a competitive manner.
 A post-race veterinary examination revealed the gelding to be slow to recover. Trainer representative Mr C Duckworth advised that High Bridge had pleased the stable since running in The Metropolitan on 29 September 2018 and had worked well which included a gallop on Tuesday 16 October when ridden by J McDonald. He added that rider J McDonald had advised the stable the gallop had been encouraging, and he expected the horse to be competitive today.

He stated that whilst Exoteric had pleased the stable coming into today's race it was not expected it would finish in advance of High Bridge. The concerning betting fluctuations, which revealed High Bridge drift significantly in the market and the stablemate and Exoteric (winner) firm, were brought to the attention of Mr Duckworth however was unable to provide any assistance in this regard. He indicated the stable's view was that High Bridge was the better credentialed of the two runners and that Exoteric would find it difficult to finish in advance of High Bridge given their recent form.

Mr Duckworth advised that in all likelihood given today's performance High Bridge would now be spelled but undertook to report back to the Stewards if those plans change at which time Stewards would  consider if any embargo should be placed on the gelding.

The Stewards adjourned the inquiry to enable further investigation in respect to the betting on the event. Exoteric Stewards have permitted T Berry to ride the gelding 0.5kg over its allotted weight of 53kg

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« 2018-Oct-21, 01:03 PM Reply #377 »
Was it just me  :what: I had some doubts over the Metrop form of High Bridge. The winner hasn't set the world on fire and did it with a feather weight while the 3rd horse isn't much either.

I was on the winner - missed the good price  :shutup: ) after being on in the Port Cup, where I did get the top price  :icecream:

Port Cup was a strong race this year and was the race to follow. Obvious to anyone who follows NSW racing. Social Element, 3rd in the Port Cup, was 2nd yesterday.

The horse in question is a hurdler isn't it? Send it down south for the Cup Day Hurdle. Might sharpen it up a bit  :bulb:

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« 2018-Oct-22, 08:01 AM Reply #378 »
As Max Presnell points out in today's Herald no-one would be that surprised that Exoteric won the race it was the performance of High Bridge that is a major concern.

Max describes the horse as looking like he was pulling an anchor while it looked to me that he had been 'nobbled'....do they still nobble horses these days?  :lol:

A week after spending millions of dollars to entice 'a new breed of punters' to the the track, on the first day they are confronted with some classic Wallerism.....bit of tough love there boys!

Interesting the word Wallerism has now been included in the Oxford Dictionary ......the synonyms and antonyms are amusing   :lol:

The disturbing part is with the two country horses only running around for appearance money and with High Bridge rendered ineffective it became a six horse race.

jfc's Kelly Criterion comes to mind.

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« 2018-Oct-22, 09:19 AM Reply #379 »
As Max Presnell points out in today's Herald no-one would be that surprised that Exoteric won the race it was the performance of High Bridge that is a major concern.

Max describes the horse as looking like he was pulling an anchor while it looked to me that he had been 'nobbled'....do they still nobble horses these days?  :lol:

A week after spending millions of dollars to entice 'a new breed of punters' to the the track, on the first day they are confronted with some classic Wallerism.....bit of tough love there boys!

Interesting the word Wallerism has now been included in the Oxford Dictionary ......the synonyms and antonyms are amusing   :lol:

The disturbing part is with the two country horses only running around for appearance money and with High Bridge rendered ineffective it became a six horse race.

jfc's Kelly Criterion comes to mind.

Is there a word in that Oxford dictionary for "an obsession with Chris Waller"?

High Bridge was reported to be "slow to recover".

The stewards opened an inquiry and no doubt will deal with your observation it "looked to be nobbled" (did it have some mucous coming out of it's mouth or something? I must have missed that). The stewards themselves noted the betting irregularities. The amount of time devoted to High Bridge in the stewards report was significant and no doubt they will investigate. I'd rather wait for them to report back with things like lab results than go on your gut feeling that it was nobbled.

Just on Big Blue, did anyone pick up the contradiction provided by the rider to the stewards?

In one sentence he says:

"He said that leaving the 2000m when Cosmologist was steadied by its rider S Weatherley, he elected to allow Big Blue to stride forward and lead bearing in mind the gelding was back in distance today and he felt it was in its best interest to ensure the race was a true staying test."

In the next sentence Adam H. says:

"He added that after working to the lead near the 1600m he was able to reduce the tempo significantly in the middle stages whereby Big Blue obtained an uncontested lead throughout that stage of the race."

So if he wants to make it a true staying test why is he reducing the tempo once he gets to the lead  :what:

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« 2018-Oct-22, 09:28 AM Reply #380 »
Just on the Metrop form, the runner up finished second in Melbourne to the MC favourite Yucatan.

I think it was a very poor run by High Bridge and horses do go off. The stewards are more concerned about the betting drift and bad performance.

If there was a betting drift but he finishes in the placing, there would be no lengthy query. Solid in betting and poor performance would warrant a vet certificate and some questions. The combo is the issue.

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« 2018-Oct-22, 09:41 AM Reply #381 »
Serious question :

What has Chris Waller done or what does he do that enables him to get so many horses and have so many runners?

Just wondering how a stable becomes so dominant in terms of numbers in Sydney.


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« 2018-Oct-22, 09:48 AM Reply #382 »
Serious question :

What has Chris Waller done or what does he do that enables him to get so many horses and have so many runners?

Just wondering how a stable becomes so dominant in terms of numbers in Sydney.

How do his numbers compare with Darren Weir's?

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« 2018-Oct-22, 09:54 AM Reply #383 »
Does Chris Waller have more horses in work than Darren Weir?

I'm guessing not. Weir has around half a dozen in at Stawell today and you never see Waller with half a dozen in at Newcastle or Kembla let alone the NSW equivalent of Stawell.


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« 2018-Oct-22, 09:55 AM Reply #384 »
And does he have more in work than Godolphin?

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« 2018-Oct-22, 10:09 AM Reply #385 »
Geez, I give up.





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« 2018-Oct-22, 10:14 AM Reply #386 »
Weir and Waller have a lot of horses and unlike Cummings, they have a multitude of owners to deals with too.

I doubt if all 3 of them would know each horse intimately but that is expected. I doubt the CEO of a bank knowing all their staff compared to a small credit union.

I also doubt if any of the 3 trainers work 38 hour weeks and even if you double those hours, I think we may be off a bit.

Waller and Weir also do a lot of media and try to keep owners, staff etc happy. Not everyone will be happy with them as they do have big numbers and feel it should be shared around.

Owners choose trainers and if Waller and Weir were not looking after them, they would be losing horses and staff in a hurry.

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« 2018-Oct-22, 10:34 AM Reply #387 »
Geez, I give up.

I think it is a bit cheaper training out of Rosehill and Warwick Farm so they can probably accommodate larger numbers.

Also he did pioneer bringing Euro horses out here to be syndicated.

But the obvious one to me is that he is a good trainer.   :biggrin:

He seems to be more like Bart than TJ in that he uses racing to get his horses fit rather than trackwork and trials. He doesn't have the best sprinters and specializes in 1600m plus.

The dearth of stayers in Sydney would also have something to do with it.

My best guess.


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« 2018-Oct-22, 01:19 PM Reply #388 »
Serious question :

What has Chris Waller done or what does he do that enables him to get so many horses and have so many runners?

Just wondering how a stable becomes so dominant in terms of numbers in Sydney.

I'd say success breeds success Wenona. Why wouldn't you want your horse trained by the bloke winning the premiership, not to mention the guy with Winx in his stable.

Similar to story with Weir who I also believe doesn't knock back a horse, they will give anything a go that walks off the truck.

Good luck to them I say.

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« 2018-Oct-22, 01:26 PM Reply #389 »
Does Chris Waller have more horses in work than Darren Weir?

I'm guessing not. Weir has around half a dozen in at Stawell today and you never see Waller with half a dozen in at Newcastle or Kembla let alone the NSW equivalent of Stawell.

According to the Racing New South Wales web site, this is the number of horses the various trainers have on their books at this moment:

Darren Weir                571

David Hayes et al         454

James Cummings        390

Chris Waller                 339

Gai Waterhouse/a Bolt   267


All I did was use the NSW web site which lists each trainer's horses.


As I have been studying the Waller horses since the start of this season I know his number is pretty accurate - I haven't looked closely at the others but I suspect they would be close to the mark.

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« 2018-Oct-28, 12:36 PM Reply #390 »
Yet another stable roughie gets up today. She's Clean beats favourite Berrimilla.

Must be a way to make a buck here  :chin:
You seemed to be on the right track 6 1/2 years ago PP7.....nearly!

R5 yesterday's edition of the Waller Stakes proves don't do the form just let the late market tell you.

The official flucs conceal what really happens.......I took note of the 9 am prices.
Naval Warfare was $26 out to $31, Zourkhan was $2.6 out to $4.00, Abdon was $6.50 in to $5.50 but the money horse Instant De Reve was $10.00 into $6.5.

While Instant De Reve only came 2nd he had no trouble holding off the early fav Zourkhan.

Any one who had taken the early odds about Zourkhan would have been nervous a couple of minutes prior to the jump.


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« 2018-Oct-28, 07:02 PM Reply #391 »
You seemed to be on the right track 6 1/2 years ago PP7.....nearly!

R5 yesterday's edition of the Waller Stakes proves don't do the form just let the late market tell you.

The official flucs conceal what really happens.......I took note of the 9 am prices.
Naval Warfare was $26 out to $31, Zourkhan was $2.6 out to $4.00, Abdon was $6.50 in to $5.50 but the money horse Instant De Reve was $10.00 into $6.5.

While Instant De Reve only came 2nd he had no trouble holding off the early fav Zourkhan.

Any one who had taken the early odds about Zourkhan would have been nervous a couple of minutes prior to the jump.

I cannot begin to tell you how it makes my heart sing to see my words of wisdom from 6.5 years ago quoted by you nemesis.

Given you are going through every one of my posts over (at least) the past 6.5 years would you mind quoting other pearls of wisdom written and posted by me on this forum thanks mate   emthup

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« 2018-Oct-28, 09:39 PM Reply #392 »
I cannot begin to tell you how it makes my heart sing to see my words of wisdom from 6.5 years ago quoted by you nemesis.

Given you are going through every one of my posts over (at least) the past 6.5 years would you mind quoting other pearls of wisdom written and posted by me on this forum thanks mate    emthup
I'll get back to you on that one.....can't seem to find any at the moment.

It doesn't mean that there aren't anymore there.....might just take a while!   :lol:

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« 2018-Oct-29, 09:33 AM Reply #393 »
I'll get back to you on that one.....can't seem to find any at the moment.

It doesn't mean that there aren't anymore there.....might just take a while!   :lol:

Don't worry about it.

There's none.

I've been reading this bloke for nigh on twenty years on this and the previous forum  and yet to stumble upon one.


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« 2018-Oct-29, 09:43 AM Reply #394 »
Don't worry about it.

There's none.

I've been reading this bloke for nigh on twenty years on this and the previous forum  and yet to stumble upon one.

Some of my best stuff is on The Pride Of The League thread  ;)

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« 2018-Oct-31, 04:23 PM Reply #395 »
Waller is 9 short of racking up a hundred G1 winners. Even if you take away Winx, he has not done too badly.

I think TJ and Bart may have won a few more as they ended up on 282 and 266. Some records do not include Bart's G1s with James so I left it at 266 as even with them they are below TJ.




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