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O.P. « 2017-Dec-11, 07:44 PM »
Caulfield trainer Tony Vasil banned from entering horses
By James Lamb 7 hours ago
Stewards want to speak with Tony Vasil Image: Getty
Caulfield-based trainer Tony Vasil has been banned from entering any of his horses in races until he appears before Racing Victoria stewards.

Racing.com reported on Monday that Vasil has been called to front officials in relation to the ongoing Lovani inquiry but has failed to make an appearance.

Raceday treatment investigation continues

"We've interviewed various people, but Tony has been unable to come on more than one occasion and that's why stewards have taken that approach," RV Deputy Chairman of Stewards Robert Cram told Racing.com.

"Others have been invited to appear and have attended."

Vasil, formerly of the Aquanita Racing set-up at Caulfield that includes trainers Robert Smerdon and John Sadler, has just six runners in his care after taking a lengthy break from racing back in 2014.

Vasil is best known for training star gallopers Elvstroem and Haradasun.

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« 2017-Dec-12, 03:11 PM Reply #1 »

The 'heart' of racing. Does it really exist?

The 'heart' of racing. does it really exist?

Craig Tompson

Most racing participants know of A J (Tony) Vasil. Leading apprentice, highly successful trainer both here and abroad, largely through the deeds of Elvstroem and Haradasun, but also Marstic, Super Elegant, Irish Darling, Lucky Secret, Under the Louvre and others.

Maybe not as well known outside his immediate circle is his long time battle with depression, which culminated in him taking a three year sabbatical from training a big team. He returned to the game he loves, and the only job he knows, about 18 months ago with a handful of horses.

A year ago he suffered the tragic loss of his elder son. At the time he confided to friends that he needed the horses to keep him going, albeit it is an ongoing struggle.

Recently he was summoned to the Lovani inquiry. He consulted his physician who advised stewards he was unfit to attend for two weeks. This week he was again summoned to appear before stewards and again his physician advised stewards he was unfit to attend for a further 4 weeks.

Following is the initial corrrespondence from Racing Victoria’s chief steward Terry Bailey and after that the legal correspondence from Minter Elison informing Vasil that, as of yesterday (Monday Decemeber 11) any nominations from his stable would not be accepted.

 

 
 
 
 
 

Last month was the first anniversary of the death of James Vasil and the week before would have been his birthday, but that seems to matter little to officialdom. Given the action contained in the letter from Bailey, and rather than suffer further humiliation with stewards, having already provided them with a professional opinion, and given what they already know, Tony has been coerced into taking a backward move from his role and will hand over the training of his small team to Nick Ryan while he deals with personal matters.

The important thing is the physicians advice and not just refusing to front as they suggest, and the standover of taking his license away regardless because they say he can’t be relied upon at a race meeting. There’d be more trainers not at the races than in attendance these days and there have been others represent Tony Vasil on raceday in recent times but the powers that be are just standing over him now. 

He will keep riding trackwork and play a support role where possible because ‘he needs his horses’.

Racing Victoria already have a long running bullying case with a licensed female but it seems as though some people just don’t learn.


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« 2017-Dec-12, 04:01 PM Reply #2 »
Authourised,

He cant have it both ways ----

If he cant front up for one thing than he cant front up for another.

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« 2017-Dec-12, 04:11 PM Reply #3 »
Authourised,

He cant have it both ways ----

If he cant front up for one thing than he cant front up for another.

Fours

I tend to agree, But it is a touchy subject and possibly needs to be handled with kid gloves in todays climate.


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« 2017-Dec-12, 04:20 PM Reply #4 »
Well it makes very sad reading for me as it would for anyone I imagine, who has a family member  suffering from mental illness.

In his heyday, I thought if I ever  owned a horse Tony Vasil would be my choice of trainer.

While not his best horse I will always remember Super Elegant.
Very good and very underrated, just the sort of horse it's worthwhile following.

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« 2017-Dec-12, 05:45 PM Reply #5 »
Just one question. Why hasn't Gintara posted support for the Vasil predicament ? You could be sure Nemisis and Authorized would get on the band wagon and plead the Vasil case. These are the two that thinks its fine for their hero "LLoyd" to do what he likes so why not old Tony as well. According to these wise minds we should get rid of all these silly licensing requirements altogether.

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« 2017-Dec-12, 06:24 PM Reply #6 »
Just one question. Why hasn't Gintara posted support for the Vasil predicament ? You could be sure Nemisis and Authorized would get on the band wagon and plead the Vasil case. These are the two that thinks its fine for their hero "LLoyd" to do what he likes so why not old Tony as well. According to these wise minds we should get rid of all these silly licensing requirements altogether.

YOU are a dimwitted fool.

I am on the Stewards side on this issue, However believe they should tread carefully. That is beyond your comprehension.

 

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« 2017-Dec-12, 07:33 PM Reply #7 »
If it is within your comprehension then it goes without saying it is within mine. I'll bet the Stewards are thrilled to have you on board. Puts a whole new spectre to that old Racing term " Dead Weight "

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« 2017-Dec-12, 07:38 PM Reply #8 »
Do you ever disagree with somebody in a civilised manner ?

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« 2017-Dec-12, 08:02 PM Reply #9 »
Who called someone a " dimwitted fool" or do you need to phone a friend ?

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« 2017-Dec-12, 08:11 PM Reply #10 »
There is nothing civilised about your constant antagonistic responses.

My fault for stooping to your level.

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« 2017-Dec-12, 08:13 PM Reply #11 »
Just one question. Why hasn't Gintara posted support for the Vasil predicament ? You could be sure Nemisis and Authorized would get on the band wagon and plead the Vasil case. These are the two that thinks its fine for their hero "LLoyd" to do what he likes so why not old Tony as well. According to these wise minds we should get rid of all these silly licensing requirements altogether.

Why were our 3 monikers bought up ?

Why didn't you just post your own view ?




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« 2017-Dec-12, 08:52 PM Reply #12 »
Look for whatever particular reason the " logic "you guys espouse reminds me so much of the Three Stooges. In other words it is not clever enough to be compared to the Marx Brothers.

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« 2017-Dec-12, 09:26 PM Reply #13 »
Why are the lawyers allowed to "not" sign their letters. How come that letter is signed "Minter Ellison"  and then someone's scribble below it.

Typical f. lawyers eh? Smart arses to the hilt. Tony Vasil's name gets dragged through the mud but the smart mouthed overpaid lawyer at Minter Ellison is allowed to remain anonymous.

He has been a great trainer and my favourites were Elvis and Super Elegant. Hope he gets over his sadness and can make it back to training horses.   emthup

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« 2017-Dec-13, 08:32 AM Reply #14 »
Surely some consideration could have been given to Vasil.

If a trainer gets banged up in hospital after a car accident and the doc advises that the trainer can't attend a enquiry into the performance of his runner at the meeting from which he was driving will stewards refuse future noms of his stable runners?

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« 2017-Dec-15, 03:26 PM Reply #15 »
Is there a chance The stewards may have something on him and that's why they are playing hardball?

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« 2018-Feb-01, 06:32 PM Reply #16 »
RV to hold prize money won by trainer
Posted by: AAP+ at 5:43pm on 1/2/2018
Posted in: Horse Racing News
   
Trainer Tony Vasil can continue to race his horses in Victoria after stewards considered submissions on his behalf in the ongoing inquiry into race day treatments.

A condition of Vasil continuing to train is that his prize money percentage earned from February 1 is to be held by Racing Victoria until the final determination of the charge laid against him, including any appeals.

Vasil agreed that if he is found not guilty the prize money held will be distributed while if found guilty the prize money held by RV will be forfeited.

He is one of eight licensed or registered people under the former Aquanita banner charged last month following investigations sparked by the case of alleged race day treatment to the Robert Smerdon-trained Lovani.

The Caulfield trainer faces one charge that on seven occasions between December 26, 2010 and June 7, 2013 he engaged in a practice that was dishonest, corrupt or fraudulent, improper or dishonest, in that he was a party to the administration of alkalinising agents or medications to a horse or horses on a race day.

Vasil was issued a show-cause notice by stewards on January 12 as to why he should be allowed to continue training.

On Thursday, stewards accepted the undertakings of Vasil, in the current circumstances, as he is training a limited number of horses and has provided detailed medical evidence as to the mental illness he continues to suffer.

Stewards also informed Vasil that pending the hearing and determination of the charge, his stable will be subject to higher than normal levels of scrutiny.

Queensland trainer Liam Birchley, who has also been charged, has agreed not to start any horses in Victoria until the inquiry and subsequent result.

A directions hearing involving those charged, including Smerdon and Stuart Webb who have stood down from training duties, will be held by the Racing Appeals and Disciplinary Board on Tuesday.ENDS

These alleged contraventions go back to 2010 you would think there has to be some point where the statute of limitations under common law kicks in ..how would any of us go defending something that is alleged to be 8 years old? :o


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« 2018-Feb-01, 07:29 PM Reply #17 »
Just one question. Why hasn't Gintara posted support for the Vasil predicament ? You could be sure Nemisis and Authorized would get on the band wagon and plead the Vasil case. These are the two that thinks its fine for their hero "LLoyd" to do what he likes so why not old Tony as well. According to these wise minds we should get rid of all these silly licensing requirements altogether.

having only just read this but how you can link these two together is beyond me  :what:


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