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« 2021-May-10, 08:46 AM Reply #600 »
Oh no. Chris Wallers poster boy, Bob Baffert, has had his 2021 Kentucky Derby winner throw up a positive.

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« 2021-May-29, 07:57 PM Reply #601 »
Waller adds another G1 win to his season’s tally with his Qld Derby quinella of Kukeracha and Senor Toba.

Waller also has multiple chances in the Oaks and will be chasing his 16th G1.

Waller unlike TJ, Bart, Gai, Hayes and Lee Freedman is yet to win all 4 majors (MC, CC, Slipper and Cox Plate).


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« 2021-Oct-03, 07:38 AM Reply #602 »
Not the best of days for the Waller man yesterday.

Very poor reflection on the stable watching Star Of The Seas floundering out the back.
Yet another heart arrhythmia......can cause permanent damage to the heart.
This a week after Kolding was out the back struggling as well with a heart that wouldn't function properly....tough watching this in high class horses.

That's the 3rd Ocean Park from that yard and I'm not even counting.
Seaway had his 2nd heart arrhythmia straight after a spell and was promptly retired!....poor fellow.

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« 2021-Oct-03, 09:37 AM Reply #603 »
Why don't you tell us what he's doing wrong instead of dancing around with shady insinuations?

 :shutup:


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« 2021-Oct-03, 09:51 AM Reply #604 »
There is no  "shady insinuation"
C Waller uses lasix ...a potent diuretic......like many of this country's "leading trainers"
The industry allows it.....all you have to do is present your horse under a very generous threshold on raceday.
Shouldn't be that hard for a fast working diuretic.

People on diuretics need to have their blood monitored regularly.
Obviously can't be good for any athlete to have your blood depleted.
I was one on those weird people you would see running up and down all the steep hills in the area.
I wouldn't touch a diuretic ever and certainly never before a race......it's dangerous.   emthup  
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« 2021-Oct-03, 08:51 PM Reply #605 »
Why don't you tell us what he's doing wrong instead of dancing around with shady insinuations?

 :shutup:

He tells us all his conspiracy theories without any evidence.

He tells us how much he had on a winner after the race (that used to be barred on the old forum).

Now he was a champion runner.   :lol:

God bless the anonymity of the internet  :wacko:

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« 2021-Oct-03, 09:07 PM Reply #606 »
What causes atrial fibrillation in horses? An underlying heart disease with atrial enlargement can lead to A-Fib, but most cases occur in horses with structurally normal hearts. There are some medical issues that have been known to cause atrial fibrillation, including potassium depletion due to furosemide (Lasix), colic, and excessive sweating.
Atrial Fibrillation in Horses » Large Animal Hospital .

There's some evidence.....plenty, plenty more!

Certainly no champion runner.....b-grade club runner at best!
Did break 56 minutes for City to Surf......that's sub 4 minute km rate....reasonable enough!.


You can always counter my Lasix statements with some facts of your own.
Just straight out bad for horses!.....now show me otherwise.

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« 2021-Oct-04, 07:48 AM Reply #607 »
Just on my running ability.....I did read once that you could only call yourself a "runner" if you could run 10 miles in a hour.
That is 6 minute miles....10 times......give it a try!

The Parramatta open was a yearly event....3 1\2 times around Parramatta park.
Have to find the certificates but 1 hr.03 minutes was my best.....so not quite a "runner".

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« 2021-Oct-04, 08:37 AM Reply #608 »
Not the best of days for the Waller man yesterday.

Very poor reflection on the stable watching Star Of The Seas floundering out the back.
Yet another heart arrhythmia......can cause permanent damage to the heart.
This a week after Kolding was out the back struggling as well with a heart that wouldn't function properly....tough watching this in high class horses.

That's the 3rd Ocean Park from that yard and I'm not even counting.
Seaway had his 2nd heart arrhythmia straight after a spell and was promptly retired!....poor fellow.

Well it looks like you are counting.

Does it show up more simply because Waller has more runners?

What's the number of horses who return with heart arrhythmia vs actual runners? Is the Waller stable above the average number?

You might be onto something but unless you factor in anything like this what you say really means nothing, you just come across as an anonymous rocker thrower with an axe to grind against a stable.

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« 2021-Oct-04, 09:04 AM Reply #609 »

You might be onto something but unless you factor in anything like this what you say really means nothing, you just come across as an anonymous rocker thrower with an axe to grind against a stable.
That might be how I come across to you.....I'm fine with that.
I read your efforts on The Final Race thread.....strewth!

So 2 of Waller's horses tail right out the back in GR 1 races and  "nothing to see here"
You can bet RNSW would be horrified and if Neville Nobody's horses did this in front of the world, someone would be having a word in his ear.

Lasix, furosemide or frusemide.....call it what you like......it's no good for horses.
How could it be?......fluids are vital for an athlete.
C Waller's not the only one using it......google a few leading trainers name with lasix and see yourself!

Anyway She's All Class had a lung bleed on Saturday......like I say Lasix is a shit product and can't even stop what it's supposed to be good for!

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« 2021-Oct-04, 09:43 AM Reply #610 »

Certainly no champion runner.....b-grade club runner at best!
Did break 56 minutes for City to Surf......that's sub 4 minute km rate....reasonable enough!.

You can always counter my Lasix statements with some facts of your own.
Just straight out bad for horses!.....now show me otherwise.

No I'd like to see youir certificate for the City to Surf........

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« 2021-Oct-04, 10:05 AM Reply #611 »
Don't go too far away....it's coming!

Need a bit of help from my wife.

I didn't even qualify for a preferred start......55.48 minutes.....so reasonable enough, aye?

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« 2021-Oct-04, 10:16 AM Reply #612 »


There you go.

I did run the 11 km from Sutherland to Wanda in 41mins......do you want to see that as well.
Your neck of the woods, isn't it?
Thanks for the memories  emthup

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« 2021-Oct-04, 10:18 AM Reply #613 »
Don't go too far away....it's coming!

Need a bit of help from my wife.

I didn't even qualify for a preferred start......55.48 minutes.....so reasonable enough, aye?

That is a damn good effort. You lose minutes too with the start.  8-)

I was considered a sloth in my young days so endurance running was a step too far.   :lol:

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« 2021-Oct-04, 10:30 AM Reply #614 »
Typical - Look over there response.   :lol:

What I take from that is you have no evidence or stats to back up any of the piss and wind you're posting.  :shutup:


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« 2021-Oct-04, 10:33 AM Reply #615 »
That is a damn good effort. You lose minutes too with the start.  8-)

I was considered a sloth in my young days so endurance running was a step too far.    :lol:
I nearly threw all my certificates out one day Jeunes.

I'm glad I didn't.

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« 2021-Oct-05, 03:06 AM Reply #616 »
I nearly threw all my certificates out one day Jeunes.

I'm glad I didn't.

Well done.

And also was signed by David Hickie - of Gentlemen Of The Australian Turf fame.

You need to hit the road more nemesis and less keyboard gymnastics  ;)

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« 2021-Oct-05, 07:55 AM Reply #617 »
It's like everything in our lives.....the body can only stand so much......running, alcohol, even diuretics.
I do miss running..
I still have my mountain bike and my horizontal bar....200 chin ups a week.  emthup

Back on topic ......all the evidence about lasix is in front of our eyes.
What should alarm punters is that when Seaway had his first heart shaker he went $3 to $7.
The 2nd time he went $12 to $20+......someone seems to know something.
I liked Seaway so I was watching....but it's in the form guide.

I care about racehorses.....I love them and I've found I like writing about them.  emthup

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« 2021-Oct-10, 06:20 AM Reply #618 »
RACE 8: Moet & Chandon Spring Champion Stakes 2000m:
Head Of State – Near the 1200m became awkward on the heels of Raging Bull when that
runner shifted in to take cover behind Alegron. A post-race veterinary examination revealed
the colt, which raced in a disappointing manner, to be displaying cardiac arrhythmia. As this
was the second occasion in the preceding 12 months that the colt had displayed cardiac
arrhythmia, trainer Mr C. Waller was advised that a veterinary clearance, including the results
of an ECG, ultrasound and troponin test, will be required before Head Of State barrier trials
to the satisfaction of the Stewards.
Ends

Look at this.....beaten 36 lengths......requires little comment.
How sad this is for this for this young colt.....2nd heart arrhythmia in 8 starts....how painful this must be.

Such  a poor reflection on all involved and Sydney racing Stewards not at all that perturbed.........3rd week in a row in Group 1 race. emthdown
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« 2021-Oct-10, 08:36 AM Reply #619 »
nemisis,

Starting to look like a pattern with the stable.

Could a virus be doing this rather than the training regime and treatments given? Animals catch Covid by the way ( have not heard that horses catch it but dogs cats and deer are on the list and many others ) and it can cause heart issues.

I remember Bart saying that some horses he took on simply could not handle the training he put them to - results wise and improvement wise anyway.

Fours


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« 2021-Oct-10, 09:29 AM Reply #620 »
Interesting Glenn Pollettt put out before the race he thought Head Of State looked terrible and in a poor state in the ring.

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« 2021-Oct-10, 09:29 AM Reply #621 »
Rest assured fours, it's not a virus.

Heart arrhythmia can only be caused by one of three things......unfit horse.....these aren't unfit horses!
Defective heart......can't be that.....these are winning horses.
Can only be electrolytes completely out of whack.......electrolytes are so very vital for an athlete!

How does the racing industry allow such widespread use of Lasix?.....the "daddy" of the diuretics.....makes me sick!

If you refer back to comment 435 on this thread.....that is when I started "looking'
Poor Patrick Erin :sad:
I truly had no idea before that.....was just suspicious!

Anyway I've now learnt what a "troponin" test is......looking to see if the heart is permanently damaged!

What has happened to this once great game?  :thumbsd:

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« 2021-Oct-10, 12:11 PM Reply #622 »
nemisis,

Tried emailing the stewards with your concerns given the mounting evidence recently?

Maybe they will do something about it rather then let the animal activists create a fuss down the road.

Fours

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« 2021-Oct-16, 05:39 PM Reply #623 »
Chris Walker……..Australian Racing’s equivalent of Bob Baffert

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« 2021-Oct-16, 06:16 PM Reply #624 »
Chris Walker……..Australian Racing’s equivalent of Bob Baffert

Predictive text🤦‍♂️………..C. Waller


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