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« 2019-Aug-15, 05:40 PM Reply #425 »
According to the preview, Arcadia Queen will goto the Eagle while Enticing may go to Melbourne.

Arcadia is the favourite for the Eagle with the Tab so if she is out, others are value. I also doubt if Mystic Journey and Verry Elegant will head here if they do well in Melbourne or run in the Cox plate.

Also no mention of Ringerdingding too in his preview so I wonder if he is with another stable or injured.

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« 2019-Aug-15, 06:37 PM Reply #426 »
 Ringerdingding with Anthony Freedman

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« 2019-Aug-15, 07:54 PM Reply #427 »
Ringerdingding with Anthony Freedman

Thanks. He was quite good last spring. Wonder how he will go with Anthony.

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« 2019-Aug-16, 06:56 AM Reply #428 »
I wonder why the change

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« 2019-Aug-18, 11:19 AM Reply #429 »
Once again the Waller camp were easily able to rip off punters yesterday.

Firstly it is no big surprise that Girl Tuesday was able to win nor was it a big surprise that a son of Ocean Park in Seaway didn't win on very firm ground.

It was the performances relative to the betting that would surely have anyone with a piece of brain asking themselves why you put your hard earned on any Waller runner in the early markets?

Seaway eventually eased from around $3.00 to $7.00 and plenty of people seemed to know something.....looked like he was there to create a market.

Not only is Chris Waller not challenged by the stewards but the after race chat with Greg Radley was far too cosy and considering Seaway looked to be in some distress after the race surely he deserved at least a mention.

Still I suppose that Waller was able to get one up at a price for 'Singo' is all good for their relationship but never mind his relationship with punters.

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« 2019-Aug-18, 11:38 AM Reply #430 »
He's a Kiwi.

Nothing should surprise.    :biggrin:   :biggrin:  

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« 2019-Aug-18, 01:11 PM Reply #431 »
That was not the biggest turnaround by a Waller runner in the past few weeks. Hogmanay and Torajoy over the last two weeks standout.

I donít think anyone has issues with form reversals if riding patterns were the same and Torajoy when winning in Sydney led throughout. His losses including yesterday were racing off the pace.

I am a Waller fan but I hate backing him when he has multiple runners as too many choices and the wrong choice burns you.

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« 2019-Aug-18, 07:07 PM Reply #432 »
Hogmanay backed up the form today at Taree  :icecream:

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« 2019-Aug-18, 08:57 PM Reply #433 »
Hogmanay backed up the form today at Taree  :icecream:

So did I as he only had one runner.

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« 2019-Oct-05, 07:06 PM Reply #434 »
It was a great performance from Waller today. 6 winners on Epsom Day and the Turnbull stakes winner too.

I had my doubts after Winx if he would reach double figures for G1 winners again for awhile. However he has already notched up 5 with individual horses.

Funstar looked the only G1 winner from his 5 so far that can be a multiple G1 winner unless the others improve again.

He has good chances in most of the big races but racing is a fickle business.


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« 2019-Nov-15, 09:14 AM Reply #435 »
Is there anybody here that understands the physiology of a horse that can explain to me what is going on with Patrick Erin?......I mean to say, poor horse!

6 weeks ago is beaten out of sight and reported to have suffered heart arrhythmia.
Trials a week later....a week on is beaten a length or so in the Metrop (good run).......runs well in the St Ledger a fortnight later but then is again beaten out of sight in Hotham Stakes. 
(Slow recovery according to the stewards report)

Runs in the Zipping Classic tomorrow......anybody want to offer up an opinion on how he might run?

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« 2019-Nov-15, 08:30 PM Reply #436 »
Nem, maybe theyíre just like us. Some days you just canít be stuffed doing it

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« 2019-Nov-16, 12:06 PM Reply #437 »
Waller stayers are unpredictable at times unless they are top class. Many of them have only couple of good campaigns in them.

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« 2019-Nov-18, 09:17 PM Reply #438 »
Is there anybody here that understands the physiology of a horse that can explain to me what is going on with Patrick Erin?......I mean to say, poor horse!

6 weeks ago is beaten out of sight and reported to have suffered heart arrhythmia.
Trials a week later....a week on is beaten a length or so in the Metrop (good run).......runs well in the St Ledger a fortnight later but then is again beaten out of sight in Hotham Stakes. 
(Slow recovery according to the stewards report)

Runs in the Zipping Classic tomorrow......anybody want to offer up an opinion on how he might run?

Waller stayers are unpredictable at times unless they are top class. Many of them have only couple of good campaigns in them.

Little conspiracy theory going on here fellas?

Care to share?

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« 2019-Nov-18, 09:39 PM Reply #439 »
Little conspiracy theory going on here fellas?

Care to share?

Read the form of overseas stayers. They usually donít have long campaigns in Europe. In Australia, it is a different story so the consistency is not there for prolonged periods. Most do well and not just talking about Waller horses.

Lloyd Williams, Kris Lees, OTI Racing have the same issues. Most of the o/s runners need big spaces of time between runs. They also usually run well fresh.

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« 2019-Nov-18, 10:03 PM Reply #440 »
Read the form of overseas stayers. They usually donít have long campaigns in Europe. In Australia, it is a different story so the consistency is not there for prolonged periods. Most do well and not just talking about Waller horses.

Lloyd Williams, Kris Lees, OTI Racing have the same issues. Most of the o/s runners need big spaces of time between runs. They also usually run well fresh.

So you are saying that Waller, Williams and Lees are training them the wrong way.

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« 2019-Nov-19, 06:32 AM Reply #441 »
So you are saying that Waller, Williams and Lees are training them the wrong way.

Not really. Donít forget when most of the imports come here they are mostly 4-5 so they donít have much racing at the top level left.

If you look at our racing, majority of our own bred horses have only 2-3 years of racing if they are lucky. There are the odd exceptions but they usually finish their racing in the country or provincial circuits.

Even our sprinters rarely extend their 2 year old form and same could be said for the 3yos. That is if not shuttled to the breeding barn too.

I would be intrigued if some of our top trainers get European 2yos and 3yos and aim at our staying races from a younger age than when getting them at 4-5 years.

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« 2019-Nov-19, 06:35 AM Reply #442 »
Little conspiracy theory going on here fellas?

Care to share?
I can't speak for Jeunes although I'd say his 2 season assessment in general would be pretty accurate.

Patrick Erin was a remarkably consistent horse when he arrived at Waller's stable from NZ....over all distances and on all surfaces .......not so now.

I would hope that C Waller, as a open user and strong proponent of the drug Lasix has read about the side affects from long term use.

He surely would have........wouldn't he?

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« 2019-Nov-19, 07:40 AM Reply #443 »
Little conspiracy theory going on here fellas?

Care to share?
Why don't you offer up something constructive on the subject instead of trying to stir.

I happen to like Patrick Erin.....he looked to me one of those very honest, hard trying horses whose courage can only be admired.

If you have an explanation for his recent beaten margins  of 27.5, 1.3, 2.7, 28.7 and 5.6 lengths then offer it up!

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« 2019-Nov-19, 08:43 AM Reply #444 »
Why don't you offer up something constructive on the subject instead of trying to stir.

I happen to like Patrick Erin.....he looked to me one of those very honest, hard trying horses whose courage can only be admired.

If you have an explanation for his recent beaten margins  of 27.5, 1.3, 2.7, 28.7 and 5.6 lengths then offer it up!

Geez being asked to offer up something "constructive" by you  :shutup:

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Here's something constructive. Why don't you follow another sport if everything you have to offer as comment on the sport is negative.  :bulb:

On Patrick Erin.

His 20+ length defeats have been on rain affected going.

His previous 2 runs to the ones you quote on rain affected going he was beaten 11.7 lengths and 21.4 lengths.

Over to you to either:

i) Use one single counter example to dismiss all those rain affected runs or
ii) if that fails, insult me

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« 2019-Nov-19, 08:53 AM Reply #445 »
And once again you demonstrate what a total dope you are!

Patrick Erin.....Soft tracks 15 starts ......5 wins and 4 placings.

Over to you Positive Pete's Pen 7 = dope.

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« 2019-Nov-19, 08:54 AM Reply #446 »
Read the form of overseas stayers. They usually donít have long campaigns in Europe. In Australia, it is a different story so the consistency is not there for prolonged periods. Most do well and not just talking about Waller horses.

Lloyd Williams, Kris Lees, OTI Racing have the same issues. Most of the o/s runners need big spaces of time between runs. They also usually run well fresh.

Where's Authorized when you need him?

He's the one expert on how horses should be trained.   :biggrin:

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« 2019-Nov-19, 08:59 AM Reply #447 »

Over to you to either:

ii) if that fails, insult me



Over to you Positive Pete's Pen 7 = dope.

  :lol:

You guys need to be counselled by jfc on how to really insult someone.........


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« 2019-Nov-19, 09:02 AM Reply #448 »
Where's Authorized when you need him?

He's the one expert on how horses should be trained.   :biggrin:

I would have no hesitation in sending a stayer to Auth to be trained.

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« 2019-Nov-19, 09:26 AM Reply #449 »
    :lol:  

You guys need to be counselled by jfc on how to really insult someone.........
You do leave yourself wide open.

In a grown up world I would like an explanation around 'heart arrhythmia' and 'slow recovery' which were the reasons put up by the stewards when he was spaced.

I do take some notice of South Island horses in NZ and there are not too many Gallant Guru's that don't enjoy soft tracks.

I was looking something a bit more.......probably beyond your capability!

I did take something from the 2 campaign theory, so thanks Jeunes.
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